Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on November 17, 2012 by Allahpundit

David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told lawmakers on Friday that classified intelligence reports revealed that the deadly assault on the American diplomatic mission in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups

“The points were not, as has been insinuated by some, edited to minimize the role of extremists, diminish terrorist affiliations, or play down that this was an attack,” said a senior official familiar with the drafting of the talking points. “There were legitimate intelligence and legal issues to consider, as is almost always the case when explaining classified assessments publicly.”

Some intelligence analysts worried, for instance, that identifying the groups could reveal that American spy services were eavesdropping on the militants — a fact most insurgents are already aware of. Justice Department lawyers expressed concern about jeopardizing the F.B.I.’s criminal inquiry in the attacks. Other officials voiced concern that making the names public, at least right away, would create a circular reporting loop and hamper efforts to trail the militants.

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.

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“[T]he only edit that was made by the White House and also by the State Department was to change the word ‘consulate’ to the word ‘diplomatic facility,’ since the facility in Benghazi was not formally a consulate,” Rhodes told reporters today during a press gaggle. “Other than that we were guided by the points that were provided by the intelligence community.”…

Asked why Rice’s talking points differed from Petraeus’ reported understanding of the assault, Rhodes put the blame back on the CIA.

“I can’t speak to what the process is within the CIA,” he said. “What I can say, though, is those points, and what Susan said is that we indicated we believed extremists were involved. The president himself called it an ‘act of terror,’ right?”

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The “hybrid” explanation is a compromise, of sorts, between two competing narratives. The first suggested that a protest against an anti-Islam film in Benghazi led to a “spontaneous” assault on the US consulate there. We know that version isn’t true because there never was any protest in Benghazi. The second narrative points to a terrorist attack. The weaponry involved in the assault, the sophistication of the operation and, most importantly, the involvement of al Qaeda-linked terrorists all buttress this second version.

While there was no film protest in Benghazi, however, there are reasons to suspect that the events in Egypt and Libya on Sept. 11 are linked. But that link isn’t an anti-Islam film. They are linked by the fact that known al Qaeda-affiliated individuals were directly involved in both

Let’s look at the key personalities involved in Cairo protest. The following four individuals attended the protest in front of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and helped to incite protesters.

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If Susan Rice “had nothing to do with Benghazi,” why then was she sent out to represent the administration in multiple television interviews five days after the attacks?

The charitable view: The White House wanted to see her in a high-profile position as something of a tryout for her possible appointment as secretary of state in a second term.

The less charitable view: Because Rice had no independent knowledge of what happened, she could be counted on to do nothing more than recite administration talking points. And because Rice had nothing to do with Ben­ghazi, there was no risk that she would disclose just how much of the intelligence pointed to a coordinated, planned al Qaeda attack on the U.S. facilities in Benghazi. Instead, Rice’s misleading talking points suggested that the deaths of four Americans in Libya came as a result of a political protest run amok—a narrative that was almost as thoroughly discredited when she delivered it as it is today…

Obama administration officials were not trying to provide an accurate picture of what happened in Benghazi on September 11. They were trying to obscure it. Notwithstanding the president’s claims to the contrary, it appears as if the goal of the White House in those early days was to hide the truth from the American people. That’s why you send out a spokesman who “had nothing to do with Benghazi.” It’s why you give her talking points that include a debunked story about a protest that never took place.

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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would have been the White House’s logical choice to discuss the chaotic events in the Middle East, but she was drained after a harrowing week, administration officials said. Even if she had not been consoling the families of those who died, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, Mrs. Clinton steers clear of the Sunday shows.

So instead, Ms. Rice, the ambassador to the United Nations, delivered her now-infamous account of the episode. Reciting talking points supplied by intelligence agencies, she said that the Benghazi siege appeared to be a spontaneous protest rather than a premeditated terrorist attack. Within days, Republicans in Congress were calling for her head…

“Susan had a reputation, fairly or not, as someone who could run a little hot and shoot from the hip,” said John Norris, a foreign-policy expert at the Center for American Progress. “If someone had told me that the biggest knock on her was going to be that she too slavishly followed the talking points on Benghazi, I would have been shocked.”

