Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on November 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told lawmakers on Friday that classified intelligence reports revealed that the deadly assault on the American diplomatic mission in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups

“The points were not, as has been insinuated by some, edited to minimize the role of extremists, diminish terrorist affiliations, or play down that this was an attack,” said a senior official familiar with the drafting of the talking points. “There were legitimate intelligence and legal issues to consider, as is almost always the case when explaining classified assessments publicly.”

Some intelligence analysts worried, for instance, that identifying the groups could reveal that American spy services were eavesdropping on the militants — a fact most insurgents are already aware of. Justice Department lawyers expressed concern about jeopardizing the F.B.I.’s criminal inquiry in the attacks. Other officials voiced concern that making the names public, at least right away, would create a circular reporting loop and hamper efforts to trail the militants.

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.

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“[T]he only edit that was made by the White House and also by the State Department was to change the word ‘consulate’ to the word ‘diplomatic facility,’ since the facility in Benghazi was not formally a consulate,” Rhodes told reporters today during a press gaggle. “Other than that we were guided by the points that were provided by the intelligence community.”…

Asked why Rice’s talking points differed from Petraeus’ reported understanding of the assault, Rhodes put the blame back on the CIA.

“I can’t speak to what the process is within the CIA,” he said. “What I can say, though, is those points, and what Susan said is that we indicated we believed extremists were involved. The president himself called it an ‘act of terror,’ right?”

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The “hybrid” explanation is a compromise, of sorts, between two competing narratives. The first suggested that a protest against an anti-Islam film in Benghazi led to a “spontaneous” assault on the US consulate there. We know that version isn’t true because there never was any protest in Benghazi. The second narrative points to a terrorist attack. The weaponry involved in the assault, the sophistication of the operation and, most importantly, the involvement of al Qaeda-linked terrorists all buttress this second version.

While there was no film protest in Benghazi, however, there are reasons to suspect that the events in Egypt and Libya on Sept. 11 are linked. But that link isn’t an anti-Islam film. They are linked by the fact that known al Qaeda-affiliated individuals were directly involved in both

Let’s look at the key personalities involved in Cairo protest. The following four individuals attended the protest in front of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and helped to incite protesters.

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If Susan Rice “had nothing to do with Benghazi,” why then was she sent out to represent the administration in multiple television interviews five days after the attacks?

The charitable view: The White House wanted to see her in a high-profile position as something of a tryout for her possible appointment as secretary of state in a second term.

The less charitable view: Because Rice had no independent knowledge of what happened, she could be counted on to do nothing more than recite administration talking points. And because Rice had nothing to do with Ben­ghazi, there was no risk that she would disclose just how much of the intelligence pointed to a coordinated, planned al Qaeda attack on the U.S. facilities in Benghazi. Instead, Rice’s misleading talking points suggested that the deaths of four Americans in Libya came as a result of a political protest run amok—a narrative that was almost as thoroughly discredited when she delivered it as it is today…

Obama administration officials were not trying to provide an accurate picture of what happened in Benghazi on September 11. They were trying to obscure it. Notwithstanding the president’s claims to the contrary, it appears as if the goal of the White House in those early days was to hide the truth from the American people. That’s why you send out a spokesman who “had nothing to do with Benghazi.” It’s why you give her talking points that include a debunked story about a protest that never took place.

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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would have been the White House’s logical choice to discuss the chaotic events in the Middle East, but she was drained after a harrowing week, administration officials said. Even if she had not been consoling the families of those who died, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Mrs. Clinton steers clear of the Sunday shows.

So instead, Ms. Rice, the ambassador to the United Nations, delivered her now-infamous account of the episode. Reciting talking points supplied by intelligence agencies, she said that the Benghazi siege appeared to be a spontaneous protest rather than a premeditated terrorist attack. Within days, Republicans in Congress were calling for her head…

“Susan had a reputation, fairly or not, as someone who could run a little hot and shoot from the hip,” said John Norris, a foreign-policy expert at the Center for American Progress. “If someone had told me that the biggest knock on her was going to be that she too slavishly followed the talking points on Benghazi, I would have been shocked.”

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[T]he idea that Rice should be disqualified because of statements she made on television in the days after the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, strikes me as unfair. It seems pretty clear now that she based her statements on information the CIA provided at the time. That information proved erroneous, and why the CIA was giving faulty information to senior administration officials remains unclear. I haven’t seen persuasive evidence to support the theory that Rice’s statements were part of a coverup to hide a terrorist attack. The fact that Rice was working from information provided by the CIA would seem to undercut such a theory

With so many potential crises staring us in the face in 2013, the country doesn’t need a nasty fight over who said what when or a brutal confirmation battle that may result in a new secretary of state wounded from the start by a partisan Senate vote. It’s hard to see what national interest would be served by such a spectacle at a time when many around the world wonder whether the United States can get its act together.

