A REMINDER:

There are absolutely NO returns of a used Sebelius!!!

- KANSAS

landlines on November 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

+403,730 (approximate number of abortions performed in Kansas from 1971-2011)

I want to know if I have to pay the tax on my plan for having nice insurance. My co pays have gone up, for the level of insurance that I have, and maybe I want insurance without co pays and without a tax on it, but you can’t figure it out.

do you think Obama had any clue about how his “vision” would operate? and do you think he checked up/down stream for the dominoes that will fall? or was it strictly a “vision”?

teejk on November 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Frank Marshall Davis painted the “vision” for him.

Previous failed attempts at a utopian socialist society were only limited by those doing the implementation.

Obama’s “vision” is that this time it will work to success because HE is pulling the levers.

While his “vision” may not be fully formed, it doesn’t have to be because he IS smarter than those that came before him.

In his mind ONLY he can make it work. (With a little help from Valerie Jarrett, of course.)

Carnac on November 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM

do you think Obama had any clue about how his “vision” would operate? and do you think he checked up/down stream for the dominoes that will fall? or was it strictly a “vision”?

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 1:07 PM

When Congress wouldn’t pass a DREAM Act, what did he do? He violated the constitution and the law and basically ordered his employees in ICE to disobey the law.

When Federal judges held the administration in contempt of court for their foot dragging on gulf permits, did they start obeying the courts, after either contempt citing? Nope, they keep suppressing drilling as much as they can.

Is Executive Privilege ever supposed to be used to protect whole cabinet level agencies from investigation? Nope, but he’s doing it with Fast & Furious.

The Constitution, laws, don’t matter to this guy. Not one whit. And why don’t I just move out of the country? Because my kids are here and my ex-wife won’t move with me and I’d be the target of a manhunt. I’m going to stock up on food and water, weapons and ammo and pray for the best in my country home.

Rush just made a comment about the extension of the deadline for bhocare. It seems that it will give the bhopress in the states to go after the governors to get the citizens all bent out of shape and DEMAND bhocare!

letget on November 16, 2012 at 1:39 PM

If one were to review my previous comments, for which I have been slapped silly, it would seem that Rush and I think a lot alike.

Obama doesn’t pay any measure to the Supreme Court telling him he can’t force an unwilling state to take action.

He won’t call it a “gun-to-the-head”. It’s just a “negotiation”. (And if that does not go well, then the ‘Chicago Way’ is a literal “gun-to-the-head”.)

KISS THE RING!

There are absolutely NO returns of a used Sebelius!!!

- KANSAS

Please, people, if this is the case, don’t cave and do all you can to not have the governors cave!
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Can’t believe governors or states are balking at implementing such a great idea.

IceCold on November 16, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Implementation is a job-killer. Jobs will flock to states that do not implement. Just another example of government screwing things up when it gets involved ….

From: David Catron at American Spectator

“Resisting the implementation of exchanges is good for hiring and investment. The law’s employer mandate assesses penalties — up to $3,000 per employee — only to businesses who don’t satisfy federally-approved health insurance standards and whose employees receive ‘premium assistance’ through the exchanges.”

In other words, a state that declines to set up an exchange will protect the businesses of that state from avoidable and job-killing penalties. This reality has apparently begun to sink in. There has been a noticeable decline in enthusiasm for exchanges among states that had begun work on them shortly after Obamacare passed. North Dakota, New Hampshire, Idaho and South Carolina, to name a few, have abandoned plans to create these insurance “marketplaces.” Kaiser Health News reports that, by the end of June, “only 14 states and the District of Columbia have so far passed legislation authorizing the exchanges.”

Gawd, I LOVE living in Texas!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM
the Government has no business drug testing anyone, except as an employer.

Slade73 on November 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I respectfully disagree… If you want your check, provide a random sample and a scheduled one on “payday”…

Damn, what a great innovation. Why hasn’t the private economy offered anything like this for the last 3,000 years? Its seems kind of obvious now that the genius graduates of the JFK Govt. school have discovered it.

Can’t believe governors or states are balking at implementing such a great idea.

Medicare on the other hand is entirely a federal thing and they are charged with the fraud aspects.

Are you guys saying that we can no longer do anything against Obama?

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’m saying there are no limits to which he won’t go to get what he wants.

