Gallup: Plurality now supports “balanced approach” of tax hikes and spending cuts to reduce deficit

posted at 7:41 pm on November 15, 2012 by Allahpundit

Depressing, not so much because of the raw numbers as because of the trend. Sixteen months ago, adults split 50/32 in favor of deficit reduction entirely or mostly via spending cuts versus the “balanced approach,” i.e. an equal mix of cuts and tax hikes. That was a hopeful early sign that voters had grasped the core problem driving runaway deficits; the next step would be to educate them on the urgent need for entitlement reform and the inconvenient fact that tax hikes on the rich alone won’t dig us out of this Grand Canyon. If they want to tax their way out, it’s time to pay the piper.

Today’s split? 45/40 in favor of “balance” over mostly/all cuts. Backslide:

GOP opinion is actually slightly more in favor of a cuts-heavy approach now than it was in July 2011; back then, Republicans split 67/24 between mostly/only cuts and “balance.” It’s Democrats and independents who have shifted dramatically. Last year Dems split 33/42 between cuts and “balance” while independents split 51/30. The indie numbers now have nearly flipped. It’s a crying shame that Gallup didn’t poll this question between then and now so that we could track how opinion changed over time. Was it a gradual change, starting maybe with the debt-ceiling standoff? Or did Obama’s campaign attacks on Romney and the rich paying their “fair share” move the numbers more? The only thing we can safely conclude is that Romney’s messaging about keeping taxes low on job creators in order to spur growth didn’t do the trick.

More data, this time from the national exit poll on election day:

That’s 60% support for raising taxes on “the rich,” which of course is what Boehner and House Republicans are agonizing over right now. He’s said repeatedly that he’s open to new revenue but not new taxes, but some in the GOP caucus aren’t so sure everyone’s on board with that. Especially if the top bracket moves from $250,000+ to $1 million and up:

It’s not that they’re about to fully embrace President Barack Obama’s tax hikes, but many Republican lawmakers privately concede that the 2012 election left them with far short of a mandate on taxes, and if urged by Democrats to raise rates on what they dub the mega-wealthy, they will have a tough time resisting…

Some higher-ranking Republicans, including South Carolina Rep. Tim Scott, who was elected to leadership for a second term last week, say they know lawmakers look like they could buckle on a million-dollar threshold.

“Oh, absolutely,” Scott said when asked if some of his fellow Republicans will support the increase. “People are actually coming out saying that.” Scott said he would oppose tax hikes even if the threshold is raised.

Why are Republicans wavering? Because of the numbers above, but also because of this:

We could kick around theories on why the GOP would get the blame but I think the root of it is in O’s message. When voters hear that Obama wants “balance,” it sounds moderate and sensible even though Democratic leaders are seemingly uninterested in the most crucial, sensible component of any prospective Grand Bargain. So the GOP ends up staring at -30 with indies on the blame question if a stalemate carries us off the cliff, which would be bad news given how worried people are about the consequences. A recent Gallup poll found that 82% say it’s extremely or very important to make a deal before the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect. In the Pew poll, 68% expect that falling off the cliff would have a major effect on the economy and 62% expect it’ll be negative. Interesting footnote: In both polls, Republicans are more concerned about the impact than Democrats or independents. In Gallup, 88% say it’s extremely or very important to make a deal; in Pew, 79% say the cliff will have a negative effect on the economy. I assume both are a product of GOPers worrying about the tax-hike part of the equation more than Dems or indies.

Anyway, if you want to know why some House caucus members are toying with the idea of raising rates on millionaires, that’s why. Exit question: Can anyone square this result, also from the national exit poll, with any of the above? I realize voters aren’t always consistent in their choices, but c’mon.


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L.i.B

Electrongod on November 15, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Gallup?Heh.

CW on November 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I’m sure it’s the usual…

raise my neighbor’s taxes but not mine…and cut spending but not anything I want.

teejk on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Boehner to Obama “we’ll raise your own taxes”.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Let them have it and then watch it fail.

