Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on November 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

[C]ould the Romney campaign have done more to make their guy likable when it counted?

I’ve heard a few theories on this from people who either covered the campaign from the outside or were close with those who ran it from the inside. The most widespread explanation is that the campaign made a deliberate decision to limit the resources spent selling Romney-the-man. The thinking was that they couldn’t beat the president on likability in any event, and were better served by selling Romney, to paraphrase Ramesh Ponnuru, as a robot programmed to create jobs. A second, less obvious but perhaps more intriguing, theory is that leading with an account of Romney’s good deeds would have entailed delving deeply into the weeds of Mormonism (because, for example, much of Romney’s personal kindnesses came in his capacity as a church leader, and much of his charitable donations came in the form of tithing) and that this would have opened a whole new can of invertebrates that the campaign wasn’t eager to deal with.

One or both may well be true, and, combined with Romney’s apparent constitutional incapability to pat himself on the back for being a decent human being, they may have made the cuddlization of Romney a dubious strategy. But it isn’t as if the campaign worked to keep the stories secret. It did what it could, in convention testimonials, in YouTube ads, and in the mouths of surrogates (not least Paul Ryan in the nationally televised VP debate, though his boosterism was lost in the vice president’s Nicholsonesque cackling), to spread the word. But it was not preponderating.

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The messy aftermath of his failure suggests that Romney, a political amalgam with no natural constituency beyond the business community, is unlikely to play a significant role in rebuilding his party, many Republicans said this week.

“He’s not going to be running for anything in the future,” said Rep. Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho), who sharply criticized Romney’s comments about Hispanics. “He’s not our standard-bearer, unfortunately.”

Romney adviser Stuart Stevens strongly disagreed, calling Romney “the most popular Republican on the national scene at the moment,” given the votes he received on Election Day. Views of defeated candidates can change dramatically over time, Stevens added.

“Even those who have been critical of the campaign on our side realize in the end that Governor Romney was resonating with millions of Americans and was running the kind of campaign we could all be proud of,” Stevens said.

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In the countless hours I spent in Romney’s presence during his first White House run (and mostly from a greater distance during his second bid), I saw a man who was preternaturally upbeat, well-meaning, and kind to just about everyone he encountered, friends and strangers alike.

But I also saw a candidate who seemed by nature almost uniquely ill-equipped to appeal to the young and minority voters who ended up playing a key role in his electoral demise.

Members of the press who traveled with Romney in 2007 and early 2008 began slowly to pick up on what would become an established media narrative by the time Romney was the 2012 front-runner: The former Massachusetts governor didn’t just have a difficult time relating to young and minority voters, he often came across as a walking-talking time warp from the 1950s…

Romney’s overall argument was that he would make the economy better for everyone. But he steadfastly refused to take the next step and make his case on a narrower level, convincing critical demographic groups that he would specifically improve their lives and their communities.

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Romney is being erased with record speed from his party’s books for three reasons. First, many Republicans backed him because they thought he had a good chance of winning; that appeal, obviously, is gone. Second, Romney had shallow roots, and few friends, in the national Republican Party. And those shallow roots have allowed Republicans to give him a new role: As a sort of bad partisan bank, freighted with all the generational positions and postures that they are looking to dump.

“Romney is now a toxic asset to unload,” the historian Jack Bohrer remarked Saturday. “The only interesting thing left to his story is how they dispose of him.”…

There is an irony that Romney, the moderate, will be forced to carry off Todd Akin’s baggage on reproductive rights; Joe Arpaio’s on immigration; and James Dobson on gay rights. But when he cast popular policies as “gifts” to Obama voters (ignoring both his and Obama’s expensive promises to older voters), his decision to, as Bobby Jindal put it, “insult” the demographic groups who are a larger part of each successive electorate offered the Republicans the pivot they had been looking for toward presenting a younger, more diverse, and more inclusive party.

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“If we want people to like us, we have to like them first. And you don’t start to like people by insulting them and saying their votes were bought,” Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, chairman of the Republican Governors Association, told the “Fox News Sunday” program…

Jindal said: “We need to make it very clear – we’re not the party trying to protect the rich. They can protect themselves. We are the party that wants growth, pro-growth policies.”

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, vice chairman of the Republican Governors Association, also called for a more inclusive message from Republicans…

“We have to show that we are serious about reaching out and helping everyone, not just a group here, not just a group there,” Walker added.

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In 2008, Republicans again preached the gospel of Rove and his allies—Ed Gillespie, Dana Perino, and basically everyone tied to American Crossroads. They told us that only John McCain could defeat this amateur, Barack Obama. Obama was too liberal for the electorate, they said. He had too much baggage. The country liked the Bush administration’s approach more than the “biased” polls let on. McCain was a perfect nominee because he was not an ideologue. (At one point after his loss to Bush in 2000, McCain even flirted with being a Democrat.) This guy was back and forth on so many issues that nobody was ever certain where he might land. That made him an ideal candidate to reach out to moderates and independents. Say, any of that sound familiar?

