Ron Paul’s farewell salute to freedom

posted at 8:46 pm on November 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

There are a fair few issues over which I would heartily disagree with longtime Rep. Ron Paul, but there are also a heck of a lot on which I most vociferously would agree: Limited government, sticking to the Constitution, federalism, free markets, fiscal solvency, classical liberalism, free speech; he knows how to talk a great game on that front. His stubbornly-lingering presidential bid may’ve earned him some ire, and his steadfast libertarianism has managed to garner him a rather — er — shall we say boisterous following, but I wonder if any recent politician has made such a successful career out of sticking to his guns rather than adapting to the political moment; constancy seems to be quite the feat for too many of our elected leaders.

Paul made his farewell speech to the House of Representatives on Wednesday afternoon, as he’ll be retiring at the close of this Congress, and I thought his speech was a good summation of his career and provided some excellent food for thought. Again, I’m not on board with everything he has to say, but he did pose a poignant question of sorts that a lot of conservatives have been pondering in the wake of Mitt Romney’s defeat: “I’ve thought a lot about why those of us who believe in liberty as a solution, have done so poorly in convincing others of its benefits. If liberty is what we claim it is, the principle that protects all personal, social, and economic decisions necessary for maximum prosperity and the best chance for peace, it should be an easy sell. Yet history has shown that the masses have been quite receptive to the promises of authoritarians, which are rarely, if ever, fulfilled. Should we have authoritarianism, or liberty?” Selling the conservative vision of freedom as the most effective, penetrating way to help people, and as the pro-market rather than the pro-business party, does seem to be quite the sticking point, doesn’t it? Click the image to watch:

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Because there is no such thing as economic conservativism without social conservatism. Period.

Shump on November 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

What a ridiculously silly thing to say.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

But didn’t he blame America for 9/11?

Gelsomina on November 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Uh, no. Or the CIA intelligence reports did too. Take your pick.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Ron Paul isn’t so much a Libertarian as he is a Paleo-Con.

Corporal Tunnel on November 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Maybe he’ll go back to vayjay inspection. When your wife says she has a doctors appointment,,

wolly4321 on November 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Jeddite is commenting in this thread.

Jeddite on November 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Republicans are no longer conservative, so I don’t see it as “eating their own” when they slander a man like Ron Paul or his supporters.

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Now that Democrats are “progressive”, Republicans appear to have taken over the liberal mantle.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

“In many ways, according to conventional wisdom, my off-and-on career in Congress, from 1976 to 2012, accomplished very little. No named legislation, no named federal buildings or highways—thank goodness. In spite of my efforts, the government has grown exponentially, taxes remain excessive, and the prolific increase of incomprehensible regulations continues. Wars are constant and pursued without Congressional declaration, deficits rise to the sky, poverty is rampant and dependency on the federal government is now worse than any time in our history.

All this with minimal concerns for the deficits and unfunded liabilities that common sense tells us cannot go on much longer. A grand, but never mentioned, bipartisan agreement allows for the well-kept secret that keeps the spending going. One side doesn’t give up one penny on military spending, the other side doesn’t give up one penny on welfare spending, while both sides support the bailouts and subsidies for the banking and corporate elite. And the spending continues as the economy weakens and the downward spiral continues. As the government continues fiddling around, our liberties and our wealth burn in the flames of a foreign policy that makes us less safe.

The major stumbling block to real change in Washington is the total resistance to admitting that the country is broke. This has made compromising, just to agree to increase spending, inevitable since neither side has any intention of cutting spending.

The country and the Congress will remain divisive since there’s no “loot left to divvy up.”

Without this recognition the spenders in Washington will continue the march toward a fiscal cliff much bigger than the one anticipated this coming January.