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[T]he idea that Rice should be disqualified because of statements she made on television in the days after the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, strikes me as unfair. It seems pretty clear now that she based her statements on information the CIA provided at the time. That information proved erroneous, and why the CIA was giving faulty information to senior administration officials remains unclear. I haven’t seen persuasive evidence to support the theory that Rice’s statements were part of a coverup to hide a terrorist attack. The fact that Rice was working from information provided by the CIA would seem to undercut such a theory

With so many potential crises staring us in the face in 2013, the country doesn’t need a nasty fight over who said what when or a brutal confirmation battle that may result in a new secretary of state wounded from the start by a partisan Senate vote. It’s hard to see what national interest would be served by such a spectacle at a time when many around the world wonder whether the United States can get its act together.

Yes, liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees and buying into conspiracies much wilder, and more damaging, than this. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity to the foreign policy debate? Republicans should let this one go and save their energies for the real problems looming before us.

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That pretty much says it for me…

… President Oblahblah watched in real time, until he went to sleep, a battle that went on for seven hours, and although help was called for three times, he refused leaving brave Americans to die.

I never thought I would live to see this day in the United States of America…

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

Not to get picky,I thought it was 19 hours!!-:0

And,isn’t it amazing how the Benghazi hearings,with Be tray Us,
turned into a cheerleading for Susan Rice’s position for Secretary
of State!

And,how da Mean’ ol’ Publicans are treating,Susan Rice!:)

Correct you are:DisTraction:)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

predator on November 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Night!

gophergirl on November 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I don’t think that we will ever know why the government acted as it did that night (no rescue attempt) and afterward completely until we know why Stevens and the CIA were in Benghazi in the first place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Officially and unofficially – he’d just returned from a week in Germany, Austria and Switzerland; the ambassador modus operandi for such embassies is for days like the anniv. of 9/11 to stay put in the main embassy (Tripoli), in the most secure location.

Benghazi was not even consulate.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

where are the survivors….
A 31-year-old security guard employed by a British contracting company, the Blue Mountain Group, said he distinctly remembered the time of the meeting because about a half-hour before Akin was scheduled to meet with Stevens, the ambassador approached the guard, introduced himself and asked what security measures were needed to allow the Turkish consul to enter, including what kind of badge the Turkish delegation needed to enter the compound. Stevens addressed the guard in Arabic and told him Akin would arrive at 6:30 p.m. for an hourlong meeting.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/12/3913886/witnesses-differ-with-us-over.html

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

One after another, men who I once thought highly of have come to dump on us—Christie, Petraeus, Rubio, Lindsay Graham, Elena Kagen.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Good/tough az, you should have never thought highly of any of these ‘men’.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

a consulate

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM

PatriotGal2257 on November 17, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Goodnight PatriotGal

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM


Martinez Play Book

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Good evening, anybody home?

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I don’t think that we will ever know why the government acted as it did that night (no rescue attempt) and afterward completely until we know why Stevens and the CIA were in Benghazi in the first place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM

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Ambassador Ted Stevens (with others) was channeling weapons to the Syrian Rebels.
He was “marked” for death by the President (or President’s advisors. Hello, Valerie Jarrett) to cover up all evidence of this.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

RWM…you asked about this up-thread..
“Stevens died from suffocation and carbon monoxide poisoning, according to the emergency room doctor who treated him at Benghazi Medical Center.”

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Dos Anjos just dismantled Bocek.

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Good evening, anybody home?

SWalker
on November 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

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Nope. Sorry.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Ambassador Ted Stevens (with others) was channeling weapons to the Syrian Rebels.
He was “marked” for death by the President (or President’s advisors. Hello, Valerie Jarrett) to cover up all evidence of this.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Not to stop you while you are on a roll or anything, but the Ambassadors name was Christopher Stevens, not Ted.

