Escalation: Hamas aims rockets at Jerusalem

posted at 12:11 pm on November 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Every few years, Hamas’ rocket fire into southern Israel intensifies to the point where Israel has little choice but to respond, and every few years a shooting war erupts that usually ends with Israeli troops in Gaza and the world demanding a cease-fire from both sides.  Those calls actually produced a cease-fire that lasted about three hours before Hamas sent more rockets out of Gaza again, unleashing longer-range rockets that took aim at Israel’s commercial center of Tel Aviv.

Today, however, Hamas ratcheted up the stakes by aiming for the first time at Jerusalem, the holy city for Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike:

Palestinian militants fired a rocket aimed at Jerusalem on Friday, setting off air raid sirens throughout the city and opening a new front in three days of fierce fighting between Israel and armed groups in the Gaza Strip.

The Israeli campaign has been limited to airstrikes so far. But military officials say they are considering expanding it to a ground campaign.

Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich, a military spokeswoman, said the military had called 16,000 reservists to duty on Friday as it geared up for a possible ground offensive.

She said the army had authority to draft an additional 14,000 soldiers. She would not say where the troops were deployed.

The Jerusalem Post reports that two rockets headed toward Jerusalem, but that both missed:

Two rockets landed outside of Jerusalem Friday evening as sirens rang out, causing no injuries or damage. Police reported that there was “no indication” that rockets landed in the city, stating that “most likely, the rockets landed in an open area outside of Jerusalem.”

Hamas took credit for the attack, claiming to have shot “an improved Kassam,” which it called an M-75, towards Jerusalem. The launch represents the first Hamas rocket attack aimed at Jerusalem. …

Hours earlier, two rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip in the direction of the greater Tel Aviv area and prompted a red alert air raid siren to be sounded in the city for the second straight day.

The IDF stated that no rocket impact was located in Tel Aviv, but local residents reported hearing an explosion following the siren. No injuries or damage were reported.

The armed wing of Hamas claimed responsibility for that attack as well.

As air-raid sirens went off in Jerusalem, witnesses said they saw a stream of smoke in Mevasseret Zion, a Jerusalem suburb.

This escalation is new, and it puts yet another big hurdle into the long-fruitless negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians. When Barack Obama issued a call for Israel to pursue peace on the basis of the pre-1967 borders, Israelis objected to both the fact of Obama’s statement and its substance.  Israel has insisted that borders remain an issue to be resolved in negotiations for a two-state solution, not a prerequisite to those negotiations.  More to the point, though, they have claimed with a large amount of historical precedent on their side that those borders were indefensible, especially against an enemy that wants to eradicate them rather than find ways for peaceful coexistence — an argument that implicitly and explicitly argues that Hamas and the Palestinian Authority don’t want a two-state solution at all, which Hamas more or less acknowledges anyway.

Now that Hamas has rockets capable of hitting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, Israelis may rethink their declared support for a two-state solution as well.  This very outcome was why Israel has blockaded Gaza — they wanted to prevent the smuggling of larger-range rockets from Iran that would put the whole of Israel under Hamas’ fire.  These attacks almost certainly guarantee that the IDF will conduct a ground incursion into Gaza, which might be Hamas’ preferred outcome, too.  They may be hoping that with a new Islamist regime in Cairo, the Egyptian army might march into Gaza to repel the IDF and set off a regional war.  This latest round of rocket attacks comes just three months after Mohamed Morsi consolidated his power over the Egyptian military, which may or may not be a coincidence, but I’d bet on the latter.

This has the potential to get very ugly, very fast.  The US will need to use whatever influence we still have in Cairo — which doesn’t appear to be much, according to Obama himself — to warn Morsi that the US will not tolerate an Egyptian escalation, and that we expect them to stick to the peace agreement that brings in a billion dollars a year from us.  Will that work?  It’s difficult to say.  This would be a good time to pray for cooler heads to prevail, but even if that happens, the aftershocks of these attacks on Jerusalem and Tel Aviv will be likely to continue for a long time.

If you’re inclined to pray for peace, this would be a very good time to do so.

