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	<title>Comments on: Twinkies &#8211; and 18000 jobs &#8211; fall victim to union-management dispute; Update: Teamsters throw bakers union under the bus?</title>
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		<title>By: No More Twinkies!? - SierraLeonet.Com</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6664268</link>
		<dc:creator>No More Twinkies!? - SierraLeonet.Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Twinkies Coverage at HotAir.com: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Twinkies Coverage at HotAir.com: <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny 100 Pesos</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6524235</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny 100 Pesos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come to Canada, we have a sensible conservative leader, and we still produce Twinkies:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Twinkie and Wonder Bread lovers in the U.S. can still head north of the border to stock up on the baked goods even with the bankruptcy of Hostess Brands Inc.    
Saputo Inc. (SAP), Canada’s largest dairy processor, has the trademark and brand rights to Hostess CupCakes and Hostess Twinkies in the country and manufactures the products themselves, said Sandy Vassiadis, a spokeswoman for the company.    
“It’s totally separate,” she said, in an interview from Saputo’s headquarters near Montreal. “We own the rights in Canada so what’s happening in the U.S. doesn’t affect us.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to Canada, we have a sensible conservative leader, and we still produce Twinkies:</p>
<blockquote><p>Twinkie and Wonder Bread lovers in the U.S. can still head north of the border to stock up on the baked goods even with the bankruptcy of Hostess Brands Inc.<br />
Saputo Inc. (SAP), Canada’s largest dairy processor, has the trademark and brand rights to Hostess CupCakes and Hostess Twinkies in the country and manufactures the products themselves, said Sandy Vassiadis, a spokeswoman for the company.<br />
“It’s totally separate,” she said, in an interview from Saputo’s headquarters near Montreal. “We own the rights in Canada so what’s happening in the U.S. doesn’t affect us.” </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bryan Jacoutot&#039;s Online Resume &#8211; Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6522623</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Jacoutot&#039;s Online Resume &#8211; Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dthorny</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6519930</link>
		<dc:creator>dthorny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another example of Obowma shipping jobs overseas....or to Mexico.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/11/19/twinkies-may-be-saved-by-mexican-company/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another example of Obowma shipping jobs overseas&#8230;.or to Mexico.</p>
<p><a href="http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/11/19/twinkies-may-be-saved-by-mexican-company/" rel="nofollow">http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/11/19/twinkies-may-be-saved-by-mexican-company/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daisy_WI</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6519807</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy_WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great line from Second City Cop:

(Twinkies) that are designed to survive nuclear holocaust can&#039;t survive four more years of Obama.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great line from Second City Cop:</p>
<p>(Twinkies) that are designed to survive nuclear holocaust can&#8217;t survive four more years of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: seven</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6519781</link>
		<dc:creator>seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonder Bread is toast]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder Bread is toast</p>
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		<title>By: GWB</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6519719</link>
		<dc:creator>GWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;BCTGM&quot; sounds like one of those gender identification things.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BCTGM&#8221; sounds like one of those gender identification things&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: JackM</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6519689</link>
		<dc:creator>JackM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unions are the spawn of communism, and the tool of gangsters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unions are the spawn of communism, and the tool of gangsters.</p>
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		<title>By: The Twinkie Apocalypse and Weekend Links!</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6518070</link>
		<dc:creator>The Twinkie Apocalypse and Weekend Links!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 08:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Today, I&#8217;ve watched a number of my friends on Facebook pine away over the loss of all things Hostess, including the Twinkie &#8211; staple of the coming Zombie Apocalypse and if fried, a county fair [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Today, I&#8217;ve watched a number of my friends on Facebook pine away over the loss of all things Hostess, including the Twinkie &#8211; staple of the coming Zombie Apocalypse and if fried, a county fair [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wubu</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517319</link>
		<dc:creator>wubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Twinkies, by Suzi-Q, by Ring Dings,by Funny Bone, I&#039;ll miss the Zingers too, very sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwzKa9wJSVY&amp;feature=related]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Twinkies, by Suzi-Q, by Ring Dings,by Funny Bone, I&#8217;ll miss the Zingers too, very sad.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwzKa9wJSVY&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwzKa9wJSVY&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: hillbillyjim</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517226</link>
		<dc:creator>hillbillyjim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote.&lt;/strong&gt; Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To have this emanate from one of the staunchest pushers of the &quot;card check&quot; scheme is irony to the nth degree. 

