New Democratic shenanigans, same as the old Democratic shenanigans

posted at 12:11 pm on November 15, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Well, we voted for the status quo — and by golly, we’re getting the status quo. Do Senate Democrats, perhaps, have any intention of undergoing the proper and legally required process of crafting a budget anytime soon? …Meh. It’s been well over three years; why get into a tizzy over it now? From The Hill:

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) confirmed Thursday that she will seek the chairmanship of the Senate Budget Committee next year…

This past year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said a budget was not necessary because the top-line spending number for appropriations was set in the August 2011 debt-ceiling deal.

Murray said that an agreement to avoid the “fiscal cliff,” the looming $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts set to strike in January, could preclude having to pass a Senate budget next year.

“I am committed to working with our committee and with our Congress to put a budget in place but there are a lot of questions in front of us: What happens in the next two weeks, six weeks, year? Does the White House and the leadership come together on some solution to the budget that we have right now that precludes a budget being written next year?” she said. “I have no idea.”

You can see where their priorities are. Sorry, Democrats, but the fundamental irresponsibility of your spending plans doesn’t excuse you from writing them down — hence their eagerness to get those tax hikes passed. If they just keep saying that these tax hikes really are more than a piddling measure to bring down the deficit, maybe it’ll actually come true. Or, at least they can perhaps convince everyone that it’s true and just keep pointing fingers at Republicans when it goes badly.

On Wednesday, we were treated to Rep. Nancy Pelosi telling us that should does indeed intend to stick around as the Democrats’ House leader (oh, goody) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made it clear that he has no desire to address the ever-accumulating entitlement crisis forcefully driving our national debt into oblivion, ’cause his main priority is also (shocker) raising taxes on the “richest of the rich.” Because that’s certainly a “balanced approach” if ever there was one. (The Social Security crisis is just a boogeyman Republicans have drummed up, by the way — or didn’t you know?) So, Democrats don’t really want to compromise or make any substantive moves in the direction of balancing the budget — nothing new to see here.

I really am baffled as to what it is about President Obama’s proposed tax hikes that isn’t coming in clear here. When the government takes more of people’s money, that’s money that isn’t being spent in the private sector — and since the private sector unfailing spends money more productively than the federal government, more taxes come at the opportunity cost of greater economic growth, which in turn is what creates jobs, wealth, and innovation. Government does not bring about these things. Sure, you must have some level of taxation/not anarchy to create the various infrastructure upon which society functions — but we shot way past the point of diminishing returns a long ago. How is more government spending going to get us out of this mess?

Nutshell version: Democrats are continuing to apply the term “balanced approach” to what they’re actually shooting for, which is an uncompromising fiscal band-aid that can further delay us amending our unsustainable ways. Forward!

Oops: Typo on Reid’s job title — fixed!


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If John Boehner had any balls he would cut all funding to the Senate until Harry Reid was impeached. No paychecks to any Senator while Harry Reid remains Senate Majority Leader.

Will he or won’t he…

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Democrats’ plans: The BOHICA(bend over here it comes again) Bill. Thanks Uncle Harry you POS.

gsherin on November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

It’s time for Boehner to man up and tell Reid he’s not putting up with this any more. Submit your solution to the fiscal cliff, submit your solution for the budget, submit your solution for jobs and then tell Reid you’re not going to do anything at all until the President and the Senate come up with a budget. They won an election doing nothing but criticizing the House budget, let them submit a budget and then just sit down and watch them play politics with it and do nothing else while the country’s credit is downgraded and we actually do go off the fiscal cliff.

I know our illustrious free press will do little to report what you’ve done but you’ve got 2 years to overcome this. This isn’t like with Clinton, when you were operating in a press vacuum, you do have some outlets now. I’m sick of the Democrats playing this game. It used to be they just played it to win an election, now it’s a constant. MAN UP BOEHNER or let someone else take over.

bflat879 on November 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Patty Murray: The Joe Biden of her generation.

WordsMatter on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid

Oh and Erika, Harry Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, not the Minority Leader.