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

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If Susan Rice “had nothing to do with Benghazi,” why then was she sent out to represent the administration in multiple television interviews five days after the attacks?

Quit bullying her you racist misogynists!!1!

Kataklysmic on November 17, 2012 at 8:32 PM

L’etat, c’est merde!

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 8:33 PM

L.i.B.

Oh wait..

They did.

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I forget. What am I supposed to say to Scrumpy?

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.

Well…of course not..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:36 PM

How many people watch BMaher? 10 including his family?

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

And the creator of the video is in prison to avoid tipping off the terrorists too, right?

Eren on November 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

This tyranny must be destroyed.

jawkneemusic on November 17, 2012 at 8:38 PM

I spent the afternoon blowing up pumpkins as part of a spontaneous, pre-planned protest against the “Halloween” movies.

Or, at least, that’s what my talking points provided by someone in the White House is saying the CIA told them.

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Who is laughing..

Al-Queda and the Democrats..

And our trolls..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would have been the White House’s logical choice to discuss the chaotic events in the Middle East, but she was drained after a harrowing week, administration officials said.

Drained? or did she drain a few knowing that her negligence on making the Benghazi consulate secure and well defended cost 4 Americans their lives?

Drained? and she wants to run for President in 2016?

She should have been the one in front of the cameras. She needed time to get her story straight and to get the next few months booked with travel.

journeyintothewhirlwind on November 17, 2012 at 8:41 PM

We are governed by a bunch of USA-Holes.

jawkneemusic on November 17, 2012 at 8:41 PM

the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups…

Oh sure, like they figured they wouldn’t get blamed even if it wasn’t them. Petraeus, like the others, is a paleontological liar who thinks you are completely stupid. Lies on top of lies to excuse the previous lies.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM

With so many potential crises staring us in the face in 2013, the country doesn’t need a nasty fight over who said what when or a brutal confirmation battle that may result in a new secretary of state wounded from the start by a partisan Senate vote. It’s hard to see what national interest would be served by such a spectacle at a time when many around the world wonder whether the United States can get its act together.

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.


Like …

… trying to sort out when and why the Middle East end up baked, fried, or extra crispy with green radioactive glass in spots?

Which , of course, will be something else that NO ONE is this administration is responsible for having let happened?

And will provide us with something else to gloss over?

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

…oh…comedian?

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM

“[T]he only edit that was made by the White House and also by the State Department was to change the word ‘consulate’ to the word ‘diplomatic facility,’ since the facility in Benghazi was not formally a consulate,” Rhodes told reporters today during a press gaggle. “Other than that we were guided by the points that were provided by the intelligence community.”…

Maybe I am naive..

But do we have a Department of Defense?

Are we at the mercy of the CIA when it comes to protecting our people abroad?

Who does AfriCom report to?

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

O‘bandoned in Benghazi — and good ol’ Joey Chompers.

All efforts to reign in or mitigate Democrats should be stopped immediately. No more ‘damage control’. No more common sense. No more fiscal responsibility. No more trying to assert our sensibilities in legislation and liberal agendas. Just. Stop. Now.

I say give Democrats free reign for the next two years until mid-term elections. For the next four years if they aren’t stupid enough to destroy their mid-term chances again over the next 24 months or so.

Two-Four years of Democrat free reign.

Let them do whatever it is they want to do without blocking or mitigating anything. Aside from letting them start WWIII or simply just allowing us to be destroyed and then taken over by foreign powers that is.

Democrats will self-immolate and do so much utterly devastating damage that we’ll never be under Democrat rule ever again. Sure — it’ll sting a lot of people — there will be suffering — including among the vast confederacy of Fools who’ve voted Obama the King of Fools and the Democrat party their Fool’s Court.

But it will teach this entire country a vividly real lesson it will never forget — at least not for another 236 years — give or take.

FlatFoot on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

paleontological liar who thinks you are completely stupid. Lies on top of lies to excuse the previous lies.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 8:44 PM


“I do not think that word means what you think it means.”

How about pathological, instead?

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would have been the White House’s logical choice to discuss the chaotic events in the Middle East, but she was drained after a harrowing week, administration officials said.