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Hey listens2glenn, Yup, workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains, and MAKE THE RICH PAY! Let’s all join hands and sing Kumbaya, and utopia will JUST OCCUR !!!11!!/ so early 70s.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:06 PM

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I’ve been trying to track down those 30 people because I couldn’t remember who they all were. A post here on 11/2 quotes the WSJ:

The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said…

So the few who are not with State or the CIA differ from the official version.

As for the rest, they would have to have not only eyewitness knowledge, but the guts and character to tell the truth.

Fiat justitia ruat caelum: “Let justice be done though the heavens fall.”

The question is whether or not any of them have both.

INC on November 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:03 PM

.
Not to stop you while you are on a roll or anything, but the Ambassadors name was Christopher Stevens, not Ted.

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:05 PM

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( b l u s h ) This would be a good time to slink away . . . . .

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM

RWM…you asked about this up-thread..
“Stevens died from suffocation and carbon monoxide poisoning, according to the emergency room doctor who treated him at Benghazi Medical Center.”

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM

But why was the safe house not prepared??

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM

and another thing that has me pondering late nights…
why did the AlQs take the ambassador to the hospital…??
and post guards at that hospital..??…
who comes to kill you …then offers you a ride to the hospital?…
and yes they came to kill…no one stops by for tea
with a AK-47 and a fistfull of RPGs…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:08 PM

( b l u s h ) This would be a good time to slink away . . . . .

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM

NEVAH!

Misspeaking is the right, nay, the PRIVILEGE of all those that would speak! And speak you must to change the world.

SLINK NOT, SOLDIER! :)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I know..

Lets blame Bain Capital..

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Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 10:07 PM

It’s hard to hate those Hollywood guys, for me. They seem to be the most imprisoned people on earth.

(Not to be confused with willing apparatchiks.)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Axe:

Good points,I don’t follow Car Dash’n one bit,but supporting
Israel,is a plus!

It came over the twitter wires,late last night,via:

Results for #IsraelUnderFire
Related: #israel, #gazaunderattack, #gaza
******************************************

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IsraelUnderFire&src=hash

Heres another new one:

Results for #ISRAELUNITED
**************************

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ISRAELUNITED&src=hash

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:13 PM

These old bones are demanding to be put to bed, so I’m gonna abide by their wishes.

Another day, patriots.

L.i.B.

predator on November 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

predator:Nite Pred:)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Hey going2mars, The cynic in me says that the finding of Stevens and transport of him to a hospital is part of the pre-planned and staged photo-op, which is now the normal in Islamic operations. Or maybe I’m just a cynic.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Otay Peeps,I’m bailing,

Nite Everyone———————————————-:)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Great minds think alike!

If my Gophers can beat Michigan State next week – I think it can be considered a decent season all things considered. At least we are going in the right direction for a change.

gophergirl on November 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

…not to worry!…we’ll lose to you by one or three points…in the last one or three minutes of the game!…been doing that all season!…
… has been a trying month for the last 30 days…no World Series win for the Tigers…I enjoy politics and have no Romney , no pundits I believe anymore, and too many trolls phucking up Hot Air…the Detroit Lions are playing like the Michigan State Spartans…the University of Michigan is winning…and the only sport I really love…are not in the HOCKEY mood…and Nick Lindstrom retired so we would have sucked there!…I might have to start listening to music again…and watch reality TV 24/7 again..
everything I like…is turning to SH!T…!!!.

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Otay Peeps,I’m bailing,

Nite Everyone———————————————-:)

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Night Canada!