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Flatten Gaza!
For that matter, I’d like to see much of the middle east turned into a big glass parking lot….

dentarthurdent on November 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Why are the Palestinians bombing their own capital? /

The BBC reported the rockets hitting Tel Aviv yesterday as “1st attack on Israeli capital since 1991 Gulf War.”

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Hey Barry, OWN IT!

reddevil on November 16, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Quick – somebody send them the coordinates for the Dome on the Rock!

AubieJon on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

And the lsm is defending gaza right on queue

The big bad Israeli and all of their weaponry against little old gaza

Ummm who fired first you idgits

cmsinaz on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

While I would pray for peace – I see a side not interested in discussing it with any seriousness. This will force Israel off the fence. Let’s fight a war – a real one. And Egypt won’t attack. They don’t want to lose their territory again.

Zomcon JEM on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Barry get on the phone to China (our debt lords) and see what they want you to do!!!!

FORWARD!!!

PappyD61 on November 16, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Quick – somebody send them the coordinates for the Dome on the Rock!

AubieJon on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

You beat me to it. I’m commanded to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, but I can’t help hoping that if Jerusalem is ever hit, it’s right there.

Eren on November 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Suez Canal or Bust!!!

If Egypt is dumb enough to attack Israel alone, they will be pushed back so fast…..

ny59giants on November 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

hamas just cannot help itself.
These guys justify the Israeli postion every chance they get.

Jabberwock on November 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

How’s that Cairo speech workin’ out for ya, Captain Bomber Jacket?

TXUS on November 16, 2012 at 12:24 PM

If you’re inclined to pray for peace, this would be a very good time to do so.

I can’t pray for peace, when “peace” would mean the status quo of the Palestinians getting off the hook for terrorism yet again. In the long-term, yes definitely, praying for peace but not in the short-term here; some wars need to be fought.

thebrokenrattle on November 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The US will need to use whatever influence we still have in Cairo — which doesn’t appear to be much, according to Obama himself — to warn Morsi that the US will not tolerate an Egyptian escalation, and that we expect them to stick to the peace agreement that brings in a billion dollars a year from us.

Ed — you are assuming that Obama wants Israel to survive a massed Arab attack. What in his, Valerie Jarrett’s, Susan Rice’s, Samatha Powers’s and Hilary Clinton’s histories suggests any one of them will lift a finger to support Israel against the Palestinians — much less the Egyptians, the Syrians, Hezbullah, etc.?

catsandbooks on November 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Israel just recalled 30,000 reservists.

Israel will win this one, but she will be hated even more.

Obama, no matter what he spews, will side with his brothers. He made them.

The Arab ‘Spring’ is his baby. Open your eyes, fools.

Schadenfreude on November 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Sometimes I wonder if the result of the escalation was because things were going well for a while. The Israelis had eased restrictions on the travel of arabs from the west bank. This results in shopping/selling and an increased quality of life for everyone. Now, they’ll probably have to go back to restrictions on travel.

Blake on November 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM

They may be hoping that with a new Islamist regime in Cairo, the Egyptian army might march into Gaza to repel the IDF and set off a regional war. This latest round of rocket attacks comes just three months after Mohamed Morsi consolidated his power over the Egyptian military, which may or may not be a coincidence, but I’d bet on the latter.

Yep. It doesn’t have to happen right away. This may just be foreplay to set the mood. Obama’s re-election plays a part in all this.

a capella on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Quick – somebody send them the coordinates for the Dome on the Rock!

AubieJon on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Wouldn’t it be a shame if a rocket “accidentally” hit that place. The Dome had an explosion? Gee, those Palestinians sure have bad aim, they destroyed their own sacred spot.

rbj on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Israel should open the border between Gaza and Egypt, and drive every last Fakostinian through it into Egypt. Let the Egyptians suck on that…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Hey Barry, OWN IT!

reddevil on November 16, 2012 at 12:18 PM

“Sniff, sniff – can’t I just eat my waffle?”

Gator Country on November 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM

catsandbooks on November 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM

He may have little inclination to “help” Israel but does he want to be the guy who was POTUS when Israel figured they were on their own and had no recourse but to fight without restraint?

Do we know how far Israel will go if they are backed into the corner?

katiejane on November 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Time to head for the hills.