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

thanks Erika…amazing — We are back to where to where we started!!

CoffeeLover on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Let them have whatever they want, and let them own the results.

BTMFD.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

If passing a usher is required by law? Why aren’t these a-hole being held accoutable under the law? Seriously, Wtf is happening to this country? These fools should be behind bars.

jawkneemusic on November 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

They get it. It’s just that they want to see this country go the way of European Socialism. It’s what they live for. The country had a clear choice and either by knowing or by stupidity the public voted for socialism. Get used to it Comrades!!

Deano1952 on November 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Cripe

No budgets for 8 years

Squishy gop will yell but no consequences will be taken

cmsinaz on November 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

If John Boehner had any balls he would cut all funding to the Senate until Harry Reid was impeached. No paychecks to any Senator while Harry Reid remains Senate Majority Leader.

Will he or won’t he…

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Boehner is a very poor tactician.

Democrats are really not very smart, he should be laying booby traps like this one for them at every turn. He has missed opportunity after opportunity, and they just walk all over him.

We need a new Speaker of the House.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Hear hear bflat

cmsinaz on November 15, 2012 at 12:22 PM

If Boehner does not use the Power of the Purse this time, I swear I’ll vote for the Democrats. At least they do deliver on some of their promises.

Archivarix on November 15, 2012 at 12:22 PM

We need a new Speaker of the House.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Sadly, we’re not going to get one. He’s been reelected, despite Louie Gohmert nominating Newt Gingrich for the position. ;) No Republican seconds, unfortunately. No Republican challenges to Boehner, either. Sad, that.

totherightofthem on November 15, 2012 at 12:24 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

If John Boehner had any balls he would cut all funding to the Senate until Harry Reid was impeached. No paychecks to any Senator while Harry Reid remains Senate Majority Leader.

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

That’s not within the realm of possibilities. What he can and should do is refuse to fund certain things when spending bills go to conference that extends funding for certain things in lieu of a budget. He could also go full-nuclear and refuse to pass anything that extends the funding of government without a budget.

BTW, let’s remember that a budget is the law. The Senate has ignored that law for five years. Time to put Harry Reid in jail IMO.

Happy Nomad on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Let it burn. Boehner can’t won’t stop it. Math eventually will.

a capella on November 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Ever play the game of Risk? The GOP is playing as the United States. The Dems are not. They want us assimilated into some world order where we are no better than Kenya or Indonesia or one of those rat holes that the rat-eared wonder wants to punish us for being better than.

Happy Nomad on November 15, 2012 at 12:28 PM

davidk on November 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

All restaurants and retail outlets should handle Obamacare with a surcharge printed on the menu and receipts. If charges aren’t clearly identified, the low-information voter will never know what we are paying for. Gasoline prices are exhibit one.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Well, we voted for the status quo

Lies. Have you ever had an original thought?

tommyhawk on November 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

If John Boehner had any balls…
SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Sorry, stopped there. Nothing else afterwards was anything but wish-casting.

Boehner is going to do nothing useful, as he has been for the last couple of years.

kim roy on November 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

I really am baffled as to what it is about President Obama’s proposed tax hikes that isn’t coming in clear here.

You should focus on the much more manageable list of things, those of which you are not baffled.

tommyhawk on November 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Let them have whatever they want, and let them own the results.

BTMFD.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I’m starting to come around to that concept.

The only way we’ll ever settle the argument over which philosiphy is better is to let them have every freakin thing they want for the next few years. Taxes, give away programs, no spending reductions, carbon taxes…….the whole nine-yards.

Republican leadership in both houses of Congress should hold a press conference and simply say, “We heard the American people in this last election and we’re going to let you have what you asked for.”

Then, stand back and let Harry, Nancy and Obama own it.

BacaDog on November 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Let the House take the Polar Bear legislation that passed in the Senate and strip out the text and substitute the budget and deemed it passed.

meci on November 15, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Well, we voted for the status quo

Lies. Have you ever had an original thought?

tommyhawk on November 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

We’re going to be wishing for today’s status quo in about six months. We’re going to get much, much worse.