Guess what, I’m drained from listening to all of the bullsh!t lies coming out of this Regime.

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Oh..

And why did Ambassador Stevens send in weekly security reports to the State House?

What’s the point?

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

Can’t we all just get along?///

predator on November 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

The picture on the thread makes me think of the movie I just saw today.

Argo.
The best movie I have seen in a long time! Except for hearing Carter’s voice at the end talk about how they eventually got all of the hostage’s home.
I was walking out of the theater saying to my wife (much younger than me and not quite up to all the history)how Carter didn’t do a blasted thing. It was his fault they were taken hostage in the first place. A man behind me shouted “You must be remembering it the same way I am. I was in the Mrines at the time and that SOB didn’t do a d%* thing!

JellyToast on November 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

But it will teach this entire country a vividly real lesson it will never forget — at least not for another 236 years — give or take.

FlatFoot on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

L.i.B.

predator on November 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Notwithstanding the president’s claims to the contrary, it appears as if the goal of the White House in those early days was to hide the truth from the American people. That’s why you send out a spokesman who “had nothing to do with Benghazi.” It’s why you give her talking points that include a debunked story about a protest that never took place.

So alter the memo then send out a “yes girl” and basically tell us all to go to hell, right?? Is it any wonder why this administration isn’t trusted?

ted c on November 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Hey Eren, The creator of the video, being in prison,is interesting in it’s own right. Hint: he’s NOT a Coptic Christian, but a Mooslim con artist with lots of aliases, who copped a plea, and became an informant in exchange for a reduced sentence, previously, BUT no one is interested in that NOW.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Keep Obama in President…
He gave us a phone…you know..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

“the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups…”
i never bought this line of whooie…
the AlQuids are always happy to claim responsibility…
give it 20 mins and it will be posted on their web page…
they know they just attacked the US…your not tipping them off…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 8:53 PM

And none of this explains why thirty some Americans were abandoned to their fate, only saved by the 2 courageous and self-sacrificing former Navy Seals while our whole 800 plus billion dollar a year military, more expensive than the next 10 most expensive militarys in the whole world, and tens of billions a year CIA, stood by for so many hours with their thumps up their asses. Petraeus said it was the video to the House Intelligence Committee and now he, whom henceforth I will call Lietraeus, is trying to lietraeus his way out of it. Don’t lietraeus to me!

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Let them do whatever it is they want to do without blocking or mitigating anything. Aside from letting them start WWIII or simply just allowing us to be destroyed and then taken over by foreign powers that is.

Democrats will self-immolate and do so much utterly devastating damage that we’ll never be under Democrat rule ever again. Sure — it’ll sting a lot of people — there will be suffering — including among the vast confederacy of Fools who’ve voted Obama the King of Fools and the Democrat party their Fool’s Court.

But it will teach this entire country a vividly real lesson it will never forget — at least not for another 236 years — give or take.

FlatFoot on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

…I just answered this on the last thread…we had four years of THAT already!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Tyndale House Wins Preliminary Injunction Against Obamacare

The Washington Times: Bible publisher wins stay of Obama contraceptive mandate

A federal court on Friday said a Bible publisher doesn’t have to offer health insurance coverage for contraceptives if it has moral objections, blocking the Obama administration from imposing its contraceptive care mandate on the business for now.

Judge Reggie B. Walton said the Obama administration’s contraceptive coverage mandate puts companies that companies such as Illinois-based Tyndale House Publishers in an “untenable position” — either violate their beliefs, or face major penalties for failing to comply.

WORLD explains in Tyndale House wins mandate court battle:

U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton granted a preliminary injunction sought by Tyndale House, which will temporarily prevent the Obama administration from enforcing its contraceptive mandate under the new healthcare law on the Carol Stream, Ill., publishing company.

“The contraceptive coverage mandate affirmatively compels the plaintiffs to violate their religious beliefs in order to comply with the law and avoid the sanctions that would be imposed for their noncompliance,” wrote Walton….

The mandate would force Tyndale House to offer contraceptive coverage to its 260 employees that would include abortifacients such as Plan B and Ella and intrauterine devices.

Unlike other lawsuits filed by religious groups over the mandate, Tyndale House’s case was unique and had immediate implications, as the publishing company was already subject to the law. Tyndale House does not fall under the federal government’s “religious employer” exemption to the mandate, which applies only to churches, and as a for-profit company, it was not eligible for a compliance delay until August 2013 offered by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for religious non-profit groups. (Although Tyndale is a for-profit company, the Tyndale House Foundation, a nonprofit organization that gives its profits away, owns it.)