I have thought a lot about why those of us who believe in liberty, as a solution, have done so poorly in convincing others of its benefits. If liberty is what we claim it is- the principle that protects all personal, social and economic decisions necessary for maximum prosperity and the best chance for peace- it should be an easy sell. Yet, history has shown that the masses have been quite receptive to the promises of authoritarians which are rarely if ever fulfilled.”

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Ron Paul isn’t so much a Libertarian as he is a Paleo-Con.

Corporal Tunnel on November 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Paleocons are a huge upgrade on the current cast of republican phonies.

Pitchforker on November 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Thank you for trying, Ron Paul. If the deranged ravings of the racist-projectors and amateur military lobbyists is any indication, I can only imagine what was said to you by people with actual power.

I think this is a fitting farewell quote for you:

“It doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. It doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, you plant yourself like a tree beside the River of Truth, and tell the whole world, “No, you move.” ”

—Captain America, QFT.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

What a ridiculously silly thing to say.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

You know, it really is. One of the biggest So-cons I know had a huge fit when I called her out for supporting things like SCHIP and food stamps. She insisted those programs were necessary because they reduced abortions.

Maybe she’s right, I don’t know, but it’s certainly not a fiscally conservative position.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

What a ridiculously silly thing to say.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

It also happens to be true.

The root of our economic problems is not economic at its base. It is social. We are in the economic mess we are in because of the change in our society’s values, morals, and beliefs. It is a culture in which family is unimportant, marriage is redefined, life is disposable for convenience, etc. in which people end up in endless cycles of government dependency.

Economic conservatism is incapable of succeeding in a society that does not have a solid, moral core. Without it, the family break down and people turn to government. Which is exactly what has happened.

Shump on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Social conservatism is an absolute requirement for fiscal conservatism.

sharrukin on November 14, 2012 at 9:04 PM

That has always stuck in my craw to hear a pol say they were Socially Progressive/Liberal, while being fiscally conservative….

Or

Compassionate Conservative.

It is not possible to be fiscally conservative if social agendas are allowed to be advanced, and government will be there to pick up the pieces when people screw up.

That is what worries me with Libertarians and their view on legalizing all drugs.
Because I know that in this government with the parties we have, they will setup programs to help care for people that screw up their lives with drugs.

Regarding Ron Paul.
Very sad to see him go….
It has always amazed me to read sites like this and Red State, and see the absolute venom coming from people on the right towards RP and those who agree with him.
I wonder if the people in the Republican party might would have been a bit more receptive to those that share similar views as RP….then perhaps Mitt might have been able to persuade some to vote for him…..

But oh well…

MityMaxx on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

So did he yet again say that we killed 1,000,000 Iraqis?

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

So your measure of success isn’t someone who says “no” to government and who defends liberty and the Constituiton, but someone who says “yes” to government and has a stack of legislation passed? Your measure of success is more government, not less?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

You really are a bot aren’t you? Did I say anything about a “stack of legislation?” I said “accomplishment to be proud of.” You’re the one who seems to equate that with quantity.

It’s also sort of sad that you forget that Ron Paul chose to be a politician in the government. I always wondered why, if he didn’t believe it was a worthwhile endavour.

Have a nice night, and don’t bother to reply. I’m done for the night so I won’t be back to read it.

Deanna on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

antifederalist on November 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Ever hear of a place called Al Asad?

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

The root of our economic problems is not economic at its base.

Shump on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

The root of our economic problems is entirely economic at its base.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I am am not impressed. Ron Paul is in love with pork and the spotlight, nothing else.

Deanna on November 14, 2012 at 9:10 PM

You obviously have not watched the speech.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM

MityMaxx on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Why not just side with liberty? Personal choice, freedom, and self-determination?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Paleocons are a huge upgrade on the current cast of republican phonies.

Pitchforker on November 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

If I could, I’d even take them and the reluctantly-realistic NeoCons over the pack of clowns and fools that currently make up the GOP.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM

@Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I do…
But I don’t trust our government.

