Quotes of the day

posted at 10:13 pm on November 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

In the countless hours I spent in Romney’s presence during his first White House run (and mostly from a greater distance during his second bid), I saw a man who was preternaturally upbeat, well-meaning, and kind to just about everyone he encountered, friends and strangers alike.

But I also saw a candidate who seemed by nature almost uniquely ill-equipped to appeal to the young and minority voters who ended up playing a key role in his electoral demise.

Members of the press who traveled with Romney in 2007 and early 2008 began slowly to pick up on what would become an established media narrative by the time Romney was the 2012 front-runner: The former Massachusetts governor didn’t just have a difficult time relating to young and minority voters, he often came across as a walking-talking time warp from the 1950s…

After wrapping up the Republican nomination four years later, he toned down the hokey tales from his youth. But instead of making a concerted effort to cut into President Obama’s advantages with key groups, Romney and his chief strategists seemed to bury their heads in the sand, predicating their hopes for victory on an assumption that young voters and minorities would turn out in lesser numbers than they did in 2008.

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Compassionate conservatism always struck me as a philosophical surrender to liberal assumptions about the role of the government in our lives. A hallmark of Great Society liberalism is the idea that an individual’s worth as a human being is correlated to his support for massive expansions of the entitlement state. Conservatives are not uncompassionate. (Indeed, the data show that conservatives are more charitable with their own money and more generous with their time than liberals are.) But, barring something like a natural disaster, they believe that government is not the best and certainly not the first resort for acting on one’s compassion.

I still believe all of that, probably even more than I did when Bush was in office.

But, as a political matter, it has become clear that he was on to something important

Some sophisticated analysts, such as my National Review colleague Ramesh Ponnuru, always acknowledged the philosophical shortcomings and inconsistencies of compassionate conservatism, but they argued that something like it was necessary nonetheless. The evolving demographics of the country, combined with the profound changes to both the culture and the economy, demanded that the GOP change both its sales pitch and its governing philosophy.

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What the various interest groups need that Republicans have failed to give them is respect, attention, and love.

Yes, as weird as it sounds in a political context – love. Because frankly, I don’t think most Republicans care much about these groups…

I always found George W. Bush’s term “compassionate conservatism” deeply insulting. It asserts that conservatism isn’t on its own compassionate. But while conservatism sometimes offers tough medicine, the cure it provides is deeply compassionate.

Republicans need to go directly into the black communities and ask, “How has 50 years of an expanding welfare state worked out for you?”

They need to go into the Hispanic communities and say, “If policies that are anti-business prevail, how are you going to make enough money get your kids an education so they can take their place at the highest rungs of society?”

Republicans need to talk to women about why conservative economic policies provide the prosperity that guarantees security for their families, and to support working women by backing efforts to give them the time to be mothers too.

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[Romney's] vision of a better America than Obama’s was one that rewarded success rather than penalized it and gave running room to entrepreneurs to realize the American dream.

But such a vision isn’t actually inclusive. It speaks to those whose energies will likely make them successes no matter what they do — and says little to people who don’t think of life in such dynamic terms.

Many people crave security and stability rather than risk-taking, and that doesn’t make them any less American. They are the workers rather than the job creators, and all societies need both.

Romney is right that the Obama vision is too centered on government. But his is too centered on the promotion of business and wealth creation at the expense of everything else.

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“I think President Obama, first of all, just tactically did a better job getting out the vote in his campaign. But number two, he, at least at the margins, was better able to connect with people in this campaign,” Pawlenty said in an interview with C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers” program scheduled to air on Sunday.

“But I don’t think it’s a matter of people looking at the election and saying, ‘I’m going to vote because of gifts,’” he added. “I think they looked at it and said which one of these candidates would they prefer because of leadership considerations and also can understand their needs the best.”

Pressed on whether this meant he disagreed with Romney’s remarks, Pawlenty responded, “You know, I don’t think it’s as simple as saying the president gave out gifts. I just don’t think it’s that simple. There’s a lot more to it than that.”

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Newt Gingrich and Evan Smith discuss Romney’s “gifts” remark in response to Obama’s re-election from KLRU-TV on Vimeo.


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AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 12:29 AM

This really is another planet. :) Not quite as it’s played up, of course, but . . . undeniable.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:41 AM

What a waste of electrons, wtih the election postmortems and what coulda shoulda woulda been done. Nobody could have beaten Obama – it’s already too late. We should have seen that in 2008, but Mclame was such a weak candidate it provided cover – he couldn’t have been elected dog catcher, much less overcome the 47% taker class, created and owned by the corruptocrats on both sides of the aisle, terrorized by brown-shirt labor unions and race thugs, abetted by the treasonous media – they outnumber us now, with virtually limitless power to cement their victory.