There is no point in trying to pretend that the voters, or the politicians have any interest in getting off the gravy train.

Romney and Ryan ran on preserving the entitlements gravy train, and Obama ran on lets spend our way to prosperity.

No one in Washington DC is serious about doing a thing to avert what is coming. They aren’t going to stop.

sharrukin on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

The majority of American people transition from dumb to utterly stupid by the seconds.

It must be in the air.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Tax the unions! That way, everybody’s happy.

malclave on November 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM

The Left will Never cut anything.

See Gov. Brown of Cali. Last Tuesday he got his prop 30 passed, supposedly for improved school funding. Today he told his state universities to switch to on-line courses and save “because we’re out of money”.

1001 examples of such abound.

The Rs are utter dummies to fall for it.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 7:50 PM

I couldn’t care less what Gallup says. No tax hikes.

bluegill on November 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM

The GOP is falling right into Obama’s trap. Just let them have the tax increase. Give the retards of American the opportunity to roll around in their own feces.

Mark1971 on November 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM

I think Libs have caught on and are now telling pollsters they are independents.

ctmom on November 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Let them win. Bring on tax hikes for everyone.

El_Terrible on November 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Give Obowma everything he wants so he can’t come back and blame the GOP when we go over the fiscal cliff…

… Make him own it.

He wants the system to crash anyway, why not step out of the way and let him do it…

… the press will try to cover for him, but “We gave him everything he wanted.” is a pretty good retort when the Country, our currency, and our economy begin to burn.

Then let Obowmacare kick in, along with the new EPA regulations…

… If were going to do this, let’s do it right!

The Fiscal Cliff And The Keyser Soze Option

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

One thing has become crystal clear . . . the voters in this country have absolutely no idea what they want or what they are doing. If you don’t like the poll you get today, poll them again tomorrow and I guarantee the results will be different. Get a good hold of something solid because this poor sick Republic is about to crash.

rplat on November 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I believe in raising taxes on those people who don’t pay any right now.

1-3%

gophergirl on November 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

L.i.B

A balanced approach?

How about we start a cash fundraiser? Burn it.

nitzsche on November 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

When has there been any messaging out of the R’s in congress?

Answer:never
They just want there cut too.

tygart on November 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Can anyone square this result, also from the national exit poll, with any of the above?

It is easily squared.

The “Let. It. Burn.

caucus is growing by leaps and bounds.

Even Ace is getting the itch to get on board.

I’m finding the gravitational pull of the Let It Burn caucus growing increasingly strong and increasingly irresistible.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Whistlin past the graveyard, are they?

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Introduce a film production tax. Argue that Hollywood is just a bunch of fat-cat entertainers and that they need to be economic patriots. You know, pay their fair share. Everyone gets their fair shake, everyone gets their fair share. Need to make sure aspiring movie actors get some help.

The Count on November 15, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Maybe when people starve to death with the life passing out of them…just before their eyes roll back in their heads they will finally wake up and get it and then …..nothing.

NO TAX HIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO OBAMACARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which already has 21 tax hikes in it.

What balanced approach?

The Republicans walk through the doorway of negotiations 21 tax hikes behind before they can even open their mouthes.

Varchild on November 15, 2012 at 7:57 PM

That’s 60% support for raising taxes on “the rich,” which of course is what Boehner and House Republicans are agonizing over right now.

Screw ‘em. Raise ‘em! The rich and taxes, respectively. And don’t raise ‘em a little, raise ‘em a lot! Balance the budget with all those sweet, sweet ducats. And expand! Stop screwing around and solve our damned problems.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM

No one in Washington DC is serious about doing a thing to avert what is coming. They aren’t going to stop.

sharrukin on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Sheila Bair has been a lonely voice of reason on the issue.

lexhamfox on November 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM

This polling only reinforces the “Let it Burn” method of getting this country back.

This is like dealing with a bad alcoholic.

You don’t approach them at the bar. You approach them when they are in Jail, the hospital, etc.

