Senate Republicans circulating draft of DREAM Act alternative

posted at 8:35 pm on November 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

I can’t understand why Senate Democrats would agree to this. Republicans are in a panic over the Latino vote; liberals have never had them in a more vulnerable position than they do now. If you’re Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer, why let the GOP off easy by settling for a limited amnesty that helps Republicans repair their image with Latinos while legalizing only a subset of the illegal population? Why not drive the hardest bargain you can and go for broke with full-blown comprehensive immigration reform? If the DREAM Act passes, it might embolden some GOP fencesitters into voting no later on a comprehensive bill on the theory that they’ve already done their duty by compromising on immigration. If I were Reid, I’d tell McConnell et al. that there’s no deal on DREAM unless it’s bundled into an omnibus immigration bill that addresses illegals of all ages.

Essentially, the proposal involves several tiers: W-1 visa status would allow an immigrant to attend college or serve in the military (they have six years to get a degree). After doing so, they would be eligible to apply for a four-year nonimmigrant work visa (also can be used for graduate degrees.)

Next, applicants would be eligible to apply for a permanent visa (no welfare benefits.) Finally, after a set number of years, citizenship “could follow…”

Many conservatives, of course, opposed the DREAM Act because it creates a special pathway to citizenship, allowing illegal immigrants to get in line ahead of other immigrants who are following the rules, and potentially creating a problem of chain migration.

The ACHIEVE Act seems to resolve this problem by granting undocumented children nonimmigrant visas so that they can go to school and work in the U.S., and, after a decade, or so, puts them on the regular pathway towards permanent residence (and potentially, citizenship.)

Follow the link up top for Matt Lewis’s list of eligibility qualifications. Applicants are limited to those 28 years old or younger (32 if they have a B.A.) who arrived in America before their 14th birthday. They need to have lived here for five years, “have knowledge of the English language,” and no criminal record beyond one misdemeanor. Rest assured that if the bill passes, all of these requirements will be summarily attacked in court by immigration lawyers in hopes of having them expanded or nullified, especially the provision excluding any new illegals who arrived within the past five years. Likewise, if there’s no pathway to citizenship included in the original bill because that’s where GOP fencesitters draw the line, Democrats will get straight to work afterward on pushing for an amendment to add one. (That “amendment” may come in the form of a larger comprehensive bill if this somehow does end up passing before they take that up.) Amnesty without citizenship is pointless for the left; labor groups aren’t thrilled about adding millions of new workers who’ll bid wages down but they’ll grudgingly accept it if it means millions more votes for organized labor’s political patrons. And in fairness, it’d be bizarre to grant someone a permanent visa under ACHIEVE on the theory that they’re part of America and blameless for the illegality that brought them here while also telling them that they can never, ever be eligible to fully participate in American democracy by voting. Second-class citizenship could cause more problems than a straight amnesty.

As for the politics, I think this is as coherent a case as can be made:

[I]f there is a path to citizenship for [illegals and permanent legal residents], it will only increase the already fast-rising clout of the Latino vote, which could be twice as big as it is now by 2030, according to Pew. What’s more, it’s hard to see former illegal immigrants and permanent residents voting against the party that gave them a path to citizenship.

Immigration, of course, isn’t the only issue that matters to Latino voters — and too often coverage of them suggests it is — but it is an issue which is very important to a very large portion of these voters.

And if immigration reform gets done without the GOP being on board, whether in this Congress or in the near future, it will be even worse for Republicans than 2012 was. Whatever problems they have with Latinos now, they will pale to the day when the GOP is matched up against a Democratic Party that successfully passed immigration reform without much or any Republican involvement.

Yeah. Any caving that the GOP does now isn’t about winning new votes, it’s about preventing further losses. Essentially, they’ll be trying to freeze their disadvantage with Latinos at 71/27 to buy time so that they can figure out a way to try to win back some voters and reduce the Democrats’ advantage. Problem is, even with a shift ongoing among Republicans on this issue, any amnesty bill is still going to pass primarily with Democratic support. (If it gets through the House, it may well be that only a minority of Republicans end up supporting it.) It’s a Democratic president who’ll sign it into law. If you’re a voter who cares about this issue, the lesson will be that you’re better off lining up with Democrats — at least in the near term — because (a) the Democrats get results and (b) Republicans will do most anything they can to try to get back in your good graces. Meanwhile, we’ll have ended up setting millions of people on a path to citizenship, and if the last 30 years are any guide, at best those voters are likely to break roughly 60/40 for Democrats on election day. Ronald Reagan amnestized millions of people in his second term. A few years later, his VP got a smaller share of the Latino vote than he did. Four years after that, he got a smaller share still. And four years after that, Bob Dole bottomed out at 21%. For all the angst over Romney’s showing among Latino voters this year, as a share of the electorate he actually did better than Bush in ’92 and Dole in ’96. If the GOP’s going to do amnesty, it had better do it because it fervently believes it’s the right thing to do. That’s the only way to justify the electoral losses it’s going to take from this.

