In this case the Social Marketplace is the forestry industry. How to design the forestry marketplace to best fill the political purposes of the eco left is the question.

Obamacare and the EPA are being used as models for how to manage any market in a top down fashion according to the whims of the eco-left. Create some regulatory agency to control the market that is pretty much outside legislative control that can write the rules pretty much on it’s own. Ideally, also make it so anyone challenging the agency for being too weak gets it’s legal bills paid by the taxpayer. What could possibly go wrong? Regulation without representation is so new age…

Meanwhile, the GOP LOSERship will scratch their heads, check their fund raisers to make sure some forestry folks on the schedule, and get back to doing nothing important or relevant.

The GD Sierra Club needs to stay the hell out of Appalachia and keep their Neanderthal ideas west of the continental divide.

Damn meddling know-nothing, do-good, never-worked-a-day-in-your-life fukkwithotherz.

If you mind your own damned business, then you won’t have time to be minding mine.

Thanks, Bocephus and friends…

And the right name for the greens is watermelon: green on the outside, red on the inside.

PattyJ on November 17, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Yup and then the progressive hate mongers here in the Portland area slam the “hicks” down in the timber counties for living of a fed welfare because they can’t cut any timber. When Josephine County voted down a new tax for police, they started arming themselves and forming neighbor hood watch patrols. The lefties in Portland called them all the typical names. What industry can they create down there? State taxes discourage new businesses from starting. Healthcare for the elderly/retirees is all thats left in southern oregon. But they’ve saved some owls and they have their coffee in stumptown. Keepin Portland weird with their gay mayor who has sex with interns in city office bathrooms. They won’t even let folks go in and clean up the knocked down/fire left overs, creating more fire hazards.

And, even with all the avid hunters we can not control the deer population. They are beautiful animals, but they breed like rats.

SC.Charlie on November 17, 2012 at 2:03 PM

But…but…Ba-a-a-ambi!!

This is an end run through the courts and nothing more. When chaining themselves to trees or burying steel traps in tree trunks to injure loggers didn’t work, this was probably the next course of action. Keep an eye on this story over the coming year and we’ll see if Washington jumps on board with forcing FSC standards.

Just remember, Jazz, that the courts are these peoples’ friends. Plenty of Activist Democrat Judges out there!

Didn’t the Sierra Club president or former president in the late 80s or early 90s try to sell old growth trees on his property about the same time eco-nuts were putting iron bars in trees to kill loggers?

I hope I am remembering correctly…his excuse was that he couldn’t make his mortgage property payment…if he didn’t sell those trees for logging, he would lose his house and land.

Does anyone remember that?

mcra99 on November 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I do remember it! Wasn’t his home built of redwoods?

SC.Charlie on November 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Amen SC.Charlie.

In Mississippi in 1933 we started a program to grow our forests, at that time having 4 million acres in pine. We now have 16 million acres in pine and take out three and a half million board feet of timber every year. Our forests are thriving places and the primary landowners are individuals such as yourself.

Pine is a crop, like corn. It takes a longer growth cycle and more careful management. We’ve shown here and many other places in the U.S. that forest management can be successful and profitable, especially for the smallest of foresters.

…why am I starting to loathe these people?

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Because you have discernment.

I hope I am remembering correctly…his excuse was that he couldn’t make his mortgage property payment…if he didn’t sell those trees for logging, he would lose his house and land.

Does anyone remember that?

The GOP doesn’t want to seem extreme. Yeah, it’s extreme to point out the extremism of the left. But the extremism isn’t going away just because you pretend to ignore it.

It’s all freaking theater.
But none of what I just stated will enter into the final analyses of people who pontificate on why Romney lost the election.

JellyToast on November 17, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Well, maybe not with the Republican establishment, but those of us down here in the trenches sure noticed it.