Only then is an arrogant addict able to open their mind to the possibility their way is not only not working but leading to misery.

Post-election if you listen to them all from Obama to Politico they are all VERY drunk on the election results. It is the middle of the party for them. We have to not kid ourselves about winning converts right now.

Conan on November 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM

gophergirl on November 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

I agree..The Tax system should be overhauled..But there is not enough time to do it before the fiscal cliff..But I don’t want no one to get a tax increase..:)

Dire Straits on November 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Introduce a film production tax. Argue that Hollywood is just a bunch of fat-cat entertainers and that they need to be economic patriots. You know, pay their fair share. Everyone gets their fair shake, everyone gets their fair share. Need to make sure aspiring movie actors get some help.

The Count on November 15, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Well going to a movie theater sitting on one’s fat butt eating buttered popcorn, drinking soda, and munching on gummy worms is not real healthy. I say a dollar tax on each ticket too.

CW on November 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM

^^^^Epic failure on formatting up there^^^^

Posting while under the influence.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM

DC steals and destroys and they comfort themselves with poll numbers. When are we going to realize that the whole point is NOT to fix our nation’s debt problems? The will ALWAYS steal and ALWAYS centralize power. The only thing you can do is get your own family ready.

Weight of Glory on November 15, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I agree..The Tax system should be overhauled..But there is not enough time to do it before the fiscal cliff..But I don’t want no one to get a tax increase..:)

Dire Straits on November 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM

If you have to fill out a W4 to get the job – then you pay taxes period.

I have a feeling if that happened – a lot more of the moochers would start caring about more than their “Obamaphone”

gophergirl on November 15, 2012 at 8:02 PM

It’s nonsense. The proposed tax hikes on the rich yield $80 billion a year. The deficit is $1500 billion a year. So what’s this BS about “balancing”? $80 billion in tax hikes, and $1420 billion in spending cuts? OK, I’ll go for that.

Paul-Cincy on November 15, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Can anyone square this result, also from the national exit poll, with any of the above?

I’ll take a crack at it — the first set of questions about tax increases isn’t predicated on deficit reduction; in other words there’s more support for tax-and-spend or a top-1%-funded-round-2-of-stimulus than there is for tax increases intended principally to reduce the deficit.

IOW, the Free S**t Army says “Nice 1040 you’ve got there.”

DrSteve on November 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM

I agree..The Tax system should be overhauled..But there is not enough time to do it before the fiscal cliff..But I don’t want no one to get a tax increase..:)

Dire Straits on November 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I want more programs, and I want them NOW! :)

pro – grams, pro – grams, pro- grams

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Sheila Bair has been a lonely voice of reason on the issue.

lexhamfox on November 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM

There haven’t been many who even care, much less speak out. Mostly its been left to bloggers to make the case.

sharrukin on November 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM

OT: just got an email from Todd Akin saying thanks for his support (I never gave him any and told him to quit many times) and asked for help paying off his bills. Gee, Todd, let me get right on that. The lone bright spot of the night could have been tossing out Claire if not for his selfish disregard for his party, but I’m going to throw him a few bucks now that he tossed away that seat? HA!

The Count on November 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM

I think it is just this simple: A lot of right thinking folks have just given up on any hope of a cuts only approach, and think favoring it is like voting for Steve Weems or Joe Blow for President—A waste of effort. So they go with the next best thing, a “Balanced Approach”, though they don’t realize that’ll just lead to what Ace describes as something inadvertent happening in your mouth….

dougwinship on November 15, 2012 at 8:06 PM

So everyone expects the Rep Powers to suddenly be able to swing a bat they couldn’t swing for four years? Face it, they pulled a Rangers and then topped it with a Tigers.

Limerick on November 15, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Plurality now supports “balanced approach” of tax hikes and spending cuts to reduce deficit

…When has ANYONE seen… spending cuts?

KOOLAID2 on November 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM

LIB.. everyone’s taxes go up.

Illinidiva on November 15, 2012 at 8:09 PM

…When has ANYONE seen… spending cuts?