MityMaxx on November 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM

“If authoritarianism leads to poverty and war and less freedom for all individuals and is controlled by rich special interests, the people should be begging for liberty. There certainly was a strong enough sentiment for more freedom at the time of our founding that motivated those who were willing to fight in the revolution against the powerful British government.

During my time in Congress the appetite for liberty has been quite weak; the understanding of its significance negligible. Yet the good news is that compared to 1976 when I first came to Congress, the desire for more freedom and less government in 2012 is much greater and growing, especially in grassroots America. Tens of thousands of teenagers and college age students are, with great enthusiasm, welcoming the message of liberty.

I have a few thoughts as to why the people of a country like ours, once the freest and most prosperous, allowed the conditions to deteriorate to the degree that they have.

Freedom, private property, and enforceable voluntary contracts, generate wealth. In our early history we were very much aware of this. But in the early part of the 20th century our politicians promoted the notion that the tax and monetary systems had to change if we were to involve ourselves in excessive domestic and military spending. That is why Congress gave us the Federal Reserve and the income tax. The majority of Americans and many government officials agreed that sacrificing some liberty was necessary to carry out what some claimed to be “progressive” ideas. Pure democracy became acceptable.

They failed to recognized that what they were doing was exactly opposite of what the colonists were seeking when they broke away from the British.

Some complain that my arguments makes no sense, since great wealth and the standard of living improved for many Americans over the last 100 years, even with these new policies.

But the damage to the market economy, and the currency, has been insidious and steady. It took a long time to consume our wealth, destroy the currency and undermine productivity and get our financial obligations to a point of no return. Confidence sometimes lasts longer than deserved. Most of our wealth today depends on debt.

The wealth that we enjoyed and seemed to be endless, allowed concern for the principle of a free society to be neglected. As long as most people believed the material abundance would last forever, worrying about protecting a competitive productive economy and individual liberty seemed unnecessary.”

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM

If I could, I’d even take them and the reluctantly-realistic NeoCons over the pack of clowns and fools that currently make up the GOP.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM

The neocons currently make up the GOP. You really don’t know anything about neoconservatism, do you?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

The neocons currently make up the GOP.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

If only, they’d be better.

You really don’t know anything about neoconservatism, do you?

Shut up little boy, the adults are speaking. And quit spamming copy-pasted posts that take up a whole screen.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM

You Paulbots scare me almost as much as leftists.

wolly4321 on November 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

If freedom and liberty scares you then you deserve to be scared.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

“Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts many questions:

Why are sick people who use medical marijuana put in prison?

Why does the federal government restrict the drinking of raw milk?

Why can’t Americans manufacturer rope and other products from hemp?

Why are Americans not allowed to use gold and silver as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?

Why is Germany concerned enough to consider repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?

Why do our political leaders believe it’s unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?

Why can’t Americans decide which type of light bulbs they can buy?

Why is the TSA permitted to abuse the rights of any American traveling by air?

Why should there be mandatory sentences—even up to life for crimes without victims—as our drug laws require?

Why have we allowed the federal government to regulate commodes in our homes?

Why is it political suicide for anyone to criticize AIPAC ?

Why haven’t we given up on the drug war since it’s an obvious failure and violates the people’s rights? Has nobody noticed that the authorities can’t even keep drugs out of the prisons? How can making our entire society a prison solve the problem?

Why do we sacrifice so much getting needlessly involved in border disputes and civil strife around the world and ignore the root cause of the most deadly border in the world-the one between Mexico and the US?

Why does Congress willingly give up its prerogatives to the Executive Branch?

Why does changing the party in power never change policy? Could it be that the views of both parties are essentially the same?

Why did the big banks, the large corporations, and foreign banks and foreign central banks get bailed out in 2008 and the middle class lost their jobs and their homes?

Why do so many in the government and the federal officials believe that creating money out of thin air creates wealth?

Why do so many accept the deeply flawed principle that government bureaucrats and politicians can protect us from ourselves without totally destroying the principle of liberty?