In 2012, these same people came back again, as overconfident and unchastened as ever. This time, they had most of the right-wing media on their side, regurgitating their views and attitudes to the exclusion of all others. Mitt Romney was the perfect candidate to stop Obama—so much so that anyone who got in his way was immediately attacked and marginalized. Rove used his perch as an “analyst” on Fox News to personally attack not only Newt Gingrich (who I worked for), but Herman Cain, and Sarah Palin, and Rick Perry, and Jon Huntsman, and on and on. So what if Mitt Romney once berated the Republican Party, the Reagan administration, pro-lifers, and the religious right—in other words, his own party’s base. Republicans needed him to win…

When I worked with Rove briefly at the White House, I found him to be a smart, energetic, capable man. Maybe more than I even realized. In the past two election cycles, he and his acolytes have personally helped Barack Obama get elected and yet made millions in the process. You tell me who the dummy is—Rove or the people who keep listening to him and funding him. Come to think of it, who really deserves the blame for what’s befallen the GOP?

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What unites all of these stories is the growing failure of America’s local associations — civic, familial, religious — to foster stability, encourage solidarity and make mobility possible.

This is a crisis that the Republican Party often badly misunderstands, casting Democratic-leaning voters as lazy moochers or spoiled children seeking “gifts” (as a certain former Republican presidential nominee would have it) rather than recognizing the reality of their economic struggles.

But if conservatives don’t acknowledge the crisis’s economic component, liberalism often seems indifferent to its deeper social roots. The progressive bias toward the capital-F Future, the old left-wing suspicion of faith and domesticity, the fact that Democrats have benefited politically from these trends — all of this makes it easy for liberals to just celebrate the emerging America, to minimize the costs of disrupted families and hollowed-out communities, and to treat the places where Americans have traditionally found solidarity outside the state (like the churches threatened by the Obama White House’s contraceptive mandate) as irritants or threats.

This is a great flaw in the liberal vision, because whatever role government plays in prosperity, transfer payments are not a sufficient foundation for middle-class success.

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However much despair the election results have caused me, and however much I resisted Mitt in the primaries for a (far) more conservative/libertarian candidate, still I come away from the election admiring Mitt immensely, far more than before, perhaps mainly because I know him better. He had the near perfect track record for our time, and the near pristine integrity, with the promise of making the USA another turn-around, largely with his energy policy. But the man, for whatever reason, chose not to take the fight to Obama, not to put the fight in his face, even while Obama relentlessly was taking the fight to him. And for that, we all pay.

petefrt on November 18, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I think Perry would have put up a damn good fight. No one would have accused him of going soft on Obama. That being said, I don’t know if he was any more ‘electable’ than anyone else. There is a lot of hatred out there right now towards Texas. There is a lot of hatred out there toward capable, hardworking, successful people.

The sad, bitter truth is that a platform of envy and baby killin’ won this election.

bitsy on November 18, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Perry’s problem was not Texas, it was his own debate performances.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I’m trying to eat dinner here, I did not need that image in my head.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:09 PM

ROTFLMAO…. Hey, you can thank me latter… It’s the newest extreme diet, think about that, and you won’t eat again for weeks… ;p

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Because third party candidates are a sure recipe for a Democrat win. I’ve seen it happen twice here in Minnesota.

gophergirl on November 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Unless the GOP figures it out it’s going to be hard slogging. Rather hard slog for conservatism. They’ve had two elections to figure it out and here they are abusing the same old chicken.

And yes, I’d normally agree with you, but imho it’s time to lose with grace.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:08 PM

OMG. KP? No cure for that. Seems like these fools just spew to get media attention–hey look at me–and dollars and throw principles to the wind.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:13 PM

but imho it’s time to lose with grace.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Losing with grace is for sporting events and spelling bee’s, not your countries future.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I think the HA Trollcott needs to be extended until 2016. There are some nasty little invertebrates lurking around here trying to stir up trouble and set us against each other.

bitsy on November 18, 2012 at 9:11 PM

…yep!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM

b. painting another Wirlygig.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Bmore is Vollis Simpson?

bettycooper on November 18, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Since people seem to be talking about Perry.

He actually had a really decent shot, but, didn’t prepare himself properly for the debates. One gaffe wouldn’t have been a big deal, even two or three modest gaffes wouldn’t have ruined his chances. As the debate wore on however, the gaffes just kept getting worse.

By the end of it, he was in laughing stock territory. That may not be fair, but its the world we live in.

Also, seems like Perry’s approval has largely recovered since then. There were a few polls that had his approval in state down to, uh, horrible levels. People don’t like thinking their election officials are laughing stocks.

WolvenOne on November 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Not sure but he is prolly

a. eating Peach Cobbler
b. painting another Wirlygig.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I’m not sure about that. Have you been to the forest lately? :(

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Bmore is Vollis Simpson?

bettycooper on November 18, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Wow! Look at that whirligig!

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM

OMG. KP? No cure for that. Seems like these fools just spew to get media attention–hey look at me–and dollars and throw principles to the wind.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:13 PM

It’s life in the beltway/NYC corridor. They all start to think they’re smarter than the rest of us after a while.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:16 PM

MittBot 2008: McCain lost because Palin was a drag on the ticket.

