Twinkies – and 18000 jobs – fall victim to union-management dispute; Update: Teamsters throw bakers union under the bus?

posted at 10:31 am on November 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Hooked on Ho-Hos?  Find Ding-Dongs delectable?  Were Twinkies an indelible (if particularly edible) part of your childhood?  Be prepared to consign them all and many other junk-food delicacies to nostalgia.  Hostess, which has made these sugary staples for years, announced this morning that they will liquidate their business and end production after failing to negotiate new labor contracts with several unions.  Along with these confections, 18,000 jobs will also disappear:

“We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” said Gregory F. Rayburn, chief executive officer. “Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off most of its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”

About one-third of the company’s workers are union members who are unhappy about the company’s cutbacks during its bankruptcy reorganization.

But problems with several unions — including the Bakery, Confectionery, and Tobacco workers and the Grain Millers International Union — have prevented the company from moving forward. Hostess said it will seek bankruptcy court permission to sell all of its assets. The company said bakery production has already shut down.

Without much more data than this, it’s impossible to say whether the unions or the company has been unreasonable in this dispute, or whether it might be a blend of both, as is usually the case. Sugary snacks like the kind Hostess produces have fallen out of political favor, certainly, but I doubt that sales have dropped dramatically. They have been a ubiquitous presence in supermarkets, convenience stores, and kid’s lunch bags since before I was a child, and in moderation don’t do any harm to anyone who is otherwise healthy.

Those aren’t the only places where Hostess-brand snacks have impacted the culture, either. Twinkies have especially captured the cultural imagination, and in one notable case, the legal imagination.  When Dan White stood trial for the 1978 murders of Harvey Milk and George Moscone in San Francisco, his attorneys tried to argue that White had a diminished capacity to form an intent to murder, thanks to depression that became intensified by consumption of large amounts of sugary snacks.  The media dubbed this the “Twinkie Defense,” and it proved successful, as White only got a seven-year sentence.  California eliminated its diminished-capacity defense shortly afterward.

On a more fun note, we’ll always have this scene from Ghostbusters:

That used to be a big Twinkie.  Perhaps all sides can take one last deep breath and try working together to save 18,000 jobs rather than see an American institution disappear, along with a lot of livelihoods.

Update: I updated the headline to highlight the jobs as well as the Twinkies.  Also, the jobs lost were nationwide, not in Texas, so I deleted that reference.

Update II: Like I said, I haven’t paid much attention to this fight, so I don’t have a lot of insight into whether labor or management has been more unreasonable.  However, the Teamsters’ web site seems to lay the blame on the Bakery, Confectionary, Tobacco and Grain Millers International Union (BCTGM) for refusing to go along with the Teamsters to accept the last offer from Hostess:

In fact, when Hostess attempted to throw out its collective bargaining agreement with the Teamsters in court, the Teamsters fought back and won, ensuring that Hostess could not unilaterally make changes to working conditions during the several months’ long legal process that recently ended. Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot.  More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

The BCTGM chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.

On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven’t even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike. We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case.

That’s a pretty remarkable statement from the Teamsters.

Update (MKH): Just a little background. There’s a lot going on, here, though the bakers union strike was certainly the last straw for Hostess. The company has been in bankruptcy twice in the last decade, and as Allahpundit notes, the culture of organics and calorie-counting was working against them.

But the bakers union deserved to get thrown under the bus by the Teamsters because it looks like they threw the Teamsters under the bus, first. The Teamsters and the bakers worked together to come to a deal with Hostess in September. The bakers were quiet during negotiations, and apparently pulled a surprise move when they rejected the deal.

Hostess, which also owns Ding Dongs, Ho Hos, Wonder Bread and other celebrated baked goods, has been in Chapter 11 since January, its second such filing in a decade. The key parties have been two major hedge funds and two big unions, and they’ve been fighting over wages and pensions. Hostess contends givebacks are needed for the company to emerge from bankruptcy. The unions respond they’ve given up enough. Last month, Hostess made what it said was its “last, best offer.” CEO Greg Rayburn told Fortune that union rejection would result in the company immediately filing to liquidate—and putting thousands of employees out of work. Union members were faced with a Hobson’s choice: accept drastic concession or lose their jobs.