INC on November 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Obama: “Never Mind The Video. I Lied Because I Didn’t Want To Tip-Off The ‘Real Killers.’”

M2RB: Manfred Mann’s Earth Band

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Love the song…

Was there something else I was suppose to do? :)

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

“I do not think that word means what you think it means.”

How about pathological, instead?

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

That too. Me no speakie the English so goot. Me native tongue is Austrian.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

Don’t you just love this? What it is saying is “The democrats are in charge now, you Republicans just need to shut up and get in line with what we are doing. Yes, when you were in charge we were screeching about how dissent is patriotic, but that was because you were in charge. When we are in charge, dissent is divisive and you just need to shut up”

Screw that.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Hey Electrongod, I suspect that Africom reports to the Diversity Coordinator now/sarc.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

And none of this explains why thirty some Americans were abandoned to their fate, only saved by the 2 courageous and self-sacrificing former Navy Seals while our whole 800 plus billion dollar a year military, more expensive than the next 10 most expensive militarys in the whole world, and tens of billions a year CIA, stood by for so many hours with their thumps up their asses. Petraeus said it was the video to the House Intelligence Committee and now he, whom henceforth I will call Lietraeus, is trying to lietraeus his way out of it. Don’t lietraeus to me!

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Where are those 30 people? Who’s hiding them? Why is no one asking for their testimony? Why has this aspect been forgotten?

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.

Well, that makes me feel better about the whole thing.

I was worried that someone might have been trying to play politics with the deaths of four Americans.

Solaratov on November 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

All efforts to reign in or mitigate Democrats should be stopped immediately. No more ‘damage control’. No more common sense. No more fiscal responsibility. No more trying to assert our sensibilities in legislation and liberal agendas. Just. Stop. Now.

*snip*

FlatFoot on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

.
I think it is time for the “Rope-a-Dope” approach.

Give.them.nothing.

No deal on the fiscal cliff or sequestration.

No extension of the debt ceiling.

Nothing.

It is time to let them reap the whirlwind.

The SCOAMF and his worshippers believe they have the upper hand because the Republicans will step in and give them their way to one extent or another.

Don’t throw any punches. Do not compromise on anything.

Just lay back and let things rip.

Don’t think of it as “going over a cliff”.

Think of it as no longer participating in a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship.

… their behaviors and ignorance of economic realities will cause everything to go SPLAT!!!

And even, after the country hits bottom, leave the mess for them to try to fix.

PolAgnostic on November 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Hey Electrongod, I suspect that Africom reports to the Diversity Coordinator now/sarc.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

:)

I suspect the State House and the Situation Room knew what was going on outside of our Consulate long before the CIA would have known..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Are Donilon and Trapper part of the “Intelligence Community”?

Curtiss on November 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups…

Would that be the same groups who published their names on Facebook and claimed credit for the attacks and murders?

Those groups?

Whew! Good thing we didn’t let it slip that we were on to them. Otherwise, they might have gotten away scot-free.

Solaratov on November 17, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Meanwhile………….as Benghazi smoulders…..the M.E.
slowly becomes a raging brush fire……………

An Israeli air strike has hit a Gaza City media building, injuring at least 6 journalists – @AJELive

5 mins ago from staff.blogs.aljazeera.com by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Are Donilon and Trapper part of the “Intelligence Community”?

Curtiss on November 17, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Depends on what your definition of “intelligence” is.

Solaratov on November 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Where are those 30 people? Who’s hiding them? Why is no one asking for their testimony? Why has this aspect been forgotten?

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

That, sir, is an excellent question.

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:06 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Aw, that’s a real shame. You mean journolisters were in Gaza while the fakestinians were launching rockets? … and got hit by missiles attempting to take out those mortar positions? Gee; that’s too bad.

/yeah, I’m having a hard time finding any level of sympathy. Bunk in a warzone, expect that there might be some danger.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Can’t we all just get along?///

predator on November 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Kumbayah.

//

Solaratov on November 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

But Harry Reid says we don’t have any problems.

KW64 on November 17, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Just laying out the facts, specifically, and the deadline with some great cartoons. When the evidence is summarised as one would do in a closing argument, there really is no room left for even a delusional Obama Firster to deny what the Obama administration did before and after the Benghanzi attack. I could post it all, but, at this point, the totality of the evidence is so voluminous and overwhelming it takes oodles of posts.

:-)

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Where are those 30 people? Who’s hiding them? Why is no one asking for their testimony? Why has this aspect been forgotten?