Why can’t people understand that war always destroys wealth and liberty?

Why is there so little concern for the Executive Order that gives the President authority to establish a “kill list,” including American citizens, of those targeted for assassination?

Why is patriotism thought to be blind loyalty to the government and the politicians who run it, rather than loyalty to the principles of liberty and support for the people? Real patriotism is a willingness to challenge the government when it’s wrong.

Why is it is claimed that if people won’t or can’t take care of their own needs, that people in government can do it for them?

Why did we ever give the government a safe haven for initiating violence against the people?

Why do some members defend free markets, but not civil liberties?

Why do some members defend civil liberties but not free markets? Aren’t they the same?

Why don’t more defend both economic liberty and personal liberty?

Why are there not more individuals who seek to intellectually influence others to bring about positive changes than those who seek power to force others to obey their commands?

Why does the use of religion to support a social gospel and preemptive wars, both of which requires authoritarians to use violence, or the threat of violence, go unchallenged? Aggression and forced redistribution of wealth has nothing to do with the teachings of the world great religions.

Why do we allow the government and the Federal Reserve to disseminate false information dealing with both economic and foreign policy?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority?

Why should anyone be surprised that Congress has no credibility, since there’s such a disconnect between what politicians say and what they do?

Is there any explanation for all the deception, the unhappiness, the fear of the future, the loss of confidence in our leaders, the distrust, the anger and frustration? Yes there is, and there’s a way to reverse these attitudes. The negative perceptions are logical and a consequence of bad policies bringing about our problems. Identification of the problems and recognizing the cause allow the proper changes to come easy.”

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Right after the speech Ron flew to Afghanistan to dismantle every a/c unit on our military bases.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

So did he yet again say that we killed 1,000,000 Iraqis?

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

He isn’t the only one saying that. If you want to play the credibility card, where the heck are those WMDs, by the way?

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This is a great speech. As usual, I read Hotair comments and see mostly bickering rather than a reaction to the substance of the original article.

Here are some questions Ron Paul asks in the speech:
———————————————————–

Questions

Excessive government has created such a mess it prompts many questions:

Why are sick people who use medical marijuana put in prison?

Why does the federal government restrict the drinking of raw milk?

Why can’t Americans manufacturer rope and other products from hemp?

Why are Americans not allowed to use gold and silver as legal tender as mandated by the Constitution?

Why is Germany concerned enough to consider repatriating their gold held by the FED for her in New York? Is it that the trust in the U.S. and dollar supremacy beginning to wane?

Why do our political leaders believe it’s unnecessary to thoroughly audit our own gold?

Why can’t Americans decide which type of light bulbs they can buy?

Dextrous on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Did Ron actually write that speech or just sign his name at the bottom?

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Well played, sir.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

…that’s why Bishop is always first!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Ron Paul is perhaps the least charismatic politician I’ve seen ever

I’d still take him over Santorum

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I will repeat the question for you as well, ever here of a place called Al Asad?

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You Paulbots scare me almost as much as leftists.

wolly4321 on November 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Oh that’s just hilarious. A few “Paulbots” are as scary to you as anti-liberty, abortion-fanatic liberals? Truly? As scary as professed Marxists in high positions of education and government?

If you’re REALLY equally scared of RP supporters as liberals, you either have no discernment or the IQ of asparagus.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Shut up little boy, the adults are speaking. And quit spamming copy-pasted posts that take up a whole screen.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM

That’s a neocon – all bully, all the time. This is the Trotsyite faction of the party – the “intellectuals” that Kristol brought over. The big government Republicans, who should be sitting in the back of the bus for the damage they’ve done to the party and the country.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Sorry to see you go Mr. Paul, I so wanted to see you dismantle the Federal Reserve.

moonsbreath on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Meant “hear” not “here”

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

…nice of you to recognize yourself!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Dextrous on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

See there, now those are good questions and worthy of straight answers.