I feel sorry for the regular Joe and Jane Sixpack out there who just wanted to go and do their job. 

Effing union greed has backfired once again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote.</strong> Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.</p></blockquote>
<p>To have this emanate from one of the staunchest pushers of the &#8220;card check&#8221; scheme is irony to the nth degree. </p>
<p>I feel sorry for the regular Joe and Jane Sixpack out there who just wanted to go and do their job. </p>
<p>Effing union greed has backfired once again.</p>
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		<title>By: » Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise &#124; Up to the hour news</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517177</link>
		<dc:creator>» Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise &#124; Up to the hour news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517161</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Even Unions admit, Unions to blame for Twinkie demise - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] likely dealt the death blow to their own jobs, as well as the jobs of thousands of Teamsters. (h/t HotAir) [Emphasis mine] In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BobMbx</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517044</link>
		<dc:creator>BobMbx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Sounds to me, from reading here that the UNIONS put themselves out of work because they tried to force the company to pay money they didn’t have. 

TX-96 on November 17, 2012 at 6:21 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo.

I wonder if we&#039;ll see the Teamsters picketing outside the offices of the bakers union for...you know, unfair labor action and all that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sounds to me, from reading here that the UNIONS put themselves out of work because they tried to force the company to pay money they didn’t have. </p>
<p>TX-96 on November 17, 2012 at 6:21 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo.</p>
<p>I wonder if we&#8217;ll see the Teamsters picketing outside the offices of the bakers union for&#8230;you know, unfair labor action and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Obamatrix</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517002</link>
		<dc:creator>Obamatrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why can&#039;t our Twinkies be made in China and please Obama?

He will have more on welfare and more supporters 

All is great]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t our Twinkies be made in China and please Obama?</p>
<p>He will have more on welfare and more supporters </p>
<p>All is great</p>
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		<title>By: gryphon202</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6517001</link>
		<dc:creator>gryphon202</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So both were at fault.

Benaiah on November 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not quite, Butch.

First of all, Interestate Bakeries, the parent company of Hostess Brands, was in receivership and had a $130,000,000 investment from a &quot;Bain-like private equity firm.&quot;  That money was used, among other things, to restore executive salaries that had been cut under the terms of Interstate&#039;s bankruptch.  All on the up-and-up, perfectly legal, and nothing at all unusual about it.

Secondly, upon receiving this investment from the &quot;Bain-like private equity firm,&quot; the plants that were going to close represented the least possible pain to the total workforce.  My understanding of it was, had the strike not occurred in the manner and at the time it did, they could have saved at least 15,000 jobs.  Now 18,500 folks are S.O.L.

Thirdly, that $130,000,000 is now a bum investment.  The bakers union, on hearing that executive salaries were restored (to pre-receivership levels), wanted more.  And understandably so.  But they weren&#039;t about to get it, and they should have known better.  Someone would have had to pour &lt;em&gt;billions&lt;/em&gt; into Interstate&#039;s pension fund in order to make good on the promises made.  Who&#039;s going to do that?  The federales?