KOOLAID2 on November 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I did, today, at Kroger. The cart was either bigger or the packages smaller, or something.

Limerick on November 15, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Education through pain. That’s the only option. And make the Dems own it. What is our alternative? Fight tooth and nail for marginal benefit, that won’t overcome overall bad policy and get blamed because things weren’t liberal enough and we supposedly got what we wanted….. or give the country the bad medicine quickly while arguing for conservatism and leave the D’s responsible. Then take our chances at being able to put the pieces back together sooner.

Braveheart on November 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I hope a “plurality” of Americans enjoy the recession they are going to get as a result.

Take a look at the EU. Back in recession. Now, idiots like The Ferret will tell you it is because of “Austerity!!!” – which is allegedly a platform only the Tea Party could love. B-f’ing-S!

Government spending has risen as a share of GDP in all of the major economies. Average government spending by EU nations today stands at approximately 49.2% of GDP — v. 44.8% in 2000. On its own website, the EU itself ridicules the notion of government austerity as a “myth.”

“National budgets are NOT decreasing their spending, they are increasing it,” the EU says, noting that in 2011, 23 of the 27 nations in the EU increased spending. This year, 24 of 27 will do so.

This Is The Dawning Of The Age Of “Austerity”?

Further, raise taxes on the “evil rich” will raise negligible revenues in comparison to the amount of money the government is spending. According to the CBO, increasing the 25/28/33/35 tax brackets to 28/31/36/39.6 will raise:

FY2013: $40 billion or 11.43 days of government funding.

FY2013-2014: $95 billion or 27.14 days of government funding.

FY2013-2022: $730 billion or 208.57 days of government funding.

Between 9 August 2012 and 9 November 2012 – a period of 93 days – the Federal government added $328.9 BILLION to the national debt. Bush’s worst ANNUAL deficit was $438 billion, which was outrageous then.

93 Days And $328,894,249,547.79, But Don’t Worry, Be Happy!

M2RB: The Ramones

Both the EU and the US have three main problems and there aren’t enough rich people or tax revenues in the world to solve any of them:

1. Unsustainable entitlement programmes

2. Aging populations

3. Too many people, who believe that the government or “someone” owes them a living, an education, housing, healthcare, recreation, etc.

Resist We Much on November 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM

And make the Dems own it.

Braveheart on November 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

***uptwinkles***

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM

And a majority re-elected Obama, that doesn’t make them right

clippermiami on November 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM

L.i.B

Electrongod on November 15, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I’ve lost sight of any down side.

Viva el fuego.

Curtiss on November 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Increasing tax rates won’t increase revenue, and will harm the economy (more). Getting rid of tax deductions and credits is effectively a spending cut, even though it would be scored as a revenue increase.

Count to 10 on November 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM

So with the tax hikes can we at least get unicorn hybrids?

Limerick on November 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM

OMG!! Can we stop with the damn polls already?!?! What on earth did civilization do before there were polls? Oh that’s right, they governed the citizenry based upon principle and common sense. /sarc

Really, can we not have another poll about anything for the next say…. 100 years or so?

glennbo on November 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM

It’s nonsense. The proposed tax hikes on the rich yield $80 billion a year. The deficit is $1500 billion a year. So what’s this BS about “balancing”? $80 billion in tax hikes, and $1420 billion in spending cuts? OK, I’ll go for that.

Paul-Cincy on November 15, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Spending cuts first.

talkingpoints on November 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Should we ever believe a poll again?

How bout hard news from now on?

itsspideyman on November 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM

You all have a better chance of getting a Yankee cap on Allah than getting him to stop the poll roll.

Limerick on November 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I’m resigned to taxes going up, but why not let everyone’s taxes go up a little bit. And quit letting half the population get away with not paying anything.

COgirl on November 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM

I’ve lost sight of any down side.

Viva el fuego.

Curtiss on November 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM

It’s going to hurt like a scorned dominatrix. But I’ve lost sight of escaping it. All I can imagine doing is 1. Telling people in a formal, written, recoverable way that x isn’t going to work; 2. Allowing x to happen with no resistance.