Raw milk though, legal or not that stuff is nasty.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

So did he yet again say that we killed 1,000,000 Iraqis?

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Yes, he’s made his share of rhetorical flourishes. But I believe the good far outweighs the bad. I will miss Ron Paul.

Pitchforker on November 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

not just rope

we could save a billion trees by using hemp to make paper…there was a study I think

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Ron Paul is perhaps the least charismatic politician I’ve seen ever

I’d still take him over Santorum

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Seeing as how “charismatic” has become a code word for “promise the lowest-rung plebs free stuff to get votes”, I don’t consider that much of a negative. Good Lord, just look at where the Most Charismatic President EVAH has gotten our nation!

But you’re right about Santorum. The media wouldn’t have even had to make stuff up to eat him alive.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I will repeat the question for you as well, ever here of a place called Al Asad?

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Sure. But it’s not located in one of the 50 states, now is it?

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Sorry to see you go Mr. Paul, I so wanted to see you dismantle the Federal Reserve.

moonsbreath on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

…wanted to see Romney win…and make him in charge of the FR…yeah he was good for something…that would have been a dream!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

we could save a billion trees by using hemp to make paper…there was a study I think

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Think of it, rolling paper stuffed with….rolling paper.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

That’s a neocon – all bully, all the time.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM


You’ve never faced a “neocon bully”, spoiled little girl
. Nevermind an entire thread’s worth of angry NeoCons on your lonesome, not counting the idiot troll who showed up.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Ever hear of a place called Al Asad?

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Sure. Why?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

yes

Charisma means ‘talking about binders’ and handing out phones

keep Obama in president

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Stop plagiarizing other peoples work, you dishonest hack.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Stop plagiarizing other peoples work, you dishonest hack.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Your right it isn’t and part of my life was spent there, a part I will never get back, but it doesn’t change what I saw while I was there, which is what you were claiming didn’t exist in Iraq. I don’t mind your stance, I really don’t, nor Antifederalist’s for that matter, but don’t repeat a falsehood based off the meme that is presented by a media that has no vested interest in telling the truth.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

You’ve never faced a “neocon bully”, spoiled little girl. Nevermind an entire thread’s worth of angry NeoCons on your lonesome, not counting the idiot troll who showed up.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Thanks for proving my point!

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Stop plagiarizing other peoples work, you dishonest hack.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Besides, the speaker said, If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.

You don’t know much about libertarianism and the market of ideas, do you?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Yeah, he needed something stronger to describe you.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Your right it isn’t and part of my life was spent there, a part I will never get back, but it doesn’t change what I saw while I was there, which is what you were claiming didn’t exist in Iraq. I don’t mind your stance, I really don’t, nor Antifederalist’s for that matter, but don’t repeat a falsehood based off the meme that is presented by a media that has no vested interest in telling the truth.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

So you were the only person who found WMDs hidden in Iraq? How nice for you!

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Thanks for proving that I’m stupid as well as spoiled!

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

FTFY.

Go somewhere more your intellectual level, sleeper-cell troll.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Your right it isn’t and part of my life was spent there, a part I will never get back, but it doesn’t change what I saw while I was there, which is what you were claiming didn’t exist in Iraq. I don’t mind your stance, I really don’t, nor Antifederalist’s for that matter, but don’t repeat a falsehood based off the meme that is presented by a media that has no vested interest in telling the truth.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

The entire war was a lie.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM

How’s this, stop stealing other peoples work, copying and pasting here as spam and passing it off as if it was yours, you moron.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I keep getting told I didn’t see what I saw there, not sure how that works, I spent quite a bit of time there, but ok, and two posters kept saying that Ron Paul was right that WMD didn’t exist in Iraq. That is why I asked the question, to both.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

How’s this, stop stealing other peoples work, copying and pasting here as spam and passing it off as if it was yours, you moron.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

You’re once again using a word that doesn’t mean what you think it means.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

You know, I tried giving an audience to Paulbots when I was barely political on the Internet back in the day and couldn’t even tell the difference between a Neo-Con, a Paleo-Con or a Libertarian. Not back then, even though I had a basic understanding of civics.