Here’s Marco Rubio talking policy today with Major Garrett at the Aspen Institute. The immigration section starts at around 9:30. He said recently that he supports more border enforcement before dealing with amnesty questions, and he has a good line here about people not being willing to hear you out if they think you want to deport their grandmother. But as I say, that’s why immigration advocates will eventually push for full amnesty for everyone, no matter what restrictions are imposed in DREAM or ACHIEVE or comprehensive immigration reform. Will people hear us out if you make clear that you don’t want to deport grandma but also don’t want her to vote? She’s part of the country, after all. And she’s really impressed with the next generation of Democratic candidates.


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The Repoublican Party has a brand new symbol.

GONE are the days of the ELEPHANT!!!

Welcome to the new logo: “The CAVE”

Varchild on November 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I prefer Rush’s proposal. Full amnesty BUT, can’t vote for 25 years.

Mr. Arrogant on November 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

So, it’s gonna be an “us” vs “them” country. Nice.

Charlemagne on November 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

No, the GOP is finished if any version of this passes. Nationally for sure, and likely locally as well.

We must all obey the law. If that is not good enough for you, then your membership in the Democrat party awaits.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

The old guard are fools.

The benchers too.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Im hoping this is a temporary madness that will pass. Just slow everything down and think.

The GOP is beyond pathetic.

Did the Left go wobbly after the 2004 elections? After 2010? No.

Don’t go wobbly.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Why can’t we just enforce the laws we already have? Is that too much to ask?

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Is the GOP this desperate to hang on to power?? We’re going to have to let our girl go out with the loser and hope that she pulls her head out before it’s too late. If she does you then can reclaim her. If she doesn’t, game over. It’s not hard to figure out.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 8:49 PM

If Rs lose, they must cave. If they win, they must cave.

When do the Ds ever cave?

Make them this deal: repeal Ogabecare, have Ogabe sit 2 staunch conservatives on the SCOTUS…

then after 10 years of immigration enforcement, we amnesty only those illegals that can pass an rigorous American History test and publicly renounce allegiance to their home country.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

The Stupid Party.

Punchenko on November 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Why can’t we just enforce the laws we already have? Is that too much to ask?

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

racist! /s

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Let Rubio talk, and let nothing be done.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

On the plus side, I think that after another 4 years of Obamanomics, illegal immigration won’t be a problem for us. The Mexicans will be complaining of the illegal American immigrant problem.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The GOP are partners with the Democrats, NOT their opponents and we all need to realize that. They don’t really disagree with each other on much, they just have different target audiences.

sharrukin on November 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Not NO but F NO..

TEXASLEGAL on November 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

What the ____ does “have knowledge of the English language,” mean?

‘Senor, are you aware that there is a language known as English?’

‘Si.’

OK! Good enough!

Russ in OR on November 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Legalize everyone now and open the borders wide.

You Bark voters wanted this, you were TOLD this was coming, so it needs to be crammed down your throats with extreme prejudice along with everything else.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM

If Republicans pull the trigger on this, they can kiss my reliable vote goodbye. I live in a border state and I’m sick of importing poverty! Enough!

conservative_student on November 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

1. Make legal immigration easy.
2. Harsh punishment for anyone employing or harboring illegal immigrants.
3. Grant those illegal immigrants who are working and productive legal status.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Not NO but F NO..

TEXASLEGAL on November 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I moved from Dallas 25yrs ago. If you guys leave the union I’m coming back.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Actually, the USA Built By Immigrants banner could be countered by my late granny’s (born 1881–she adopted infant Mom when she was kinda old) USA Built By My Slave Daddy banner. Then again, my current gorgeous hedges and rosy perennials Built By Talented Illegals!!

Oohhh…Black/Latino cage match??

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I moved from Dallas 25yrs ago. If you guys leave the union I’m coming back.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Texas is about to become a boomtown. Many hold your sentiment.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

If Republicans pull the trigger on this, they can kiss my reliable vote goodbye. I live in a border state and I’m sick of importing poverty! Enough!

conservative_student on November 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Ageed! And they’re importing alot more crap than just poverty.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I’ll be voting “Dave” next election.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

There is one thing I know for sure anyone who thinks that there is any scenario under which the borders will eventually be enforced needs to put down the crack pipe.