All Governor’s will eventually comply with Obama’s will. It’s just a matter of the quantity of pressure being applied.

For Christie it was a hurricane.

Christie kissed the ring. And so will the remainder.

Everyone should recall how the federal government threatened to kill highway funds going to the states if they refused to raise the drinking age to 21.

If Obama wants the states to do something he is not beyond making them do so. For example, he could cut off the state, and its people, from all federal funding. The media will ensure that the Republican governors are demagogued as the cause. The “poor” will want their checks and riot in the streets under the guidance of their “community organizer’s”.

They will be forced to play. It’s the ‘Chicago Way’.

Carnac on November 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Yes, but you need to go read the actual Supreme Court case, South Dakota v Dole, 483 U.S. 203 (1987). The Federal government may only tie funds to mandates if the conditions are reasonable and directly related to the matter. In the case of the highway funds, the amount the Federal government was threatening to withhold from South Dakota was a mere 5% of the Federal highway money that the government was going to pay to the state.

The Court in the Obamacare ruling held that under the 10th Amendment, Congress cannot mandate states create exchanges or do much anything else by either outright command or “holding the gun due and owing funds to their heads.” The Court, SPECIFICALLY, addressed the “gun-to-the-head” using the precedent set in Dole.

Roberts wrote about the legislation’s attempt to put a gun to the heads of the states vis-a-vis the Medicaid expansion. Under the legislation, if states did not expand Medicaid, the government purported to have the authority to deny any or all of Medicaid funding that would already be due and owing under currently existing law. The Court SPECIFICALLY rejected this argument and found that part of the law unconstitutional.

Also.. once this crap hits the fan, people are not going to throw parades to support it. When it gets lose to November 2014, there is going to be a wave of awakening to just what ObamaCare is. I still know some people who think “ObamaCare has been wonderful. What’s the big deal” Then I tell them it hasn’t even taken effect yet and they don’t believe me. Well, it’s coming. And 10 months after it takes effect there are going to be congressional elections.

ObamaCare does not need to be repealed. It can be amended by simple majority vote. The new “Health and Security Amendment Act” can rip out it’s guts and make it totally dead.

Republicans don’t need to compromise. They need to get creative!
Remember, 60,000,000 people voted against Obama. Those people did not just disappear after election day. They are still here and still are saying no to Obama!

… our state just voted and said that the state government does not have the authority to set up an exchange without the voted consent of the people.

Logus on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Unless the federal government forces the state government to do so, thus trumping the direct consent of the people.

You see, we have a representative form of government, not a true democracy. We elect our representatives and THEY decide what we will be forced to do.

And believe me. Obama will decide. God help us.

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Take some advice from someone who knows…

Before the last election, he moved billions from pot A to kettle B in order to hide the truth about Medicare Advantage cuts.

This time he’ll take action based upon never having to face the electorate again.

Watch and learn.

Carnac on November 16, 2012 at 12:18 PM

He can’t move $170 billion every year.

Are you claiming, too, that he can order the states to expand Medicaid? Are you going to say that individuals have to purchase insurance on Federal exchanges even though the law says otherwise, because under Roberts’ ruling the “ta-penalty” will be ripe for challenge under such reading in 2014?

Are you guys saying that we can no longer do anything against Obama?

If so, then why are you even here? Why aren’t you packing and getting your $450 together so that you can renounce your citizenship?

I know that you’re depressed over Obama’s reelection, but I haven’t seen such defeatism and nihilism since Bush was reelected and Democrats were suffering from PESTS – Post-Election Stress and Trauma Syndrome in 2004/5.

the Government has no business drug testing anyone, except as an employer.

Slade73 on November 16, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Many take the government dole to buy and deal drugs….
I also say if you get arrested and convicted – the benefits also stop….

The govs should now present their own plan: sell various types of policies on the open market — full coverage, catastrophic, cash for small procedures — and take care of the very poor with Medicaid. Allow doctors to choose, too, like the surgeons at Reason with a cash practice completely.

PattyJ on November 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Many states now have their own programs for high-risk pre-existing conditions health insurance, partly subsidized. As you might expect, the number of people signing up is far lower than the proggies claimed needed it from Obamacare.

Most of the justifications for Obamacare are not fixed by Obamacare, big surprise.