At first, It wasn’t that some of what the Paulbots were saying wasn’t true or that I couldn’t agree with some of it, but the fact that I believed in a strong national defense and that I supported the response of our government after 9-11, got me nothing but hate and derision.

They didn’t take time to get to know me personally or try to intelligently persuade me. No. They attacked me. They brow-beat me, disrespected me, condescended to me and called me names like ‘Repuke’ and ‘Neo-Con’ and many of them incessantly pushed truther propaganda on me.

I have a thick skin, don’t get me wrong, but what kind of impression was I supposed to be left with after running into them on the internet?

That’s why I don’t like them and won’t listen to them. They don’t have any tolerance for others or for alternative points of view and they come off as nuttier than fruitcakes.

After a while, that’s probably why I ended up here at hotair. The tolerance level and sanity level is way better here than most conservative sites. I used to be a Freeper, but those guys got teh crazy after awhile too.

Corporal Tunnel on November 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

FTFY.

Go somewhere more your intellectual level, sleeper-cell troll.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Is this what passes for intelligent discourse in your circle? You might want to get a refund from that finishing school, Ms Melons.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Besides, the speaker said, If you find this to be a worthwhile message, spread it throughout the land.

You don’t know much about libertarianism and the market of ideas, do you?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I’ll spread it out in the horse manure pile in the back of my stables.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

This thread is feelin’ the love.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

I keep getting told I didn’t see what I saw there, not sure how that works, I spent quite a bit of time there, but ok, and two posters kept saying that Ron Paul was right that WMD didn’t exist in Iraq. That is why I asked the question, to both.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Even former president Bush said there were no WMDs in Iraq. If you’re talking about the stash that the UN left behind, that was hardly a discovery since they were ours, and all sources said the same thing – Saddam hadn’t touched them since we pulled out.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Even former president Bush said there were no WMDs in Iraq. If you’re talking about the stash that the UN left behind, that was hardly a discovery since they were ours, and all sources said the same thing – Saddam hadn’t touched them since we pulled out.

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

It doesn’t matter. The whole thing was a lie. We invaded a country that didn’t attack us, and all for oil. End of story.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

If they smoke weed they’re not just like me. They are stuck on teenage. Utopianism with a different bent.

wolly4321 on November 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM

It’s very obvious that you are a very intolerant person, it’s no wonder you don’t like what Ron Paul had to say, assuming you even watched the speech.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

This thread is feelin’ the love.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Between Duncte the intellectual spam-troll and his little sister angelatin, it’s a regular love-fest.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Herr Doktor

Rogue on November 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Are you some sort of Nazi? What are you talking about?

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Not the only one, there are others here that did as well.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Not a lie, sold to the public using the wrong sales pitch maybe, but its hard to explain to the masses about macro level strategies, couple that with mistakes made implementing those on several levels and someone who views things at a micro level and you get what you got.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I’ll spread it out in the horse manure pile in the back of my stables.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

It’s possible I have you confused for someone else, but I thought I saw on another thread that you are a naturalized citizen. If so, then what is it about liberty and the promise of America that you despise so much that spurred you became a citizen? Are you just looking for a handout? Is that why Paul offends you so much?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

He isn’t the only one saying that. If you want to play the credibility card, where the heck are those WMDs, by the way?

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Try Belorus, in a deal for oil exchange. The journalist who uncovered that paid with his life soon after.

Too bad our news media are so stupid in their zeal to paint Bush Jr. as villain. Not that idiots like you don’t help them with that.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Are you some sort of Nazi? What are you talking about?

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

In case you’re not kidding, “Herr Doktor” is a NeoCon slur for Ron Paul.

