Petraeus: The CIA’s initial talking points about Benghazi mentioned Al Qaeda — but the reference was removed
posted at 4:28 pm on November 16, 2012 by Allahpundit
The (former) director of the CIA doesn’t know why the CIA’s finalized talking points omitted a key detail?
Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified in a closed-door hearing Friday morning that his agency determined immediately after the Sept. 11 Libya attack that “Al Qaeda involvement” was suspected — but the line was taken out in the final version circulated to administration officials, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed…
“The original talking points were much more specific about Al Qaeda involvement. And yet the final ones just said indications of extremists,” [Rep. Peter] King said, adding that the final version was the product of a vague “inter-agency process.”
Further, King said a CIA analyst specifically told lawmakers that the Al Qaeda affiliates line “was taken out.”
The obvious suspicion is that the White House or some other political actor up the food chain expunged the Al Qaeda reference because it was inconvenient to the Foreign Policy President’s “I destroyed Al Qaeda” reelection narrative. But Petraeus is no longer beholden to the administration. If that’s what happened, or if it’s what he suspected might have happened, why didn’t he say so today? His reputation had already taken a hit because of the bad early intel from the CIA on Benghazi before anyone knew who Paula Broadwell was. If that intel was actually the product of interference from political forces, he has every reason to clear his name by saying so. Instead, it sounds like he acknowleged today that the CIA did indeed ultimately approve the talking points Rice used that omitted the reference to Al Qaeda. Er, why’d they do that? If someone in a political office was pressuring the CIA to change the document, Petraeus would surely know about it, no?
Meanwhile, in a separate House Intel Committee briefing with DNI James Clapper and acting CIA Director Mike Morell:
Fox News was told that neither Clapper nor Morell knew for sure who finalized [the talking points the White House initially relief on]. And they could not explain why they minimized the role of a regional Al Qaeda branch as well as the militant Ansar al-Sharia despite evidence of their involvement.
The three biggest names in American intelligence still haven’t been able to figure out who removed a key part of an intel finding that’s been hotly disputed in public for two months? That’s like Obama needing an investigation to find out what he did or didn’t order the military to do to rescue Americans pinned down at the CIA annex on the night of the attack. How hard would it be to find this out? Presumably the CIA uses the same basic word processing programs as every other organization; go back through the saved drafts and figure out where the reference to Al Qaeda mysteriously disappeared.
What’s doubly curious about all this is that any of these guys could have simply said, “Well, there were early signs of Al Qaeda involvement but nothing firm enough at the time to warrant inclusion in a statement to the public.” That’s arguably true: Eli Lake reported back on October 1 that U.S. intelligence had intercepted communications during and after the attack between people in Ansar al-Sharia and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. That’s strong evidence of coordination but maybe not a smoking gun. Since then, U.S. officials have gotten firmer about AQIM’s involvement; there was even a report a few weeks ago about jihadis from Al Qaeda in Iraq possibly being involved. My point, though, is that neither Petraeus, Clapper, nor Morell appears to be defending the agency on grounds that the early intel wasn’t ripe enough yet. It sounds from King and Fox’s report like they’re kinda sorta conceding that, yeah, maybe the Al Qaeda reference shouldn’t have been removed. Petraeus, in fact, seems to have taken the attitude this morning that the attack was obviously terrorism from the get-go. Or maybe all of this is just King’s/Fox’s interpretation of more complex answers they gave? This is why public hearings would be useful.
Update:Daniel Halper at the Standard. Intelligence sources were whispering about the Al Qaeda omission to Stephen Hayes weeks ago. That’s how suspicious they were of it:
One thing that has troubled both intelligence officials and those on Capitol Hill as they have evaluated the administration’s early response to the attacks is what appears to be an effort to write al Qaeda out of the story. For example, the talking points first reported by Lake, include this sentence: “There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.” But according to several officials familiar with the original assessment from which the talking points were derived, the U.S. intelligence community had reported the fact that these were extremists with ties to al Qaeda. That key part was omitted.
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next round of softball questions from gregory with interupptions towards the gop guests….
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 10:00 AM
my last comment to you..
because you won’t jack this thread with help from me.. done feeding the handicapped with the crash helmets.. they have minders for that.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:01 AM
I thought Orwell was particularly relevant this morning…So I’ll keep posting quotes from 1984 & Animal Farm etc.