Indeed, I think the unions shoulder most of the blame here.  They had a Hobson&#039;s choice, and they thought they were calling a bluff when it was no bluff at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So both were at fault.</p>
<p>Benaiah on November 16, 2012 at 11:47 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite, Butch.</p>
<p>First of all, Interestate Bakeries, the parent company of Hostess Brands, was in receivership and had a $130,000,000 investment from a &#8220;Bain-like private equity firm.&#8221;  That money was used, among other things, to restore executive salaries that had been cut under the terms of Interstate&#8217;s bankruptch.  All on the up-and-up, perfectly legal, and nothing at all unusual about it.</p>
<p>Secondly, upon receiving this investment from the &#8220;Bain-like private equity firm,&#8221; the plants that were going to close represented the least possible pain to the total workforce.  My understanding of it was, had the strike not occurred in the manner and at the time it did, they could have saved at least 15,000 jobs.  Now 18,500 folks are S.O.L.</p>
<p>Thirdly, that $130,000,000 is now a bum investment.  The bakers union, on hearing that executive salaries were restored (to pre-receivership levels), wanted more.  And understandably so.  But they weren&#8217;t about to get it, and they should have known better.  Someone would have had to pour <em>billions</em> into Interstate&#8217;s pension fund in order to make good on the promises made.  Who&#8217;s going to do that?  The federales?</p>
<p>Indeed, I think the unions shoulder most of the blame here.  They had a Hobson&#8217;s choice, and they thought they were calling a bluff when it was no bluff at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Munford</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516994</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy Munford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Hotair says nothing.

Dave Rywall on November 16, 2012 at 4:44 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While you are pointing out the ridiculous salaries of executives, do you want to spend a minute on the U.S. Postal Service and Freddie Mac/Sallie Mae?  Both of those entities are repeatedly bailed out by the tax payers, what say you.  Oh, and I&#039;m still waiting for my dividends from GM, now that Obama has turned them into a flourishing concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hotair says nothing.</p>
<p>Dave Rywall on November 16, 2012 at 4:44 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>While you are pointing out the ridiculous salaries of executives, do you want to spend a minute on the U.S. Postal Service and Freddie Mac/Sallie Mae?  Both of those entities are repeatedly bailed out by the tax payers, what say you.  Oh, and I&#8217;m still waiting for my dividends from GM, now that Obama has turned them into a flourishing concern.</p>
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		<title>By: hawkdriver</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516978</link>
		<dc:creator>hawkdriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the seventies: Hungry? Eat Your Import!

Now: Hungry? Eat Your Union Card!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the seventies: Hungry? Eat Your Import!</p>
<p>Now: Hungry? Eat Your Union Card!</p>
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		<title>By: fistbump</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516938</link>
		<dc:creator>fistbump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very sorry for the people who lost thier jobs especially in this economy as previously stated.I would be curious to know what the total loss was to the unions. Once againg the unions are still in business and it&#039;s again the actual worker bees who suffered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sorry for the people who lost thier jobs especially in this economy as previously stated.I would be curious to know what the total loss was to the unions. Once againg the unions are still in business and it&#8217;s again the actual worker bees who suffered.</p>
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		<title>By: Can Unions Get Any More Moronic? &#171; Steven Birn Speaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can Unions Get Any More Moronic? &#171; Steven Birn Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hostess is going out of business because their employee union refuses to take an 8% pay cut. Unable to withstand a nationwide strike, Hostess is closing up shop costing 18,000 people their jobs. What a victory for workers! Rather than let the man cut their salaries by 8% they&#8217;re going to be cut by 100%. This is about more than Twinkies and those wonderful fruit pies. (I love Hostess strawberry pies but haven&#8217;t been able to find one in years) This is about a union hellbent on the destruction of its own constituents. How does the union action in this case help workers, 18,000 of which will now be unemployed? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hostess is going out of business because their employee union refuses to take an 8% pay cut. Unable to withstand a nationwide strike, Hostess is closing up shop costing 18,000 people their jobs. What a victory for workers! Rather than let the man cut their salaries by 8% they&#8217;re going to be cut by 100%. This is about more than Twinkies and those wonderful fruit pies. (I love Hostess strawberry pies but haven&#8217;t been able to find one in years) This is about a union hellbent on the destruction of its own constituents. How does the union action in this case help workers, 18,000 of which will now be unemployed? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TX-96</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516833</link>
		<dc:creator>TX-96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds to me, from reading here that the UNIONS put themselves out of work because they tried to force the company to pay money they didn&#039;t have.  That does not work.  SO, now these fools are unemployed.  Thats not too bright.  Oh wait, it&#039;s a union....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me, from reading here that the UNIONS put themselves out of work because they tried to force the company to pay money they didn&#8217;t have.  That does not work.  SO, now these fools are unemployed.  Thats not too bright.  Oh wait, it&#8217;s a union&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: watertown</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516825</link>
		<dc:creator>watertown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, I’m ignorant on the laws and policies of unions and companies, so I don’t understand why companies don’t just fire everyone and hire new people when employees in unions go on strike? What laws/mechanisms prevent them from doing so? I ask because strikes seem to be the main way Unions hold companies hostage. . .

cmsciulli on November 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In most cases it is a breech of contract if you go on strike during your contract.  We have that clause in our contract which more or less states that if you go on strike your voluntarily giving up your employment. Now what happens when the contract is up and your in negotiations is fair game. You can go on strike but be ready for replacements to come in ect ect.

