Romney: Bill Clinton told me I might have won if not for the hurricane
posted at 5:11 pm on November 15, 2012 by Allahpundit
I’ve written two posts trying to debunk this idea but the fact that pols as savvy as Clinton and Haley Barbour are still pushing it is alarming. One of the lessons of the election, I thought, was that we should trust the math nerds when they read the chicken entrails of polling. Okay, well, the math nerds say that the hurricane wasn’t decisive. Mitt may be the only person in the GOP right now who benefits from believing that it was. He’s done running for office so he doesn’t need to worry about figuring out what went wrong with the larger operation or message.
In fairness to him, though, even he doesn’t sound completely convinced of Clinton’s theory, noting that BC was perhaps being overly “effusive” in his praise during their chat. He doesn’t offer a reason why but I’ll give you two possibilities (beyond the obvious “Clinton was just trying to be nice” explanation). One: Obama said at yesterday’s presser that he’ll talk to Romney before end of the year and praised some of his career accomplishments, like running the Olympics. I’m skeptical that he’d overcome his alleged disdain for Mitt enough to offer him a position of some kind — although people have been spitballing about that online — but maybe he thinks Romney can be useful to him somehow. At the very least, he’d get some points for comity and bipartisanship from the general public by bringing him onboard. Maybe Clinton is anticipating that and this was an early step to try to heal the breach. Two: Don’t forget that Romney spoke at the annual conference held by Clinton’s Global Initiative in the heat of the campaign, just a short time after Clinton destroyed him in his speech at the Democratic convention. Could be that Clinton felt obliged to reach out now since Romney was gracious enough to do him that favor. (He’s become good friends with the Bush family despite beating Bush 41.) If nothing else, it’s smart to stay in the good graces of a potential donor as generous and well connected as Romney.
But I digress. Here’s a new problem with the hurricane theory that I haven’t mentioned before. How likely is it that the race changed in the last few days when, by and large, it hadn’t changed much for the previous three months? To put it differently, what if the campaigns themselves just didn’t really matter?
We all know that most voters decide who to vote for well before the campaigns begin. In political science research, this is called the “minimal effects” thesis. Basically the vast majority of the voters vote how we would expect them to long before the election. The first study to investigate this phenomenon focused on voters during the 1940 election. Researchers found that only 8 percent of voters changed their preference over the course of the campaign. In 70 years, not much has changed…
Well, according to the best statistical models out there—no. This isn’t to say that Obama should have sat the race out as Romney dragged himself across the country. Indeed, if the campaigns were not equally run by the top professionals in the field with endless cash on hand, one campaign would matter. But when the campaigns have equal access to financial and intellectual capital, both could call it a day after the convention. Their activities simply cancel each other out. We could have all ignored the news since August and the election results would have come out the same.
There is one caveat though: as all of this evidence shows, elections are not won by convincing people to vote for a candidate for whom they are not previously inclined. The importance of the campaigns is to get more of their supporters to the polls than the other team. To paraphrase one Obama campaign aide, presidential appearances have nothing to do with convincing voters, they are about rallying the troops and keeping supporters passionate so that they actually turn out on Election Day (and bring their friends).
Reminds me of Drew Linzer’s boast that his Votomatic statistical model was predicting the eventual electoral college totals — Obama 332, Romney 206, give or take — as early as June. Another statistical model I saw claimed that the only thing that really moved the polls much either way over the last month or two was Romney’s performance at the first debate, but of course that wasn’t a campaign event. I think it’s theoretically true that two smart, well funded campaigns will more or less neutralize each other; problem is, both sides didn’t have “equal access to financial and intellectual capital” this time, or they didn’t utilize it equally if they did. Obama had more data, was smarter about how he targeted voters, was evidently more efficient in turning them out, and was shrewder strategically in defining Romney as a kleptocratic tax-cheating layoff artist early in the campaign. (Romney was handicapped in all those things by the fact that he had to worry about a contested primary.) That was the real hurricane. It blew away the traditional “likely voter” turnout model and replaced it with something that looked more like a “registered voter” model. If you’re a professional campaign “meteorologist” for the GOP, how on earth did you not see it on the radar?
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Because everyone already knows.
“Praise and save Obama and punish the evil right wingers, amen.”
profitsbeard on May 18, 2013 at 3:43 AM
This is a disgusting and diabolical use of a government agency for nefarious ends. Honest Americans in both parties should be appalled and scared by such abuse.
Random targeting of groups due to their political beliefs is more the product of thought police than a republican democracy. Whoever is involved used the auspices of government, a government we own and finance, to despotically and illegally destroy her citizens. That is not only “chilling” but destructive to the very freedoms upon which our country operates.
There is no question this was carried out by Democratic Party operatives and is therefore political in premise. Tax exempt groups applying at the same time received no similar scrutiny and in fact moved swiftly through the process. So the only question I have is who knew what and when? What were their motives?
The President has stated he found out about this last week. Yet last year, before the election this was fairly common knowledge. In fact senior officials in his administration, including Neil Wolin, were directly briefed. Again, who knew what and when? Why was this not disclosed by those who knew- especially given the criminal nature of this activity, which apparently then continued through the election? Did this not rise to something of importance to Mr. Obama either as President or a candidate? Surely such as scandal would be notable in some regard.
This entire sordid mess stinks and not simply as a matter of politics. It undercuts the very premise of our democracy by destroying a voters right to participate in free and fair elections. It adds an element of fear to freely voicing one’s political choices. That’s not just chilling, it has no place in our country and should be punished in the most punitive way to send a signal of zero tolerance for such criminal behavior.