” “they had come to a time when no one dared speak his mind, when fierce, growling dogs roamed everywhere, and when you had to watch your comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes.” – Orwell, Animal Farm
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM
going with issa knew too so there..pffft
-pfeiffer
one softball after another from gregory
excellent
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 10:05 AM
Orwell had his epiphany during the Stalin show trials didn’t he? I know he at least started as a socialist, but turned on the left hard after WW II… at least the Communist left.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:05 AM
gop just making political hay, there is scandal…there is no political motivation…
lie lie lie
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 10:05 AM
Your actions support their theory.
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.” Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM
http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4759
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 10:09 AM
The IRS persecuting Americans for dissent is horrific enough, but add in Obamacare, these media hacks are delusional if they think they can assure us it’ll be just fine..
with lil Miss (people are like bugs on the windshield) heading the IRS Obamacare office.
I kinda expect a sudden increase in the late seniors mortality rate..
less your a wealthy connected democrat..
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM
The trick to being interviewed by Candy Crawley is to bring a bucket of fried chicken with you, and set it on the floor of the studio. The smell will reduce her attention span to three seconds, and you will not be interrupted.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM
Hmmm.. I smell race baiting trolling a going on..
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:17 AM
I ought to try that with my 9 year old nephew.. he NEVER stops interrupting when he wants a snack… a lot like Candy.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM
Somehow you learned to divine the race of anonymous people here at HotGas in between efforts to create jobs, huh?
Man, you are incredible, can I have your autograph?
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 10:21 AM
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM
You little snot-nosed punk Troll. You don’t know me from Adam. For all you know, I am Black.
Are my friends and fellow posters portlandon, baldilocks, and mizflame88, RAACIISTS, too? That would be a surprise to them, because they’re Black Americans. Is Lt. Col. Allen West a Raaciist? Is Angela McGowan a RAACIIST? Is Alveda King a traitor to her race because she is fighting for the lives of unborn Black babies?
You are nothing but a mindless member of the hive-mind. You disgust me.
Now, sing “Daisy” for me, HAL.
kingsjester on May 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM
I actually never watch the shows live.. my blood pressure meds can only do so much, and my BS meter pegs out pretty fast when the media shills start their candy coating another left wing scandal..
I expect a mass sugar shortage from all of THAT going on in the next few weeks.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM
Orwell was a labor socialist…Many of these labor socialists were dis-enchanted during the Spanish Civil War and WWII.
They had a romantic vision of the Russian Revolution because the socialist propaganda combined with their willful blindness prevented them from accepting the facts of the consequences of Marxism.
This is the problem with zealots…Adams saw it but it took decades for Jefferson to admit Adams was right.
Orwell regained his skepticism and his criticism of Tyranny is his legacy…But he also drank heavily to ummmm…manage.
Progressives love these books because it allows them a handy vehicle to name an enemy…But they miss entirely the problemo.
It’s not new.
“Yep Son,We have met the enemy and He is Us” – Pogo.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM
But yeah I’m an American and I know a racist when I see one.
“Typical white person” and “first really clean and articulate black dude”…I see racists.
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 10:23 AM
*snicker*
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM
I can give you two separate races.. and three different national back grounds to throw at it.. and that’s just Mom’s side of the family..
I wonders if it can guess what the second one is?
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Come see the violence inherent in the system!
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Final Score: Media 73 – Americans 2
Jaibones on May 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Thanks.. I do understand there are differences in the British Labour Party as opposed to hard socialists, but Brit politics were never my strong suit in history. I read everything on the US I could get on WW II and Korea, Vietnam.. so the education is appreciated.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Astounding, isn’t it, that leftists and minorities simply refuse to grasp that what ‘our side’ is fighting for is THEIR freedom as well as ours.
Shutting down ‘opposition groups’ means they too cannot benefit from smaller gubmint, less taxation, more freedom.
Boggles the mind, some days.
pambi on May 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Really hoping that’s a satirical post.
Chris of Rights on May 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Correct.
Orwell’s philosophical evolution took years…He died relatively young at 46.