Kataklysmic on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I don’t even care anymore – let it burn. Take as many excuses off the table for Democrats as possible and let them own this turd. Voters are never going to fully accept our prescriptions until we hit rock bottom.

The Count on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

No.

1 Enforce the immigration laws
2 Offer no amnesty
3 continue enforcing immigration laws
4 welcome legal, skilled immigrants only.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

There is one thing I know for sure anyone who thinks that there is any scenario under which the borders will eventually be enforced needs to put down the crack pipe.

Kataklysmic on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I can think of a few, all of them bad, and we would be not only building a fence but planting minefields and installing sentry guns.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Texas is about to become a boomtown. Many hold your sentiment.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

No, you mean a blue state…..

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

The democrats love this, the RINOS are giving democrats more voters. Romney didn’t lose because of the loss of Hispanic votes, Romney lost because he listened to the democrats who demanded he Hispander. The democrats knew that Romney Hispandering would discourage the working class white voters, who would then stay home, as it confirmed the claim Romney was a heartless outsourcer.. Obama didn’t need those white voters votes, he just needed them to stay home and not vote for Romney. Boehner, and others like him are disconnected, Rubio isn’t a conservative, his parents were socialists who fled Cuba when they thought no revolution would take place. They returned to Cuba after the revolution, but fled when they realized they weren’t going to profit from it. Rubio has a record of corruption in Florida, he, like Jeb Bush want a Hispanic filled US to give them the banana republic junta of their dreams.

Ceolas on November 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

If you’re a voter who cares about this issue, the lesson will be that you’re better off lining up with Democrats — at least in the near term — because (a) the Democrats get results and (b) Republicans will do most anything they can to try to get back in your good graces.

Open ‘em up.

Legalize the weed, so we can par-tay. Then, let’s have a huge national celebration — United States Hearts Mexico Day — Week — and have Boehner dance on camera.

We love you guys! We love you guys SO MUCH! <- Be sure he means it; there should be Sangria lubricated tears.

Amnesty, shamnesty. Mi casa es su casa! Immediately start teaching students a bi-lingual curriculum. En Español, por favor, Dah-veed.

And then — next election cycle — Republicans can giggle (En Español, por favor!) over — about — 30% of the newly-legalish Mexican vote that wasn’t enough to overcome the 70% that permanently ejected them from power.

And the rest of us can eat really well until the food’s gone.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

There is one thing I know for sure anyone who thinks that there is any scenario under which the borders will eventually be enforced needs to put down the crack pipe.

Kataklysmic on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Thats right, the border will never ever be secured. Ever.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Legalize everyone now and open the borders wide.

You Bark voters wanted this, you were TOLD this was coming, so it needs to be crammed down your throats with extreme prejudice along with everything else.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM

What, besides the cost of lawn maintenance declining, do you think would happen?

It’s not as though people who can barely read or write in Spanish are stealing good jobs and — as the last few years have proved — if the job market for unskilled labor contracts, immigration will reduce of its own accord.

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

4 welcome legal, skilled immigrants only.

Who decides the skills? There are many immigrants who come here with nothing but become very talented tradesmen. That is the American dream. If you want to come here to work and make a life for yourself, who am I to say no?

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Interesting the choice of photos used by Hot Air for this story on the main page.

USA Built by Immigrants

They could just have easily put up a photo of the devastation wrought on the landscape of the border area of the Southwest United States.

Or they could put up a montage of mugshots of illegal aliens who have committed violent crimes and other types of felonies.

Or they could use a photo of the million plus demonstrators who flooded the streets back in 2007 May Day during the last Amnsety push, waving Mexican flags and holding signs with messages such as: Whites out- go back to Europe.

Hot Air is every bit as much part of the State Media complex. All about managing perception rather than reporting the facts.

The Unites States was not “built by immigrants”. It was built by, and has been populated since it’s inception by people who were born here.

sartana on November 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I have joined up with the 8 million white voters who didn’t show up to vote for Romney.After holding my nose in 2008 and 2012 to vote for McCain and Romneyand now seeing all these so called conservatives puckering up to kiss illegal alien ass I have had it.The GOP must be destroyed!

redware on November 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Right, so we can deport them anytime, and things will be fine? Got it.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

I moved from Dallas 25yrs ago. If you guys leave the union I’m coming back.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Texas is about to become a boomtown. Many hold your sentiment.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

The funny thing is that I havelived in far western MA for 25 yrs. and I’m alot more conservative now than I was in TX in the 80′s. The Berkshires are the land time forgot. Nothing has really changed since I lived here. Moved from Dallas to stop partying 24/7. Can’t do that forever.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM

I don’t even care anymore – let it burn. Take as many excuses off the table for Democrats as possible and let them own this turd. Voters are never going to fully accept our prescriptions until we hit rock bottom.