Stop struggling and let the policies generate results so that people can see them. They can’t balance the budget with tax increases. So let them increase the taxes to balance the budget. And never stop pointing out that it was always idiocy. Never stop talking.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM

what horsecrap. Is that all Hot Air is going to be now, poll chummers?

FUDGED POLLS ARE NOT HOW THE NATION SHOULD BE GOVERNED. THAT’S PURE MOBOCRACY.

/damned morons

rayra on November 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM

…When has ANYONE seen… spending cuts?

KOOLAID2 on November 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Several EU economies have seen spending cuts.

lexhamfox on November 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I mentioned this in another thread.
Give the masses the increase. Let the BUSH tax relief / cuts expire.
What we revert back to is
CLINTONS (Bill & Hill) tax increase.
Hammer it home day and night.
TV, radio, blogs.
We will find out how much economic effect that cut made on our economy then and I argue today.

I am also wondering when the “tax cut” B.O. did on the
Payroll tax expires. Is he going to continue to drive S.S. into
the ground at a steeper angle than needed?

Whiterock on November 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Why do I have the feeling again that Speaker Boehner is not being completely honest with us?

Mr. Arrogant on November 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Excuse me, but Republicans, once again, have allowed Obama and his ad team (masquerading as an administration) to define the terms of debate.

Since when is it balanced to raise taxes only on certain people?

Oh, I see, balance only applies if you’re not wealthy. Wealthy people aren’t really Americans so they’re not covered by the Constitution. They forfeit their inalienable rights by earning too much money.

Now I understand what balanced means.

IndieDogg on November 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Meaningless, because what those people really want is: “tax hikes on other people, and spending cuts that only affect other people.”

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Let it burn

blatantblue on November 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

These people are brain dead, read it to believe it.

New Senate Dem Budget Chair: No, We Won’t Be Producing A Budget Anytime Soon…

Let. It. Burn.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

They should strike a deal to prevent tax hikes on the middle class and defer the fiscal cliff defense spending cuts. Negotiate discretionary spending cuts and tax rates for the “rich” next. Then, its time to talk entitlements.

Lawdawg86 on November 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Yes, just let’s get on with it. Let it happen. Even since the 1980s when the Democrats won the Senate back with Mediscare/SocialSecurityscare tactics, nearly 30 years now, to today showing Paul Ryan pushing seniors over the cliff, screw it. To hell with all of it. Let it burn.

Paul-Cincy on November 15, 2012 at 8:29 PM

The roof, the roof,
The roof is on fire.
The roof, the roof,
The roof is on fire.
The roof, the roof,
The roof is on fire.

We dont need no water,
Let the mother f****r burn.
Burn, mother f****r, burn

bitsy on November 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Don’t fall for the trap GOP- don’t reach an agreement on a “balanced” approach. Whatever happens Oblamer will try to blame it on you. Considering that all new revenue starts in the House if you go with the tax hikes you will be blamed for the results anyway. Don’t give Dems cover for 2014.

Stay the course, negate any new taxes. Either start explaining economics to people, instead of just saying “no taxes for the jobs creators”, and start being more specific a la Paul Ryan with his videos.

And if that doesn’t work then simply say “Ok Mr President- we’ll give you what you want. We’ll let the current tax rates expire (for everyone)”. At least that would be the “fair” approach.

ptcamn on November 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

OMG!! Can we stop with the damn polls already?!?! What on earth did civilization do before there were polls? Oh that’s right, they governed the citizenry based upon principle and common sense. /sarc

Really, can we not have another poll about anything for the next say…. 100 years or so?

glennbo on November 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Imagine a job where you have to crank out a dozen or so articles every day. Don’t feel like writing today? Too bad. Nothing much happening in the world? Too bad. You want a paycheck, get writing. In a way, even for people that love to write, it’s a sucky job. Writing about polls is an easy crutch.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

The media controls the narrative. EVERYTHING will be the republicans fault…there is no falsehood that can’t be turned around and blamed on us. Not one.

tomas on November 15, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Don’t resist tax hikes to because they’ll hurt the economy.