MittBot 2012: Mitt lost but we can find fault with him because its totally unknown why we lost. Its a complicated question and so we can’t blame Mitt.

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 8:56 PM

This PO’d Palinista is not going to blame Romney for being Romney.

This PO’d Palinista is going to blame the GOP for not learning anything from 2008 and it seems nothing from 2012 if the last week or so is any indication.

Yes, let’s go give the media, the same media that has lied and covered up for the past 4 (and soon to be 8) years and give them more ammunition. Idiots.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

You mean the man who gave Team O the blueprint for Bain attacks?

Nice.

blatantblue on November 18, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I thought Newt did that.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

I still like Ann Coulter. Mostly.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

There are probably Establishment types tonight who are still going, “But they liked him so much in 2008! How can a mere four years change so much?”

Romney was spectacular—in 2008. Then McCain picked Palin, and conservatives found a better standard-bearer. Then the Tea Party happened, and conservatives rebelled against the Establishment. Then 0bamacare passed, deliberately modeled on the Massachusetts plan in part to head Romney off at the pass. Then Texas became a leader in the anti-0bama resistance, and Rick Perry came out of nowhere. And then… and then….

I was hopeful he was overcoming this. I even sent money. He couldn’t overcome it. The lesson here is not to judge an election four years in advance.

Sekhmet on November 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I still blame the people that voted for Obama for Obama’s election. Mostly.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Romney adviser Stuart Stevens strongly disagreed, calling Romney “the most popular Republican on the national scene at the moment,” given the votes he received on Election Day. Views of defeated candidates can change dramatically over time, Stevens added.

“Even those who have been critical of the campaign on our side realize in the end that Governor Romney was resonating with millions of Americans and was running the kind of campaign we could all be proud of,” Stevens said.

Stu Stevens’ “consulting” business drying up all of a sudden?

Wethal on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I still blame the people that voted for Obama for Obama’s election. Mostly.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Screw that, I calling outright voter fraud.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

The way Rubio, Jindal, Christie et al. are talking, I’m already depressed about the next election. We really need to mine the country for fresh, dynamic, conservative alternatives to these guys. Let’s not get stuck with inevitable candidates again that the GOP and MSM tell are our options.

Change the f*****g primary process too, while we’re at it. Randomize which states go first, or something.

Dongemaharu on November 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Kudos to Obama. He owns the cowardly gop.

The republican party is dead nationally.

We, effectively, have ONE PARTY RULE in the United States.

Long live the only party that FIGHTS for what it believes in.

Viva the Communist Democrats!!

PappyD61 on November 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Losing with grace is for sporting events and spelling bee’s, not your countries future.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM

You know what I mean.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

This PO’d Palinista is going to blame the GOP for not learning anything from 2008 and it seems nothing from 2012 if the last week or so is any indication.

Yes, let’s go give the media, the same media that has lied and covered up for the past 4 (and soon to be 8) years and give them more ammunition. Idiots.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

+1

I’m all for a true constitutional third party. I’m all in if it happens. Sure we’ll lose early and often, maybe even always, but I’m willing to go down with a ship I can believe in. GOP has betrayed me for the last time.

The GOP will continue to betray you.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

yepper. I wonder what Coulter was/is thinking?

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:08 PM

What happened to my book sales???

Resist We Much on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Well, the repubs that I have the most respect for are the ones
keeping their mouths shut about what they think went wrong in
the Romney election re should have, shouldn’t have, would have, wouldn’t have, etc.

Gosh, I am sick of political morons. And since they are the only ones bloviating, they are the cause of my gigantic headache.

Amjean on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I’m a Palin supporter and so have no part in the Romney train wreck that any honest and asture observer of American politics and the rise of the Left could and should have seen coming miles and years in advance.

The stupidity of the GOP has now slipped into the category of irredeemable imbecility. To not understand what the Left has been doing all these years and to not prepare a candidate and at least a plan of battle for what is now their blindingly obvious and vicious stratagems cannot be forgiven, should not be forgiven.

To complete the humiliation and descent into political retardation and irrelevance (does the descent have a bottom?), they are now internalizing the lessons of this defeat as yet more cause for moderation, accommodation and ideological dilution. If this weren’t the GOP, I’d say “you’ve got to fuc*ing kidding me.”

The totality of Romney’s and the GOP’s weakness and delusion and unfitness for war against Obama and the Left is still sinking in. I didn’t think it was possible that politically experienced human beings organized around the premises and intentions that the Republican party claims to be could respond so pathetically to the material fact of a Barack Obama working his black magic under their noses for four years. I knew they’d be pathetic, just not this pathetic. I now fully expect these fatally hopeless fools to outdo themselves as they prepare for 2016.

rrpjr on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I still blame the people that voted for Obama for Obama’s election. Mostly.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I don’t blame 0bama or the morons who voted for him (again) because the real people responsible are the sycophants in propaganda ministry who have been working 24/7 on his behalf since at least 2007. He really couldn’t have done it w/o them.