The Count on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Yup. You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you have to watch him drown in it.

It’s like the ending to Old Yeller…sometimes it’s for the best.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Tucson invaded. Travel south is already too dangerous. This isn’t Florida, Mr. Rubio. They don’t have to swim to get here.

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 9:08 PM

That is the American dream. If you want to come here to work and make a life for yourself, who am I to say no?

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

That’s called legal immigration, and that’s fine. No problem. Illegal immigration, however, must stop.

The law says yes or no, not you. The law.

There are no excuses for idiocy and treason any longer. You’re still pushing for amnesty at this late date, with all the lies and treachery of the Bush Rs and the Democrats in the lat 10 years in our memory?

Still?

You’re in the wrong party, pal.

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man who legalised millions of Hispanics, George H W Bush, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Amnesty is not the panacea that the establishment would like for you to believe. Education is. As a naturalised American, I support immigration and know that people come to this country for a better life. We must show them that there is a better way than food stamps and welfare, which are no more than indentured servitude (you remain on the government plantation in perpetual poverty and vote for us, but we’ll make sure that you have “free” food and healthcare. Of course, you’ll never be able to really be a part of the American dream because you are just vote slaves). We must show them that their children and grandchildren will live a life of poverty that will rival that which they escaped because of the incredible debt run up by irresponsible politicians and unsustainable entitlement programmes.

The GOP will never be able to out-pander and out-Santa Claus the Democrats.

Adios, Adios, Miss American Pie? Not Necessarily.

M2RB: Don McLean

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

What a fool – so many Indians and others overstay, illegally, and work in the best jobs, at your cost. Your naivete hurts.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

The Repubs should agree to allow full amnesty… but amend a section to it when then makes them all millionaires. CHECKMATE, DEMOCRATS.

onetrickpony on November 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Hey UE,, I’m a landscaper in Tucson. Think it will affect me?

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 9:12 PM

The law says yes or no, not you. The law.

And who writes the law? Who decides what skills a person has and is worthy of entry? What purpose does closed immigration serve other than encouraging illegal immigration? Prohibition NEVER works.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

I’ll be voting “Dave” next election.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I doubt David Howell Petraeus will be running in 2016. Something about a scandal . . .

Dawnsblood on November 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

If Republicans pull the trigger on this, they can kiss my reliable vote goodbye. I live in a border state and I’m sick of importing poverty! Enough!

conservative_student on November 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM

We should actively encourage immigration from former Soviet Bloc countries. There are highly-educated people, who love the free market and have an aversion to socialism and centralised government. The US severely limits the numbers of visas issued to these people. We need brains, not drains. Sorry, but we just cannot afford it.

As Milton Friedman famously said, “you can have open borders/lax immigration enforcement or a welfare state, but you cannot have both.”

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM

And who writes the law? Who decides what skills a person has and is worthy of entry? What purpose does closed immigration serve other than encouraging illegal immigration? Prohibition NEVER works.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Do you really equate territorial boundaries with prohibition?

No snark, serious question: Are you a communist? Or is there another political philosophy that doesn’t believe in national boundaries?

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Something about a scandal . . .

Dawnsblood on November 15, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Plus, he’s an Obamabot. He’s not a R.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

but amend a section to it when then makes them all millionaires.

onetrickpony on November 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

. . . What? :)

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 9:17 PM

As Milton Friedman famously said, “you can have open borders/lax immigration enforcement or a welfare state, but you cannot have both.”

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Let it all go to the abyss. The leftists will never learn this simple fact.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:17 PM

So that’s it then; even our side is deciding to abandon the rule of law. Nation of laws, equal protection, all that stuff, just chuck it, eh? Craven simpering pieces of excrement. Rot in hell you twits.

Midas on November 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Republicans are in a panic over the Latino vote;

FOOLS or useful fools to the Left.

BECAUSE “Latinos” “Hispanics” are NEVER going to fall in love with the GOP or vote for the GOP by any high numbers regardless of what or what not the GOP “does for them.”

Granting amnesty of any kind, to any degree, to anyone — especially based on ethnicity and/or race — is anathema to many people who DO vote GOP or at least are Independent and not Leftwing and available in elections to hear and comprehend the GOP message for the most part.