Surrender on tax hikes because they’ll hurt the economy.

The American people voted for economic recession. Give the people what they want. Oh, sure, most of them don’t realize that, but that’s all the more reason to rub their nose in it. You have to let the public see Santa’s bill. There are consequences to electing Democrats and shielding the public from them by muddying the issue is not helping the nation’s health long term.

As this and every other poll indicates, significant pluralities and majorities will blame Republicans for any hardship that can be tied. There’s only one way to fix that now that the election is past, and that’s the hard way. Give the people what they want.

If Republicans don’t let Obama have his tax rates, the recession – which is coming anyway – will be blamed on Republicans and sequestration, instead of Obama. The news will be blasting every night with the “standoff” over the “fiscal cliff” and, whether we go over or not, hey! a recession. The public will be angry and 2014 and the GOP could be swept out. Conversely, the GOP can’t be blamed for tax hikes – not because the media isn’t shameless, but because they can’t blame anyone for tax hikes, because they consider tax hikes A Good Thing.

I don’t exactly understand why it’s the GOP’s responsibility to use their vanishingly small hold on power as an escutcheon between the American people and their choices.

HitNRun on November 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Tell the DEMS that as soon as they give us the tax cuts still owed to America from the Regan and Bush 41 days, then we can talk about additional revenue. Until then, go pound sand. The people put
a GOP majority into their House knowing their position on tax increases. They have a mandate.

Whiterock on November 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I’m finding the gravitational pull of the Let It Burn caucus growing increasingly strong and increasingly irresistible.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

God, I hope so! L.I.B.–and at least when we go down we can take some of the 47% that is not paying taxes–under water with the rest of us…

lovingmyUSA on November 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

God, I hope so! L.I.B.–and at least when we go down we can take some of the 47% that is not paying taxes–under water with the rest of us…

lovingmyUSA on November 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM

. . . it would not be oblivion. Just a reboot. :)

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM

The conversation in military circles is to use your benefits while they’re still benefits. The talk is they’ll hit us “again” before they reduce benfits/entitlments for the 47 percenters.

hawkdriver on November 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I’m sure it’s the usual…

raise my neighbor’s taxes but not mine…and cut spending but not anything I want.

teejk on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Only took 3 people in but the thread winner is right here.

watertown on November 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

If mine go up, I want everyone’s to go up. Simple as that. Patriotic even.

txmomof6 on November 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

tax hikes won’t contribute one net penny to the coffers.

tom daschle concerned on November 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Bullshit. Cut the spending. Period.

I can swing for the loophole jazz, but cut the spending. Period.

Period.

petefrt on November 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

petefrt on November 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Correction: I can go for the loophole jazz only if it includes windmills, solar panels, carbon crap, and other French restaurants.

petefrt on November 15, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I love it.. while we are all having a circular firing squad- Dems are continuing to cement the message that we are the ones responsible for the financial problems.

Guess what guys, you can purge the Socons, grant amnesty, and run a blue dog Democrat and Democrats will still be able to label and narrate our candidate. Until we learn to fight fire with fire, learn to deal with a hostile media we aren’t going to get anywhere.

I heard the same sexist BS today from Reid et. al. THe reason the Repubs are “smearing” Susan Rice’s reputation is because she is a black woman. And you know what, the media ate it up.

Repubs better learn to go nuclear on this a$$es and find a message and stop trying to hunt and kill the allies within their own party.

melle1228 on November 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Raise those taxes on the “rich” ($1mil+) so high the Democrats choke on it. Call it Obama’s Revenge.

txhsmom on November 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I’m finding the gravitational pull of the Let It Burn caucus growing increasingly strong and increasingly irresistible.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Peterman, with all due respect and I truly respect your posts here at HotGas. The L.I.B. acronym needs to be changed to L.I.F.B.