//lurkmode

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Hey going2mars, The cynic in me says that the finding of Stevens and transport of him to a hospital is part of the pre-planned and staged photo-op, which is now the normal in Islamic operations. Or maybe I’m just a cynic.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

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CYNIC !
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Oh, wait . . . . . so am I. Disregard.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:18 PM

who comes to kill you …then offers you a ride to the hospital?…
and yes they came to kill…no one stops by for tea
with a AK-47 and a fistfull of RPGs…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Don’t remember who it was several weeks ago, so I can’t give proper attribution. However, somebody here posited that it is possible that this whole thing was intended to be a hostage situation in which Obama would then trade the blind sheik to a “neutral” third party country like Egypt for the return of our diplomat and his team. This would explain why the CIA personnel were told to “stand down” and no immediate rescue was mounted. Unfortunately, because the CIA personnel refused to stand down and took the fight to the enemy, things got out of hand and the ambassador and they were killed. AQ was trying to pull the plan out of the crapper when they thought there was a chance Stevens was still alive.

/not really into conspiracy theories, but this explanation does seem to answer a lot of questions.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM

…night Canada… as always…thanks for the links!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

gophergirl on November 17, 2012 at 10:45 PM

.
…not to worry!…we’ll lose to you by one or three points…in the last one or three minutes of the game!…been doing that all season!…

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

.
Yeah, they have. Kinda’ bizarre.
I really don’t believe MSU is that bad of a team.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Goodnight canopfor

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:23 PM

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM
while reading some of RWM’s posts she points out the
Blind Sheikh ….perhaps this was a kiddnapping gone wrong…
they snatch the amb…and BHO trades the blind guy for him…
this…would need to be covered up…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

who comes to kill you …then offers you a ride to the hospital?…
and yes they came to kill…no one stops by for tea
with a AK-47 and a fistfull of RPGs…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Don’t remember who it was several weeks ago, so I can’t give proper attribution. However, somebody here posited that it is possible that this whole thing was intended to be a hostage situation in which Obama would then trade the blind sheik to a “neutral” third party country like Egypt for the return of our diplomat and his team. This would explain why the CIA personnel were told to “stand down” and no immediate rescue was mounted. Unfortunately, because the CIA personnel refused to stand down and took the fight to the enemy, things got out of hand and the ambassador and they were killed. AQ was trying to pull the plan out of the crapper when they thought there was a chance Stevens was still alive.

/not really into conspiracy theories, but this explanation does seem to answer a lot of questions.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

……you are not the only one feeling like this AZ…and I’m waiting for someone to articulate it in DC…but… that will never happen!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Anybody else having problems with slow response times and long update rates on here tonight? In Chrome, the posting window never does come back after a refresh. I can get the posting window back in FireFox by stopping the update.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

( b l u s h ) This would be a good time to slink away . . . . .

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:07 PM

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NEVAH!

Misspeaking is the right, nay, the PRIVILEGE of all those that would speak! And speak you must to change the world.

SLINK NOT, SOLDIER! :)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 11:11 PM

.
Thanks for the “pep-talk”.

I feel much better now, comrade . . . . . Ooops … I mean friend, FRIEND.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Also, SWalker, if you are still here, can you see theblogmocracy? I’ve been unable to connect the past several hours.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

liberals and Democrats have done the same in the past, voting against Republican presidents’ nominees …. But why don’t we try to break the cycle and make an effort to restore some comity

Yeah, sure, Pal.

Psychologists call this “Magical Thinking”. Ignore current and historical behavior because a “nicer” new result is desired.

If the last election proved anything it’s that the high road leads to exile in the political wilderness.

Learn from the blue cities, which are run with an iron fist.

Compromise is for chumps.

That’s why you need to win.

Bruno Strozek on November 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM
laffs…im prolly the gulty one here…
ive been tossing out possible reasons BHO would
have thought he “needed”..to lie…
something CIA and deep is going on here…
barry wouldnt go ‘all in’ and tell the big lie
unless there some reason to call for it…
‘you dont bet the farm…on a bluff’

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Sports is the only thing keeping me sane after the election.