So the GOP will lose more votes by pursuing any amnesty plans while if enacting it, or agreeing to it, will never “attract Latino voters”. They want Socialism by their cultural definitions, they’re Leftwing despite claims they’re somehow hidden “Conservatives” by some sort of value system that we’re told they inhabit but which somehow never shows up in how they vote.

So they’re not going to find the GOP, with the GOP’s “not SOcialism” pursuits of Capitalism, reduced government, reduced regulations, lower taxes, more jobs by greater opportunities not by union heavyweighting, they’ll NEVER support that.

Give Latinos/Hispanics amnesty and there’ll be more illegal aliens, most of which will be Latino/Hispanic and voting Democrat.

While the GOP will suffer increased disenfranchisement by Conservatives.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

We’re in this mess because the government refused to enforce the immigration laws on the book. So, if we just give amnesty without enforcement, we’ll just end up right back where we are now – with millions in the country who feel entrenched without any legal status.

LilyBart on November 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

We’re in this mess because the government refused to enforce the immigration laws on the book. So, if we just give amnesty without enforcement, we’ll just end up right back where we are now – with millions in the country who feel entrenched without any legal status.

LilyBart on November 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Actually, that’s not correct. We’re in this mess because of the welfare state. Nothing wrong with someone coming over here to work, but there is everything wrong with welfare.

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Amnesty is so much bullcr@p!!!!

Rewarding foreign invaders with their ill-gotten goods will NEVER slow down the flood of illegal immigration — simple human nature.

As long as we keep offering magnets, benefits, etc. the flood will continue, no matter how many DREAM Acts and comprehensive BS we pass.

The GOP should emphasize that illegal aliens most adversely impact recent LEGAL immigrants.

The GOP should appeal to these 40% of Hipanics who respect our laws instead of trying to out-pander the Dems with the 54% who don’t.

Make LEGAL immigration of family members of current LEGAL immigrants easier – don’t encourage more illegal immigration.

fred5678 on November 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

What a fool – so many Indians and others overstay, illegally, and work in the best jobs, at your cost. Your naivete hurts.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

If people want to overstay, working high-skill jobs (when you say Indians overstay, I think engineers with student visas) and contributing to growth, I’m all for it. Their success will pave the way for growth and other jobs. We should make it so they don’t have to “overstay” and can stay and work forever.

If you’re talking low skilled entrepreneurs and laborers, my porch needs painting, and they’re not taking jobs from my family.

I finally figures out the problem that Republicans have with “amnesty” and the Dream Act and the Hispanic vote. You’re talking about it simply in terms it’s electoral effect — whether you’re for it or against it, you don’t like it, but you might compromise for political purposes. We Dems, we like the Dream Act on principal and and we’re eager for the old “path to citizenship” thing.

Ultimately, even if Republicans do the right thing, Latinos are going to figure out that you didn’t like doing it, you’re not really in favor of it, and your faking. And they’re going to say “muchas gracias” and vote for the party that actually likes them in the end.

It’s not just policy, it’s attitude.

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Follow the link up top for Matt Lewis’s list of eligibility qualifications. Applicants are limited to those 28 years old or younger (32 if they have a B.A.) who arrived in America before their 14th birthday.

I expect that the documentation required to prove you meet these requirements will be as much as you need to register to vote in Pennsylvania, ie something that kinda sorta looks like a utility bill from 1998. You think Times New Roman would work best?

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Nothing wrong with someone coming over here to work…

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

There is something wrong with it if they are illegal.

sharrukin on November 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

The GOP HAS TO start understanding this:

demands for “more stuff” (whatever the wiggle is, whatever it is that is “wanted” and thereby demanded) ONLY RESULTS IN MORE OF THE PROBLEM THEY CLAIM AS CAUSE FOR THE DEMAND.

Increased unemployment? The demand for jobs…results in more voters voting for more “benefits for the unemployed” NOT for job creators or conditions by which more jobs are created.

Increased sickness? The demand for more ‘health insurance’…results in LESS AFFORDABLE CARE AND INSURANCE.

and on and on…

People today increasingly want “money” not “loans”. They want a supply, not an obligation.

For proof of that, look at the mostly all Leftwing/Democrat voting NJ and NY voters hit by the hurricane and flooding who now want “grants and not loans”.