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

The GOP will continue to betray you.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

GOPCOTT hehe

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’m willing to go down with a ship I can believe in. GOP has betrayed me for the last time.

The GOP will continue to betray you.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Yup… Me too…

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Romney could have run against Romneycare and Obamacare simply by saying, “The states are the laboratories of democracy, and some experiments don’t work out. The MA plan only exists now because of massive federal subsidies. It won’t work on a national level. We tried, but it is not working.”

But his ego wouldn’t let him.

Wethal on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I posted this one late on the fiscal cliff thread, but here is a smattering of the Obysmal constituency. Talk about the coarsening of our culture and the attitude of accepting freeloading:

Yes, indeed Obysmal won by growing the gifts. Take it from these gurrlz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII
NSFW

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

These autopsies on the 2012 election have become so tedious, so boring, and so entirely devoid of anything even approaching THE TRUTH. Romney was a fine candidate, and would have been a far better president than the national embarrassment we have now. And Romney was absolutely correct, the national embarrassment promised voters free shit, promised voters an excuse their own failures — failure to buy homes they could afford, failure to save for their old age, failure to raise children who could someday be productive, failure to spend their college loan money on degrees that lead to employment. We are a welfare state. We’ll be an even bigger one in four years. THAT is why the national embarrassment was re-elected. And THAT is why a democrat will be elected in 2016. And 2020. And 2024. Zero’s legacy will be that he taught the welfare class how to vote, and then expanded the welfare class into the lower middle class. They’ll be voting for their free shit, now, until the day they die. They will never, ever, ever, ever vote for a Republican, unless the GOP becomes the welfare party. Which it will. It will just argue for “a little less” welfare. And they won’t vote for that either.

The GOP didn’t fail at “messaging,” because the only message 51%+ of voters want to hear is where they apply for free federal shit and how they get out of paying their mortgages. They should be ashamed of themselves. Shame was an essential factor in holding back the welfare state. But that shame is gone, replaced with an arrogant, unyielding, government-induced sense of entitlement. It will only get worse. Fascists need their mobs, so they’ll have them. What they can’t get handed to them by the government, they’ll eventually take by brute force, with full support and cooperation from the government. We’ve seen this before. We know how it ends.

Rational Thought on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Screw that, I calling outright voter fraud.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

There’s certainly something odd with the numbers. Allen West is still out there trying to get his sorted out. Hopefully he’ll keep going.

As for the GOP, not a peep.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Change the f*****g primary process too, while we’re at it. Randomize which states go first, or something.

Dongemaharu on November 18, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I think Resist is two steps ahead of you and already started the work. :)

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/09/you-heard-it-here-first-senator-tim.html

I just can’t make myself do it yet. I want to make snowmen and buy a plant.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I thought Newt did that.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

It was Newt with his “When Mitt Romney/Bain Came To Town” documentary that he bought for mega dollars.

Rick Perry jumped on the bandwagon with “vulture capitalism”.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I think the HA Trollcott needs to be extended until 2016.

bitsy on November 18, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Yes. You need some more of that echo chamber unskewing polls, predicting a landslide for the GOPe mannequin of the moment, and lashing out at ‘nistas, Paultards, purists, socons…while calling them O-bots, OFA ops, OWSers, dirty commie bastiges and the like. I mean you guys were so spot-on, it was scary.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:25 PM

As for the GOP, not a peep.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Nor a peep out of any of our conservative so called “Professional Bloggers“, like cozmo, they are all playing it “Safe“.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Justice Roberts is the ultimate rino traitor.
Next in line is Chris Christie.
Then Bobby Jindal for bashing Romney.
Even Scott Walker, my hero, let me down.
What are they thinking?!? Blacks, hispanics, muslims, single women will ALWAYS vote democratic….yes, get over it, they want the free stuff.
& that rino on the weekly standard, Billy boy Kristol for saying, raise taxes, not a problem.
What’s the probability that Obama will get a 3rd term?

Sickening what the establishment GOP did to Allen West, who will lose because of redistricting.

Even more disgusting is Alan Grayson, potty mouth, equal opportunity hater, getting re-elected.

Top it off with Pocahontas going to Washington. Right up there with the brilliant Harry Reid, & Chucky Schumer.

No need to ever vote again. Because even if you do, good chance it won’t count.

The country has gone off the cliff. How to lift my despair so I may stay in the real world?

Belle on November 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The Bad News Bears do Politics, country circles the drain.

Cindy Munford on November 18, 2012 at 9:27 PM

because the real people responsible are the sycophants in propaganda ministry who have been working 24/7 on his behalf since at least 2007. He really couldn’t have done it w/o them.

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I’d put them in the bucket with the voters. Other than that — I can go with “sycophants in propaganda ministry” without hesitation. :)

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I can go with “sycophants in propaganda ministry” without hesitation. :)

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I find “Fifth Column Treasonous Media” to be a more accurate description…

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

These autopsies on the 2012 election have become so tedious, so boring, and so entirely devoid of anything even approaching THE TRUTH. Romney was a fine candidate…

Rational Thought on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

LOL. If you can handle the truth, read the recent pieces by Andrew McCarthy and Matt Latimer. What you want is for everyone to dump the blame on the voters when they were presented with little in the way of a stark choice. That isn’t “truth”, that’s just more of the same delusional swill you ‘bots were pumping non-stop before November 6.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Playing it safe. That has proven itself a winner now for two cycles.