Late last Friday the largest unions—the Teamsters—announced that by a narrow vote, 53.6% to 46.4%, its Hostess rank-and-file had approved the new collective bargaining agreement. (Out of 7,900 Teamsters voting at the company, slightly more than half cast votes). Rayburn and Teamsters leadership both offered up measured words about the “difficult” decision.

But shortly thereafter, word came that the 7,000 employees of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union had rejected Hostess’ proposal. (No details of the vote were announced, though some press reports suggested there were only voice votes at locals rather than a written mail tally.) Though the leader of the bakers’ union in recent weeks had excoriated the proposal, the rejection was nonetheless curious. That’s because the bakers’ union had been quiescent for months in bankruptcy court, letting the Teamsters engage Hostess management and the hedge funds over the company’s demands to restructure by scuttling existing labor agreements.

This is what the deal looked like. It sounds like the Teamsters really did make sacrifices, and many of them were crossing the bakers’ picket line to keep the company functioning:

The proposed new labor deal consists of an immediate 8% wage cut and work rules more favorable to the company. Employer contributions for health insurance would decrease 17%. Hostess contributions to multi-employer pension plans would cease until 2015, at which point the current required level of funding would plummet from $100 million to $25 million. According to Rayburn, the proposal has been endorsed by Hostess’s key secured lenders, which are led by hedge funds Silver Point Capital and Monarch Alternative Capital. One estimate put cost savings for Hostess in the neighborhood of $200 million.

For their part, the unions would receive two seats on a restructured nine-member board of directors and 25% of equity. That would make the unions part of Hostess’ capital structure for the first time.

Maybe they can still come to some deal. I’m guessing after the company’s previous threats to shut down, the bakers might have thought they were bluffing. The deal the Teamsters took was painful, but it’s because the company was truly in dire straits. The roughly 6,000 bakers are really handing a raw deal to 12,000 of their colleagues. And, barring that, the brand is still worth money. It won’t immediately help those who will lose their jobs in this dispute, but Twinkies may be back owned by someone new, their labor obligations vacated, and likely in a right-to-work state.


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Thug.

And BISHOP!

UltimateBob on May 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

You know, I hope Trumpka gets a lap band too.
He’ll take up less space when his peers finally bury him under that next fancy stadium.

HornetSting on May 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Douchebag Trumpka. What difference does it make?

they lie on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I would love to watch that piece of crap stroke out.

Flange on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Them’s starting wages, ya know. Good employees usually go up from that.

Bob's Kid on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

“Walmart’s recent announcement of a plan to hire returning honorably discharged veterans is more about public relations than honoring our heroes.”

(“…unlike my grandstanding here today…”)

–Trumka

dominigan on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Two words:

“There will be blood”

BobMbx on May 9, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Local grocer Meijer is unionized; my wife worked there for like eight years. She NEVER rose to $8.81 in wages.

Cry me a river, Trumka.

The Schaef on May 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM

When I mustered out of the Navy in the early 70′s, I would have happily accepted a job offer from anyone. Unions played no small part in my inability to find work. Mr. Trumka needs to slither back under the rock from where he emerged. Labor unions have outlived there purpose and usefulness.

oldleprechaun on May 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Hey Mr. Trumka! If you think veterans are worth more than $8.81/hour, you’re welcome to hire them with your own money.

If you’re trying to tell Walmart how to manage its own finances, take a hike.

Mohonri on May 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Apparently, he thinks veterans are being forced to take these jobs.

CurtZHP on May 9, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Even thugs have become publicity hounds in Obama’s America.

MTF on May 9, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Union Mafia boss Trumka

bazil9 on May 9, 2013 at 12:51 PM

waaaaaaaaaaa

cmsinaz on May 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Unions have had longtime beef with Walmart, and it can’t help their mood that union membership across the country is steadily declining

Which is a reason Trumka is so upset. Declining membership means declining dues, which means the means of supporting Trumka’s lifestyle is declining.