Dissolution is the only solution now, but I can’t think of a single governor with the stones to nullify, see-seed or do anything else to stop our descent into collapse, mar-shal law and fascism, much less the broad plurality of govs it would really take to change anything.

Barring a rogue action taken by a few who actually take their oath to defend the constitution seriously and have the means to do something, the only chance we have at this point is just to let it all burn to the ground and start over. And with the Middle East about to explode, it could all happen sooner than we think.

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 12:41 AM

There was no cable news back then or internet. The media did not have the control of culture that it is today. I think most people back then were mostly concerned with their families and their towns and states. Now, they are so overwhelmed with so much stuff all the time from so many sources that it allows for people to live in their own little echo chambers. There is no reality to half of what they hear anymore.

Terrye on November 16, 2012 at 11:36 PM

You must not have been alive back then. You are correct, there was no cable or internet. Instead, one’s choices were ABC, CBS, NBC — Peter Jennings, Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley and other left-wing propagandists. Papers you had NYT, LAT, AP, Reuters, UPI — they were deciding what news was fit to print. Three networks, that was it. Back then, Paul Harvey was considered a conservative commentator. What we have now is much better, although the letter networks have expanded, at least now talk radio, Fox, some cable programming, and internet blogs provide people with the ability to bypass the media and get some perspective on what we are being told.

So no, I’m not buying that Reagan would have lost. Reagan didn’t start running in the primaries; he had a paid-for radio address every Saturday. Conservatives mad a point to listen to it. He was clear, articulate and said what they were thinking. His campaign started after he lost the primary to Ford.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Hell, the culture in the US has shockingly declined in just the decade in which I’ve been a citizen.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Hmmmmmmmmm

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Logan’s Run is about getting happy with no afterlife, totally lost on me back then though. I remember being logan for a while. The pistols had plumes that ejected from the side. No matter what store I checked or how hard I worked, no pistols with plumes.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:33 AM

How about Jenny Agutter taking a shower in the cave? Did you happen to notice that? :)

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Hell, the culture in the US has shockingly declined in just the decade in which I’ve been a citizen.

Resist We Much on November 17, 2012 at 12:39 AM

She’s the greatest and freest land the world was ever given to witness. She is self-destructing, which makes it that much more difficult to accept.

However, she was never that cultured.

Also, humanity, civilization and culture are overrated, the world over.

On Sharpton – you wrote him up to perfection, both times. Obama would garner creds if he’d shun such a fool, alas…tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are. These are all charlatanic thugs, destructive fools and mongers.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:37 AM
sorry…i was tucking my mom in and missed the earlier post..
really im not slow…im a caregiver …so im just busy…
i’ll try and keep up better…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM

How about Jenny Agutter taking a shower in the cave? Did you happen to notice that? :)

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:43 AM

I . . . am afraid . . . to admit that I can tell you exactly how the muzzle discharge from the pistols looked, and can, at a moment’s notice, CAD you a working hovercraft . . . but . . .

Now, Solo’s pistol was completely different –

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:52 AM

This really is another planet. :)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Yes, of the apes.

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going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Very nice of you – also, never to worry.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Gonna throw out another good read. Robert Ludlum of The Bourne Trilogy wrote a fantastic bit of satire that is LOL quality called The Road To Omaha.

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 12:56 AM

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:37 AM
sorry…i was tucking my mom in and missed the earlier post..
really im not slow…im a caregiver …so im just busy…
i’ll try and keep up better…

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Maybe we figured you left without saying goodbye (mars). ;)

You and your mother are lucky to have each other.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

So we have gone from:

“A Ham Sammich could beat Obama”

to

“No one could have beaten Obama. Mitt was up against ‘Obama the invincible Machine’”.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

And look how ugly, inside and out, Cokie is today. May they all suffocate from eating Obama’s sh*t, not Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Me to Schadenfreude. I hope they choke on it.

portlandon on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM
i just didnt want you to think i was getting that
glazed zombie leftest BHO is my hero look in my eyes…
and you’d have to ‘put me down’….

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

So we have gone from:

“A Ham Sammich could beat Obama”

to

“No one could have beaten Obama. Mitt was up against ‘Obama the invincible Machine’”.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

No, Ham was who *we* were going to vote for over Obama. It appears others did not feel the same way.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

So we have gone from:

“A Ham Sammich could beat Obama”

to

“No one could have beaten Obama. Mitt was up against ‘Obama the invincible Machine’”.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

You noticed that too?

A lot of tune changing going on.

portlandon on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

I . . . am afraid . . . to admit that I can tell you exactly how the muzzle discharge from the pistols looked, and can, at a moment’s notice, CAD you a working hovercraft . . . but . . .