AshleyTKing on November 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

As for the GOP, not a peep.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Nor a peep out of any of our conservative so called “Professional Bloggers“, like cozmo, they are all playing it “Safe“.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I think Gateway Pundit has had a few posts, but anything is with smaller bloggers, not the “names”. They’re too worried about their reputations instead of reporting what’s going on out there.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Rational Thought on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

You are right…and let’s just see how that 50.6% likes the guy in four years.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

And yet here they all are picking over the carcass of Romney in order to attempt to ingratiate themselves to a media that will at the first opportunity knife them in the back.

This is why I don’t think these clowns will ever figure it out.

They don’t deserve our support. Don’t give it.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 8:35 PM

YES.

I agree. It’s long past time to move on and to try to figure out where to go from here and it needs to be someone (or some entity) outside the two echo chambers, the GOPe and the Dems. It’s obvious to everyone except them that they are two sides of the same coin because there’s never any pushback, never any differentiation, never any realistic and workable solutions to the damaging polices that are killing this country.

It sure says to me that the GOPe really doesn’t want anything to change because (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) they are benefiting somehow, even as they are getting trashed in public by the Dems. It’s all an act – I’m convinced of it. If the GOPe were really interested in facing down the Dems, they’d be out there articulating how things could be much better because of their policies. But I do think it’s as Rush says: both the GOPe and the Dems hate Conservatism more than they hate each other, which is why, I suppose, there’s always such lame responses from the GOPe to Dem attacks. Well, at least we know who the real enemies are.

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

I find “Fifth Column Treasonous Media” to be a more accurate description…

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

That works too. :)

Need to have a call for best new descriptive name for the LSM, but somebody would wind up getting banned. Kinda like MadCon ejecting himself from the Green Room.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I think Gateway Pundit has had a few posts, but anything is with smaller bloggers, not the “names”. They’re too worried about their reputations instead of reporting what’s going on out there.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Yup, in a disturbingly strange way I am starting to become proud of my being one of the little insignificant bloggers, rather than the sell out “Professional Bloggers”. Serious Question here… What if….

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

LOL. If you can handle the truth, read the recent pieces by Andrew McCarthy and Matt Latimer. What you want is for everyone to dump the blame on the voters when they were presented with little in the way of a stark choice. That isn’t “truth”, that’s just more of the same delusional swill you ‘bots were pumping non-stop before November 6.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Traitor…did you even bother to vote?

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Need to have a call for best new descriptive name for the LSM, but somebody would wind up getting banned. Kinda like MadCon ejecting himself from the Green Room.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Well I for one nominate “Fifth Column Treasonous Media” or FCTM for that title… ;p

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

LOL. If you can handle the truth, read the recent pieces by Andrew McCarthy and Matt Latimer. What you want is for everyone to dump the blame on the voters when they were presented with little in the way of a stark choice. That isn’t “truth”, that’s just more of the same delusional swill you ‘bots were pumping non-stop before November 6.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

You’re a bitter little one, aren’t you? They were presented with as much of a stark choice as they can handle. These are the same morons that thought their tampons were going to get banned and women were going to get locked in their homes and only allowed to make sammiches.

Romney actually pulled a little more right during the campaign than he was during the primary, which was a bit of a surprise.

Yes, they should have run a conservative. They didn’t.

We made do with what we had to work with.

Who should we have voted for? A name, please.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Obama ran a petty campaign of promising stupid people free shit. Romney ran a dignified campaign that was light on specifics but in its broad outlines at least raised the right issues that the country faces: deficits and entitlement reform. The fact that the candidate won who said voting is the best revenge is a huge indictment of how far we have fallen as a people. The Democrats have created a critical mass of moochers. Single mothers, enabled by endless welfare benes, have voted themselves more endless welfare benes.

Ted Torgerson on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Traitor…did you even bother to vote?

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Of course he did, he voted for Obama to stick it to the Republicans.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Well, from the looks of the traffic here, I think everyone has tuned out and moved on.

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Well, since some people here seem to be under the impression that every single voter in Florida voted for the boy king, I got tired of reading that I should eat sh*t and die, so I decided to refrain from commenting to keep from saying something I might regret.

As others have said, the whining, finger pointing and blame game has gotten tiring.

Plus I’ve had family in from out of town for an early Thanksgiving which has kept me busy for a few days.

This PO’d Palinista is not going to blame Romney for being Romney.

This PO’d Palinista is going to blame the GOP for not learning anything from 2008 and it seems nothing from 2012 if the last week or so is any indication.