I won’t go into the various ‘reasons’ for it right now, except it makes them feel re so godd@mned smart and superior. What it really does is reveal them to be nasty little toads who’ve never seen a Nazi outside of a cartoon or an old war movie.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Communist Lite brigade is at it again, I see.

Don’t worry, now that your racist, anti-semitic cult leader gets so much free time on his hands your obligatory newsletters spouting hatred for colored and Joos will show up in your mail box on a regular basis. For a low monthly fee, so that even your low IQ brains could be entertained for hours.

Sig Heil, Herr Doktor!

Good riddance for this sorry excuse for a human being.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

angelat0763 on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Unfortunately not a stash the UN knew about, but the numbers that were there don’t sell well for headlines, trust me I am not stupid, I get where everyone goes with this, but every time I see someone say that I have to rebut, because it isn’t the truth.

MarshFox on November 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

. If so, then what is it about liberty and the promise of America that you despise so much that spurred you became a citizen? Are you just looking for a handout? Is that why Paul offends you so much?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, you have seen me say I despise this country. I came with the shirt on my back, a change of clothes, my books and my tools. I take nothing from this Government.

Ron Paul’s stance on Israel is offensive. Period the end.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Ron Paul is the biggest Neocon of them all. A liberal idealist who thinks Utopia is possible if we just play nice with the world. But he moved to the Right because he believes he knows “liberty” better than true conservatives and loves the free market.

MrX on November 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Dante isn’t a troll, and he is one of the few here who don’t get personal when confronted, like calling someone a “simpering biotch”.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Good riddance to Herr Doktor AND his Jooo-hating, 9/11 truther tongue-bathers!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2012 at 10:42 PM

That being said, he and I disagree on the merits of good, quality fencing.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I won’t go into the various ‘reasons’ for it right now, except it makes them feel re so godd@mned smart and superior. What it really does is reveal them to be nasty little toads who’ve never seen a Nazi outside of a cartoon or an old war movie.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Having members of the family exterminated by Nazis in Babiy Yar any openly anti-semitic idiot deserves the title of Herr Doktor. RP as a prime example, fater decades of spouting racist, anti-semitic hatred in his newsletters and elsewhere.

How many of you idiots voted for Hussein last week? Thousands here in NV, I am sure you idiots likewise in other states.

Don’t preach to me.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

In case you’re not kidding, “Herr Doktor” is a NeoCon slur for Ron Paul.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

No wonder they lost the election! I thought it was probably something like that but it was actually Rogue that sounds like the Nazi, the way s/he talks.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I also lost family @ Babi Yar.
Great rant, my fellow patriot.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

…that’s why Bishop is always first!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Even when he’s not.

Look for the union label

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

riddickless on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Congratulations! You’ve just demonstrated to the entire forum why Godwin’s Law exists.

And that reason is so inbred bucktoothed idiots like yourself can be called out with ease when you fail to come up with something vaguely resembling an argument.

You see, when you merely parrot “durr-hurr he’s an evul not-zee” drivel you’re spoonfed from whatever racist toad you listen to on the radio, it pretty well shows how much you suck. Especially since you’re more likely to have seen Bigfoot than an actual Nazi.

I do hope you enjoy the nation being flushed down the toilet by someone who’s far more a threat to your near-nonexistent prosperity than Ron Paul could ever possibly be.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I also lost family @ Babi Yar.
Great rant, my fellow patriot.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

And yet we are asked why is it that Herr Doktor deserves the title.

Blind useful idiots, nothing but. Voted for Hussein, WITH GLEE, last week and were more than happy to say so in local papers.

Nothing but communist lite, the entire bunch.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I do hope you enjoy the nation being flushed down the toilet by someone who’s far more a threat to your near-nonexistent prosperity than Ron Paul could ever possibly be.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

You idiot are the ones who helped to flush the entire country down the toilet last week. Pay attention to what I posted, how thousands of you lobotomized useful idiots VOTED FRO HUSSEIN last week.