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Whole heartedly agree. 30 people is a lot of people to keep quiet. Besides, one could surmise that at least half, if not more, have families, who may know stuff, so it is most likely more than 30. Where are they?

DoubleClutchin on November 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.
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Thats Donkey P*ss!!

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

:-)

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

:)

Good read on your site..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

INC on November 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM

ObamaCare is not yet the law of the land. Nor does it have to be. And even if it makes it for a year or so that does not mean it is forever.
This is where I am beginning to immensely dislike listening to Rush. He is a pessimist. He says he’s the mayor of Realville but he is acting like the mayor of doomsdaytown.

In 1995 or so, the Republicans reformed welfare with a Democrat President. It had never been done before and people had always said it never would be done. But it was done. Sure, Obama on his won just reversed all of that.. but guess what.. that just means the next President who comes in can undo what he did. Presto!

When ObamaCare hits us it will be like a sledgehammer. It will disrupt the lives of nearly every American. Nothing is going to improve. It will only get more expensive and more chaotic with less coverage. There are people right now today who actually believe ObamaCare has already taken effect. They are in for a surprise.

ObamaCare can be eliminated and gutted without it being repealed. This is done all the time. Every new law supersedes the old law. In the same way welfare was reformed without it being repealed… ObamaCare will and can be “reformed” with a new law that guts it.

The “Healthcare Amendment Act” or whatever you want to call it can it can pass by a simple majority vote. Presto again! Gut the blasted thing. Then pass the “Frank Dodd Amendment Act” with a simple majority vote and gut the blasted thing! Put a steak through it’s heart!

Politicians want us to believe that fixing things is hard. It isn’t Repeal is not the only way to kill this bill. You can do it by simple majority vote. But then again… as I understand it.. any future President can grant waivers as well. So be it.

JellyToast on November 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Keep Obama in President…
He gave us a phone…you know..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Ain’t got my phone yet!

Where’s my damn phone!?

I want my obamaphone!!

And my free stuff.

L.I.B.

Solaratov on November 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

I can’t make up my mind as to which I should us for Petraeus. Lietraeus or Lietraitorous. I think Lietraitorous fits better but Liestraeus rolls off the tongue better.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Too early to go supine. Let’s let this play out a bit in a non-hysterical fashion. This paper sack is obviously leaking and one can’t predict when the bottom will fall out.

Mason on November 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Hey canopfor, Thanks for the info. I suspect we’re seeing the beginnings of a 3rd World War, which in my opinion will be fought for the mst part asymetrically, and in MANY different places. This might be ” the phony war ” part.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

How many people watch BMaher? 10 including his family?

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 8:37 PM

That man has no family.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:10 PM

RWM,
For what my opinion is worth, I am going with you being the Victor Davis Hanson of Hot Air.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Ya know,it is interesting to note,that the Benghazi Debackle,
has for some reason,morphed into circling of the wagons,

of Democrats Demonizing the GOP,over Susan Rice!

And through the Political vechicle,of Benghazi,it has become
a daily infomercial for getting another unqualified Liberal
to a high(er) office!


Nuts!!

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Too early to go supine. Let’s let this play out a bit in a non-hysterical fashion. This paper sack is obviously leaking and one can’t predict when the bottom will fall out.

Mason on November 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I would like to agree but too often those nice little republicans are there to lick up the mess—-rather than rub the bad guys noses in it.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Thanks. I have had much of it up, but it was in different posts. Today, I put it all together in one. Once you read it all — in an almost rat-ta-tat way — it just becomes so overwhelmingly obvious what happened before and after the attacks. In fact, if you go back over the last two months and look at the claims made by the Left, almost everything has been debunked and destroyed. The facts are what many of us have been arguing since Day One, much to the derision and divisiveness of the Left. For example, remember when they were arguing that Ambassador Stevens never requested more security or voiced any concerns about security or terrorist threats? He had all Summer along and even did so FOUR HOURS BEFORE HE WAS MURDERED.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:19 PM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Wow! That’s a fabulous compliment. He is great. Thank you.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

With so many potential crises staring us in the face in 2013, the country doesn’t need a nasty fight over who said what when or a brutal confirmation battle that may result in a new secretary of state wounded from the start by a partisan Senate vote. It’s hard to see what national interest would be served by such a spectacle at a time when many around the world wonder whether the United States can get its act together.

Oh, good lord!
The only thing this quote is good for is as an effective emetic.

