Romney to donors: Obama won because of “gifts” he gave to his base

posted at 9:43 pm on November 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

He told Hannity in early October that his “47 percent” comments were “completely wrong” but he doesn’t sound convinced of that here. Not exactly makers-versus-takers, but close:

In a conference call on Wednesday afternoon with his national finance committee, Mr. Romney said that the president had followed the “old playbook” of wooing specific interest groups — “especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people,” Mr. Romney explained — with targeted gifts and initiatives.

“In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr. Romney said.

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest, was a big gift,” he said. “Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008.”

The president’s health care plan, he added, was also a useful tool in mobilizing African-American and Hispanic voters.

He went on to mention Obama’s decision to unilaterally impose a de facto DREAM safe harbor for young illegals. And don’t forget O’s “evolution” on gay marriage, which coincidentally came right around the time his campaign was shifting away from trying to win independents and towards maximizing turnout among his base, i.e. young voters. The question, though, isn’t whether O is guilty of “clientelism,” to borrow Jay Cost’s phrase, it’s whether clientelism was decisive. What say you, Bobby Jindal?

Asked about Romney’s comments at a meeting of the Republican Governors Association at the Encore Hotel here in Las Vegas, Jindal did not hold back. “That is absolutely wrong,” Jindal said. “Two points on that. One, we have got to stop dividing American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent — we need to go after every single vote. And second, we need to continue to show that our policies help every voter out there achieve the American dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children the opportunity to get a great education, which is for their children to have even better-paying jobs than their parents.”

“So I absolutely reject that notion, that description,” Jindal continued. I think it’s absolutely wrong. I don’t think that represents where we are as a party and where we’re going as a party. And that has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election. If we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly. One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream, period. No exceptions.”

That’s the sound of a man who’s running in 2016 and who has a better ear than Mitt Romney for how to talk to middle-class voters. If you buy the makers-versus-takers clientelism explanation, the GOP really might as well not field candidates in national elections going forward. In an age of fiscal crisis, it’ll never keep deficit hawks in the party fold by trying to out-”gift” Democrats; either the party will fracture or the crisis will hit and there won’t be any money for “gifts” anyway. There are three big reasons why Romney lost, I think, and none of them are about gifts. First, people just … didn’t like him that much. His favorable numbers improved towards the end after the Denver debate, but at best he was at rough parity with Obama. Not a good place to be with a vulnerable incumbent. More from Andrew Kohut at Pew:

Here is what the exit poll found. Mr. Romney’s personal image took a hard hit during the primary campaign and remained weak on election day. Just 47% of exit-poll respondents viewed him favorably, compared with 53% for Mr. Obama. Throughout the campaign, Mr. Romney’s favorable ratings were among the lowest recorded for a presidential candidate in the modern era. A persistent problem was doubt about his empathy with the average voter. By 53% to 43%, exit-poll respondents said that Mr. Obama was more in touch than Mr. Romney with people like themselves…

Mr. Romney was hurt by the perception—reinforced by Democratic attack ads and his secretly recorded comments about the “47%”—that he wasn’t for the average voter. With 55% of voters in the exit poll saying they think the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy, a large majority believed that Mr. Obama’s policies favor the middle class (44%) or the poor (31%). By contrast, 53% thought Mr. Romney’s policies would favor the rich.

Second, he got out-organized — badly. We’ve been over this already to some extent in wallowing over how ORCA failed and how Romney’s pollsters misread the electorate, but that’s the tip of the iceberg. Every day for the past week, some dispiriting new news story has appeared describing how Obama’s campaign team was doing something smarter or cheaper or more efficiently(!) than Mitt’s team. Here’s a NYT piece about Team O developing its own data-driven TV ratings system based on political leanings (“the Optimizer”) so that it could make more targeted ad buys. Here’s one about Team O hiring a “dream team” of behavioral scientists to help them figure out little things they could do that might encourage irregular voters to actually go down to the polling place. (Yes, it’s a little creepy.) Here’s one about Obama’s Super PAC using online media to maximize the number of views its videos got at a fraction of the cost Republican groups incurred to air their stuff on traditional media. I almost prefer to think that the election result was a demographic fait accompli because that hurts less than thinking Team Mitt and conservative groups might have left a winning margin out on the field simply because they didn’t know how to leverage it into turnout.