If you don’t like it here, why don’t you mosey on to Kos? Down the hall, take a left and second door on the right.

Otherwise, STFU. You are being rude to your host, but then again it would be folly to expect liberals to be mannered and house-trained.

kim roy on November 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

philosiphy s/b philosophy.

BacaDog on November 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

I feel like I’m living in an alternative universe. As I stocked up on more food yesterday I wondered to myself how many of these people even know what the “fiscal cliff” is, know about Benghazi, or know that the ME is in flames and AQ is taking over? It’s surreal.

txhsmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM

This is a simple political fight. Democrats do not believe raising taxes on the rich will produce much revenue, make the tax code fairer, or any of that crap.

They want it, because Republians don’t. It’s the GOP line in the sand, and they are determined to make the GOP cross it. They think if they can force the GOP to cave, this will cause a civil war in the GOP and split it for possibly a generation.

There was a little notcied article in Slate several months ago in which Max Baucus admitted this was the strategy. Democrats are obsessed with making Republicans vote for a tax increase. They are going to talk about nothing else, and for no policy reason at all. They are not going to accept “revenues” from any source or from closing loopholes. They are trying to split the Republican Party, period.

The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can stop wasting our breath and our blog space on trying to understand what Obama and Reid are doing or why they think this “economic plan” will “work.” It isn’t an economic plan, and it will work exactly as planned if they get it.

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I really am baffled as to what it is about President Obama’s proposed tax hikes that isn’t coming in clear here.

You should focus on the much more manageable list of things, those of which you are not baffled.

tommyhawk on November 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM

What I’m baffled about is why we extend free speech to those that would not allow it to us on their sites.

Show of hands those that think Little Tommy’s comments directed to libs on Kos would get printed.

I’m not entirely sure why Hot Air allows these idiots on here. There are a few who actually discuss, but most just behave like louts.

kim roy on November 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

I believe they’ve been promised their version of 72 virgins in heaven

aceinstall on November 15, 2012 at 12:35 PM

That’s not within the realm of possibilities. What he can and should do is refuse to fund certain things when spending bills go to conference that extends funding for certain things in lieu of a budget. He could also go full-nuclear and refuse to pass anything that extends the funding of government without a budget.

BTW, let’s remember that a budget is the law. The Senate has ignored that law for five years. Time to put Harry Reid in jail IMO.

Happy Nomad on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Actually it is 100 percent within the realm of possibility. article 1 section 7 places ALL spending in the hands of the House.

Washington, Sep 10 -

House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers today introduced a temporary funding measure – known as a Continuing Resolution (CR) – to prevent a government shutdown and fund federal programs until March 27, 2013 (H.J.Res 117). While the House Appropriations Committee has acted on all 12 annual spending bills – with the full House approving seven – the Senate has failed to approve a single bill. Because of the Senate’s inaction, a CR is necessary to continue federal programs and services until final legislation can be negotiated and approved.

John Boehner can straight up refuse to pass the next Continuing Resolution. No Continuing Resolution… Nobody gets paid. Newt Gingrich was the last Speaker of the House who had the balls to do this, and while it cost him his seat, it also forced Bill Clinton to move to the center politically.

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM

SOMETHING NEEDS to “HAPPEN” to John Boehner……

I’m not saying it needs to involve a scope or mechanical devices making a clicking sound 1/2 mile away from him – followed by a dramatic reaction…..

I’m just saying SOMETHING needs to “Happen” to him…..

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Dude, you’re flirtin’ with the ban hammer.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

I really am baffled as to what it is about President Obama’s proposed tax hikes that isn’t coming in clear here. When the government takes more of people’s money, that’s money that isn’t being spent in the private sector — and since the private sector unfailing spends money more productively than the federal government, more taxes come at the opportunity cost of greater economic growth, which in turn is what creates jobs, wealth, and innovation. Government does not bring about these things. Sure, you must have some level of taxation/not anarchy to create the various infrastructure upon which society functions — but we shot way past the point of diminishing returns a long ago. How is more government spending going to get us out of this mess?