Amnesty is like that. Demands for amnesty means they want less border security, less requirements to enter the US and less questions when they do. What’s wanted is an open access, open door, no restrictions process of immigration if not also how and who pays them for what.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I don’t trust most of the GOP including Rubio. The only pathway they’re really interested in is re-election. It’s been a long time coming this mess that we find ourselves in and the Dems had plenty of help along the way from the GOP. Just think about that the next time these CSuckers sell us out. We’re not virgins at this.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

We should actively encourage immigration from former Soviet Bloc countries. There are highly-educated people, who love the free market and have an aversion to socialism and centralised government. The US severely limits the numbers of visas issued to these people. We need brains, not drains. Sorry, but we just cannot afford it.

As Milton Friedman famously said, “you can have open borders/lax immigration enforcement or a welfare state, but you cannot have both.”

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Yes, anything to restore some resemblance of balance in countries of origin. It’s not right that 80% of illegal aliens come from Mexico, when Mexico is a paradise compared to some of the hellholes in the world, where people wait patiently through the legal process for emigration.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I finally figures out the problem that Republicans have with “amnesty” and the Dream Act and the Hispanic vote. You’re talking about it simply in terms it’s electoral effect — whether you’re for it or against it, you don’t like it, but you might compromise for political purposes. We Dems, we like the Dream Act on principal and and we’re eager for the old “path to citizenship” thing.

Nah, both parties see it that way. If Hispanics were voting 90%+ for the GOP you can be the ‘rats would be fighting amnesty to their last breath.

Conservatives like myself, now we take a different tack and are also eager for something, that old “law and national sovereignty” thing.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

THIS is the thinking that had our voters stay home for the election, AP. this is epic fail level stupidity. F it. Own it, and try to remember this discussion at the next few elections after when you nitwits are wondering where the conservatives went; if we aren’t up in flames before then.

Midas on November 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Amnesty is like that. Demands for amnesty means they want less border security, less requirements to enter the US and less questions when they do. What’s wanted is an open access, open door, no restrictions process of immigration if not also how and who pays them for what.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

And, foolishly, some people on the Right think or assume that means there’s support for the Right’s work for “less regulations” and “decreased government” but it DOESN’T where immigration is concerned.

While the RIght wants reduced govt., reduced regulations, the pro-amnesty people want, literally, “no questions asked” as to entering and using the USA. The goal is to eliminate our US borders while maintaining their own. It’s just the spreading of the Communist/Marxist/Dictatorial cultures from which most of those who now demand amnesty have originated and they’re working to replicare or extend that to here. Doing away with US borders and laws helps accomplish that.

Note none of those demanding amnesty are demanding Mexico remove it’s borders, abandon it’s laws, etc., nor are they making that demand of CHina, Guatemala, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia,, Iran or anywhere else.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Nothing wrong with someone coming over here to work…

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Work at what?? Pollyanna is a book, not a philosophy

rik on November 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

It’s not just policy, it’s attitude.

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

So, you want to reward illegal behaviour or be held hostage to lawbreakers?

I swear, if I had known you guys were so easy, I’d never had obeyed the laws. I’d have just overstayed my visa and let Democrats and ERs throw rose petals at my feet while jockeying for my future vote. (sarc)

How is it that the United States has become a country that rewards and beatifies lawbreakers while considering those that obey the law as “mean, greedy, selfish, racist, and hateful”?

I actually know people who are patiently and legally waiting to come to the US and/or become American citizens. Too many Democrats and Republicans would rather reward the lawbreakers than those who are playing by the rules. Obama is always whining that everyone deserves a “fair shot, a fair share and should play by the same rules”…except when they shouldn’t, in his estimation evidently.

What’s next? The children of the middle class telling the politicians that they will never vote for them unless they get free college educations, jobs for life with a minimum starting salary of $100,000 per year, free housing, free healthcare, free European vacations, free pot, free yachts, free beach houses, etc, etc, etc?

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

THIS is the thinking that had our voters stay home for the election, AP. this is epic fail level stupidity. F it. Own it, and try to remember this discussion at the next few elections after when you nitwits are wondering where the conservatives went; if we aren’t up in flames before then.

Midas on November 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

EXACTLY.

And Obama knows this…if he rams amnesty through, he and the DNC and his “associates” are going to really enjoy the increased loathing for the GOP by the many voters who will view the GOP as weak and useless in not opposing this monster.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

It’s not just policy, it’s attitude.

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

No, I did not mean students only – H1B & L1 visas and etc…

It’s “principle” not “principal” – the latter are in schools.

Yes, you are always for all things illegal and we are not.