Michigan State is cursed this year. They are way better than us.

gophergirl on November 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Hey AZfederalist, This would suppose that AQ is ” a resonable actor “, would it not? And that the CIA assets were not in on the plan? How likely is that? I prefer Occam’s razor.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

DUDE – #1 and #2 go down tonight.

The BCS is going to be one gigantic mess.

gophergirl on November 17, 2012 at 11:36 PM

RWM has a wonderful point by point page here
http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/

what ever his reason for it was…to BHO…
the possiblity of 30+ deaths was worth telling
the ‘big lie’

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM
laffs…im prolly the gulty one here…
ive been tossing out possible reasons BHO would
have thought he “needed”..to lie…
something CIA and deep is going on here…
barry wouldnt go ‘all in’ and tell the big lie
unless there some reason to call for it…
‘you dont bet the farm…on a bluff’

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Or it might have been me. Obama’s rubber duckies refuse to stay in a row.

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Yeah, they have. Kinda’ bizarre.
I really don’t believe MSU is that bad of a team.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

…they’re not!…top ten defensive team in the country…they can’t seem to hold anything in the last minute or two of every game. The field goal kicker who hit every field goal but one last year…missed 1 every game but 1 this year. It’s the opposite of last year…I have a good feeling for next year though since they only lose 1 starting senior
….I have Izzo and basketball to look forward too…and that team will as a yearly usual… require electric panels for the heart…losing to Connecticut…but beating Kansas!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:39 PM

This would suppose that AQ is ” a resonable actor “,
would it not?

Your assumption is that Obama would recognize your requirement as a prerequisite for this kind of plan. I’m not sure he or his administration is that savvy.

And that the CIA assets were not in on the plan? How likely is that? I prefer Occam’s razor.

bigmike on November 17, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Someone at CIA may have been in on the plan but not necessarily the folks on the ground.

I’m not pushing this theory as the answer, it just answers some of the more nagging questions such as why the AQ bunch took the ambassador to the hospital, why the crowd is on video exclaiming “Alahu Snackbar! He’s alive!” and why the administration issued orders and was adamant about not executing a rescue attempt.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Night friends..

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Electrongod on November 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Goodnight EG

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:19 PM

This theory, which I have discussed before, does indeed explain why he was taken to hospital. According to this theory, different from the arms to Syria theory, hinged on Stevens being alive.

Frankly both theories work in terms of why Obama went to bed. But the kidnap one tends to fit all the questions.

ORconservative on November 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM

I really don’t believe MSU is that bad of a team.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM

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…they’re not!…top ten defensive team in the country…they can’t seem to hold anything in the last minute or two of every game. The field goal kicker who hit every field goal but one last year…missed 1 every game but 1 this year. It’s the opposite of last year…I have a good feeling for next year though since they only lose 1 starting senior

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:39 PM

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That’s just great … now I (Penn State fan) have to worry about Michigan State, next year.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM
well…it could have been …us…or someone else
i’ll take seconds or thirds…im just trying to
work on the …’why’..why did the POTUS think lying was
his only option…
if he sends boys in a guns a blaze…no matter the outcome
he wins the election because hes seen as a bad azz…defender
of the republic…
if he tells them to ‘stand down’ as reported we have to find
the …why answer…
stand down because i have a black op CIA site there
either transfering or holding AlQs for rendition..
stand down because we have a gun running deal with syria?
stand down because i was working a hostage trade for the
ambassador and the Blind Sheikh
stand down because amb stevens begged for help for months
and i didnt pay any attention to him…??
im still stuck on …why…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

… it just answers some of the more nagging questions such as why the AQ bunch took the ambassador to the hospital, why the crowd is on video exclaiming “Alahu Snackbar! He’s alive!” and why the administration issued orders and was adamant about not executing a rescue attempt.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM

….THERE!!!…^ ^ ^

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I’m not into conspiracy either, I do not think Benghazi qualifies as a conspiracy. First of all the players are not all that smart.
I’m really not sure all that much is hidden or unknown either.