Soon, thanks to employers who’s workers aren’t unionized, Trumka might have to start dining at fast food places off the value menu and be forced to consume cups of noodles nuked at home, and forced to have his wife do the family shopping at Walmart.

And that would be a darned shame.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Ask the veterans.

OldEnglish on May 9, 2013 at 12:55 PM

The Fortune 500 list just came out for 2013.

WalMart, #1. “eroding brand”. LOL

kirkill on May 9, 2013 at 12:56 PM

On that pic, is that the real-life, grown-up Eric Cartman?

Valkyriepundit on May 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM

…rather than as symbols used to “greenwash” Walmart’s eroding brand

If he wants to talk about “eroding brands”, he just needs to look in the mirror. What a maroon!

KS Rex on May 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM

If it wasn’t for the likes of this dirtbag Trumpka and his ilk, perhaps decent companies could pay more, but no, Unionized workers gotta have it all don’t they at the expense of the poor to low middle calls working man and woman…

Shut yer pie-hole Trumpka…

*spit*

Scrumpy on May 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM

calls=class oopsie

Scrumpy on May 9, 2013 at 12:58 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

No, but it’s an option for those that want it. They also have the perfect right to NOT take the job.

Options… something a union does not like giving people.

kim roy on May 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Short, fat angry man is angry.

BigWyo on May 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM

You know, I hope Trumpka gets a lap band too.
He’ll take up less space when his peers finally bury him under that next fancy stadium.

HornetSting on May 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Maybe they can bury him next to Tamerlan.

22044 on May 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM

The PR initiative is strong here, yes. Banks also hire veterans in droves using their service experience in lieu of years on-the-job training.

The dude think these wages are low, (which they are), because he makes like $10 million a year. Then again, if I were a vet and I returned to less than $9 an hour…major depression would ensue.

Makes me wonder why we need all these “initiatives” to hire vets anyway. Are they damaged goods? Are they dumb/useless to begin with? I doubt it, but that is the impression all this PR stuff gives me. More troubling is that many go on disability for life, which also supports their spouses, who never work.

antisense on May 9, 2013 at 1:01 PM

No, but it’s an option for those that want it. They also have the perfect right to NOT take the job.

Options… something a union does not like giving people.

kim roy on May 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Damn straight.

antisense on May 9, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I have never seen someone who deserves a boot in the ass more than he does.

SurferDoc on May 9, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Rawr! Trumka smash!

oryguncon on May 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Trumka

Communist, period.

PappyD61 on May 9, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I have never seen someone who deserves a boot in the ass more than he does.

Or the kisser. Makes no difference to me.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Flange on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Even though I don’t like Trumpka, that was probably a bit much.

VibrioCocci on May 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Trumka

Communist, period.

“Progressives” all pushing hard and fast, because the window of opportunity in obtaining their objectives is getting smaller.

The clock is ticking.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM

If it wasn’t for the likes of this dirtbag Trumpka and his ilk, perhaps decent companies could pay more, but no, Unionized workers gotta have it all don’t they at the expense of the poor to low middle calls working man and woman…

Shut yer pie-hole Trumpka…

*spit*

Scrumpy on May 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Little missy, you are spitting an awful lot today. I feel your pain. :)

HornetSting on May 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM

What union does Trumka think the veterans-turned-Walmart-employees would have joined if they didn’t have any job at all?

J.S.K. on May 9, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Can the fat little pig Trumpka get them UAW union cards? Didn’t think so.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Okay, okay, “union boss” is one way to describe him. “Scumbag” is more accurate.

John the Libertarian on May 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Why don’t military veterans have first shot at fat cushy overpaid federal jobs, just as a matter of policy?

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Trumpka hates veterans. Trumpka hates America.

rbj on May 9, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Why don’t military veterans have first shot at fat cushy overpaid federal jobs, just as a matter of policy?

I thought there was a system that the federal government had in place which is favorable to hiring vets.