Have at it – I love to watch the decline. No need to produce anything any more. Good luck. Tyranny and chaos are all yours, aka Russia and Venezuela. You have wonderful examples to follow. Charlatans and thugs unite!

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Dante is a dunce and the GOP was always going to betray us

Rio Linda Refugee on November 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The land no longer has principled leaders.

She deserves the demise fully, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

You didn’t answer my question. I’m a landscaper in Tucson. Tell me why I should support amnesty. A college educated landscaper. Not to mention the drugs and violence that already permeate the border.

You are a fool. You have no clue what it’s like a little South of here.

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Abraham Lincoln.

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

derft on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

(♥)

VorDaj on November 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The land no longer has principled leaders.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

You’ll love this speech…

‘Toon of the Day: From Patton to Petraeus

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Nothing good comes from adding 10′s of millions of undereducated, needy people who will tap into the various welfare programs we have. If that is racially insensitive, I don’t give a sh*t.

echosyst on November 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Heart sick Republicans. The latino love will never belong to you. You can’t outbid the democrats.

VorDaj on November 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

GOPCOTT

SparkPlug on November 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

And who writes the law? Who decides what skills a person has and is worthy of entry? What purpose does closed immigration serve other than encouraging illegal immigration? Prohibition NEVER works.

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Stop acting like a pre-teen, I’m not going to explain the meaning of the rule of law to you.

Closed immigration can serve a variety of purposes, like disease prevention, wage inflation, protection from property and crime, and respect for the rule of law.

You know all this, don’t be such an ass.

All of a sudden, the most basic laws are too much to enforce? Fine. Shall we have no murder or arson laws? Those can be a chore to enforce too.

Grow up. The constitution obligates the Federal government to protect the states from invasion, and tasks the POTUS with “seeing that the laws are faithfully executed”

We don’t need any more dumbass open borders morons in your soon to be Blue state of TX, or anywhere else. Try immigrating illegally to Mexico, and see if your stupid naivete works on them…

rightwingyahooo on November 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Heart sick Republicans. The latino love will never belong to you. You can’t outbid the democrats.

VorDaj on November 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Can’t outbid the handouts, the ones they steal from the dummy producers.

Abraham Lincoln.

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

derft on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

We’re right on target!

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

free yachts

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I want 3.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

he [Rubio] has a good line here about people not being willing to hear you out if they think you want to deport their grandmother.

A good line if you are a StrawMan lover.

VorDaj on November 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

You need to close the door first, then deal with the uninvited guests.

jack herman on November 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

RWM

‘The complacency of fools will destroy them.” That’s written in the Bible.

Thank you, alas…the election or the robbery is over.

Let it all go to Hades. Only dire suffering will teach them tough lessons.

If anyone has millennials in their employ, fire them, pronto.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

he [Rubio] has a good line here about people not being willing to hear you out if they think you want to deport their grandmother.

With all the Rubio-Lub going around, and though I think he’s a decent man and a fine public speaker, people need to continue to remind themselves he’s a Jeb-Bush-Protege. He’s going to be working toward accomplishing what Jeb Bush wants, has encouraged him to pursue, the same Bush-Rove-Compassionate-Conservative-Plans.

Keep that in mind whenever you start thinking Rubio’s some newfound, newly emerged unique wonder. He’s Jeb Bush instructed and led.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Why Republicans Suffer and Fail.

Things are much harder when you have more elements to your strategy than just getting elected.

It is similar to:
(I using examples from the generational destroying meltdown we just had.)

Bad real estate appraisers who gave the clients the “values” they needed got rich with all kinds of appraisal orders from both borrowers and banks.

Bankers who handed out money to borrowers who would result in bad moans and wrecked real estate made billions.

Traders at Goldman Sachs and MF Global made millions in weeks by selling and investing in vehicles they knew were risky junk and could damage the economy and the credibility of their firm.

IlikedAUH2O on November 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

urban elitist on November 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

As always, you’re full of crap. You and the Dems wouldn’t give a crap about this if they *weren’t* going to be reliable Dem voters and you f-ing know it. If you thought they would reliably vote GOP you’d be fighting tooth and nail against it, and you f-ing know it.

Save the “we like them” sanctimony, idiot.

Midas on November 15, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Hey UE, you want a tour of our border? Serious offer. Come on down and I’ll take you for a drive from Nogales to Arrivaca on Ruby Rd. I’ll provide an AR to clutch on to. I’m being serious here. I’ll show you the human cattle trails. The camp sites. All of it. See it for yourself. Dress casual, preferably in desert camo.