Yes, let’s go give the media, the same media that has lied and covered up for the past 4 (and soon to be 8) years and give them more ammunition. Idiots.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

^This^

Flora Duh on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Nor a peep out of any of our conservative so called “Professional Bloggers“, like cozmo, they are all playing it “Safe“.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Playing it safe??? Like our very own Ed jumping on the amnesty bandwagon?

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The central problem with the Romney campaign is simpler.

In an election that should have been a referendum on Obama’s failed policies, we nominated Obama-lite and it became a contest of who people wanted at the helm of Leviathan – the Lightbringer or the Outsourcer.

Stupid, stupid mistake. A mistake the Republicans have now made two elections in a row.

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Amnesty? Sure that’s just what we need, more democratic voters. Bring ‘em in, open the flood gates. While you’re at it, bring in more middle easterners, especially busloads of Somalis.

Belle on November 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Rational Thought on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

There is a solution… We need to get 65% to 70% of the White Vote by strongly and continuously going after the Welfare State and those who are living in the Welfare State and sucking hundreds of billions of dollars each year from tax payers… The vast majority of Whites (65% to 70% of Whites) would be very well energized to vote against the Welfare State if we play this angle strongly and continuously… Also we should try to get at least 35% of the Latino vote… 70% of the White Vote and 35% of the Latino vote would put us around 52% to 53% of the total vote…

mnjg on November 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Romney could have run against Romneycare and Obamacare simply by saying, “The states are the laboratories of democracy, and some experiments don’t work out. The MA plan only exists now because of massive federal subsidies. It won’t work on a national level. We tried, but it is not working.”

But his ego wouldn’t let him.

Wethal on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Oh come on. Romney said over and over again that the program in Mass was a state program, it was not perfect, but it was passed on a state level with bipartisan support. He also said Obamacare was bad law…now give it a rest.

The truth is Americans were not as bothered by Obamacare as we thought they were…of course they have not actually had to live with it yet. My guess is once the layoffs, premium hikes and taxes kick in they will come to hate it..again.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Yup, in a disturbingly strange way I am starting to become proud of my being one of the little insignificant bloggers, rather than the sell out “Professional Bloggers”. Serious Question here… What if….

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Is that your blog? I’ve bookmarked it. Keep at it. Everyone started small once. :)

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

You didn’t happen to see this and this yesterday, did you?

I posted it originally in the thread about the bible publisher winning a third injunction against Obamacare.

My blood is still boiling over it.

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Playing it safe??? Like our very own Ed jumping on the amnesty bandwagon?

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Well, Ed doesn’t count. He’s a nice enough fellow, but he never was a conservative, he is a Moderate with liberal tendencies, amnesty, pro gay marriage… yada yada yada. Ed will never take a daring or risky position on anything.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Traitor…did you even bother to vote?

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Of course he did, he voted for Obama to stick it to the Republicans.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nmose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what us “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I think Christie ruined his chance with the GOP when he embraced obaka and bragged over him.

ladyingray on November 18, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Actually the Fatman has done lots of things to ruin y=his chance with the GOP:
- gun control
- amnesty
- Islam
- Everything except fiscal policy and abortion

bw222 on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

You didn’t happen to see this and this yesterday, did you?

I posted it originally in the thread about the bible publisher winning a third injunction against Obamacare.

My blood is still boiling over it.

PatriotGal2257 on November 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

As it should be, the GOP betrayed it’s base.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

there is a lot of truth in these comments.

1. seriously, we have to increase taxes hugely on anyone above 150K. Professors, wall streeters, et al. need to feel the pain…a lot of it. A socialist welfare state is expensive…witness this

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/021967.html#comments

Rs have protected people from their own behavior…barry want 3.5T spending…then taxes need to be 3.5T…don’t nickel and dime this. The chi-coms aren’t going to be around forever. The Fed buys 70 percent of our debt.

the whole thing is a shell game…start taxing the top 20 percent heavily…and the top 10 percent more heavily…and so on. Lift the cap on the SS taxes.

if people want to live in southern europe then go for it. Breitbart says the culture comes first…i agree. Change the culture…tax the brains out of the media/entertainment people.

I don’t want a two tier society…with the rich and entertainment class to be unified…and the rest of us barely able to move out of the way of their speeding convos of SUV Escalades

r keller on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Playing it safe??? Like our very own Ed jumping on the amnesty bandwagon?

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Ah. That’s not playing it safe, though. Or if it is, it’s playing it safe in a different way. Not asking the question because you can’t prove your suspicion is one thing; sticking your finger up into the wind to see which direction to sail is another.

Axe on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Playing it safe??? Like our very own Ed jumping on the amnesty bandwagon?

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

If I remember correctly Ed was never adverse to some compromise on this issue.

As long as immigration reform is an issue, Republicans lose. In the end the Democrats will probably pass something and get all the credit for it and nail down the hispanic vote the same way they have the black vote. It is not surprising that this worries Republicans.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

The GOP will continue to betray you.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

But the Dem Party will get you killed and blame it on a video..

Electrongod on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nmose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what us “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

dude… Go to hell.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I’m sick of the Kick Mitt crowd. I would rather have President Romney than the current occupants of the White House. Time to get off this and move forward. This was a close and painful election, but it’s time to let go.