But The One believes just the opposite. That is, that government is the original source of all of the above.

It’s not just a difference of perception, but rather that he has a belief about the way an economy “actually works” that is inconsistent with the way the U.S. economy really does. In fact, I’m not sure any economy in history has ever worked exactly the way Obama believes this one “actually” does.

The nearest you get is the wartime economies of WW 2, when basically all production was directed to making and operating the implements of that war. Remember Savings Bonds, and Victory Bonds? Those were basically promissory notes we, the people, issued to the government, on the principle of “we’ll loan you this hard cash now to buy the bombs and bullets, and after it’s over, you pay us back with interest”.

Other than that, the U.S. economy’s major driving force has never been government spending, on much of anything. Government spending was somewhere between a sideshow and a debit. The same holds true for most other economies- yes, even European ones.

I’m forced to conclude that Obama is trying to create an entirely new economic paradigm- when he doesn’t even understand what the existing one is.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Attention lemmings! Report to the cliff!

Lily on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken %^&*

Joseph Russo III on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Let them have whatever they want, and let them own the results.

BTMFD.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM

I’m with you, but it will only work if we get the Grover Norquists and the Tea Party groups on board with it and deny Obama and the Democrats the political victory they want. If we hold firm and don’t have a party civil war over it, we can gain from it because it will not work as economic policy and we can make that plain in the next two elections. And then we take the “Republicans only want more tax cuts for the rich” off the table in 2014 and 2016.

I’m not encouraged by what I read on this and other blogs. If Boehner agrees to the (actually very small) tax increase Obama says he wants, conservatives are going to scream for his head and the Tea Parties are going to start calling for primary opponenets against every House Republican who votes for it. This is what Obama wants!

Why would we tear our party apart over a tiny tax increase on a handful of rich people, most of whom voted for Obama and live in Blue cities and states? Write the damn bill so it actually LOWERS the rate on small business income, if that’s what you really care about. Raise the top rate on salary and investment income to 40%. The eliminate the deduction for state and local taxes, pass a surtax on incomes over $10 million to hit the Hollywood stars and pro athletes, eliminate the trick accounting rules that allow movie studios to avoid taxes on billion-dollar movies, etc.

Two can play this game. But will we?

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

The destruction of you and me, and our view, hope, love of and for America.

Fallon on November 15, 2012 at 12:44 PM

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Yep. I bet this is it.

PatriotGal2257 on November 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM

American taxpayers and business will resist any tax increases until: a budget is presented, wasteful and out of control spending is pulled back, the fraud “Green Jobs” programs are halted. Now we can have a conversation.

Amazingoly on November 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM

It’s time for Boehner to man up and tell Reid he’s not putting up with this any more. Submit your solution to the fiscal cliff, submit your solution for the budget, submit your solution for jobs and then tell Reid you’re not going to do anything at all until the President and the Senate come up with a budget. They won an election doing nothing but criticizing the House budget, let them submit a budget and then just sit down and watch them play politics with it and do nothing else while the country’s credit is downgraded and we actually do go off the fiscal cliff.

I know our illustrious free press will do little to report what you’ve done but you’ve got 2 years to overcome this. This isn’t like with Clinton, when you were operating in a press vacuum, you do have some outlets now. I’m sick of the Democrats playing this game. It used to be they just played it to win an election, now it’s a constant. MAN UP BOEHNER or let someone else take over.

bflat879 on November 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM

This so much. It actually might win the GOP seats in 2014.

buckichick1 on November 15, 2012 at 12:46 PM

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Take that crap elsewheres.

D-fusit on November 15, 2012 at 12:47 PM

ACCOMPLICE republicans.

They wail, and moan and groan about how “misguided” the Democrat party is but………..but……..go along helping to grow the scope and power of the Federal government.

Boehner, Cantor, and all their so called leadership team. And McConnell and Cornyn, McCain, Coburn, Graham, etc.

Accomplice republicans all.