Of course the really fat, cushy overpaid federal jobs usually go to retired high ranking officers.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

You got a better offer for them fat boy? Didn’t think so.

And BTW, starting out with a part-time job and some ambition is still a heck of a lot better deal than getting hired on to some job where you have to rely on fat pigs like you for contract negotiations with the boss.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Why don’t military veterans have first shot at fat cushy overpaid federal jobs, just as a matter of policy?

Then we would be critical of the fat, cushy, overpaid military veterans instead of the politicians with the same moniker.

VibrioCocci on May 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I just read where RUGER is coming out with a new firearm in honor of Union Honchos, it is called the THUG.
It never works and can’t be fired.

fourdeucer on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

You know, I hope Trumpka gets a lap band too.
He’ll take up less space when his peers finally bury him under that next fancy stadium.

HornetSting on May 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM

They can give him an enema and bury him in a shoebox.

Ward Cleaver on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Er, so what if it’s a PR thing? In this country and in this day and age, it is worth companies’ while to maintain a good public image

ja, who actually cares the poor sod veterans anyway.

sesquipedalian on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Local grocer Meijer is unionized; my wife worked there for like eight years. She NEVER rose to $8.81 in wages.

The Schaef on May 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Hey, it’s not all bad. My co-worker’s kid got his first job as a bagger at Meijer. The shock of what he had left after taxes and union dues being taken out was a great life lesson.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

You got a better offer for them fat boy? Didn’t think so.

He’s upset that a major retailer and employer isn’t wrapped around his finger to whom he can dictate terms for his members, while at the same time siphoning off considerable sums of money from those members’ paychecks to sustain the level of lifestyle and political power to which he has comfortably been acostomed.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Idiot doesn’t even know what the term “greenwash” means.

Ward Cleaver on May 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Okay, okay, “union boss” is one way to describe him. “Scumbag” is more accurate.

John the Libertarian on May 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM

OHHHHHH! The scumbags are not going to like that comparison.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:21 PM

He’s upset that a major retailer and employer isn’t wrapped around his finger to whom he can dictate terms for his members, while at the same time siphoning off considerable sums of money from those members’ paychecks to sustain the level of lifestyle and political power to which he has comfortably been acostomed.

hawkeye54 on May 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Yeah, this really isn’t about anything other than the fact that the unions have not made inroads at major retailers like Wal-Mart and Home Depot. Which makes his faux outrage about the treatment of returning vets all the more disgusting. There isn’t anybody on the left that gives a rip about vets or their needs. Just look at the way the VA treats vets under this President. It can be close to two years in some states before the VA gets around to processing a claim.

Happy Nomad on May 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Already, working families and our economy are struggling against an epidemic of low-paying, low-benefit, part-time work. Instead of legitimizing that trend, we need to treat the talents of our veterans—and of all of America’s people—as a critical national resource.

Yet he has no truck with illegal aliens that have taken manual labor jobs (like in construction) that used to belong to Americans, depressing wages in the process. Some of those even used to be union jobs. Hypocrite.

Ward Cleaver on May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Don’t see the unions offering anything comparable.

RonK on May 9, 2013 at 1:27 PM

VibrioCocci on May 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM

I don’t.

Flange on May 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM

ja, who actually cares the poor sod veterans anyway.

sesquipedalian on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Especially someone like you who sees them alternately as murderers or idiot hillbillies. Take your phony concern and go somewhere else.

Ward Cleaver on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Since Trumka looks like a gangster, talks like a gangster and acts like a gangster, my guess is that he is a gangster.

bw222 on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

We need businesses in this country to step up and make family-sustaining jobs available to returning veterans. Previous generations of heroes returned from overseas service to critical jobs in manufacturing, construction and public service, jobs that enabled veterans to help build the nation and support families. With the right policies, including those in President Obama and Vice President Biden’s American Jobs Act, we can live up to the standards of our past and empower our veterans for the future.

The unions drove up factory wages to levels that made them uncompetitive, and construction work is done by illegal aliens, which Trumka doesn’t talk about. As for public service jobs, the public sector is already bloated, and the public sector doesn’t grow the economy the way the private sector does.