The next 4 years will be incredibly trying for this country, and the party needs to help people work through it and prosper despite all of the efforts of the White House to wreck our dreams. Rock-throwing will not help.

Philly on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Rational Thought on November 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

THIS!

I am pretty disappointed by the Republicans right now.

vnohara on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Playing it safe??? Like our very own Ed jumping on the amnesty bandwagon?

JPeterman on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

You should really read this. It’s brutal but it’s also really accurate. Just read the sample pages available on Amazon. That’s enough to keep you up at night…

cynccook on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Ever notice that both Democrat and Republican ‘leaders’ are selected from the leftmost parts of the party?

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Playing it safe. That has proven itself a winner now for two cycles.

AshleyTKing on November 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

For Obama.

For McCain? No. He never challenged Obama on anything.

For Romney? He didn’t even really challenge Mr “Nice Guy, But In Over His Head” after the 1st debate. He totally let him go on Benghazi. His prevent defence succeeded only in preventing him from any possibility of winning.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nmose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what us “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Oh shut up. BTW, Sarah Palin supported amnesty when she was running with McCain…maybe you were too busy looking at her cute little butt to notice.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Well, since some people here seem to be under the impression that every single voter in Florida voted for the boy king, I got tired of reading that I should eat sh*t and die, so I decided to refrain from commenting to keep from saying something I might regret.

As others have said, the whining, finger pointing and blame game has gotten tiring.

Plus I’ve had family in from out of town for an early Thanksgiving which has kept me busy for a few days.

Flora Duh on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Hi Flora! Florida has some strange information coming out of it with respect to vote counts, etc. The latest thing I read was 900 Guatemalan (iirc) voters in a 7 registered voter district with respect to West. Of course, since info is so sparse it’s hard to say what’s going on.

No one here has said that you have they? It should be clear to everyone what your affiliation is. Glad you have some family in town – enjoy!

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Oops, let’s try that again:

Traitor…did you even bother to vote?

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Of course he did, he voted for Obama to stick it to the Republicans.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what WE “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what WE “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Like I said, go to hell.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Ever notice that both Democrat and Republican ‘leaders’ are selected from the leftmost parts of the party?

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I don’t think this is true. Here in Indiana we lost a Senate seat because of Mourdock who beat Lugar in the primary.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

btw, one the sda link you have to scroll up for the vid. watch the whole thing…to the end…both of the people are losers, not just the guy.

r keller on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

This was a close and painful election, but it’s time to let go.

The Republicans have made the same mistake twice in a row. It is not time to let it go – it is time to make sure the party understands that electing ‘moderates’ isn’t going to work. It has never worked in the long term, and the abject failure in the short term *should* be obvious now…but is apparently not.

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Well, Ed doesn’t count. He’s a nice enough fellow, but he never was a conservative, he is a Moderate with liberal tendencies, amnesty, pro gay marriage… yada yada yada. Ed will never take a daring or risky position on anything.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I could never figure out why they hired Ed at HA. He is an establishment Republican and his own blog, Captain’s Quarters, was no great shakes and wasn’t that conservative.

bw222 on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Romney could have run against Romneycare and Obamacare simply by saying, “The states are the laboratories of democracy, and some experiments don’t work out. The MA plan only exists now because of massive federal subsidies. It won’t work on a national level. We tried, but it is not working.”

But his ego wouldn’t let him.

Wethal on November 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

All he ever said was “I’ll repeal and replace” and even then it was just a handful of times. All he needed to do was pick the 5 most onerous provisions of the law and repeat them over and over and over; he would’ve gotten voters’ attention then. For example, I bet few people knew that the IRS will have access to your online bank account to monitor your activity or ding you for fees, mandates etc. The govt used to had to get a court order. No more. I wonder how many of those Ohio rust belters that stayed home may have gotten off the couch if they knew that. We’ll never know.

TxAnn56 on November 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Oh shut up. BTW, Sarah Palin supported amnesty when she was running with McCain…maybe you were too busy looking at her cute little butt to notice.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

So you liked Mitt’s tush better, huh.

dude… Go to hell.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Why, because I’m right? No one’s proven me wrong here yet.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

who gives a darn about Mittens anyway? He’s done running for office, he can tell the truth if he wants. It WAS free stuff. It WAS the 47% + voter fraud + white guilt.

People can handle the truth! Just not libs.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Nope. As I’ve said several times, I held my nmose and voted for Romney. You know, it’s what us “TrueCon ‘nista purist socon” bastiges usually do: vote for the GOP nominee. Unlike, say, nearly 60% of moderates who voted. They did, in fact, vote for Obama. Maybe you should try to win them over again next time, huh.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Then why are you taking it out on us? We’re fellow travelers who wanted ABR, but realized (like you apparently did with your vote) that it was the practical thing to do.

Why are you so angry at *us*?

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I don’t think this is true. Here in Indiana we lost a Senate seat because of Mourdock who beat Lugar in the primary.

The Republicans lost that Senate seat, and the one in MO, because they ceded the abortion issue to the Democrats.