He’s interesting to read…imho
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM
I think the Republicans are playing into Democrat hands by constantly complaining about the promotion of Sarah Hall Ingram, former head of the IRS tax exempt division, to head up the IRS’s administration of Obamacare. Instead they should be focused on how the IRS entity as a whole, which would include any of the “low level rogues” the Democrats are trying to put the blame on, is untrustworthy and incapable of overseeing the implementation or administration of Obamacare. If the Democrats want to use the excuse that low level underlings were to blame then let’s make sure they never have the same opportunity again to target conservative groups in their position of power in the IRS.
The individual pursuit of Ingram as “the one in charge” gives Obama an easy out. He can fire her and then proclaim, as always, “It’s time to move on”.
He can’t fire the IRS. Wise up GOP, make them the target. Better yet, insist the IRS be removed from administering Obamacare. Do we really need an American gestapo prying into our private lives?
fogw on May 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM
So are you saying if the same Benghazi, IRS and AP scandals were happening right now, but it was President John Kerry instead of President Barack Obama, everyone at Hot Air would be perfectly OK with them because there was a white guy in the White House?
jon1979 on May 19, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Orwell was fighting the class system as much as anything else…For Brits it’s this class system that is at the heart of their confusion.
This is why socialism is doomed in America and always will be as long as Americans hold onto their fundamental American Nature…We rebelled against the Class System…We built a legal system to ensure individual rights granted to each of us by our creator.
We are messy to our cousins…But Liberty is always a bit messy.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Maybe…
Obama is playing golf with Sebellius today.
Perhaps pending subpoena pressure on Ingram will induce truthiness?
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Strange he wasn’t required reading at my High School, there was a smattering of classic poets, Longfellow, Whitman, Shakespear of course, the rest were electives..
I chose Heinlein, Asimov, Bova, Saberhagen, Jules Verne… a smattering of lesser known authors…
all well received, I read some on occasion now, but not like I used to… maybe I’ll go back and look at what I missed.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Gregory and Woodward back and forth disagreement on White House accountability.
Unreal.
David Gregory is despicable.
aquaviva on May 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Obama is responsible for the actions of Departments under the Executive Branch.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM
I’ve come to grips with the GOP letting these scandals fall by the wayside. I’ll be in my bunker for a few years.
Mr. Arrogant on May 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM
This.
petefrt on May 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM
I grew up in Texas and we read Orwell.
Animal Farm in Middle School…1984 in HS – In both English and Government Class.
Good reading list btw…
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-aide-irrelevant-fact-where-president-was-during-benghazi-attacks_724882.html
New meme. Get indignant.
They are in trouble and they know it. This is the last refuge of a criminal. Lie Obfuscate Inveigle and get indignant.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM
Gregory doesn’t even try to hide his bias anymore does he?
So many of the top tier media went full monty to secure that re-election, to smother Benghazi.. not that a meltdown seems possible..
They cannot handle loosing it all.
thanks all for watching so I don’t have too.. a new flatscreen ain’t in the budget this month..
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Gandhi
22044 on May 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM
Yep.
“In a way, the world−view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM
The Romans called it Bread & Circuses
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM
What? Another “I don’t know” answer to a critical question. Nobody in this administration every knows anything about anything, apparently they are always winging it.
Makes a citizen feel safe knowing that the nation’s top leadership is in constant Chinese Fire Drill mode.
Bishop on May 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Maybe…But it’s early.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM
How can you not be suspicious when questions so easy to answer are avoided with such defensiveness?
petefrt on May 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Socialism has a hard time taking hold in a society with so much socioeconomic mobility. It’s hard to persuade the working class to take down the classes they’d rather join.
Wethal on May 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM
NO ONE will bring up, ‘why did the president keep insisting on the you tube days WEEKS after the attack
c’mon people
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM
They are desperately trying to avoid repeating the fact that Zero did not lift a finger to help 4 Americans under attack and that HE.WENT.TO.BED.
The next day he went to Vegas.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM
This. The democratics have given us, on a Silver platter, a powerful new angle of attack to use to throw back the slavery of Obamacare. We must make the most of this.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM
The smartest administration ever led by Mr. Supertransformativesmartpowerconstitutionallegalbeagleprofessor ever relies on the “I don’t know if I remember correctly what I just denied or admitted knowing or remembering whether that’s even relevant because it’s a political side show and happened a long time ago…” defense.