Ward Cleaver on May 9, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Why does he assume that the only jobs that Walmart has to offer are of the shelf stocker variety? Those jobs are for the truly unskilled. However, each store does require supervisors and managers. Walmart also has oodles of distribution centers and does employ a lot of truck drivers which are full time relatively high paying jobs. Not to mention those they can hire in their headquarters. Trumka’s comments only goes to show just how low he regards our returning veterans in assuming that the only job they would be offered are those near minimum wage ones.

JohnnyL on May 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

ja, who actually cares the poor sod veterans anyway.

sesquipedalian on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

You’ve hired how many ?

Jabberwock on May 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

So the government needs to stem the decline of unions? 600K WalMarter have a gun to their poor heads? If I were in a union, the first ting I’d do is get rid of Trunka. May not be dumb; but looks dumb. Next impression, thug. Unions only steal from their members to the fortune of their leaders.

StevC on May 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

It is also good for company’s bottom lines to “be green” and reduce their environmental footprints

I wouldn’t be too sure of that. I make a point of avoiding businesses that tell me how green they are.

Stoic Patriot on May 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Why does he assume that the only jobs that Walmart has to offer are of the shelf stocker variety? Those jobs are for the truly unskilled. However, each store does require supervisors and managers. Walmart also has oodles of distribution centers and does employ a lot of truck drivers which are full time relatively high paying jobs. Not to mention those they can hire in their headquarters. Trumka’s comments only goes to show just how low he regards our returning veterans in assuming that the only job they would be offered are those near minimum wage ones.

JohnnyL on May 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Because that’s what was on his script.

Do you really think this fat little a§hole uses terms like “valorized?”

bigmacdaddy on May 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Since Trumka looks like a gangster, talks like a gangster and acts like a gangster, my guess is that he is a gangster.

bw222 on May 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Many more Mafia connections in the REB’s administration than we know: Penny Pritzker’s Organized Crime Connections

(c/o those Reich-Wingers at el Nacion magazine!)

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 2:02 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

This is a non sequitur. Nowhere is it stated or even implied that Wal-Mart jobs are all the veterans are capable of, or that it’s all they’re being offered.

What is said, essentially boils down to “Hey, if you need a job, we’ll hire you.” Lots won’t need a job. They’ll get better jobs somewhere else, or they will start their own business, or find some other opportunity. But for those that want a job and are having trouble finding one, Wal-Mart is saying that they can help.

And Michelle agrees:

“Wal-Mart is setting a groundbreaking example for the private sector to follow.”

Clearly, it’s the Obamas hope that other businesses will follow Wal-Mart’s lead here, perhaps those paying more than $8.81 an hour.

Now, a software development company isn’t necessarily going to follow the lead, because it appears that Wal-Mart is offering no real conditions on their offer. For a company like mine, we’d have to offer the “qualified” condition. However, I can guarantee you that if we’re looking at two identical candidates (yes, I know…there’s no such thing), but one is a veteran, my recommendation would be for the veteran.

And no, I didn’t serve. I watched too many “Born on the 4th of July” type movies growing up, and at the time I was disinterested in the military. That’s my loss.

Chris of Rights on May 9, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Could someone bury this fat faced f**k under some concrete?

F_This on May 9, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The last time we raised the minumum wage we had an economic collapse, that’s just a fact.

Wagthatdog on May 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Unions only steal from their members to the fortune of their leaders.

StevC on May 9, 2013 at 2:01 PM

You mean that the union members don’t get to “collectively bargain” the pay/benefit/pension packages the leaders get??? That seems fundamentally unjust, and someone should march for the formation of a “union voice” to help balance the power of “Big Union Leader”.
“Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho!..Union Leader monopoly has got to go!!”

Mimzey on May 9, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Hey Dickless T., how many jobs have you created? Other than in your union office?

GarandFan on May 9, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Nice to hear from the Shark Jumpers Local 101.

RSbrewer on May 9, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I suppose he figures some of these vets are better off homeless than working.

kens on May 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Didn’t Trumka have lap dance surgery or something?