I believe we would best be served by an aggressive offensive against Susan Rice. If not, then we prove to the world we can’t get our act together.

KT MacFarlane on Fox right now. Excellent explanation about why bho defended her and will not nominate her. The thing is, he’s so mental, that you can’t predict his (or is it Jarrett’s?) moves.

freedomfirst on November 17, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Hey canopfor, Thanks for the info. I suspect we’re seeing the beginnings of a 3rd World War, which in my opinion will be fought for the mst part asymetrically, and in MANY different places. This might be ” the phony war ” part.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

bigmike:

I think,this is going to be the big one.
With Egypt and Tunsia,threatening Isreal
last night,it looks as if,the target rich
environment,just got better!
(sarc)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

That man has no family.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 17, 2012 at 9:18 PM

C’mon, wouldn’t he be fun to have over at Thanksgiving time?

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Keep Obama in President…
He gave us a phone…you know..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

…phone?…he hasn’t made a mortgage payment for me yet!…the JugEarred lying Jackazz!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

It’s hard to see what national interest would be served by such a spectacle at a time when many around the world wonder whether the United States can get its act together.

How about learning from our mistakes, finding out how what could be done to make the situation more secure for our diplomatic staffs around the world, and insuring that this never happens again?

Like we did with the 9/11 Commission, ya know?

Oops! I forgot. That was a “non-politicised” committee and no politician or political party had tried to “politicised” the 9/11 fallout at all. My bad.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………

My one blog post about Susan Rice
Thursday, November 15, 2012 – 4:23 PM
*************************************

Yesterday at his press conference, Barack Obama defended Ambassador/possible future Secretary of State Susan Rice from Republican critiques of her Sunday news show appearances on Benghazi:


“President Obama strongly defended U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice against attacks Wednesday by a trio of Republican senators who said she is ill-qualified to serve as secretary of state because of how she explained the roots of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Bristling with evident indignation during a news conference, Obama said Rice has “done exemplary work” with “skill, professionalism and toughness and grace.”

He then made a pointedly and almost personal challenge to Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.),Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) who earlier Wednesday said Rice is unqualified to lead the State Department because she appeared either misinformed or ill-prepared to discuss the attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, on national political talk shows a few days after the attack.

“If Sen. McCain and Sen. Graham and others want to go after somebody they should go after me,” Obama said. “For them to go after the UN ambassador who had nothing to do with Benghazi…to besmirch her reputation is outrageous.”

Apparently the troika weren’t pleased, taking to the Senate to blast Rice, Obama and everything else within range.

Slate’s David Weigel has already blogged about the ways in which McCain has already distorted what Susan Rice actually said in those Sunday appearances. Rather than repeat his points, I’d note a few things:

1) It’s fascinating to me how critics seem to think that Susan Rice flat-out lied in those Sunday shows. “Lied” is different from “saying things that are wrong.” Lied implies that Rice knew exactly why that attack occurred but for political reasons said something else. Being wrong would have been a much simpler task — simply echoing intelligence talking points that were given to her. It’s to Marco Rubio’s credit, for example, that he nails the distinction. As quoted by Weigel:

“”We have a process for nominations, and we want to give her a full hearing,” said Sen. Marco Rubio yesterday when asked about Rice. “I’m concerned with the fact she went on Sunday shows and said this was the product of a spontaneous uprising and not a terrorist attack. Obviously she based those comments on directives or information that she had, and it’s important to know where those directives came from and what that information was.” (emphasis added)
(More…..)
============

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/15/my_one_blog_post_about_susan_rice

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Where are those 30 people? Who’s hiding them? Why is no one asking for their testimony? Why has this aspect been forgotten?

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I wonder … just thinking out loud, mind you, and I may have to adjust my tinfoil hat … if that was not just another lie put forth — just as the video was — by Obama and the State Dept. to divert attention the horror of the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs attacks.

As you asked, why aren’t these people coming forward? The election’s over. It didn’t take long for Patricia Smith and Charles Woods to speak out. Maybe the reason no one else is coming forward is because there isn’t anyone else except the four men who were murdered.

PatriotGal2257 on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I read your posts on an earlier thread about the lead up to 9/11/12.

Several posts exactly..

I have copied them for further deployment..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Hey canopfor, Thanks for the info. I suspect we’re seeing the beginnings of a 3rd World War, which in my opinion will be fought for the mst part asymetrically, and in MANY different places. This might be ” the phony war ” part.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I feel pretty secure though with Obama in charge. Kind of like how pop Roosevelt took care of the nation—at least he did love America.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

… divert attention from the horror …

PatriotGal2257 on November 17, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Can’t we all just get along?///

predator on November 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM

So, what you’re saying is that the Rodney King Foreign Policy Doctrine trumps the Pottery Barn Rule of Foreign Policy???