I’m Historical Ya’ll…Ya can’t fire me – Il Duce
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM
the sunday show anchors are making sure that dear leader is in no way linked to these scandals
good lapdogs…
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM
He was in the informal TV room, barefoot, in his favorite recliner, watching Sportscenter. His Sportscenter time is well-known in this White House as a ‘Do Not Disturb’ period.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM
the law is irrevelant????
seriously, he just said it
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Even more! HOW CAN WE TRUST THE HHS? Zero made it very clear he will use the power of the government to destroy those who disagree with him.
HHS controls the power of life and death. Do you really think a man who favors infanticide and goes to bed while Americans are being raped and butchered would hesitate to use that power?
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM
BINGO!
Which is why we must say no to Senor Jeb….And Frau Clinton.
No Political Dynasties…No Aristocracy…No Tyranny.
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Dan Pfeiffer explains how things work at the White House and why the president is kept out of the loop (paraphrasing):
That’s golden rule No. 2. Pfeiffer forgot to mention golden rule No. 1 ………
Like clockwork, for the one trick ponies trying their best to fool all of us. Well, all of us aren’t fools.
fogw on May 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM
Dan Pfeiffer: All of these pesky questions are irrelevant. Nonetheless, our criminal of a president is taking care of it. You ignorant groundling scum should just zip it and go back to reading your Bibles. Deal with it, rubes.
The president not only knew, he ordered it. Impeach and convict.
Attack.
Philly on May 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM
They destroy what tiny credibility they have by even attempting it. The American people know well that public sector workers did not just wake up one morning and decide to attack Zero’s enemies. In fact four of the folks in Cincinnati have already said they were,
“just following orders.”
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM
maybe..
but it feels more organic to me.. the hubris of the self inflated reacting in outrage that a mere mortal QUESTION them…. gasp…
I’ve seen that in people before.. usually someone affluent caught shop lifting.. the self righteous rage at the indignity of it.. till the cops get there and their pockets were turned out..
then.. it was usually tears..
“You ruined my life”… wavering finger pointed.. ah well no.. it was my job, and rich thieves offended me on a much higher scale, than survival thieves ever did..
I can admit it now, but we caught a young lady putting formula in her purse, not an unusual item to take, it’s expensive, and there is a black market in it. The catch was as we walked her up front her older child was at the waiting area near the door with a baby carrier next to her. and yes, the baby was hungry..
Gut check time..
So we did the only thing that let us sleep at night, I had a toddler and infant at home myself.. so we rounded up the entire front end staff, and we passed the hat,.. bought what she took plus three more cans, and then a 40 dollar food gift card.. with this admonishment.. We know where you are Miss, really, don’t do this again, you’ll loose your babies.. and if you ever have dire need again.. talk to us..
we’ll find a way..
she never stole again..
off topic sure.. but, of 31 years watching, studying people, learning the meanings of even minor inflections, facial tics.. you become pretty adept at reading what is going through somebodies mind.. their mood if nothing else, but often, a type of thought becomes common to a particular reaction, or set or reactions.. a kind of sense.. a vibe.. cops learn it.. some teachers.. parents.. anyone who works with a lot of people..
The vibe I get, is the outrage is genuine.. because they really think they did nothing wrong.. which tells you a lot about their moral compass.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM
and the lsm BLAMED W on everything that happened within other agencies…the buck stopped with him and he has to be held accountable…
man i despise them…
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM
yup
cmsinaz on May 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM
Just reminding HAL where the real racism occurs.
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Miller in his congressional testimony said repeatedly to incredulous congressmen that what the IRS did was not illegal…but merely inappropriate.
Miller is a lawyer.
“History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” – Orwell 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM
FYI: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM
This is nothing new. Anti-white racism is mainstream and approved by the democratic party. That’s what Affirmative Action is.
slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM
That’s also a common act among those that get caught doing something illegal. They try to weasel out of it any way they can.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/05/conservative-groups-granted-exemption-vastly-outspent-liberal.html
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM
If we can’t police even the lowest clerks working at IRS then everyone in the department is a potential law-breaker. It’s an impossible task to monitor all of them, leaving only two solutions.