Now go say Sig Heil to your cult leader, Herr Doktor, you anti-semitic scum.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

I have a couple questions for you guys and I’d really appreciate an honest response.

Who is a better defender of the Constitution than Ron Paul? Who had a better voting record (votes based strictly on their Constitutionality) than Ron Paul? Who would be better at defending against the usurpation of power by the Federal Government than Ron Paul? Who places the Constitution in a higher regard than Ron Paul?

dom89031 on November 14, 2012 at 10:53 PM

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

If you and Rogue are representative of the 2012 Republican Party then you should build an alter to Mitt Romney because it’s all down hill for you from here.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Wow, another dimwit…

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

You idiot are the ones who helped to flush the entire country down the toilet last week. Pay attention to what I posted, how thousands of you lobotomized useful idiots VOTED FRO HUSSEIN last week.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

I suppose you’ve missed how much I’ve said over the past year how much I HATE OBAMA, and my repeated admissions that Romney was the only real choice since the right-wing couldn’t comprehend a third part.

Now go say Sig Heil to your cult leader, Herr Doktor, you anti-semitic scum.

I’d rather say your mother should have left you at the zoo, wingnut racist-projection chickenhawk, preferably to your hideous excuse for a face. Say hi to your fat old buddies at the next KKK meeting for me.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:55 PM

If you and Rogue are representative of the 2012 Republican Party then you should build an alter to Mitt Romney because it’s all down hill for you from here.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Idiots come out in force tonight. Do you even have any idea of my views of Romney? You are as misinformed as your racist and anti-semitic cult leader, Herr Doktor. Did you just crawl from under the rock?

Don’t bother answering, that last one was a rhetorical question, not that you’d know the difference.

Lobotomy would be a huge improvement for Herr Doktor brigades.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

If you and Rogue are representative of the 2012 Republican Party then you should build an alter to Mitt Romney because it’s all down hill for you from here.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

And I’ll bet you a silver dollar they whine like little babies when someone paints them as racist hicks with the IQ of celery.

And do you know what’s REALLY sad? They’re being replaced by a voting demographic that is even worse.

They may be idiots who wouldn’t know a Nazi if one came up and hit them in the mouth, but they don’t have multiple illegitimate children or stick up stores for drug money or do nothing but scam the welfare system.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Lobotomy would be a huge improvement for Herr Doktor brigades.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

The difference between you and a liberal is that a liberal can have a lobotomy, because they have more than half a brain to start with.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM

A final word to riddickless before I hit the hay:

Since Romney lost and Ron Paul is out, who’s your golden boy/girl for 2012 and what’s your Grand Plan?

If it’s just “let everything burn”, I’ll accept that too, because I am not averse to the idea that the nation needs to learn fiscal reality the hard way.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

2012 = 2016. Dang muscle memory.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Now that Herr Doktor is out of public eye I really hope we get rid of this idiot crowd on HA. Have no idea how anyone with a brain can ever like someone so radical in his racist and anti-semitic views. Unless the views are shared.

Too bad they helped Hussein win last week, their gleeful letters in local papers made it clear, finally, what the idiots stand for. Same values as their leaders: Hussein and Herr Doktor. Not that I won’t bet they will vote D again in 2016 and beyond.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Do you even have any idea of my views of Romney?

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

It doesn’t matter. If you are representative of the Republican Party then the Republican Party is over. Decades from now Romney will be the last time you almost won the presidency, so build an alter to him now and get a head start.

CurpliTium on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Most of his ideas are dead on. The rest are for the hating nuts.

He better have a talk with his son on amnesty.

Schadenfreude on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

He better have a talk with his son on amnesty.

Schadenfreude on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

You’re kidding. right? Herr Doktor is for open borders. Wide open borders.

riddick on November 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

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