Now, Solo’s pistol was completely different –

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Oh I see, an engineer.
One engineer is standing on a bridge and his engineer friend rides up on a bicycle. The waiting friend says “nice bike where did you get it?” The other guy said “You won’t believe this but I was walking and this girl rode up on the bike, took off her clothes and told me I could have or do anything I wanted so I took the bike. Her clothes didn’t fit.”

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Me to Schadenfreude. I hope they choke on it.

portlandon on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

and have giardia and e-coli for good measure.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 1:01 AM

portlandon on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

(:

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Oh I see, an engineer.
One engineer is standing on a bridge and his engineer friend rides up on a bicycle. The waiting friend says “nice bike where did you get it?” The other guy said “You won’t believe this but I was walking and this girl rode up on the bike, took off her clothes and told me I could have or do anything I wanted so I took the bike. Her clothes didn’t fit.”

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

She was engineered to fit.

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 1:02 AM

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

No, Ham was who *we* were going to vote for over Obama. It appears others did not feel the same way.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

That was going to be my response. Given the option, the sandwich is the only option. Only an idiot would choose Obama over a ham sandwich. If Obama was running uncontested, there’s no excuse for not electing the ham sandwich through a write-in vote.

Though I personally didn’t say Reagan would lose. I’m just not so confident that it’s a done deal, and I really don’t think he’d be walking away. And if Reagan would have won, but in the margins, isn’t that an argument that Romney wasn’t particularly weak?

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Mitt was trying to sell a positive vision of conservatism as an antidote to Obama; but he was unwilling to cast Obama’s policies as a poison, and he was selling his conservative view from 20,000-feet up. We need a candidate who can either cast liberal policies as the source of all woe, or who can sell conservatism on the ground-level. Mitt was never going to be able to do the latter; and he was hesitant in directly blaming Obama for the woeful state of the economy. That’s why Mitt lost.

Lawdawg86 on November 17, 2012 at 12:04 AM

The problem was that Romney is a moderate who does not have a conservative core. He was willing to say the words, but didn’t have the fire of conviction to give them life. Obama, on the other hand, is, at his core, a devoted marxist and statist, absolutely committed to destroying the liberty and freedom of this country. Because of this, his class warfare rhetoric and soak the rich speeches that promise a virtual torrent of blessings from his beneficent government hands come across as strong and impassioned — because they are. Romney came across soft because he, or his advisers were just too afraid that if he adopted a strong position on anything, the precious independents would bolt back to the Obama camp. Instead, he came across as uncommitted and weak. As others have said, instead of saying, “I can do better than Obama”, he should have been, “Obama’s policies have pushed us to bankruptcy, you need me to bring the US back from fiscal disaster”. He just was too afraid to go on the attack, despite the many opportunities. Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the lousy economy, ObamaTax these were ripe for the picking and we got someone who almost went there but shied away at the last minute.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

I liked the one line in “Duck Dynasty”, when faced with the thought of moving into town into a subdivision the old man said, “When you live in a subdivision, they expect you to call 911; where I live, I am 911″ It’s a hokey show, but funny and has some nuggets of rugged individualism that is sorely lacking in our society.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 12:29 AM

At the gate into my ranch and along the road to the hacienda, and on the front door of my city house, are signs with guns painted on them and which read, simply, “We don’t call 911.” Of course, given my unending desire to be PC, the signs also are in Spanish.

When you do this, you know you’re a redneck, of course.

TXUS on November 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Her clothes didn’t fit.”

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

Resist, please don’t read any of this exchange.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

I love engineer jokes! You can ask any normal person whether the glass is half empty or half full and get an answer, but ask an engineer and he’ll just say, “well, that’s about twice as much glass as you need.”

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Enough already. Obama got 50.6% of the vote…not 70%. Some soul searching is okay, but this is getting ridiculous.

Terrye on November 16, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Actually the latest National popular count is 51.6% and it’s getting closer to 52% as more California votes being counted, with a 4 million vote lead.

Salahuddin on November 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

I love engineer jokes! You can ask any normal person whether the glass is half empty or half full and get an answer, but ask an engineer and he’ll just say, “well, that’s about twice as much glass as you need.”

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Progressive: Half the glass is completely full, and the other half is completely empty. And does that seem fair?

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

and you’d have to ‘put me down’….

going2mars on November 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

And I would, good one :)

You are appreciated and admired.
Hang tough, locally and otherwise.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Salahuddin on November 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Nobody gives a crap reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Actually the latest National popular count is 51.6% and it’s getting closer to 52% as more California votes being counted, with a 4 million vote lead.