1. Prohibit the IRS in it’s entirety from administering Obamacare.
So then, who’s left that we can trust to administer it? Nobody.
2. Repeal Obamacare.
fogw on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Now the sycophant media is writing stories about how obama has to concentrate on the economy. Pay no attention to the scandals ,obama is on it…
sandee on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Which IRS scandal? I’m seeing news about some healthcare provider suing the IRS for illegally seizing healthcare records on millions of US citizens (1 in 25 of us)?
Midas on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
They sur got over the AP and Congressional cloakroom indignation quickly.
Must be another taxpayer paid for WH Corresponce Corpse event on the horizon.
socalcon on May 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM
So the gig now is to claim you are black when caught making racist statements on blacks? Then back it up by claiming you cant be racist because you know and approve of Allen West? Lololol
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM
I’d only modify that first one to be something like “Eliminate the IRS entirely.” Time to kill it and replace it with something incredibly simple and impossible to politicize. No exemptions, no exceptions, no withholding, no employer portion, 10% flat tax across the board, file on a postcard and send your payment in monthly.
Simple. People will also gain a new understanding of how much they actually pay. And it’ll help starve the beast all at the same time.
Midas on May 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM
You’re right of course, we did see a lot of that, and I could easily be wrong, but my instincts take me there. Your working position is probably more plausible, considering I never really dealt with people that high up the food chain, or that adept at playing an audience..
I can concede the point..
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM
http://newstalk870.am/coming-in-2014-taypayers-must-report-personal-health-information-to-irs/
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Lesson: Never rely on Leftist Headlines… The key is that liberal groups feal free to avoid the reporting,therefore a smaller sample….
socalcon on May 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Yes. That is what I am saying.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
HAL/HotLips, the Queen of Death.
22044 on May 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM
Sorry.
HAL/HotLips, the Racist Queen of Death.
FIFM.
22044 on May 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM
Not entirely news, the requirement was a part of the ‘must pass it to see whats in it’ ACA bill.
But, limited ‘righteous indignation’ from our libertarian friends who voted hopeychanchangey, huh? now there is a story.
socalcon on May 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM
I get that; I’m referring to an action that’s already occurred, where the IRS illegally seized health records on millions of US citizens from a healthcare provider – already – illegally – and is currently being sued over it.
Midas on May 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Music to my ears if he knew and ordered it. As far as impeachment, please keep singing that song. My team has a House to rid from the anti America GOP.
HotAirLib on May 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM
For the info geeks: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2013/05/501c-factsheet.html
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Ban Hammer please…
I’ll risk it..
Kingsjester is one of the most decent Christian people I know here, he has NEVER made a single racist remark, anywhere here, or at his blog…
You are a lying two faced son of a b1tch..
and if that gets me banned, I’ll live with it. You have been nothing BUT a false accuser since day one. divining hidden meanings only you can see. Lying about your home being a block from the WH, hoping against hope we would presume you’re black and another Obama racist voter.
just begging us to go crazy with the racist slurs..
to bad you won’t get what we don’t have to give.
drag your sorry little pink @ss back to your lily white kos playground. You have p*ssed on too many people already to feed an idiot leftist ego.. and all for nothing..
go home little boy..
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Good luck with that.
Even Democrats who have little to no involvement in politics don’t like abuses of power.
22044 on May 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Obama Aide: ‘Irrelevant Fact’ Where President Was During Benghazi Attacks
Liar.
On 12 September 2012, Matt Spetalnick of Reuters reported that:
Resist We Much on May 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Here are the dem talking points from MTP with DNC dave and the latest Axelrod wannabe dan pfeiffer that I excerpted from one of my posts over at FR.
1. The biggest and best used both on the IRS scandal and Benghazi is let’s make sure it never happens again Pfeiffer/axelJr. used this one four or five times I lost count his cadence is so quick.
2.The “its under investigation, we can’t comment” once again used by a supposed independent investigation of the IRS debacle and the FBI investigation at Benghazi no one believes either one but they still use it.
3.It’s all Issas’ fault,they blame Daryl Issa on everything saying he had advance knowledge of the IRS debacle and they knew nothing. Tough sell but they still sell it anyway.