Good news today, one of our local legislative districts defeated the sitting chairman, a RINO and dem-lite and replaced him with someone who might actually try winning elections. We’ll see if the establishment Republicans try pushing this new guy out like they did the previous conservative.

And why not?
Why do so many people still not know or understand things like Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Dodd-Frank and what the EPA is doing? We just had a Presidential election and why wouldn’t people know this?
JellyToast on November 17, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I think that one reason that more people don’t know s that the Left is attacking the country on so many front simultaneously that it’s nearly impossible to keep up. I consider myself very well informed but had no idea about this. The eco-Marxists alone are attacking the country over coal, oil, natural gas, dams, automobiles, heavy trucks, forest management, ocean management, rivers, lakes, fishing, hunting etc.

From there move onto their assaults on the courts, the schools, US history, US sovereignty, capitalism in general, specific corporations, et al. It’s relentless and unending.

That is why I’m ready to just split the country in half and let them destroy themselves as long as they just leave us alone. If they won’t leave us alone, we declare war on them.

The fact is that stands of timber are planted and harvested as they grow. At first you do a thinning that generates revenue for the pulpwood. Then you do another thinning for pulpwood and maybe some saw timber. Then you start harvesting saw timber. Pine trees do eventually die. So then you clear cut and start all over again. This is a long process. Usually, land owners, such as myself don’t cut down the oak and other hardwoods. The wildlife diversity on my little farm is amazing and I enjoy it. Hunting does need to be done to control the deer population, since we have killed off all their natural predators. I can’t plant even plant a garden because of all the deer in this area.

SC.Charlie on November 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Yep. Trees are a crop like any other. No one is foolish enough to protest the harvesting of a field of wheat. It would be sinfully wasteful to let that stand of wheat fall to the ground and die naturally. Why do we let trees die and fall to the ground, only to rot and give off all that nasty CO2?

Push it with the language of the greenies. Cutting down trees and making them into homes or fine furniture is the best way we have of sequestering Carbon.

any spotted owl s/b any spotted owl problem.

Do you know how hard logging is with a team of horses?
Love that picture. They make it seem so easy.
BTW, all this will result in is cheaper alternatives from Canada.
Canadian lumber for a long time way was cheaper than American.
For now, it seems things are a little more even.
But I’m sure not for long.

Badger40 on November 17, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I believe the US either charges a duty on softwood imports from Canada, or bullied Canada into levying their own export tax.

I do miss the days of 99-cent 2×4′s on sale at Home Depot.

They used the Northern Spotted Owl to stop logging and virtually destroy this state as a dominant player in the logging industry. We’re coming back but it’s been a slog somewhat like taking Hamburger Hill.

Our solution is their solution – plant a few spotted owls in FSC certified forests and notify Mother Jones. A few episodes of bad press among the lib media and soon they will believe that FSC is really a cover for enemies of the cause. With luck, they’ll assume that all FSC people are anti- endangered species.

Then we will look like the reasonable people because we opposed a monopoly and besides, there wasn’t any spotted owl before there was a monopoly, right?

This script practically writes itself.

The truth is, a lot of Americans who aren’t actively involved in either the construction or forestry industries aren’t even aware of the subject.

And why not?
Why do so many people still not know or understand things like Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Dodd-Frank and what the EPA is doing? We just had a Presidential election and why wouldn’t people know this?

Because our nominee didn’t think it all that important. He wanted to keep it about jobs.

The GOP doesn’t want to seem extreme. Yeah, it’s extreme to point out the extremism of the left. But the extremism isn’t going away just because you pretend to ignore it.

It’s all freaking theater.
But none of what I just stated will enter into the final analyses of people who pontificate on why Romney lost the election.

But diehard environmentalists have it all tied up in the courts.

SC.Charlie on November 17, 2012 at 2:16 PM

At some point, someone is going to have to tell the environmentalists to go pound sand. They can express their concerns, they will be duly noted and taken into account, but a balanced approach (that term seems to be all the rage these days) will be used to produce the final plan.