Sherman1864 on May 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Why don’t military veterans have first shot at fat cushy overpaid federal jobs, just as a matter of policy?

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2013 at 1:13 PM

We do. Disabled veterans (and that includes vastly more than those who lost body parts) have up to a 30% hiring preference for federal civil service jobs (including DoD civilians, Border Patrol, National Forest Service, and on and on…).

One problem is that so many veterans are coming back from the wars that the system is incredibly overtaxed. I left the service in 2008, and first approached the VA in 2009. It took from then until two months ago for me to get my final disability rating. Only now can I BEGIN to look for a civil service job with any real chance of having an equal footing to the other thousands of vets looking for jobs.

Another problem is that due to sequestration and other spending concerns that predate sequestration, many federal civil service jobs are not being advertised/filled. There are plenty of jobs available in healthcare, which is great if you’re a healthcare professional, and plenty of jobs cutting brush/operating bulldozers in podunk nowhere for the Forestry service, but I haven’t seen any of the typical jobs for returning vets (DoD civilians) advertised.

Combine the glut of new vets with a shortage of federal civil service position availability, and vets simply don’t have the traditional secondary career options available to us anymore. It’s a great thing to be able to flash the VA card and get some kind of job, no questions asked, while we’re waiting for things to settle down.

So with all the respect due to the lowest of dirty, thieving, un-American slimes, FU Trumka.

James on May 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM

I would love to watch that piece of crap stroke out.

Flange on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

He might, he’s fat and angry :), not a good combination, his heart for sure doesn’t appreciate it :)

jimver on May 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

The only reason most of them are part time now is because of obumblescare. Before that, a lot more of them were full time.

And guess what? That’s a good starting point for a 21 or 22 year old kid with no college, who has been in the infantry for a few years since high school and has fairly minimal skills that DIRECTLY translate into the civilian job market. However, the skills they do have from the military, that civilian employers desperately want/need – like showing up for work on time, wearing the right uniform, following orders, getting the job done right, attention to detail, working well with diverse types of people, not showing up drunk or stoned, etc – WILL lead to quick promotions and raises.

dentarthurdent on May 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

After facing enemies abroad, is an $8.81 an hour part-time job the best we can offer returning veterans?

Besides – if it’s a part time job, the vet can take advantage of his/her GI Bill benefits to go to school (with living expenses as well) so he/she can get move up into management sooner or get a better paying job.

dentarthurdent on May 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM

How many jobs is Trumpka creating right now? Is he hiring?

guido911 on May 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

It’s the first I’ve heard of this initiative.

This week, I’m going shopping at Walmart.

Though between you and me, wouldn’t a combat veteran prefer working at Target?

Johnny 100 Pesos on May 9, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Makes me wonder why we need all these “initiatives” to hire vets anyway. Are they damaged goods? Are they dumb/useless to begin with? I doubt it, but that is the impression all this PR stuff gives me. More troubling is that many go on disability for life, which also supports their spouses, who never work.

antisense on May 9, 2013 at 1:01 PM

You make it seem like we wanted to be on disability. You sir are an asshole.

ricnrolle on May 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Fat Joe Stalin is angry.

ThePrez on May 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM

if I were a progressive who didn’t honor NDAs I could tell some horror stories in airline industry.
I’ll just say I refuse to fly.

dmacleo on May 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM

The Schaef on May 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM

As of tomorrow, I’ll be making $8.65 an hr. @ Wally. Tomorrow is my 2 year hire anniversary. Next year at this time, I’ll be making over 9 bucks an hour. I NEVER made this much in the union shops.
Trumka can suck it!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

We need businesses in this country to step up and make family-sustaining jobs available to returning veterans.

My favorite Trumka quote. As if businesses should say to vets, “Here’s $50,000 a year. Oh, you got four kids? OK, here’s $60,000. What’s that – you want to live in a high-cost area? Oh, all right, here’s $80,000. By the way… what can you do?”

Marcola on May 9, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I would love to watch that piece of crap stroke out.