Yep, but only when a Democrat is President.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:27 PM

…phone?…he hasn’t made a mortgage payment for me yet!…the JugEarred lying Jackazz!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Did you participate in the Cash for Clunker Program…back in the day?

If not..

You did not qualify.

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I have copied them for further deployment..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Now, all you need is the one link. I put everything in one place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

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Those who preach to us about morality should offer an alternative way to stop the rocket fire from Hamas. #israelunderfire #pillarofdefense

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Now, all you need is the one link. I put everything in one place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Jeeze.. :)

I knew I should have scrolled down…:)

I was watching the video…

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Asked why Rice’s talking points differed from Petraeus’ reported understanding of the assault, Rhodes put the blame back on the CIA.

“I can’t speak to what the process is within the CIA,” he said. “What I can say, though, is those points, and what Susan said is that we indicated we believed extremists were involved. The president himself called it an ‘act of terror,’ right?”

At the time, no he didn’t.

Repeated lies do not become truth.

And I am sick of being lied to by this Administration.

At this point I would have a problem telling you the last time they told the whole, unvarnished truth about anything: the default assumption is that they lie because it is a collective mental disorder. When you believe in collectivism, you get the disorder.

ajacksonian on November 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Yep, but only when a Democrat is President.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:27 PM

And the LSM isn’t giving Stevens and crew the same coverage that they gave po’ ol’ Rodney.

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM

FlatFoot on November 17, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Yes!!!

The problem is that it is only a failure or problem if the media and pop culture admit it.

The incredible stupidity of Comedy Channel and talk show celebrities heads is incredible.

Tell Maher that

1) James Bond is fiction. 2)The CIA position is not as opposed to adultery (Bond avoided other people’s spouses till lately) as th armed services. 3) It makes no sense to prosecute former President Bush (use his title, you racist) since any sitting POTUS knows to watch what battles you pick. The whole thing could backfire and make the wrong people look like heroes. Stupid ideas in powerful people are dangerous to them.

Like someone’s idiot idea to try terrorists in New York or close Gitmo.

IlikedAUH2O on November 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Hey canopfor, I’m thinking much wider. I’ve noticed that a LOT of Chinese are ” getting out of Dodge City “, to places like Vancouver and Toronto, but not to places like TB and The SOO. About half a million a year? The ones who could skim and graft their way out.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Now, all you need is the one link. I put everything in one place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Bookmarked! Thanks!

PatriotGal2257 on November 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Did you participate in the Cash for Clunker Program…back in the day?

If not..

You did not qualify.

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

When CfC was first introduced the lib I work with couldn’t wait to get his piece of that particular “government largesse,” as he called it.

They turned him down.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:24 PM

RWM,
We are missing something and I am not sure what, but something seems out of wack. The President and his crew they are calculating to a T, I almost wonder if there wasn’t some high value target at that place that was supposed to be dead or out of the picture and the attack was a rescue mission. I know tinfoil hat time, but something keeps nagging at me that you don’t call a rescue off for what we know so far.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Aw, that’s a real shame. You mean journolisters were in Gaza while the fakestinians were launching rockets? … and got hit by missiles attempting to take out those mortar positions? Gee; that’s too bad.

/yeah, I’m having a hard time finding any level of sympathy. Bunk in a warzone, expect that there might be some danger.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 9:08 PM

AZfederalist:

Lol,I’m with ya,yup,its a BOINKING WAR ZONE,….HELLO!:)
(sarc).

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Correct answer to Bald Carville:

Former Governor Romney stopped bringing this up out of a remarkable willingness to allow the administration to investigate the tragedy. It has now been months and the contradictions, apparent inaccurate statements and evidence of malfeasance are quickly mounting.

IlikedAUH2O on November 17, 2012 at 9:37 PM

They turned him down.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Wow… :)

I wonder why?

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I knew I should have scrolled down…:)

I was watching the video…

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:30 PM

M2RB = Music to READ BY, knucklehead!

:-) lol

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Here’s what I am leaning to..

Tinfoil hat off..

Our embassidor is giving weekly reports to the State House about how violence is building up..

Oh wait..

Resist We Much covers it all.