PappyD61 on November 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

As I said above, the end game is to make Republicans cross their line in the sand on taxes and blow up the Party, or continue to make them bleed for it in the next two elections.

Pleasse get this straight, everyone.

This is NOT about economic policy. It is NOT about redistribution. It is NOT about “fairness.”

It is about politics. EVERYTHING Barack Obama has done and will do is about politics.

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM

This past year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said a budget was not necessary because the top-line spending number for appropriations was set in the August 2011 debt-ceiling deal.

…which is why the national debt soared by $328,894,249,547.79 between 9 August and 9 November.

The speed is just picking up and the crash is coming sooner.

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM

I’m with you! I’m sick and tired of getting hammered defending the stupid rich who can’t figure out how to ease their guilty consciences and write another check to the IRS and the stupid who voted for Obama that will lose their jobs because of a tax increase. Boehner can make this work in his favor if he will defend it. If it looks like he’s just capitulating we’re through. He must defend this as elections have consequences and explain how unfortunate it is that people will lose jobs over this, but it’s what the people voted for. Only about 20 R’s need to vote for this.

txhsmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM

No deal without a budget. This is just common sense.

munseym on November 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Dude, you’re flirtin’ with the ban hammer.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Last night he suggested some reporters be doused with gasoline and lit on fire. There is no ban hammer.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Well, we voted for the status quo

Lies. Have you ever had an original thought?

tommyhawk on November 15, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Did Maerose Prizzi get her giant gavel back? No.

Status quo: Divided government.

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The tanned Bush gets some more attention from the media. Pole stripping republicans can always get a $10 in their thong if they go after another republican (the higher profile the better).

And these people are going to oppose Reid/Schumer/Murray effectively in Congress?

LAS VEGAS–Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal criticized former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Wednesday for saying that he lost the 2012 election to President Barack Obama in part because Democrats promised “gifts” to minority groups, calling Romney’s remarks “absolutely wrong.”

According to The Los Angeles Times, Romney told donors on a conference call after the election that the Obama campaign “focused on giving targeted groups a big gift” and was “very generous” to ethnic minorities and young voters. Speaking to reporters here at an annual meeting of Republican governors, Jindal said such rhetoric could divide voting groups.

“I think that’s absolutely wrong,” Jindal said. “We have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote. … So I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think it’s absolutely wrong. I don’t think that represents where we are as a party, where we’re going as a party. That has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election.”

the gop is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

PappyD61 on November 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM

This is just common sense.

munseym on November 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Look around you, common sense apparently isn’t all that common.

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM

.

“I have no idea.” Senator Patty Murray-D.

Yup

Jabberwock on November 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

No deal without a budget. This is just common sense.

munseym on November 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Either Boehner goes all in with tax increases so big it makes the Democrats choke or he does nothing.

txhsmom on November 15, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Just saw this gem on Twitter:

@elizabethforma Time to reform the filibuster.

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Control.They’re control freaks.
They want to control and micromanage everyone’s very existence.
They have to prove to themselves that they are in total control by making everyone do more and more outrageous things.
For example, if they could, they would have the Pope perform a partial birth abortion on the altar at St.Peter’s while marrying a gay couple, or a man and his horse, or whatever.

But even that wouldn’t satisfy them.
Ultimately, of course, Dems, libs and other species of Leftists, exert and demonstrate control by killing large numbers of people.

justltl on November 15, 2012 at 1:03 PM

barry has done pretty well for himself, casting aside the old fashioned budget process…he’s pretty much in charge now. His leftist party is in charge of the press and the senate, so budget is pretty much of a non-deal.

the only thing to do now is to watch the barry.press for clues on what’s going to happen from now on. Like the contraception thing…that was a clue. They will tell us the direction that barry is going to go.

don’t get frazzled along the way…barry.left, barry.media will let you know when you need to know

r keller on November 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM

The only way we’ll ever settle the argument over which philosiphy is better is to let them have every freakin thing they want for the next few years. Taxes, give away programs, no spending reductions, carbon taxes…….the whole nine-yards.