Flange on May 9, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I vote for stroke, too……..right in front of Obama during a meal or whatever else two men do together….

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 4:09 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Did I misread your comment? You’re no longer working for a “local university” in our shared city we both live in? ;)

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Hey, Trumka….don’t you have an underwater coal mine to investigate somewhere, personally.
What a schmuck!

Another Drew on May 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Never worked there. Spawn’s a student. Naw, I’m just a Wally drone. It’s better than robbing banks. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Big Union needs to be broken up.

tom daschle concerned on May 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

I vote for stroke, too……..right in front of Obama during a meal or whatever else two men do together….

avagreen on May 9, 2013 at 4:09 PM

These 2 jack@sses wouldn’t know what MEN do together.
“Thay Barky, lets go DO some skeets, and then go shopping for some new mom jeans…”

dentarthurdent on May 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

As of tomorrow, I’ll be making $8.65 an hr. @ Wally. Tomorrow is my 2 year hire anniversary. Next year at this time, I’ll be making over 9 bucks an hour. I NEVER made this much in the union shops.
Trumka can suck it!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

My oldest son is graduating from college next week, and turned down an offer from Walmart for an Assistant Manager position. Well, I’m not sure he really turned it down. He said they sent him an offer different than what was talked about in his interviews and job shadow, then rescinded the offer, then changed the offer, then possibly rescinded that, then sent him a new employee orientation schedule – without him ever responding to any of it. He said they were just too confused to even consider – so he accepted to go with Enterprise (car rental).

My Mom worked for Sam’s and Walmart many years ago. Got fired from Sam’s for not exceeding her demo quotas by enough, then quit Walmart after being reprimanded for catching a shoplifter at the door.

Regardless, I still have a Sam’s membership and shop a lot there and at Walmart.

dentarthurdent on May 9, 2013 at 5:31 PM

ja, who actually cares the poor sod veterans anyway.

sesquipedalian on May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM

All right jackwad, how many have you hired lately?

Oldnuke on May 9, 2013 at 6:34 PM

dentarthurdent on May 9, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Walmart’s been good to me+Spawn’s been working there for almost a year. I can’t complain.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Boo freaking hoo, you corrupt POS. Cry me a river.

Not a big fan of Walmart and a lot of their policies, but this ain’t one of them. Anything that discomfits Trumpka I am a big fan of.

sage0925 on May 9, 2013 at 8:40 PM

ROTFLOL. Wal-Mart reguarly hires trailer park residents with criminal records and you’re bawling about military vets? Give me a break!

MelonCollie on May 9, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Trumka is expressing false outrage. What he really wants is for Walmart to have offered higher than their normal entry-level wages to vet so that he can then hammer Walmart in front of non-vet employees with the “see they can pay more, why don’t they pay you as much” line and try to get them to vote for a union.

Russ808 on May 9, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Trumka is expressing false outrage. What he really wants is for Walmart to have offered higher than their normal entry-level wages to vet so that he can then hammer Walmart in front of non-vet employees with the “see they can pay more, why don’t they pay you as much” line and try to get them to vote for a union.

Russ808 on May 9, 2013 at 11:10 PM

It’s also because like most lefties he loathes the military.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Already, working families and our economy are struggling against an epidemic of low-paying, low-benefit, part-time work.

Wait a minute….

Is trumka telling us with this statement that, 5 years into his messiah’s reign, we’re facing an “epidemic” of crappy jobs?

Is there a hostage video in this guy’s near future???

runawayyyy on May 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Is trumka telling us with this statement that, 5 years into his messiah’s reign, we’re facing an “epidemic” of crappy jobs?

Is there a hostage video in this guy’s near future???

runawayyyy on May 10, 2013 at 12:55 PM

I don’t get the part about a hostage video, but it should be obvious to everyone but the trolls that we have an epidemic of crappy, low-paying jobs. And as pointed out a few days ago, even IF you manage to combine 2-3 part-time junk jobs to get the same net income, it’s still not the same.

MelonCollie on May 12, 2013 at 1:15 PM