Salahuddin on November 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

It’s the land of the ‘free’ and 52% of stupid now.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

f*k th easel diesel.
Man up.
Flyover Country is prepared.
Are you?

seesalrun2 on November 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are. These are all charlatanic thugs, destructive fools and mongers.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 12:44 AM

There are three things by which to tell a man: his eyes, the friends he keeps and his favorite quotes. And some would add: his favorite beer.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Instead, he came across as uncommitted and weak. As others have said, instead of saying, “I can do better than Obama”, he should have been, “Obama’s policies have pushed us to bankruptcy, you need me to bring the US back from fiscal disaster”. He just was too afraid to go on the attack, despite the many opportunities. Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the lousy economy, ObamaTax these were ripe for the picking and we got someone who almost went there but shied away at the last minute.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Well said sir. What really sticks in my craw is that people that should be—or you would hope so, sharper than us sitting here in the audience keep effing things up.

Now instead of realizing what went wrong, our so called leaders are fixin to cave on many fronts but still won’t get no love—from those they are trying to reach OR their base.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Progressive: Half the glass is completely full, and the other half is completely empty. And does that seem fair?

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Schweeeet! Trying to think of how a progressive engineer would solve this conundrum….

/Strokes chin and draws another long sip of his Jim Beam Rye whiskey…

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 1:19 AM

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Much, much, much rather have a list of those who hate him. :)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Instead, he came across as uncommitted and weak. As others have said, instead of saying, “I can do better than Obama”, he should have been, “Obama’s policies have pushed us to bankruptcy, you need me to bring the US back from fiscal disaster”. He just was too afraid to go on the attack, despite the many opportunities. Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the lousy economy, ObamaTax these were ripe for the picking and we got someone who almost went there but shied away at the last minute.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Well said sir. What really sticks in my craw is that people that should be—or you would hope so, sharper than us sitting here in the audience keep effing things up.

Now instead of realizing what went wrong, our so called leaders are fixin to cave on many fronts but still won’t get no love—from those they are trying to reach OR their base.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Yep Ziff and AZ.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Salahuddin on November 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Nobody gives a crap reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on November 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

In fact “Salahuddin” is a f***ing muslim extremist… His username is the actual Arabic spelling of “Saladin” the muslim leader who fought the crusaders… Only a muslim extremist would take for himself such a username…

mnjg on November 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

There are three things by which to tell a man: his eyes, the friends he keeps and his favorite quotes. And some would add: his favorite beer.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM

I got Irish eyes, conservative friends and one of my favorite quotes is “fuk em if they can’t take a joke.”* And I like Corona beer.

*I have some deeper ones I just can’t think of them right now.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

TXUS on November 17, 2012 at 1:07 AM

That Rocks. +1 billion

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Well ya’ll, out of here for the night. Keep up the good fight; we’ll figure out how to get through this. I’m not ready to turn out the lights on America, even if 50% of Americans and 0.6 (1.6) or 2% of dead and fraudulent voters are stupid.

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Progressive: Half the glass is completely full, and the other half is completely empty. And does that seem fair?

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Well, just get the glass 52% full and f*ck the rest of it, nobody cares. Game over, right?

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Once upon a time, the Democrats thought differently. It was their first progressive president, Woodrow Wilson, who imposed the concept of “self-determination” on post-Great War Europe, insisting that the multicultural empires of the Habsburgs and Romanovs be replaced by a patchwork of ethnic statelets from the Balkans to the Baltics. He would be surprised to find his own party presiding over a Habsburgian America of bilingual Balkanization as a matter of electoral strategy.

The short history of the Western Hemisphere is as follows: North America was colonized by Anglo-Celts, Central and South America by “Hispanics.” Up north, two centuries of constitutional evolution and economic growth; down south, coups, corruption, generalissimos and presidents-for-life.

None of us can know the future. It may be that Charles Krauthammer is correct that Hispanics are natural Republicans merely pining for amnesty, a Hallmark Cinco de Mayo card and a mariachi band at the inaugural ball.

Or it may be that, in defiance of Dr. Krauthammer, Grover Norquist and Little Mary Sunshine, demographics is destiny and, absent assimilationist incentives this country no longer imposes, a Latin-American population will wind up living in a Latin-American society.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Enough already. Obama got 50.6% of the vote…not 70%. Some soul searching is okay, but this is getting ridiculous.

Terrye on November 16, 2012 at 10:39 PM

It’s what the Republicans do unfortunately when they lose elections(especially winnable ones). They eat their own. They just spent a billion dollars to pick up only 2 states that Obama barely won last time anyway and actually lose a net 2 Senate seats. So needless to say they’re looking to blame someone. It seems they’re now aiming their sights at Mitt after having already trashed social conservatives.