Deano1952 on November 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I think we still have authority to put troops in the Sinai as “peace keeping” forces under the Camp David accords. We did have troops there for a long time but I think they were removed in the 1990′s.

crosspatch on November 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Time for a Bronco Bama photo op in Gaza!

But no Bomber Jacket this time. Go with the Keffiyeh.

Curtiss on November 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I think we still have authority to put troops in the Sinai as “peace keeping” forces under the Camp David accords. We did have troops there for a long time but I think they were removed in the 1990′s.

crosspatch on November 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Stupid idea. Let Israel crush the Fakostinians and drive them into Egypt. If Egypt get’s involved, then we should offer Israel whatever support Israel requests.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Well will hill get involved? Probably not, she is in Australia wine tasting!

bho can’t do squat, no one takes that worm serious, no one!
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letget on November 16, 2012 at 12:34 PM

note to MSM.

Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.

ted c on November 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Katiejane but he’ll get praise from his buddies

cmsinaz on November 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

displace everyone in gaza, preferably with bulldozers, build a resort and tell the Muslim world to go to hell.

ted c on November 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM

If a full out war breaks out in Israel, the world better hope that Israel wins.
Nobody over there would be fighting for what the Israeli’s are.
That would be their very existance. Is Egypt REALLY ready push that reality ?
When in that position, if you are to lose, everybody loses with you. You have nothing to lose at that point. Nothing at all.

Jabberwock on November 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Everybody get your bomber jackets on.

Bishop on November 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Israel should open the border between Gaza and Egypt, and drive every last Fakostinian through it into Egypt. Let the Egyptians suck on that…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Nice idea, but I’d prefer a westward push — into the Med…

affenhauer on November 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

They may be hoping that with a new Islamist regime in Cairo, the Egyptian army might march into Gaza to repel the IDF and set off a regional war.

Nice Aswan Dam you have there, it would be a shame if anything happened to it.

slickwillie2001 on November 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Nice idea, but I’d prefer a westward push — into the Med…

affenhauer on November 16, 2012 at 12:38 PM

And pollute the Med for the next 10,000 years, never…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I think we still have authority to put troops in the Sinai as “peace keeping” forces under the Camp David accords. We did have troops there for a long time but I think they were removed in the 1990′s.

crosspatch on November 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Bad idea.
Given how well Obumble supported our personnel under fire in Benghazi – I dread the idea of what might happen if our troops get caught in the middle of a shootout in the Sinai – likely unarmed or with ROE that says we can’t shoot back, and definitely no backup available.
I agree with SWalker – let the IDF crush everyone who takes a shot at them.

dentarthurdent on November 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Anyone here that can give us a status on the post-revolution state of the Egyptian armed forces?

slickwillie2001 on November 16, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Given that Obama has shown off our current military capability for a middle-east quick response in his reaction to Benghazi, I’m not hopeful that he can do anything in this situation except make it worse.

Socratease on November 16, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Nice Aswan Dam you have there, it would be a shame if anything happened to it.

slickwillie2001 on November 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Meh… The Muslims probably wouldn’t care. It would just be another “Will of Allah” thing to them.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Were the Gaza missiles a retaliation for Israel’s strike against Syria? It’s certainly a possibility.

Will President Barack Hussein Obama continue to defend our closest ally, or will he stand with the Muslims “should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”?

Considering Israel launched their attack on Syria after Obama’s re-election, I think Israel’s Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu knows exactly where Obama stands.

So, they threw the first punch.

I hope y’all are all prayed up.

kingsjester on November 16, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.

ted c on November 16, 2012 at 12:35

PM

Capital

Schadenfreude on November 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Here is an idea, mostly stolen from Bill Whittle….

Take a couple of Israeli fighter jets capable of super sonic flight and have them buzz whatever passes for the Hamas HQ and Gaza business district at about 100 feet. Break some windows.

Then wait. If more rockets, repeat, just with lots more jets over the rest of Gaza.

Then wait. If more rockets, repeat, this time drop some bombs.

At some point, they are going to get the message.