Born in Hungary (another f*ck*ng communist hell hole) I can’t tell you enough how fed up I am with the stupidity of 51% of the (citizens?) of this country.

One thing is for sure, my faith in our Lord has gained enormous strength since Barfy won re-election. My life is in his hands now and I hope he’ll turn the USA into the Sodom or Gomorrah it has become.

Here’s another eastern bloc refugee who has seen his dream shatter at the hands of stupidity.

NapaConservative on November 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Until we learn to fight fire with fire, learn to deal with a hostile media we aren’t going to get anywhere.

melle1228 on November 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Yes, #1 lesson is we can no longer afford to rely on logic, aka the high road, to defeat emotional appeals. A logical appeal to counter an emotional appeal just seldom if ever works. To counter an emotional appeal requires a countervailing emotional appeal.

To win, we need leaders who can express conservative values so as to appeal to middle and lower income people. Think Marco Rubio.

Lesson #2, as Rush admitted today, is that to restore our government, we must restore our history and our culture. First of all, this means taking the leftist propaganda out of public education.

The election of 2012 proved Gramsci correct. What no army on earth has the power to do, leftist can achieve… bloodlessly… as the army from within.

petefrt on November 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The R’s should have a little fun with this. Put up a bill with sensible spending cuts and Barack’s tax increase. Each day it doesn’t pass, increase both.

txhsmom on November 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Give Obowma everything he wants so he can’t come back and blame the GOP when we go over the fiscal cliff…

Seven Percent Solution on November 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Oh you are so wrong. With much help from the MSM, they will still blame the GOP, and half the country will buy it. Remember the poll, 60+% of the dumb-ass voters blame Bush for the financial cesspool Broncobama put us in.

Alabama Infidel on November 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

L.I.B.

xplodeit on November 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

L.I.B.

xplodeit on November 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

L.I.F.B.

NapaConservative on November 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

To win, we need leaders who can express conservative values so as to appeal to middle and lower income people. Think Marco Rubio.

petefrt on November 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Anything Rubio has to offer is cancelled out by his goal of amnesty for the 30 million illegal aliens here and the the other 30 million or so that will come with the chain migration.

Sure, democrats will get it done sooner or later. I just hate to see guys on our side helping them. We might as well get use to the fact that George W. Bush is the last Republican President.

Rubio’s amnesty will make Florida and Texas as Blue as New York. After that, there is no possible combination that will get us to 270 electoral votes.

Alabama Infidel on November 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

This sure isn’t sudden and relentless reform. This is wimpy to say the least. Nothing will get done, because they won’t do anything that will solve the problem. Neither side. We need someone that actually cares about the USA and there aren’t any people in DC that do. No one will tell the spoiled brat “NO”.

BetseyRoss on November 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM

So what?

They never seem to care much about what the public agrees or disagrees with.
Now suddenly Joe Sweatsock’s opinion is important and will guide them??
Bull.

Mimzey on November 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Peterman, with all due respect and I truly respect your posts here at HotGas. The L.I.B. acronym needs to be changed to L.I.F.B.

Born in Hungary (another f*ck*ng communist hell hole) I can’t tell you enough how fed up I am with the stupidity of 51% of the (citizens?) of this country.

One thing is for sure, my faith in our Lord has gained enormous strength since Barfy won re-election. My life is in his hands now and I hope he’ll turn the USA into the Sodom or Gomorrah it has become.

Here’s another eastern bloc refugee who has seen his dream shatter at the hands of stupidity.

NapaConservative on November 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I did not know that you are a fellow Comrade in Arms. I’m looking forward to visiting my family and friends in Slovakia and Czech Republic. Do I stay and LIFB or watch from afar with my family? I can take my career with me.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

First let me apologize to bloggers when I keep repeating that our National Debt is increasing at a rate of 5 billion dollars a day. I was wrong and When I’m wrong I’ll say it.the National Debt is increasing at a rate of 6.6 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY-or better than 4 million dollars a minute!