That is so stupid. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is no solution. All of those new taxes will be permanantly imbedded in the budget for years to come. And once you create new forms of taxation such as a VAT or a carbon tax, they never die and go away.

We fight for every inch of ground and hold out for the mid term elections in 2014. If that doesn’t work then we hold out for the next presidential election in 2016. Four years is not that long in the grand scheme of things. We wait them out. Obama can’t run for re-election and the Dims will be left with either Hillary or Uncle Joe Biden the Clown as their standard bearer. I’ll take that fight.

Old Fritz on November 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM

This is why you see a moron like Mayor Bloomberg banning big soft drinks.
Think about it- does that sort of thing accomplish anything positive for anyone whatsoever?
Of course not.
It lets him know that he’s in control.
And if a person like him finally gets into a position of total control, well that’s when the genocide begins.

justltl on November 15, 2012 at 1:10 PM

We need a new Speaker of the House.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Wouldn’t Ryan be a nice choice?

cajunpatriot on November 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

When the government takes more of people’s money, that’s money that isn’t being spent in the private sector — and since the private sector unfailing spends money more productively than the federal government, more taxes come at the opportunity cost of greater economic growth, which in turn is what creates jobs, wealth, and innovation. Government does not bring about these things.

Democrats do not believe this, and the American people do not understand this.

We have Democratic leaders arguing that food stamps are an economic stimulus.

Democrats actually believe that government can produce wealth.

matthew8787 on November 15, 2012 at 1:19 PM

I still don’t understand the end game for the Dems.

rik on November 15, 2012 at 12:25 PM

This is what the endgame is for the Dems. Here is by far the most perceptive comment I’ve ever read from this Pajamas Media article Can the Moral Narrative of Obamacare be Defeated?

There is nothing “noble” about the charade being played out on the current American landscape.

Radicalizing this nation into an extremist and totalitarian state via soothing words and under the cover of “protections” for the “people” is belied by the nasty screaming, epithets, false accusations of racism, and all the other “ism’s”.

It is belied by the fakery needed to infuse ambush legislation into every nook and cranny of our lives.

It is belied by the cramdown nature of midnight stealth deals and the use of “reconciliation” to deprive the people of a voice in their self-governing of this land of ours.

Radical leftism has grown fangs and claws and it is spitting out venom at record levels, while screeching in the night at rock concert decibels.

“Health care” is neither about health, nor about care. The radical leftist doesn’t give a damn about whether you live or die. This is about owning a permanent vote. If they give you “health care,” they can take it away. They own your health.

They also want to own your energy. And your auto, transportation, … your very mobility.

They want to own your finances and banking.

They want to own your 401k and yo’ daddy’s 401k and yo’ granddaddy’s 401k.

They want to own Puerto Rico.

They want to own Fannie and Freddie.

They want to own the media, entertainment and academia.

They want to own the insurance industry.

They want to own the medical device industry.

They want to own research and science.

They want to own space exploration.

They want to own the pharmaceutical industry.

They want to own the unions.

They want to own our borders, so that a permanent underclass will be protected and infused into their scheme.

This is NOT about one sixth of the economy, this is about making every citizen, every entrepreneur, every small business owner, every Joe the Plumber or Joe Sixpack, every salt of the earth patriot … into a whimpering pool of melting butter at the threat of being “cut off, shut off or shunned off” the reservation.

This is not about “one” thing, this is about everything. It’s a grab for the whole enchilada. The internal debate raging inside the extremist walls is whether to keep slow boiling the frog or seize the country by the throat now that they were able to sneak into all three Houses.

By any means necessary. Reconciliation is just a warm and fuzzy term for shoving their extremist notions down your throat and up your most available other orifice.

Some argued to keep this going slowly. The “f—ing retards” got a little too anxious and power mad … they want to strangle any complaint, put it in a chokehold and declare all matters “settled.”

The Tea Party movement is simply the natural reaction, instinctive, reflexive…”get your hands off my throat and out of my pocket.” It doesn’t seem to have any “form or direction” to the leftist extremist class, because it isn’t about “politics.” It’s about survival.