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I don’t think this is true. Here in Indiana we lost a Senate seat because of Mourdock who beat Lugar in the primary.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

yeah, but isn’t Mourdock a lefty who’s also a SoCon whom can’t keep his mouth shut?

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I don’t think this is true. Here in Indiana we lost a Senate seat because of Mourdock who beat Lugar in the primary.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Didn’t know you were from Indiana. Lived in Elkhart once – the longest and dullest three years of my life.

bw222 on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I could never figure out why they hired Ed at HA. He is an establishment Republican and his own blog, Captain’s Quarters, was no great shakes and wasn’t that conservative.

bw222 on November 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

What is to figure out? They hired him because he had a proven track record in attracting eyeballs and was a good safe candidate to maintain HA’s business.

SWalker on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

For Romney? He didn’t even really challenge Mr “Nice Guy, But In Over His Head” after the 1st debate. He totally let him go on Benghazi. His prevent defence succeeded only in preventing him from any possibility of winning.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Oh I don’t know. I remember Romney bringing up Benghazi in that second debate and then he was tackled by the moderator. He also brought up the statement made by the State Dept after the riots in Egypt at the embassy and the media jumped all over him and ran interference for Obama…as usual. The truth is there has been so much confusion and misinformation about Benghazi thanks to the media’s refusal to do their job that Romney did not really have the information he needed to go after Obama on that.

Terrye on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

This is the kind of Post that shows everyone JUUUUUST how helpful Allahpundit is to the Conservative Movement……

Obama has helped MURDER Four Innocent Americans in Benghazi and he has been OVERSEEING an Effort that HE has Imposed on his Administration to LIE to the American People — and Obama has promised extra shower time with him to The Media to Promulgate the LIES……..should we Talk about THAT?

…..Nah!

Obama has led the American Economy to the WORST Productivity and Unemployment since 1929…..should we Talk about THAT?

….NAH!!

Obama has Nominated one of The Chief LIARS in his Benghazi MURDER scheme for a Cabinet Position and has OPENLY THREATENED ANY member of The Media or American who would as questions of her and initiated his operatives in Congress to engage in a Campaign of SCREAMING: “RAAAAAACIST!!!!! SEEEEEXIST!!!!” at EVERY Republican ALIVE……should be talk about THAT?!

—-NAAAAH!!

HEY – What if we CALL ROMNEY A RAAAACIST and Talk about how The Republican Party is RAAAACIST and that The Conservative Movement needs to TEAR ITSELF APART MORE and APOLOGIZE FOR BEING CONSERVATIVE?!!!

…..well Allahpundit says: “YEAH!!! THAT’S THE TICKET!!!!”

NOT helpful!!

williamg on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

No, Mourdock and Akin ran their mouths and ruined it.

wargamer6 on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I voted Romney, because holding my breath until I turned blue was not going to make Sarah Palin run (unlike what some folks here seem to think). WHen I give my opinion, I give it in earnest, in hopes someone reading this can give it the consideration it is due. I sincerely hope I am not part of the “Trollcot.”

Sekhmet on November 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

SoCons will continue to lose, period. The trends ain’t going their way.

And don’t give me the “no fiscal conservatism without social conservatism” nonsense.

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I don’t think this is true. Here in Indiana we lost a Senate seat because of Mourdock who beat Lugar in the primary.

The Republicans lost that Senate seat, and the one in MO, because they ceded the abortion issue to the Democrats.

18-1 on November 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

They lost because they didn’t have their talking points in order and forgot that the media lives to knife Rs in the back. If you are going to talk about something as polarizing and emotional as abortion have your crap together. That was a stupid rookie mistake.

Which is what they are doing this week with the Romney carcass feast.

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM

yeah, but isn’t Mourdock a lefty who’s also a SoCon whom can’t keep his mouth shut?

Slade73 on November 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mourdock a lefty? Don’t know where you get your info, but you should find some new sources.

bw222 on November 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Then why are you taking it out on us? We’re fellow travelers who wanted ABR, but realized (like you apparently did with your vote) that it was the practical thing to do.

Why are you so angry at *us*?

kim roy on November 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

“Anger”? I’m not the one telling people to gop to hell, or saying they support this or that politico simply because she has a nice ass. I’m just telling you what happened.

ddrintn on November 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I’m sick of the Kick Mitt crowd. I would rather have President Romney than the current occupants of the White House. Time to get off this and move forward. This was a close and painful election, but it’s time to let go.

The next 4 years will be incredibly trying for this country, and the party needs to help people work through it and prosper despite all of the efforts of the White House to wreck our dreams. Rock-throwing will not help.

Philly on November 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I voted for Mitt, but it was more because I desperately wanted to get rid of Obailout. Mitt was not my ideal candidate, but the others also had some shortcomings. Maybe I’m expecting too much, but I’m sticking with my post up thread. I’m ready for a third party. A constitutionally-based movement I can believe in. Short of finding that, I can’t see myself investing my time on supporting the “lets get along with the Democrats and not p!ss off the media party.” Enough already. And no more.

predator on November 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM

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