Second let’s get to tax increases. If we allowed no deductions and taxed all sources of income at a 100% tax rate (a ludicrous notion) it would not be enough to decrease the amount of debt only SLOW DOWN ITS RATE.

Third a history of tax increases show that any additional revenues (often tax increases yield LESS income)are NOT used to pay down the debt but are used to increase government salaries and pensions, increase government bureaucracies and pay off government “obligations” to contributors as kickbacks.

Fourth the ONLY way to cut the debt is to CUT THE SPENDING and OBAMACARE shows that SPENDING WILL BE THE MOST RECKLESS EVER IN THE FUTURE.

MaiDee on November 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Who cares? Why are we still wasting time agonizing over this? Just let the frickin thing burn to the ground.

tkyang99 on November 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I did not know that you are a fellow Comrade in Arms. I’m looking forward to visiting my family and friends in Slovakia and Czech Republic. Do I stay and LIFB or watch from afar with my family? I can take my career with me.

JPeterman on November 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

There are more of us around here than you know Peterman. We’ve been screaming at the top of our lungs to try to prevent these fools from slipping into the lull of communism. But to no avail, these idiots just can’t see the f*ck*ing forest for all the trees.

I wish you all the best in your visit with your family. Just got back from a wonderful trip through eastern Europe. Both Slovakia and the Czech Republic are truly beautiful places to visit. Our stay in Praha was magical. But Budapest is dear to my heart and it was the highlight of our trip.

God bless you and your family Peterman.

NapaConservative on November 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

We’re by nature a nation of moderation, fairness and compromise. Set the question up as though a matter of two extremes, and our people are inclined to split the difference and go for the Golden Mean. Hence the value to politicians of false dichotomies.

Tzetzes on November 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Just tax everyone making over $100,000 a year at 99% and get it over with.

ScottMcC on November 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Okay lets try this in a different way, first we actually get spending cuts, then we raise taxes. And don’t all.you conservatives freak out, it will never happen. We get taxes raised and somehow the spending cuts never happen. We get new crapola programs that cost more and do nothing.

stormridercx4 on November 16, 2012 at 1:00 AM

People talk up fiscal responsibility and spending cuts because they want to seem like responsible adults – but at the end of the day, they don’t want anyone taking their goodies and handouts away. That’s why they voted to put the children back in charge.

At this point, I’m numb and apathetic. A nation that would re-elect an incompetent fool like Obama doesn’t deserve my passion or consideration.

I’m taking care of my family, but people who stayed home on election day or voted Democrat can take a flying leap.

DRayRaven on November 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Braveheart on November 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I 100% agree!! I really do. Well said.

And

teejk on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

-Yep. Most irritating that so many people are so gullible and selfish. Ugh.

Minorcan Maven on November 16, 2012 at 7:52 AM

How about this: why doesn’t someone just show the numbers on tax hikes that demonstrate how little the effect wold be on the debt/deficit if we raised taxes on all households with a $200K+ income by, say, 25% – or some number well above whatever has been proposed by either side. I expect the change to the debt/deficit will be extremely small.

Then show the effect of cutting spending – this should have a significant effect.

Show the two examples side-by-side ALL THE TIME.

We can endlessly debate on whether people making above some set income threhold are paying their “fair share” – the point is to get the economy and the debt/deficit under control. If raising taxes has only a small effect, then why are we wasting all this time arguing over whether or not the threshold should be $200K or $300K or $1 million, and whether the increase should be 2% or 3% or 10%? IT ALL WILL NOT MATTER. It is like a doctor telling the nurse to wash her hands so as not to infect the patient afte the patient has died.

sultanp on November 16, 2012 at 7:54 AM

The majority of American people transition from dumb to utterly stupid by the seconds.

It must be in the air.

Schadenfreude on November 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Actually it’s in the water. Blue counties if you will are nearly all adjacent to major waterways; Oceans, or the Great Lakes, or major rivers. It is definitely the water.

Dasher on November 16, 2012 at 8:11 AM

LiB

royzer on November 16, 2012 at 8:12 AM

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