4.He’s a Bush appointee–any time they can find someone Bush appointed evidently anything that guy does even though he’s now working for ozero his misdeeds are all due to Bush it’s all Bush’s fault ever heard that one?
5.The doctored e-mails are all the fault of the CIA, not us. Once again tough to sell but they keep trying.
6. It’s All Republicans fault–”they are trying to drag us into the swamp.” A bit of hypocrisy here but they will sell anything if the public will buy.
rodguy911 on May 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM
Re: David Gregory today.
Dude is amazing. I wonder if his back, knees, and mouth ever get sore.
aquaviva on May 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM
““The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.’ He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: ’How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?’
Winston thought. ’By making him suffer,’ he said.
’Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering,how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own?
Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined.
A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon,a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself.
Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice.
Ours is founded upon hatred.
In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement.
Everything else we shall destroy everything. Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution.
We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer.
But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be
no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science.
There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness.
There will be no curiosity,no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed.” – Orwell, 1984
workingclass artist on May 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM
I know this is hard, but the only solution to this is to ignore HAL, for some reason ,trolls have special privileges here and don’t get banned very often.
Yes, I’ve been guilty of responding as well, sometimes smacking trolls is fun, but HAL has shown itself to be a liar, ill-informed, and incapable of actual serious dialog — it only regurgitates talking points. If we all just ignore it, it will either start posting more outrageous stuff to the point of rising to the troll-ban threshold or it will go away.
HAL-cot; it’s hijacked enough threads.
AZfederalist on May 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM
And I get what you were saying.
I just wanted to point out that what is illegal now will be required. And those of us who resist the illegal, Constitution violating law will be considered lawbreakers.
davidk on May 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM
We are both probably correct. It will vary from one member of the regime to the next. I’m sure some of them will be exactly as you say. My experience runs the other way. I’ve known quite a few who knew what they were doing and acted that way when caught.
I have to second this request. IMHO HAL crossed the line and needs to go.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Once in a great while a troll gets banned. I wouldn’t mind if HAL/HotLips goes.
22044 on May 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM
HAL, you prove better than anyone else could, what a f*cking imbecile you are.
Have you seen anyone here say anything critical of John Kerry before? Harry Reid? Timothy Geithner? How about that IRS f*ck that testified Friday? Any white libs, catching conservative flack from HA folks before?
And you’re still stupid enough to make the statement you just made?
Holy shit, you’re one seriously dumb f*ckwit.
Midas on May 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM
already busted.. someone checked his political donations..
all to Obama..
so he is no republican, just a career name on a list passed down the chain. The GOP doesn’t do mass apointments based on their donations, I doubt anyone in Bush’s team even checked, just asked for career civil service names and assuming they were professional enough not to be the left wing hacks they turned out to be..
now obama..
he made damn sure every DOJ lawyer hired had a hard left track record, we know that for sure.
mark81150 on May 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Pfeiffer is on an audio loop?
On IRS targeting: ‘The law is irrelevant.’
On Bengazi: ‘It is irrelevant who changed the talking points.’
Quick! Check public records to determine if BO legally changed his name to ‘Irrelenant Obama’!
socalcon on May 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM
I agree.
dogsoldier on May 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Agreed.
Currently 73,954 pages of tax code. At it’s inception there were 400 pages. This is what comes from a congress cram-packed full of lawyers passing tax laws.
fogw on May 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Arguably, what should be HAL’s ‘tombstone’ post.
socalcon on May 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM
I propose we create a permanent sticky thread where all the trolls and anti-trolls can go and yell at each other and waste each other’s time.
That way we’d keep these threads clean of all the juvenile nonsense and stay somewhat centered to the topic at hand.
aquaviva on May 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Remember him front row and center questioning Bush at a White House presser in the midst of the Iraq war?
Gregory falls under the same category as Obama. Easy to hate.
fogw on May 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM
So HAL thinks that all dissenters of the regime must be silenced by any means necessary. He says that the dissenters are the minority so they have no say and must be eliminated. Yet, he is the minority here and is allowed to spew whatever vile things he wants to say and is not silenced. If one of us went on huffpo or kos we would be gone in a NY minute, because they are so Tolerant. It boggles the mind.
BeachBum on May 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM
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