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I wonder … just thinking out loud, mind you, and I may have to adjust my tinfoil hat … if that was not just another lie put forth — just as the video was — by Obama and the State Dept. to divert attention the horror of the Ambassador and the Navy SEALs attacks.

As you asked, why aren’t these people coming forward? The election’s over. It didn’t take long for Patricia Smith and Charles Woods to speak out. Maybe the reason no one else is coming forward is because there isn’t anyone else except the four men who were murdered.

PatriotGal2257 on November 17, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I guess that you tinfoil hat assertion is just as good any. I had heard that several were injured and had returned to the States while others had been scattered throughout Europe or Germany.

And then the story just disappeared. I don’t really don’t think we are ever going to get answer out these lying creeps that inhabit the White House.

Case in point, that so called press conference this week that was nothing more than more campaign rhetoric.

JPeterman on November 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Hey patriotgal2257, There was network video of the people pasing thru an airport, some of them were treated at Landsthul(?) for injuries, they did NOT talk to the reporters. I assume they were Cia and State employees, etc.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM

:-) lol

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I know..

But that is one of my favorites..

And I have never seen that video..

No excuse..of course..:)

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to take advantage of this thread to report the new generation of Chinese leadership has been selected. Now folks already watching Chinese events know that Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao’s replacements are Xi Jinping and Li Keqiang respectively but for what about the Politburo Standing Committee (the inner government so to speak)? Well that vote took place on Thursday, here are the members excluding the above named:

Zhang Dejiang, Communist Party Committee Secretary, Chongqing
Yu Zhengshen, Communist Party Committee Secretary, Shanghai
Liu Yunshan, Director, Propaganda Department
Wang Qishan, Secretary, Central Commission for Discipline and Inspection
Zhang Gaoli, Communist Party Committee Secretary, Tianjin

Now Xi and Li will officially take their places as President and Premier next year when their generation takes charge as I understand it, but there are a few interesting things to note here. First the Standing Committee has been cut-down to 7 members again from the 9 it was when Jiang Zemin stepped down. Second the partisan struggle between Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin that has been raging for months seems to have been resolved in the latter’s favor because two of the new Standing Committee members (Liu and Zhang Dejiang) are Jiang stalwarts.

This also means that any chance of political reform in China has gone to nil or very slim at most. Xi Jinping might be able to force a reform agenda if he possesses the will to do so but it bears remembering that many people hoped the same of Hu Jintao ten years ago.

Shogun144 on November 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Wow… :)

I wonder why?

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:37 PM

It was a ’98 Honda. And it was a piece of crap. The damned thing barely ran. He thought if he told them how bad it was, and that it surely didn’t get good gas mileage anymore, they would chunk him some cash.

Nooooooooooooooope.

They went by manufacturer’s MPG ratings when it was built.

Hehehehe.:D

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I am with you and your right RWM did a great job, but him losing control of the situation seems too simple for this type of cover up, although considering, the incompetence on everything else the simplest may be the spot on reason.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM

They went by manufacturer’s MPG ratings when it was built.

Hehehehe.:D

predator on November 17, 2012 at 9:43 PM

So basically…

The democrats destroyed cars that were still good and getting good MPG…

That figures..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Hey canopfor, I’m thinking much wider. I’ve noticed that a LOT of Chinese are ” getting out of Dodge City “, to places like Vancouver and Toronto, but not to places like TB and The SOO. About half a million a year? The ones who could skim and graft their way out.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM

bigmike:

Interesting,I think,we’d be lucky to have a thousand Chinese
here in the Sault,as our population is around,80 thousand!:)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I miss simpler days. When I chopped wood. Fished the Susqehanna, hunted. And our rotary phone. We played war as kids. Hardcore by todays standards. Foxholes were dug in the woods. BB’s flew. It was great. Our forts were badassed. Stone and wood. Do you remember?

Things are much different.

wolly4321 on November 17, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Keep Obama in President…
He gave us a phone…you know..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 8:52 PM

It’s amazing they didn’t throw in sneakers as well.

The campaign must have been short of cash.

Cody1991 on November 17, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I am with you and your right RWM did a great job, but him losing control of the situation seems too simple for this type of cover up, although considering, the incompetence on everything else the simplest may be the spot on reason.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM

I don’t know if RWM stated his conclusion..(haven’t read it all)
But all he did is give facts and time lines.

I know one thing..

Obama has never been Johnny on the Spot when seconds count..

That attack on Benghazi…seconds counted..

Maybe Obama wanted a prisoner exchange program to make him look good before the election…I don’t know..

But what we do know..

Obama will let Americans die…

This is fact..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

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