Thus far, President Pedestrian is still sitting on the sidelines muttering how he “looked away” when the parade passed and wants to know what he missed. One begins to wonder who running our country.
Marcus Traianus on May 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM
Apparently a secret can be kept in DC, especially if it involves keeping your highly paid no show job. No one with a govt job ever gets fired, they get promoted.
Kissmygrits on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM
Wait, so the IRS discovered these wrongdoings, independently put a stop to them and briefed the Treasury department, AND authorized an IG investigation which then they leaked to the public. But we’re mad because they chose not to make it a campaign issues considering it has nothing to do with Obama’s governance? *yawn*
libfreeordie on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM
Why? Do you have to be that stupid to ask that?
watertown on May 18, 2013 at 11:14 AM
re:
verbaluce . . ad nauseum . .
He who argues with a fool (tool?) is an even greater fool.
barton on May 17, 2013 at 6:34 PM
As I recall, Solomon had that figured out almost 3,000 years ago. LOL
yesiamapirate on May 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM
libfreeordie on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 AM
Ann Barnhardt has a couple of good pieces up about you people.
tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM
I go with option Three, above.
Lourdes on May 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Also correct, almost certainly, as goal.
Anyone who thinks Axelrod, Obama, Jarrett, Holder, Hillary, etc. are nice people is out of their mind.
Lourdes on May 18, 2013 at 12:04 PM
“I was not told of this problem at any time before the election … Even if I was told of it, it was an on-going investigation that I couldn’t comment on … When actual evidence was developed that this problem existed, and that laws, regulations, and rules were violated, we couldn’t comment until hearing both sides … Who you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?”
Another Drew on May 18, 2013 at 12:11 PM
With the acquisition of power, Obama was able to substitute the IRS, and other government agencies, for the thugs at ACORN who enabled his 2008 election.
Another Drew on May 18, 2013 at 12:13 PM
The question is – “who benefits”?
The answer is – Obama personally (his re-election), the Democrats and their big govt. liberal agenda.
It is laughable to think this was being done without their knowledge. It’s like thinking all the traffic lights you’ve come to recently are now magically changing “green” just as you arrive by sheer luck. The fix was in. And even if you didn’t order it, it gets NOTICED.
Saltyron on May 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM
From the NY Times article:
Here the NY Times is trying to limit the damage to the Obama Administration but these are career bureaucrats that have been working there long before Obama was elected in many cases. This is a culture of coverups and political intimidation that penetrates the entire “progressive” wing of the Democratic Party. The NY Times here is trying to limit the scope and blame only Obama. But we see the same sort of coverup and dishonesty in the New York state government and the government in New York City.
This is a systemic problem with the entire Democratic Party and it needs to be portrayed in that way.
crosspatch on May 18, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Why did the IRS keep the scandal quiet until after the election?
Simple answer; it probably would have made the difference in our last election.
Romney was riding high in popularity on this issue and loathing for the IRS is fairly ubiquitous across the political spectrum. So combined with the first debate, could Obama’s second campaign withstood a wide-ranging scandal which got extensive coverage on an important economic issue? Or is the real scandal in covering up the fact they knew and were deeply involved in this issue? That’s hard to say and speculative. But it sure became a non-factor with no impact- which was ultimately the Obama Campaign’s intent.
As to the cover up, I suspect we are about to find more people close to the president who had very intimate knowledge of what was going on. Anyone heard from Jim Messina lately?
Marcus Traianus on May 18, 2013 at 2:49 PM
And let us not forget the leaking that the IRS did to ProPublica… funded in part by Soros… it isn’t just the rectal exam level of information, down to prayers conducted by organizations… but the ‘inadvertant release’ of such information to political groups.
Also the IRS getting its hands on your healthcare info. Isn’t that sweet? Can’t yo just wait until THAT INFORMATION gets leaked by the IRS? Because the same lady who headed up the political rectal exam unit is now heading up the Obamacare enforcement unit.
ajacksonian on May 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM
The clinton’s used the IRS as a weapon when they were in the White House and I imagine many more did the same thing with the FBI when J. Edgar Hoover was at the helm. After his death they found he had files on tons of people.
mixplix on May 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Asking a question like that equates to the intelligence of a snail.
mixplix on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Very simple. These guys are smart. Once the election is safely stolen, as 2012 was stolen by the Democrats, it does not matter if Obama’s henchmen (and in this case, henchwoman) broke the law. Since their side has control of the Government, no one will be prosecuted and the regime remains in power and the election remains stolen.
The IRS was instrumental in stealing the election and the election will stay stolen no matter what happens. That is all that these totalitarianists care about.
Rogervzv on May 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM
I’m really not surprised, it’s time to leave this place.
Not sure where to go, but it’s time.
mmcnamer1 on May 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM
I go with the option that most public employees vote Democrat. As an observation. Dems are risk averse – not all, but definitely the majority – “Let someone else tell me what to do; when I’m in power, I’ll tell others what to do.” They think alike – just as most secure university positions are held by Dems, so are most government positions. Rs are in the minority. (Guess we’re too busy creating real jobs, working two jobs to stay off the gov’t welfare, coaching, heaving forbid – going to church or a gun range, etc.”
Stolen election or not, this crew will stay in power – no one will impeach a minority president or a woman.
MN J on May 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Now the IRS is like the labor unions.
Basically they are political organizations that force you to donate to them.
esnap on May 19, 2013 at 1:10 PM
SERIOUSLY? You are THAT stupid that you have to ask?!
easyt65 on May 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM
Every time the main page of Hot Air loads, I see this question, and think, “That must be a rhetorical question!”
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM
Then again, you have Exhibit A for why you sometimes need to ask rhetorical questions…..
There Goes the Neighborhood on May 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM
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