ORconservative on November 17, 2012 at 11:53 PM

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 11:40 PM
if this ‘crowd’ said “hes alive”…did the hospital
staff have a go at him..??

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 11:38 PM
well…it could have been …us…or someone else
i’ll take seconds or thirds…im just trying to
work on the …’why’..why did the POTUS think lying was
his only option…
if he sends boys in a guns a blaze…no matter the outcome
he wins the election because hes seen as a bad azz…defender
of the republic…
if he tells them to ‘stand down’ as reported we have to find
the …why answer…
stand down because i have a black op CIA site there
either transfering or holding AlQs for rendition..
stand down because we have a gun running deal with syria?
stand down because i was working a hostage trade for the
ambassador and the Blind Sheikh
stand down because amb stevens begged for help for months
and i didnt pay any attention to him…??
im still stuck on …why…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

…a n d…T H E R E..^^^

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:02 AM

If, in fact, those people in the White House were as courageous, and had the moral strength that my son Ty had, immediately, within minutes of when they found there was the first attack, they would have stepped–they would have given permission, not denied permission, for those C-130s to have gone up there. And this is exact–I don’t know much about weapons, but it’s coming out right now that they actually had laser targets focused on the mortars being sent to kill my son and they refused to pull the trigger. They refused to send those C-130s.

To me–I’m an attorney, this may not legal test of murder. But to me, that is not only cowardice. For those people who made the decision and who knew about the decision and lied about it are murderers of my son.” – Charles Woods

That pretty much says it for me…

… President Oblahblah watched in real time, until he went to sleep, a battle that went on for seven hours, and although help was called for three times, he refused leaving brave Americans to die.

Those who tried to help, including General Ham, were immediately relieved of their Commands, then the “spin” machine went into full throat…

All of this nonsense is distraction…

… We know it, they know it, but will the life of a few good men be worth it?

I say no…

… Ty Woods was working to support his family in a very dangerous part of the world, but ultimately believed, truly believed that we all had his back.

Now three children will grow up without their Dad…

… Left to die, while saving others, calling for support, that was PURPOSEULY withheld to cover a failed political agenda.

Think about that the next time you see Obowma’s face, the “press”, or anyone else telling you this is a none story, or an affair is more important…

I never thought I would live to see this day in the United States of America…

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM

What “Seven Percent Solution” wrote ^^.

Lourdes on November 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

the POTUS went to bed with 30+ souls lives in
the balance…and when he woke up…lying
was his only answer……shruggs…..why

going2mars on November 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

if this ‘crowd’ said “hes alive”…did the hospital
staff have a go at him..??

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Doesn’t matter to them if they’re alive.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

its not a conspiracy theory to wonder why…
do you think a bunch of AlQuids are sitting around
waxing their RPG and one of em says…lets
go whack the US Ambassador for fun…
there is a reason as to why they went over/thru that wall…
sport killing they can do on any given day…
revenge requires a special day….say…uhm…9/11

going2mars on November 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM
unless they intend him for a bargaining chip..

going2mars on November 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM

What “Seven Percent Solution” wrote ^^.

Lourdes on November 18, 2012 at 12:05 AM

…I get upset thinking of Ty Woods ‘shining ‘ on the mortars…and instead of him getting the results every military man has expected throughout American History…it was he and his already bloodied body… who was hit!…and the MSM is clueless?

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:21 AM

if this ‘crowd’ said “hes alive”…did the hospital
staff have a go at him..??

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Doesn’t matter to them if they’re alive.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

…when was he sodomized?

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:22 AM

would you want to be the reporter that
‘brought down the one true Messiah…
you’ll never get invites to cocktail parties again..

going2mars on November 18, 2012 at 12:26 AM

That’s just great … now I (Penn State fan) have to worry about Michigan State, next year.

listens2glenn on November 17, 2012 at 11:51 PM

…now there is a team….after losing all those star players with the special dispensations…that is playing as a football team…they are a surprise!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:29 AM

…when was he sodomized?