– cfbleachers, March 4, 2010

PatriotGal2257 on November 15, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Republican leadership in both houses of Congress should hold a press conference and simply say, “We heard the American people in this last election and we’re going to let you have what you asked for.”

Then, stand back and let Harry, Nancy and Obama own it.

BacaDog on November 15, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I agree, but there are some problems:

1. their constituents voted for them to pursue liberty and economic sanity

2. they take an oath of office to uphold the constitution of the united states; rolling over to the RATS isn’t very faithful to that oath.

That said, I am in favor of the GOP letting Obama and the RATS own anything to which reasonable people will hold them accountable.

We are coming up on Obama’s six-year itch in 2014, so the political dynamics should heavily favor the GOP.

However, we cannot survive as a party that can only win midterm elections.

matthew8787 on November 15, 2012 at 1:28 PM

If the GOP House leadership had any brains or balls, they’d come out and say that in spite of the Democrats controlling all three branches of government during Obama’s first two years, and two out of three branches during his 2nd two years, the media was able to convince a majority of voters that George W. Bush and Republican obstructionism are the two main culprits for our economic woes. And if Obama and Reid don’t want to get serious about addressing these problems, we’ll just tell all GOP House members to abstain on any votes that are taken, and let the Democrats pass whatever they want, and let them deal with the fall out.

For all these years, the GOP has allowed themselves to be whipped into submission by the media. This is a perfect opportunity for them to cry Uncle and say “okay, you win, do whatever you want, and you can take the blame for it”.

ardenenoch on November 15, 2012 at 1:45 PM

What a laugh. The Democrat party is simply an appetite. There is no seriousness on their side when it comes to real cuts. I’ve been arguing that if they’re serious, then defund Big Bird, a crony capitalist that makes money on the backs of the taxpayers. They agrue back that that’s only .00001 of the budget. I counter back with they’re constant refrain to cut Defense with that taking it to zero will still leave an 800 billion dollar deficit.

The Dems will pave the way for the return of capitalism through their desperate need to feed.

itsspideyman on November 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM

This is NOT about economic policy. It is NOT about redistribution. It is NOT about “fairness.”

It is about politics. EVERYTHING Barack Obama has done and will do is about politics.

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Um, the first part satisfies the second part.

Joseph Russo III on November 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM

I’m not encouraged by what I read on this and other blogs. If Boehner agrees to the (actually very small) tax increase Obama says he wants, conservatives are going to scream for his head and the Tea Parties are going to start calling for primary opponenets against every House Republican who votes for it. This is what Obama wants!

Why would we tear our party apart over a tiny tax increase on a handful of rich people, most of whom voted for Obama and live in Blue cities and states? Write the damn bill so it actually LOWERS the rate on small business income, if that’s what you really care about. Raise the top rate on salary and investment income to 40%. The eliminate the deduction for state and local taxes, pass a surtax on incomes over $10 million to hit the Hollywood stars and pro athletes, eliminate the trick accounting rules that allow movie studios to avoid taxes on billion-dollar movies, etc.

Two can play this game. But will we?

rockmom on November 15, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Excellent points. You are exactly right that everything that team 0bama does is purely political, and they want nothing more than for the GOP to implode on itself.

One thing that maybe the GOP can do (but as you asked, will they?) is to just vote “present” on all tax increase legislation. That way, they can avoid the ire of Conservatives and TEA Party groups, since they won’t have voted “for” them. Kind of a high stakes game of chicken.