Romney seems to be pointing the finger at the Obama campaign’s cynicism and the slight majority of the electorate who rewarded them for it. I’m inclined to agree. We can sit here and talk about how our base didn’t turn out, but Romney did offer voters a pretty clear choice and was rejected by what was according to exit polls a frankly patronizing excuse. That Obama understood the middle class better. Sorry, but anyone who’s actually been paying attention to Obama’s behavior and record the last 4 years could not rationally come to such a conclusion.

Mitt’s just being a little more blunt and to the point by saying Obama voters were motivated by “gifts”. But what else would you call taxpayer-subsidized birth control? Or backdoor amnesty for illegals under 30? Or relaxing work requirements in welfare reform? Or perpetually extending unemployment benefits? Or frontloading the goodies in Obamacare? These are all targeted at the voting blocs who went for Obama in overwhelming numbers, namely minorities, single women, and the 18-29 crowd.

I suppose the good news if you can call it that is that Obama’s emptied Santa’s bag and there are no more trinkets to offer the masses. We’re broke, the ugly part of Obamacare is now upon us, the economy is sliding back into recession, taxes are about to go up possibly even on the middle class, and the Democrats can no longer attempt to buy off 51% of the electorate when the checks start bouncing. I don’t envy their nominee in 2016.

Doughboy on November 17, 2012 at 1:28 AM

I love engineer jokes! You can ask any normal person whether the glass is half empty or half full and get an answer, but ask an engineer and he’ll just say, “well, that’s about twice as much glass as you need.”

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 1:09 AM

We had an engineer friend, a WW2 vet who served on a B-29, one of my favorite airplanes. Loved the guy but he was even more long winded than I am. One time I asked him (as a vet myself and history buff) what it was like when all the guns opened up on the B-29. Now that sounds like a relatively straight forward question to most but it took him several minutes to answer and never satisfactory eg—loud, surreal, exciting whatever.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 1:31 AM

That Rocks. +1 billion

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:23 AM

O, I see how this is. Is this how it is? I see. This is how it’s got to be? All right. This is how it will be. What will be will be.

for, as the old hermit of
Prague, that never saw pen and ink, very wittily
said to a niece of King Gorboduc, ‘That that is is;’
so I, being Master Parson, am Master Parson; for,
what is ‘that’ but ‘that,’ and ‘is’ but ‘is’?

What is, is, and this is what it is.

I get it.

O, I understand.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:33 AM

I told my Christie friend that I will never vote for Christie ever. He might win another four years as governor, but we don’t need him that much in 2016.

ArkyDore on November 17, 2012 at 1:33 AM

AZfederalist on November 17, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Night AZ.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Yo

DarkCurrent on November 17, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Actually the latest National popular count is 51.6% and it’s getting closer to 52% as more California votes being counted, with a 4 million vote lead.

Salahuddin on November 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

It’s the land of the ‘free’ and 52% of stupid now.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

So Romney was wrong by about 5%.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 1:38 AM

None of us can know the future. It may be that Charles Krauthammer is correct that Hispanics are natural Republicans merely pining for amnesty, a Hallmark Cinco de Mayo card and a mariachi band at the inaugural ball.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Krauthammer needs to get out more – a lot more. Mexicans are natural democrats and then some.

VorDaj on November 17, 2012 at 1:41 AM

Doughboy on November 17, 2012 at 1:28 AM

That was a pleasure to read. Thank you.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Romney wasn’t wrong. The population got %5 dumber since the time Mitt made the %47 comment.

See how that works.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:43 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Top Republicans emerged from a meeting at the White House on Friday saying they are prepared to agree to additional revenue in order to avert looming harsh tax hikes and spending cuts, as long as there also are reductions in spending.

To show our seriousness, we’ve put revenue on the table as long as it’s accompanied by significant spending cuts,” House Speaker John Boehner told reporters at the White House.

Mitch McConnell, the most powerful Republican in the Senate, also offered conditional backing for new revenue, but said reforms to social safety net programs also are necessary.

God damn any politician who calls taxes “revenue”.

God damn you all, from the left to the right, Boehner and McConnell first. I hate them more than Obama. In his case I hate all the fools who brung him, twice.

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:43 AM

It begins…

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Conflict_on_the_Gaza_Strip

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2012 at 1:43 AM

We need the fire you bring. Lets hope its contagious.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Where is CANOPFOR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Evu8L2pF7w

Lets go GALT and then lets go Schad.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 1:53 AM

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Conflict_on_the_Gaza_Strip

Seven Percent Solution on November 17, 2012 at 1:50 AM

A little bizarre, this. Uncomfortable.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 1:54 AM

First, Christie can go F himself–if he can find it. (Nice attempt to walk it back fatso–I’ll NEVER vote for you.)

Second, Et tu Newt? Feeling neglected? Go find Callista, fat-head.