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Before and after his death

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM

The White House needs more time to weave a plausible fabric of lies.

disa on November 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2012 at 12:21 AM
im with you on this thought….both seals
deserved better…america was suspose to
have their back…BHO let them down

going2mars on November 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Clink to BMore and Schad

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Clink to BMore and Schad

SparkPlug on November 18, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Howdy SP

———

The White House needs more time to weave a plausible fabric of lies.

disa on November 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM

They’re with the terrorists.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:45 AM

To sum it up in one little link: Check it.

A big ol’ howdy from the rowdy…

hillbilly.

P.S. If we can make through four more years of this shizzle, the most blind, incompetent, stupid, half-assed, no-brained among us will hopefully see the error of their voting (or not voting) ways.

Hang in there, baby.

To put it lingually in the hillbilly colloquillism:

Eff em sonsa bitches; giv’em enough rope.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2012 at 12:54 AM

To sum it up in one little link: Check it.

A big ol’ howdy from the rowdy…

hillbilly.

P.S. If we can make through four more years of this shizzle, the most blind, incompetent, stupid, half-assed, no-brained among us will hopefully see the error of their voting (or not voting) ways.

Hang in there, baby.

To put it lingually in the hillbilly colloquillism:

Eff em sonsa britches; giv’em enough rope.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2012 at 12:55 AM

David H. Petraeus Lietratoreus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency

VorDaj on November 18, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Top of the mornin’ to ya, Schadenfreude.

Sadly, we were right.

I’ll pray for you, if you’ll pray for me….

….you know better; I’ll pray for us all anyway.

We GODDAMN WELL NEED IT.

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM

So Al Qaeda did not know it attacked? Huh?

pat on November 18, 2012 at 1:06 AM

So Al Qaeda did not know it attacked? Huh?

pat on November 18, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Ssshhhhhh.

It’s a secret.

Or some damn thing, even though every third-grader in America knew better way back when…

…Ssshhhh.

Don’t tell anybody, for ______ _____’s sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hillbillyjim on November 18, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama.

The coalition of the willing suspension of disbelief (aka Bull excrement). I’m so tired of the ridiculous lies.

Night all. Too much wine. Two neighbors leaving due to the economic situation in Illinois. This sucks big time…

Fallon on November 18, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Time to remove the I from the CIA acronym.

And replace it with a Y.

profitsbeard on November 18, 2012 at 3:47 AM

President of the Bakers union takes home $260k
http://www.unionfacts.com/employees/Bakery%2C_Confectionary%2C_Tobacco_Workers_%26_Grain_Millers

rayra on November 18, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Bill Maher: Benghazi is Nothing

Amazing how much better I feel…..

There Goes The Neighborhood on November 18, 2012 at 4:49 AM

I’m not getting the logic of pretending it was not an AQ attack. We were supposed to look dumb and gullible to somehow fool the enemy? Even after they “took credit” for the attack? How does this make us look competant? How does promoting Rice, who presented like an ignorant tape recorder, a little miss echo, look sensible?

And for heaven’s sake, why should the party who called our candidate a liar and a felon (when he is more honorable than any of them) expect us to “break the cycle” for a real liar?

If the GOP allows Rice to prevail and hands liar Obama that victory it will be paid back by further discord!

clnurnberg on November 18, 2012 at 5:15 AM

Now, all you need is the one link. I put everything in one place.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Your research and presentation are phenomenal. Thanks for the incredible work: a one-stop-shopping source.

onlineanalyst on November 18, 2012 at 6:52 AM

good morning-
watching fox, they say obama gave the president of thailand a photo album of us presidents…apparently the president of thailand was born in massachusetts

why? sounds even worse than the ipod full of his speeches…

cmsinaz on November 18, 2012 at 7:14 AM

why won’t someone has the cajones to say to him you boasted about saying it was an aq attack at the 2nd debate and now you’re blaming the intell community for a talking point that was edited…

man i really despise the lapdog media

cmsinaz on November 18, 2012 at 7:15 AM

listening to the thailand presser, a journalist asked if he likes thai food?