AndrewsDad on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The end times are upon us

Norwegian on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.

ted c on November 16, 2012 at 12:35

PM

Capital

Schadenfreude on November 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Don’t be silly, a nation can only have a Capitol if the Marxist Fifth Column Treasonous Media desids it has a Capitol, who the he3ll to those Israeli’s think they are choosing their own Capitol… o_O

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:48 PM

At some point, they are going to get the message.

AndrewsDad on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

You apparently do not grasp the depth of Islamic hatred for Israel.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:49 PM

So they take out the Dome of the Rock with an errant shot.
That will be a real show. Then you will need popcorn.

BullShooterAsInElk on November 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Arab Spring ==========> Autumn Middle East ablaze and world closer to war.

freedomfirst on November 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Be a shame if one of those rockets hit that shiny gold dome in Jerusalem. Oh, well. Perhaps the Israelis could build something else on that spot…

CJ on November 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Israel should open the border between Gaza and Egypt, and drive every last Fakostinian through it into Egypt. Let the Egyptians suck on that…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:29 PM

It would be an interesting move on Israel’s behalf.
Like all the other countries over there Egypt would not have ‘em.
A mass exodus of Palistinians is more frightening to them than a war with Israel.
But you cannot have one without the other.

Jabberwock on November 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The end times are upon us

Norwegian on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Can I finish my last Twinkie first?

Sorry… humor is my only defense when I’m worried for my family.

SteveInRTP on November 16, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Destroy the place. It’s time they stop hiding behind each others skirts. You start a fight/war, it’s not over til you win or you’re dead! This never ending war BS, is just plain stupid to accept! Make the pain so unbearable, that they don’t try again! Vlad “The Impaler” had it right! Muslims don’t understand anything short of total annihilation, so give it to them!

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM

The end times are upon us

Norwegian on November 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM

This is what we need to pray for!

Deano1952 on November 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Sorry, the writing is already on the wall, God quit blessing America when America elected Obama.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Meh, Nobel Peace Prize Winner and God of America will fix it.

All hail the Lord King Baracka I.

And hey, that’s meant to be a compliment.

NO ONE……NO ONE can match his skill and power in American politics.

Politicians quake in his very presence. Boehner nearly weeps, McConnells’ chin waddle quivers, Harry Reids’ glasses tremble and Rubios’ story about his immigrant parents gets muddled.

Middle east peace? To Barry it’s all no problemo. Israel just needs to move, and stop occupying the Muslims’ land.

PappyD61 on November 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM

But you cannot have one without the other.

Jabberwock on November 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Israel already has a war, no sense not evicting the Fakostinians.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Why does Israel provide electricity and water to Gaza?

When are they going to get serious about the situation?

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Quick – somebody send them the coordinates for the Dome on the Rock!

AubieJon on November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM

+ 1000

portlandon on November 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Why does Israel provide electricity and water to Gaza?

When are they going to get serious about the situation?

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

They do so because the Media world wide would accuse them of being baby killers if they didn’t.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Someone is gonna ride in on a white horse and fix this thing, once and for all.

Repent.

portlandon on November 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Why does Israel provide electricity and water to Gaza?

When are they going to get serious about the situation?

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

They do so because the Media world wide would accuse them of being baby killers if they didn’t.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

As opposed to what they are doing now?

They get accused of that anyway and seriously, who cares what your enemy says about you.

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

He may have little inclination to “help” Israel but does he want to be the guy who was POTUS when Israel figured they were on their own and had no recourse but to fight without restraint?

Do we know how far Israel will go if they are backed into the corner?

katiejane on November 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Another bad assumption. Obama knows that whatever goof he makes, no matter how bad the outcome, the LSM will cover for him. And he also knows that he is right. Any decision he makes is the correct one. He is incapable of making a wrong decision. Why would history judge him other than perfect? The LSM tells him every minute of every day that he is infallible. So if he abandons Israel, it is the only correct decision to make.

catsandbooks on November 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

They do so because the Media world wide would accuse them of being baby killers if they didn’t.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

As opposed to what they are doing now?

They get accused of that anyway and seriously, who cares what your enemy says about you.

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Yeah exactly, it’s like conservatives worrying about doing something that will make liberals call them racist even more. Or libertarians worrying about doing something that will earn them more idiotic Nazi comparisons from the Simple Simons on the right.