Last, Romney didn’t lose because he wasn’t conservative enough. He lost because of the media’s desire to fellate Obama for four more years, coupled with the fact that over fifty percent of Americans are lazy-assed takers who have no knowledge of economics.

Best of luck with that. Just wish I could find an island for me and mine.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 1:57 AM

On Israel and Gaza–I hope the Israelis POUND those a-holes.
(The best defense is a good offense.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Best of luck with that. Just wish I could find an island for me and mine.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 1:57 AM

Find a big one because there are plenty of us who would like to join you and find some sense of normalcy.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Oh sure, it was the youth vote that swung Florida….

Look folks, it was the seductive candy of every type imaginable that bought this election–from guilt free abortions, to “condoms’R” us conventions,gay marriage is great, dump God and the Catholic Church, guilt free sloth and permanent reparation-checks for victims , open borders and care for all who sneak in and vote for us, toss in an Obamaphone here, a mortgage there, feed some elitist pride for not being prejudiced, a to of eco-worshipping failed green energy bait, more buck for ever failing teachers, teachers, teachers, and bowing to our enemies, food stamps for all, and poof-a guaranteed election.

Democracy sucks, only we won’t admit that our characterless society can’t be easily bought off.

Don L on November 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

On Israel and Gaza–I hope the Israelis POUND those a-holes.
(The best defense is a good offense.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Forgot to add: Israel, you will certainly not get any support from the US. Our CINC is your enemy, if you didn’t already know.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Find a big one because there are plenty of us who would like to join you and find some sense of normalcy.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Recall the phrase, “It’s a small world.”

It’s gettin’ smaller, piggie. Lovers of freedom are (becoming) surrounded. (No place to go.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Democracy sucks, only we won’t admit that our characterless society can’t be easily bought off.

Don L on November 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Our politicians won’t admit it. (Probably because they see another election in their future.)

Like I said after the election–like so many have said–It seems we need a catastrophic crash to fix this. (It will cull the herd.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I think I’m going to lay myself off, fire all my obama-voting employees, shut the company down and go for full-boat govt cheese – unemployment, disability, welfare, food stamps, get my re-education grant, etc., go fully John Galt underground and get some of my damn money back while I still can. Legally, I can do this the way things are set up, but I know it’s immoral because our kids are going to have to pay for it. But hell, that’s what they voted for, isn’t it? Might as well give them what they wanted.

I consider it my personal failure as a father, (and I apologize to everyone here) that both my sons voted for Gary Johnson despite my best efforts to influence them otherwise. At least they aren’t progs and I take some small comfort in that but I still don’t even want to talk to either one of them. I hope I get over that.

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

It’s gettin’ smaller, piggie. Lovers of freedom are (becoming) surrounded. (No place to go.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM

How true. I have been seriously considering moving to Texas but even that great state cannot survive the regulations and troubles the feds can and will bring down. We have a nice second house in OR and so pretty quickly I’m going to unass California. OR is liberal but generally not CA crazy.

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

As far as getting your money…get it now and buy some “bling”. (Actually, gold would be smart, but I just meant splurge of stuff you (and your wife?) want. The dollar’s headed for the toilet, thanks to Obama and democrats (and their idiot voters).

As for your sons…how old are they? I once voted for Perot. An acknowledged mistake, but it was my first election and I was stupid. (Never wasted my vote, again. Maybe they’ll learn, too.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

First I would like to say that I hold no grudge that your sons did what they did, in some respects I think they may have been braver than us, or maybe our age has just made us wiser to see that macro field that is being played, and you will eventually get over that feeling, hold in not against them my friend, my father once talked to me about going to war for a country that cared little for me, as it had for his generation, yet I still went, knowing how he felt, I went to war, and nothing has really changed, just as he had said.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:18 AM

arnold ziffel on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I hear you, arnold. Me? I’ve got nothing, really. (But I don’t want anyone else’s “something”–if you catch my drift.)

Texas, I think, is being inundated by liberals and Mexicans. I don’t see how they’ll hold out. Oregon might be a better bet.

Fact is, the lazy are encircling the workers–hands out, hungry and (probably) stoned. I had entirely given up after the election, and I’m still 90% there.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:20 AM

OmahaCon

we got 270 so far.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Mr. Crow,
Being surrounded isn’t a bad thing, at least we can see our enemies coming. Chesty Puller was surrounded once upon a time, I think he did alright for himself. You offer sound advice though and I thank you for it.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Block quoted way to much on that last one, my apologies.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Chesty Puller

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Porn isn’t the solution.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:26 AM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Mr. Fox, I thank you for your service.

Not sure about the quality of my advice, as emotion has entered into the equation. (I would very much hate to see the greatest country in history die.)