Also, here in WI, unless it changed, if your on strike for 1 year the union is busted then. The place of work is no longer a closed shop. Our union would still be on strike for the last 10 years before they came back within 15 days of that deadline :P


Take it from me people, talking to the higher ups in unions is like talking to a wall. 

Mood is changing at my place though. We do not mind union, I think its because most of us understand that you need to work with the company your working for, sadly our plant reps for the unions dont know what negotiating means, and this is why over a dozen places within 40 miles of us all make at least 3 dollars a hour MORE starting than what our top pay is. These places do pretty much same are of production and a few are very similar of ours, and pay much better. Then you look at turnover of our place vs others...you know where you need to know 10 people that worked there over ours, where 90% do not make it past 5 years.


Enough babbling from me cept for one more thing... these people out of work are going to have a hard time finding a job not only because the econ stinks, but when HR is looking at your former employment... they see that you worked there... your moving down to the bottom of the pile. This is another issue we got to deal with first hand here...talk about shooting yourself in the foot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, I’m ignorant on the laws and policies of unions and companies, so I don’t understand why companies don’t just fire everyone and hire new people when employees in unions go on strike? What laws/mechanisms prevent them from doing so? I ask because strikes seem to be the main way Unions hold companies hostage. . .</p>
<p>cmsciulli on November 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>In most cases it is a breech of contract if you go on strike during your contract.  We have that clause in our contract which more or less states that if you go on strike your voluntarily giving up your employment. Now what happens when the contract is up and your in negotiations is fair game. You can go on strike but be ready for replacements to come in ect ect.</p>
<p>Also, here in WI, unless it changed, if your on strike for 1 year the union is busted then. The place of work is no longer a closed shop. Our union would still be on strike for the last 10 years before they came back within 15 days of that deadline :P</p>
<p>Take it from me people, talking to the higher ups in unions is like talking to a wall. </p>
<p>Mood is changing at my place though. We do not mind union, I think its because most of us understand that you need to work with the company your working for, sadly our plant reps for the unions dont know what negotiating means, and this is why over a dozen places within 40 miles of us all make at least 3 dollars a hour MORE starting than what our top pay is. These places do pretty much same are of production and a few are very similar of ours, and pay much better. Then you look at turnover of our place vs others&#8230;you know where you need to know 10 people that worked there over ours, where 90% do not make it past 5 years.</p>
<p>Enough babbling from me cept for one more thing&#8230; these people out of work are going to have a hard time finding a job not only because the econ stinks, but when HR is looking at your former employment&#8230; they see that you worked there&#8230; your moving down to the bottom of the pile. This is another issue we got to deal with first hand here&#8230;talk about shooting yourself in the foot.</p>
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		<title>By: watertown</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516820</link>
		<dc:creator>watertown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wait until those Walmart workers go walk out on Black friday.... a story I do not think that has been covered here yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait until those Walmart workers go walk out on Black friday&#8230;. a story I do not think that has been covered here yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Dollayo</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516803</link>
		<dc:creator>Dollayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The parasites have devoured their host-ess]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parasites have devoured their host-ess</p>
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		<title>By: John Kettlewell</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/16/twinkies-fall-victim-to-union-management-dispute/comment-page-4/#comment-6516688</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kettlewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CEO was on either CNBC or Bloomberg West this morning, I forget which, and it was informative. One may look for that interview to hear him speak.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEO was on either CNBC or Bloomberg West this morning, I forget which, and it was informative. One may look for that interview to hear him speak.</p>
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