In either case the message people need to comprehend is that they’re going to do it anyway. So you might as well buck up, flip them half a peace sign, and keep on going.

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Does Israel shot down Hamas’ missiles that overshot and will hit in the land of the Palestinian Authority?

goatweed on November 16, 2012 at 1:13 PM

They get accused of that anyway and seriously, who cares what your enemy says about you.

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Welcome to the Brave New World we live in. Republicans are afraid of being called names by Democrats, the Israeli’s for some damned inexplicable reason are worried about what their enemies think of them. Hell even the Lions and Tigers and Bears are now afraid of being sued to death by the Deer, the Antelopes and the Goats…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Has Palliwood gone into production yet?

RobertE on November 16, 2012 at 1:15 PM

I pray they score multiple direct hits destroying the golden domed mosque to rubble. Let the temple be rebuilt!!!

AH_C on November 16, 2012 at 1:15 PM

In either case the message people need to comprehend is that they’re going to do it anyway. So you might as well buck up, flip them half a peace sign, and keep on going.

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I agree. They need to deal with attacks from Gaza as an act of war and respond accordingly. Right now they treat it as some sort of riot, or civil unrest, and go out of their way not to harm the civilians that are screaming for their blood.

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Drive every last Muslim Arab out of Gaza, out of the West Bank and out of Israel proper. The world will shriek, but the world will shriek just as loudly if Isarael merely stands by and allows itself to be destroyed. No matter what Israel does or does not do, the Palestinians win the PR war by default. Bibi knows this, and Bibi also knows Obama will not lift a finger to stop the Arabs from destroying Israel. I hope Bibi repeats Cast Lead, but finishes the job instead of agreeing to yet another bogus cease-fire.

catsandbooks on November 16, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Welcome to the Brave New World we live in. Republicans are afraid of being called names by Democrats, the Israeli’s for some damned inexplicable reason are worried about what their enemies think of them.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

The Palestinians are smarter than the Israeli’s just as the Democrats are smarter than conservatives. This is a war and they are fighting to win and they know that the will of the people matter, not the weapons. Conservatives keep saying that guns don’t kill people, people kill people, without really understanding what that means in a larger context. Having all the weapons in the world doesn’t matter if you lack the will to use them, or lack faith in your own cause.

sharrukin on November 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.

ted c on November 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Na-uh! It’s the capitol of the State of Palestine, which has ALWAYS been there. There has NEVER been a State of Israel and we CAN prove it. Just look at these 6th grade geography books from a school in Gaza! See that? NO ISRAEL.

What’s that you say? Oh, P-U-H-L-E-A-S-E!!! Those were NOT Jews living in Judaea and Samaria, the capitol of the Kingdom of Israel, in the 8th century BC. Damn, my good man, what are you thinking? They were Muslim Palestinians with Muslim surnames like Horowitz, Hirschfeld, and Cohen that Jews stole from the years later.

What’s that you say? Mohammed didn’t create Islam until the 4th century AD?

You lie, you dirty, lying, sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, theocratic, maniacal, homicidal, suicidal, totalitarian, Islamophobic, Nazi-loving Zionist!!!!

How else could Muslim Palestinians have lived in Judea and the Kingdom of Israel in the 5th century BC, if the Prophet Mohammed wasn’t born until the 4th century AD? Huh? Huh, you big, fat, lying liar!!

/

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

If Egypt is dumb enough to attack Israel alone, they will be pushed back so fast…..

ny59giants on November 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM

This time, Egypt will have full and unconditional support of the American President, army equipped by American corporations and bankrolled by American taxpayers. It will not be easy to repel them again.

Archivarix on November 16, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Arab Spring ==========> Autumn Middle East ablaze and world closer to war.

freedomfirst on November 16, 2012 at 12:51 PM

“Arab Spring? I built that!” – President Barack Obama

“Autumn Middle East? Bush’s fault!” – President Barack Obama

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Isaac, Ishmael.
Carry on.

pambi on November 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

What’s that you say? Mohammed didn’t create Islam until the 4th century AD?