wow

oooooh a good question from wapo, why are you going to burma so prematurely with all the human rights issues…

cmsinaz on November 18, 2012 at 7:35 AM

boy it gets under his skin when journalist actually criticize his actions…

please do this more!!!i know, with this lsm, it ain’t going to happen…i’m sure he’ll do less overseas pressers if he continues to get actual questions

cmsinaz on November 18, 2012 at 7:38 AM

cmsinaz on November 18, 2012 at 7:35 AM

the lap dog media give dear leader the questions ahead of time. let him pontificate for 15 minutes, then move on to the next issue. never any follow ups.

i’m sick of it. refuse to watch at this point. but thanks for your hard work:)

renalin on November 18, 2012 at 7:55 AM

This administration never met a self-serving lie they didn’t like. Nothing to see here; move on.

College Prof on November 18, 2012 at 7:55 AM

Petraeus backed up Obama’s lie on his first appearance before King’s committee.

He lied to King and now King doesn’t have the courage to call him on it. Petraeus is trying to justify why he stood down while Obama lied to the nation for 9 weeks. He is a man without honor and too stupid to understand that he would have to be cut loose before his breach of his marriage vows became public knowledge.

Basilsbest on November 18, 2012 at 8:00 AM

where are the survivors….
going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Don’t know where they are but it sounds like this info came from them.

From Fox News: (last paragraph)
According to a source who debriefed those who were at the CIA annex that night, “When they asked for air support, they were told they could have an unarmed drone.”

if this ‘crowd’ said “hes alive”…did the hospital
staff have a go at him..??

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM

The accounting that the doctor at the hospital gave was that Amb. Stevens arrived at the hospital showing no signs of life…but they did attempt to revive him for 90 minutes.

lynncgb on November 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM

“There were legitimate intelligence and legal issues to consider, as is almost always the case when explaining classified assessments publicly.”

What are the legal issues involved with telling the American public this was Al Qeada? Defamation of character?

What tipoff do we worry about when they claimed responsibility on Facebook?

Is anybody going to point this sh*t out to the supposed geniuses in Government?

Conan on November 18, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I’m getting sick of this Benghazi embassy thing. All the dots are out their just waiting to be connected.

I’m upset that it is our government that failed and here it is two months later and they still can not or will not tell us what happened, yet most news agencies, out side of our main stream news seemed to know what happened and has reported such since 12 September.

It starts with a movie that no one has ever seen. The actors say they were hired to make a movie called “The Desert Warrior” . Could it be that some one took a real bad “B” movie, clipped it apart and over dubbed it in Arabic. Purpose only to have Muslims do what Muslims do best, “BE ENRAGED”. That is what Al Jarzeera believed back in early September.

If Al Jarzeera is right then who did it and why?

Was it some guy that we say a photo of all bundled up with dark glasses, being sent off to no one knows where for a minor parole violation? Could it be someone testing out a new weapon of mass destruction, “The Enraged Muslim” that could be selectively deployed for regime change in the Middle East. Our Government doesn’t look to good in this with all their twisting and turning but it doesn’t leave out any one else that has an interest in the Middle East, “The Russians”, Iran” or Israel come to mind.

Who Did the Raid? Reporters on the ground for Al Jarzeera said that they saw truck loads of heavily armed men arrive waving the Black Flag of Al Qaeda. This was reported on 14 September.

We are not allowed to here from any of the survivors, we are not shown any of the live video feeds that our government watched, we will never see or here any of the communications with the embassy during the attack. Only the twats and turns of our government, which does not look to good in any of this. Now we are told to believe that all the people in the upper levels of our government that were involved in this are great heros.

Why, because they tell us it is so.

jpcpt03 on November 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM

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