And, unfortunately, the most apt metaphor for our “surrounding” is leeches. We are being surrounded by leeches. Can’t really shoot ‘em, but they’ll suck the blood out of you, all the same.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Never looked on him as a porn star, wow Axe, I have to tell you I am still LMAO on that one. At least our humor hasn’t been confiscated yet, and I stress yet!

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Porn isn’t the solution.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Lol. (I think I saw her…dirty girl.)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Laugh Tax (by Obama) in 3…2…1…

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Ok. I’m done. Later, y’all.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:32 AM

I hope I get over that.

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Won’t even try to say anything comforting as I would probably feel the same way if I had kids and they did that.

I hope it works out for you and can only speak for myself, but feel that I can generalize and say that you have kindred spirits here that will listen to you and commiserate.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Dunno how old (inside) they are, but being fiercely independent is a good foundation. Wisdom comes over time, and when you build that way, you get some exceptional people. Assuming you can survive to see it. :)

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:20 AM

re. your running comments. :) The trick is going to be building parallel, in place. There’s no place to go, as you say. For Objectivists, there’s no valley in Colorado; etc. etc. I don’t know if the thing can be weathered, but if it’s going to be, it’s got to be weathered where we’re standing. Mostly. No reason to stay in a burning California — I’m not writing rules here, just making observations.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:35 AM

At least our humor hasn’t been confiscated yet, and I stress yet!

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

:)

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:37 AM

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:29 AM

You are so right about the leeches, and though it would seem that destruction is almost certain, I can’t help but draw from Kipling that we will be able to rebuild using broken tools and all. As far me, well I will retire soon, I am staying now for the kids, they deserve everything that I can teach them on how to survive on what is to come, because unfortunately only the dead know the end of war, and the lambs that are our elected officials never learn from history. I will then move to the mid-west and take up on a country estate, and guard my wife till the end of our days.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM

….go for full-boat govt cheese – unemployment, disability, welfare, food stamps, get my re-education grant, etc., go fully John Galt underground….
Harbingeing on November 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM

I don’t think you get the ‘full John Galt’ concept. Sucking off the taxpayer teat is antithetical to going Galt.

If you are going to go the route of robbing the taxpayers, man up and go Full Ragnar Danneskjöld.

LegendHasIt on November 17, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Brushed my teeth (well, tooth), and came back to check. Had to reply to you guys.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:35 AM
I hope you’re right. Still: $20T in debt?!? (I once threatened to punch a deadbeat in the nose ’cause he owed my friend $100. How do we handle $20T???)

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM
A very poetic response (I enjoyed it), though I would chastise you for your equating politicians to lambs. They are dumb, but are more like dumb wolves, if you ask me.

Night, guys.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:47 AM

lambs that are our elected officials

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I think you’re being a little generous there (“lambs” is not the word I’d choose), but — I’ll leave you to it instead of trying to sour it. :) Maybe they are lambs in a few ways.

Have we met? Nice talking with you a minute.

Ok. I’m done. Later, y’all.

RedCrow on November 17, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Night Crow.

Me too. I’m going to hang out with Rosalind and Celia in exile, see how they are getting along, and then — God willing — notice I’m waking up and it’s the crack of noon. :)

Night ever’body.

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Axe on November 17, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Not formally here, but it has been a pleasure as well. Good night to you and Mr. Crow.

It is late afternoon here for me, I am on a tiny island in the Pacific, so still hours to go before I sleep.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 2:57 AM

blockquote test

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 3:04 AM

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 3:04 AM

You ok there SparkPlug?

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM

Yep. All systems go after routine test. An ounce of prevention isn’t very heavy.

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 3:13 AM

SparkPlug on November 17, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Glad to hear, but shouldn’t you be in bed?

I mean my excuse is that it is late afternoon, and I am on a tiny Island in the middle of the Pacific, though I am off in a minute to go to the library.

MarshFox on November 17, 2012 at 3:18 AM

well…i just got around to watching the NOLA vid. 1. Schiff is a genius…2. i thought it was great…hopeful actually.

these people didn’t seem bitter…they just went to school..which is what everyone does. They are productive…and mostly seem happy. Not the bitter loser leftists that troll here and everywhere.

obviously the real culprits are the leftist professors that used these people as fodder for their jobs. I learned that a long time ago…students are fodder.

But actually, they are seemed articulate (unlike many barely literate people)….and, I bet, if you sat down with them and talked about Leftism and authoritarism vs. Hayek…i just might think they’d come down on the correct side

in all the vast wordage i’ve read about our crisis…the truth is the truth…people like freedom. Do they want a safety net…ok, sure.

do they want barry to be barking out orders to everyone…i bet not so much.

r keller on November 17, 2012 at 3:22 AM

Romney slimed his Republican opponents in the primaries and it worked.

Obama slimed Romney in the campaign and it worked.