You lie, you dirty, lying, sexist, racist, bigoted, homophobic, theocratic, maniacal, homicidal, suicidal, totalitarian, Islamophobic, Nazi-loving Zionist!!!!

How else could Muslim Palestinians have lived in Judea and the Kingdom of Israel in the 5th century BC, if the Prophet Mohammed wasn’t born until the 4th century AD? Huh? Huh, you big, fat, lying liar!!

/

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Cough cough… Mohammad the Pedophile was born in 570AD and didn’t “Invent” Islam until 622AD. Just sayin…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Isn’t the Dome built on the Temple? i.e. it would blow up the wailing wall too.

That said, I’m for seeing the Gaza Strip become a Gaza Strip mall and parking lot.

The_Livewire on November 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’ll pray for peace, but I sure would not mind if the Dome of the Rock got hit by one of these rockets.

Make Humus from Hamas.

Shaughnessy on November 16, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Isn’t the Dome built on the Temple? i.e. it would blow up the wailing wall too.

That said, I’m for seeing the Gaza Strip become a Gaza Strip mall and parking lot.

The_Livewire on November 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I’ll pray for peace, but I sure would not mind if the Dome of the Rock got hit by one of these rockets.

Make Humus from Hamas.

Shaughnessy on November 16, 2012 at 1:34 PM

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:41 PM

There are no peaceful Muslims.
Israel should just napalm Gaza and poison the water.
Put an end to the Hamas scum.
To win a war. you must deprive the enemy of food, weapons, and reinforcements.

dirtengineer on November 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Frankly, I think Israel needs to clean out Gaza. Take all of them and ship them to the West Bank. Take a bunch of the settlers there and move them to Gaza. Let the “refugees” from Gaza live in the former settlers’ homes.

It’ll piss everyone off short-term. But it takes Gaza off the table as far as being a physical source of trouble and isolates all of the sh*theads in one area.

Then tell the Palestinians to take it or leave it. The West Bank is now their home. If they want to have it be an actual state, with diplomatic and economic relations with Israel, great. If not? Wuddeva. There’s a fence up that works well. Iron Dome can be focused on one territory instead of two. The terrorists can stew in their own waste. It’s up to them.

Yeah, yeah. There’ll be “International Outrage”, and cries of genocide. So what. That’s gonna happen no matter what Israel does. Israel may as well get some peace of mind, and perhaps some strategic stability, out of the whole mess.

It’s time to stop playing nice. It’s either this, or a binary solution: Either Israel gets paved over (with a consequential retaliatory strike that kills 10s of millions of people in the Middle East), or Israel just pre-emptively kicks all of the Palestinians out of the territories and hunkers down for a long, dark period of solitude.

We have family friends, by the way, who are visiting from Tel Aviv. They are in their 70s and 80s. They’re pretty convinced that Israel isn’t going to make it. It broke my heart when they said so yesterday. The resignation that they’re exhibiting and that they say is endemic to their circle of friends is terrifying.

G-d bless them.

nukemhill on November 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Can somebody point smelley1228 in this direction so he/she/it can see an example of real anti-Semites in action?

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Cough cough… Mohammad the Pedophile was born in 570AD and didn’t “Invent” Islam until 622AD. Just sayin…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Do you think that they teach MATH in madrassas?

I can recite the entire Qur’an forwards and backwards…on 78 RPM…just like the man known as “Jesus Christ a/k/a God a/k/a Charlie Manson,” according to his Los Angeles County booking sheet, can do with the Beatles’ Helter-Skelter. The imam told us all about him. He sounds very wise, may the peace of Allah be upon him. He kills wives and sons of Jews, may the peace of Allah be upon him. A martyr and political prisoner for the world movement to stop the oppression of peoples by the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy, may the peace of Allah be upon him.

/

Resist We Much on November 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Can somebody point smelley1228 in this direction so he/she/it can see an example of real anti-Semites in action?

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

What? Ron Paul posted on this thread? Where?

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Thanks to “Smart Diplomacy” we have a lot of influence in that part of the world.

Why are you laughing?

GarandFan on November 16, 2012 at 1:54 PM

What? Ron Paul posted on this thread? Where?