Nonetheless, I am certain that Pelosi, the Dems, and the media (redundant, I know) will find some way to blame the GOP when the Baby Ruth Bars hit the fan.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM

It makes sense since Obamuh has declared today “America Recycles Day” so of course the Senate will recycle all their old moldy ideas that weren’t fresh the first time. But Obamuh is 8 days late in his declaration bcuz we started recycling him and his smelly old used up prezuhduncy on Nov 7.

stukinIL4now on November 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM

if the republicans in the house block obama and reid, they’ll just use it against us in the next election, and they WILL win.

boehner needs to go in front of the camera and say he’ll muster the votes to pass anything obama wants. for the next four years, just let obama get his way, right now, it’s what the majority of people want. if he does this, dems will lose elections for the next 20 years because the economy will be in shambles, unemployment will skyrocket and the debt will require that all citizen pay more.

it’s a bitter pill, but the way things are going it may be our only hope. more people voted for obama than romney, we’re not going to convince them that responsibility is the right way as long as they’re happy with the status quo.

jetch on November 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Dude, you’re flirtin’ with the ban hammer.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Saul was struck by a vision of God telling him to pursue the instructions on God on his way to Damascus. It was a powerful, ebullient, eruptive, fiery, and forceful event:

“And as he journeyed, it came to pass that he drew nigh unto Damascus: and suddenly there shone round about him a light out of heaven: and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw nothing; and they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and did neither eat nor drink.”

After this event – Saul stopped persecuting God and became Paul, the author of many Epistles. St. Paul helped spread the word of God.

It was a divine revelation – and it was dramatic and profound. If you are against this kind of conversion – startling though it may be – you are against the natural processes of The Divine intervening in human affairs. I am not.

I believe something like this NEEDS TO HAPPEN to Boehner – and I’m hoping it happens soon! Boehner needs to spend time at Street Called Straight!:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul_the_Apostle

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 2:40 PM

We need a new Speaker of the House.

UltimateBob on November 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Wouldn’t Ryan be a nice choice?

cajunpatriot on November 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

WINNER – Most intelligent comment of the thread!!

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 2:42 PM

“I have no idea.” Senator Patty Murray-D.

Yup

Jabberwock on November 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Someone rated her the stupidest member of the US Congress. I can believe it.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The last thing the Democrats want is a budget. You can hide a lot of red ink when you don’t have a budget.

GarandFan on November 15, 2012 at 3:00 PM

No more continuing resolutions.
Let govt shut down.
This crap has to end.

freedomfirst on November 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Someone rated her (Patty Murray)the stupidest member of the US Congress. I can believe it.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Well, there is Elizabeth Warren waiting in the wings. Fauxchahontas will surely give The Mom In Tennis Shoes a run for her money.

Old Fritz on November 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Wouldn’t Ryan be a nice choice?
cajunpatriot on November 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Recent history shows that the Vice Presidential loser shall henceforth be ridiculed and destroyed. Didn’t you get the memo?

cptacek on November 15, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Wouldn’t Ryan be a nice choice?

cajunpatriot on November 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

No, he wouldn’t. In fact, he’s a horrible choice for a Representative.

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

John Boehner can straight up refuse to pass the next Continuing Resolution. No Continuing Resolution… Nobody gets paid. Newt Gingrich was the last Speaker of the House who had the balls to do this, and while it cost him his seat, it also forced Bill Clinton to move to the center politically.

SWalker on November 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Isn’t it funny (/s) that Boehner was one of the ten “bright minds” in GOP Congress who forced Newt out, Na d now we are stuck with this POS of a (supposed) human being as our House leader.

riddick on November 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Does the White House and the leadership come together on some solution to the budget that we have right now that precludes a budget being written next year?”

She has hijacked the law here:

A “solution” to the budget was never agreed to, there is no budget, if there was the House would pass it, Harry Reid could write it up, and Obama would sign it.

Obama ran the country for four years without a budget, you cannot re write history. You cannot satisfy the law that says there should be a budget by funding old spending.

NO more money for Obama, shut it down.

Fleuries on November 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I want Paul Ryan to be Speaker of the House. He knows what a budget looks like.

Fleuries on November 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Oops: Typo on Reid’s job title — fixed!

It originally read Ahssole-in-Chief?

andycanuck on November 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Wouldn’t Ryan be a nice choice?

cajunpatriot on November 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

No, he wouldn’t. In fact, he’s a horrible choice for a Representative.

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

With all due respsect – that is one of the dumbest comments I have ever heard.

williamg on November 15, 2012 at 4:46 PM