Romney forgot to slime Obama, the Slimemeister-In-Chief.

That was Mitt’s main mistake.

Slime works.

And Obama has more natural slime waiting to be used on him than most people in politics.

Running a “decent” campaign against an indecent scumbag is a losing proposition.

Proven on November 6th.

profitsbeard on November 17, 2012 at 3:27 AM

and look at the Amazon Heat map…the books that America reads

http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap/?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=ur2&pf_rd_i=1286228011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=1408874842&pf_rd_r=1A4XJN2ATAJBNZ23SJWN&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=101&tag=insta0c-20

look at the books, Friedman, Rand, Hayek…Gutfield, Coulter.

losers are reading Maddow, Walsh…and still Zinn..

and what is the bluest of the blue..DC…figures, DC apparatchiks have never heard or read Hayek, Friedman

r keller on November 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM

we have to evangelize the culture. rush and breitbart say it is the culture…ok, evangelize. Missionary work people, primitive pagan culture. FUN

r keller on November 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM

r keller on November 17, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Interesting link, thanks.
Also interesting is that Amazon thinks Bill 0′Reilley and Colin Powell are Conservative.

LegendHasIt on November 17, 2012 at 3:53 AM

No, Ham was who *we* were going to vote for over Obama. It appears others did not feel the same way.

kim roy on November 17, 2012 at 12:59 AM

What makes you think Mitt Romney lost to Obama. Joesph Stalin said, “it doesn’t matter who votes, only who counts the votes”. I’m convinced that Mitt Romney got more votes than Obama and actually won the election, but “Who counted the vote” counted what they wanted to count. Obama didn’t “WIN”, he stole the election and the “Professional Blogging Class” is adding and abetting that theft.

SWalker on November 17, 2012 at 4:15 AM

I’m seriously done with people who want to blame Romney. They’re all cowards. He ran the right campaign given where the GOP is today and entitlements doomed him….not a huge surprise.

Folks who want to blame him have lost all my respect. It’s not his fault far more Americans blame Bush’s dumb not responding ass for the economy than Obama. It’s not his fault the media is Fuc*king corrupt and literally runs every story through the prism of helping Obama. It’s not his fault the linchpin of the disaster of Benghazi was released the day after the last debate…don’t forget that. Of course in hindsight he could’ve done some things differently but don’t forget he was drawing amazing crowds the last days of his campaign…BUT we lost because millions more people getting entitlements in the last 4 years had a big incentive in their minds to show up and supposedly the GOP hates minorities. It’s bullshit but it’s not an exclusive Mitt Romney problem and he actually outran the rest of the GOP.

To the dumbasses like Jindal trying to play reactionary populist now…sorry not telling the truth isn’t going to work because you’re not even acknowledging the real problem we’re facing and go Fu&K yourself for trying to conceal it. Seriously…Wise up or go Fu*k yourself…after now 8 years of us getting killed because Bush was a statist pussy…focus on pussy…I have no more time for this shit and will denounce it every chance I’m given!

jaygatz33 on November 17, 2012 at 5:16 AM

And that poor, poor dead horse continues to cry out for the beatings to stop and the cannibalization of the Republican party continues.

JPeterman on November 16, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Here are some of David’s election campaign details. David needed 2000 signatures to be on the ballot. He turned in around 3100. He was the only one of five candidates to have his petitions challenged. By the time they were done, he had slightly under 3000 valid signatures. But his challenge defense wiped out his campaign funds and stuck a dagger in his campaign. I don’t know the exact cost, but the attorney he used was a friend, and it still cost him over $30,000 and he lost at least 3 weeks of campaign time.

When he finally won the case, the state GOP insisted he wait a week to release the results. The GOP threatened that if he announced sooner they would drag him back into court and contest the ruling in his favor.

In the Republican primary for the senate, Tea Party endorsed candidate Bader Qarmout (who was first and foremost a Republican) was mercilessly smeared by the establishment machine. In this instance, Governor Christie’s longtime friend, State Senator Joe Kyrillos, was the Party’s clear choice. Kyrillos’ most noteworthy achievement in 25 years of public office is his relationship with Governor Christie. Ironically, challenger Bader Qarmout authored a realistic and practical plan addressing Immigration Reform, which has proven to be the Republican Party’s Achilles’ heel. By the way, Kyrillos lost to the incumbent, Senator Menendez, by a whopping 18%. In a sense this still represents a win for the Republican Party in NJ in that they managed to crush the outsider.

http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/11/13/teaparty/elections-users-dead-men-walking/

davidk on November 17, 2012 at 5:57 AM

This poor sick Republic is all but dead . . . all you’re seeing now are spasmodic muscle contractions.

rplat on November 17, 2012 at 6:18 AM

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