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

In the thread titled “SWalker is a moron.”

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Question for those in the know: What artillery does Israel have for counterbattery fire?

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Too bad for Israel this happened right after the election (coincidence, for sure). Obama will now only think about his next election – as head of the UN and how this will help that. That does not fall on the side of Israel.

Deets on November 16, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Obama, no matter what he spews, will side with his brothers. He made them.

The Arab ‘Spring’ is his baby. Open your eyes, fools.

Schadenfreude on November 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM


What he said.

CorporatePiggy on November 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 1:51 PM

In the thread titled “SWalker is a moron.”

MelonCollie on November 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM

wow dude… Your wit is teh awesome… Not…

SWalker on November 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The egyptian army repel the IDF?????????? Cmon Ed, the IDF will obliterate those tools.

jephthah on November 16, 2012 at 2:41 PM

This escalation is new, and it puts yet another big hurdle into the long-fruitless negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

Rockets directed at Tel Aviv or Jerusalem are attacks on Israel just like attacks on Ashkelon or any hamlet in the Golan. All those attacks are indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilian areas.

More to the point, though, they have claimed with a large amount of historical precedent on their side that those borders (1967) were indefensible.

What historical precedent are you referring to? How is that starting point for negotiations different now than it was for any prior US Administrations? If they want distance from the Palestinians why set up civilian settlements in the heart of those areas and along the edge of those disputed territories?

They may be hoping that with a new Islamist regime in Cairo, the Egyptian army might march into Gaza to repel the IDF and set off a regional war.

They are smarter than that and so are you.

Those calls actually produced a cease-fire that lasted about three hours before Hamas sent more rockets out of Gaza again, unleashing longer-range rockets that took aim at Israel’s commercial center of Tel Aviv.

Well if you are looking for a reason why Egypt might be incensed over the Israeli operation it is because they did make an effort to work with Hamas and the Israelis to secure a truce and as several Israeli papers reported, those negotiations did lead to an informal truce. That truce did lead to a period of calm but ended with the targeted killing of the Hamas guy responsible for enforcing the truce. He is a terrorist and an enemy of Israel but as analysts have pointed out, he was also the de-facto subcontractor and partner for Israel in Gaza who was in a position to reign in the motley assortment of militant groups there responsible for a significant portion of the rocket attacks. Was his ‘contract’ terminated for poor performance or were there other considerations?

So what is Israel’s strategy here? What do they hope to accomplish? That is the real question here. So far the only positive that I can see is that they have depleted Hamas’s weapons supply. Otherwise, there isn’t much to be gained and lots to lose. Another war in Gaza puts more pressure on Egypt to support Hamas. It further undermines the regime in Jordan. It takes attention away from the atrocities of the Assad regime. It diverts attention from Iran. Israel seems to be stuck with the same strategy it employed four years ago which failed. I can’t see how this operation enhances Israel’s long term security. It will play well at home politically but it offers Hamas a chance to do the same in Gaza and beyond.

lexhamfox on November 16, 2012 at 3:09 PM

We Were Soldiers (2002) – [Moore and Geoghegan a prayer before leaving for Vietnam]

Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: Our Father in Heaven, before we go into battle, every soldier among us will approach you each in his own way. Our enemies too, according to their own understanding, will ask for protection and for victory. And so, we bow before your infinite wisdom. We offer our prayers as best we can. I pray you watch over the young Jack Geoghegan. That I lead into battle. You use me as your instrument in this awful hell of war to watch over them. Especially if they’re men like this one beside me, deserving of a future in your blessing and goodwill. Amen.

2nd Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan: Amen.

Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: Oh, yes, and one more thing, dear Lord, about our enemies, ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bastards straight to Hell. Amen.

mechkiller_k on November 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM

The puppeteers here are Iran and Syria, who conveniently can now enjoy the world’s distraction from Syria’s 40,000 civil war dead and Iran’s nuclear weapons train steaming ahead.

They’re the ones who train, equip, fund, and control the armed groups in Gaza, just like Arab states and the Soviet Union did before them. And the world wants Israel to negotiate with Iran’s forward bases? LOL

AlexB on November 16, 2012 at 7:05 PM