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Three Ohio residents have come forward to confirm on the record their accounts of questionable practices by Democrats to influence voters in Ohio, a crucial swing state in the presidential contest, first reported by Human Events on Oct. 26.

A source, who wishes to remain anonymous, is a volunteer outside the Morse Road polling center. She has witnessed Somalis who cannot speak English come to the polling center. They are brought in groups, by van or bus. The Democrats hand them a slate card and say, “vote Brown all the way down.” Given that Sherrod Brown is the incumbent Democrat Senator in Ohio, one can assume that this is the reference.
Non-English speaking voters may use an interpreter. The interpreters are permitted by law to interpret for the individual voting; however, they are forbidden from influencing their vote in any way. Another source who also wishes to remain anonymous has seen Democrat interpreters show the non-English speaking Somalis how to vote the Democrat slate that they were handed outside. According to this second source, there are not any Republican Somali interpreters available.

The logical follow-up question is whether a non-English speaking person is an American citizen. Although Republican leadership in Ohio passed a voting reform law, it was repealed by the legislature itself after the Democrats threatened a referendum. According to the Ohio Secretary of State’s web site, someone wanting to vote early in Ohio must supply one of the following in writing on the absentee ballot form, whether voting early by mail or in person: an Ohio driver’s license number; the last four digits of the social security number; or a copy of a current and valid photo identification, military identification, or a current — within the last 12 months — utility bill, including cell phone bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the person’s name and address in addition to the voter registration acknowledgement.

The voter is not required to show the driver’s license or social security card, but must merely write it on the absentee ballot request form. While the individual would be required to show a utility bill, bank statement or other printed document if he or she chooses that option, this is in lieu of writing the driver’s license or social security number. Therefore, the information cannot be checked against the Bureau of Motor Vehicles or other state databases. Essentially, a person is asked to check a box stating that they are a citizen, and the poll worker is to trust that they are the person who is listed on the item being shown or the information being written. In other words, someone can be an illegal resident of the state of Ohio and the United States, get an apartment, turn on the heat, bring in the Columbia Gas bill, register to vote by the deadline, and vote by showing that same bill. There is then no verification that this individual is a citizen of the United States.

Matt McClellan, the press secretary for Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, explained, “There is a process to challenge a voter’s eligibility. The point in time for a challenge to be brought ended mid October. A poll worker could challenge a voter if they had questions as to whether or not a voter was registered or eligible to vote.” However, if the poll worker does not raise the issue at the time the voting occurs, that person’s vote will otherwise be counted on election day along with everyone else’s vote. McClellan was not aware of any reports of irregularities at the Morse Road voting place in Franklin County…

It just is likely that the effort to enact “amnesty legislstion” is THE ACT AFTER THE CRIME…

BY “CRIME” I mean, the legislation is a result of the wrongful votes that have created a wrongful, contrary environment in our government. They legislate that which they were, they claim, “elected to do”.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Abraham Lincoln.

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

derft on November 15, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Lincoln is the guy who started the slide. Everything that happened from 1865 to 1945 was simply by momentum.

Quartermaster on November 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

All of it. See it for yourself. Dress casual, preferably in desert camo.

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

And with a good pair of running shoes.

It’s the signs that creep me out, signs on U.S. territory which say “Don’t go past here because foreigners will kill you”.

Bishop on November 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM

No, Wilson started the slide.

wolly4321 on November 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Who decides the skills? There are many immigrants who come here with nothing but become very talented tradesmen. That is the American dream. If you want to come here to work and make a life for yourself, who am I to say no?

tdarrington on November 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Amnestites ALWAYS omit the issue of what the US is about: the rule of law. That’s what makes us and defines us as a nation.

Wilfully violating our laws as the very first act anyone does when they illegally enter and/or illegally remain here after a tourist/student/medical visa INDICATES BAD CHARACTER, it indicates BAD INTENTS about this nation and is just downright insulting to what this nation is about.

The US is happy when immigrants prosper here but an illegal alien isn’t an “immigrant,” they’re a citizen of another country who has taken a hostile approach toward the US and needs to be sent home.

Lourdes on November 15, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Yeah. Any caving that the GOP does now isn’t about winning new votes, it’s about preventing further losses.

And in the end, neither objective will be achieved.

Let the RINOs commit political suicide with this. Then watch as Herman Cain and many PO’ed Tea Parties separate and form their own political party with a freaking spine. As they should.

And the Dems will control every branch of government for the next 50 years hence. Maybe more.

Myron Falwell on November 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

…time for a new Party!

KOOLAID2 on November 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM

michelle malkin among those hardest hit.

sesquipedalian on November 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM

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