Third, I’m echoing other conservative writers in saying this — Ramesh Ponnuru, Ross Douthat, and Reihan Salam, for starters — but the GOP needs a more dynamic pitch to working families, a.k.a. the middle class. That’s what Jindal’s rejection of Romney is all about. “Class” talk tends to make righties nervous for good reason; coming from the left, it’s almost always a prelude to calls for redistribution. But it’s a useful way to define people whose lives are consumed with familiar problems of everyday life — work, pay, debt, tuition, gas prices. Address those basic concerns and they’ll pay attention. Besides, if the GOP is doomed under normal demographic metrics like race and gender, then it urgently needs to try to reshape how voters define themselves. Emphasize the middle class and you can compete across demographics that might otherwise view you coolly. This is all basic stuff, I know, but those numbers in Kohut’s piece means it’s not basic enough. More from Ponnuru:

The Republican story about how societies prosper — not just the Romney story — dwelt on the heroic entrepreneur stifled by taxes and regulations: an important story with which most people do not identify. The ordinary person does not see himself as a great innovator. He, or she, is trying to make a living and support or maybe start a family. A conservative reform of our health-care system and tax code, among other institutions, might help with these goals. About this person, however, Republicans have had little to say…

The perception that the Republican party serves the interests only of the rich underlies all the demographic weaknesses that get discussed in narrower terms. Hispanics do not vote for the Democrats solely because of immigration. Many of them are poor and lack health insurance, and they hear nothing from the Republicans but a lot from the Democrats about bettering their situation. Young people, too, are economically insecure, especially these days. If Republicans found a way to apply conservative principles in ways that offered tangible benefits to most voters and then talked about this agenda in those terms, they would improve their standing among all of these groups while also increasing their appeal to white working-class voters. For that matter, higher-income voters would prefer candidates who seem practical and solution-oriented. Better “communications skills,” that perennial item on the wish list of losing parties, will achieve little if the party does not have an appealing agenda to communicate.

He goes on to note that, for all his alleged unpopularity, Romney still ran ahead of lots of other Republicans down ballot in various states. Poor perceptions of the party can’t all be blamed on him, in other words, even if the rhetoric about “gifts” isn’t doing would-be nominees like Jindal any favors for 2016. But like I say: If that’s our working theory, that there’s no way back to power without buying off constituencies, then what exactly is the path back? How do you win an election again under those circumstances? Or have people just given up?

Update: Oh, and in case anyone’s inclined to beat up on Jindal for what he said, rest assured that someone will be running on a platform of middle-class outreach in 2016 and whoever does is bound to be competitive. Huckabee, who talks about this endlessly, might very well have been competitive this year with Romney if he’d run; Santorum ran partly on that message instead and got further than anyone thought. If anyone’s going to surf to the nomination four years from now by championing the middle-class, I’d much rather it be Jindal or Paul Ryan.


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So no more “Rubio 2016″ around these parts?

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I sure hope so.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Romney’s opinions about politics — as a bitter loser who spent a billion dollars to lose a winnable race — are suspect, at best.

Good to see him playing to type, though. The privileged jerk who, when he loses, yet again, points the finger at everybody but himself. Confirms my worst suspicions.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Obama ran out the clock and Romney ran out of time to close the deal. If you believe the polls, then Romney was ahead before Sandy, Christie, Springsteen etc.

Romney was competitive on money and earned newspaper endorsements that are unheard of. In NY, Romney got the NY Post, the Daily News and Newsday. Obama only got NY Times – which is a given. Trouble is no one heard about it because of the storm.

It takes a long time and a different avenue to reach the low information voter. Somehow, Romney managed to reach Lindsay Lohan. In the last weeks of the campaign, Obama went on TV shows…Letterman (didn’t know the debt) Stewart (not optimal) View (eye candy!). I’m not saying Romney needed to “slow-jam” the news, but he and Ryan could have been very educational in these settings.

monalisa on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

davidk on November 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

My father drove school bus for 26 years. Loved it. They should get hazard pay =)

But I’m not talking about the larger companies who employ full time employment. The Lib youth think if 100 full time jobs are broken up into 200 part time jobs, it’s a great thing! They like the “flexible” hours of part time work. So they can play more.

It’s insanity.

portlandon on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Let me get this straight, in his 47% and this statement Romney comes closer then any major Republican figure ever has in recognizing and somewhat stating the this country is now a leftist/socialist nation, and he’s the bad guy?
Jindal is under the delusion that the GOP can win the Presidency and he’s just the man to do it. If he believes that after the ass whupping we just got, he shouldn’t be running for President, he should be in the looney bin.

lowandslow on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Umm.. Remember Bobby Jindal’s speech in 2009. He cannot give a speech worth his life. Will he run a campaign based on pity from his cringe worthy convention speech? Rubio will be running on nothing and will probably win on being vapid and content free. There is no way Santorum wins because he is a scold who wants to look into people’s bedroom and yell at women for not being in the kitchen. Chuckles is a media caricture and not a real person. Paul Ryan is of course the bestest candidate.

As for how the Rs play class warfare, I think that they target upper middle class professionals and point out how they are obtaining welfare benefits. One thing that annoys me is the misuse of food stamps. There are quite a few Northwestern students that get them. What annoys me is that they generally will pay for booze with cash after using the Snap card for their food. So it isn’t that they’re dirt poor, it’s just that buying food cuts into their beer allowance. Ditto with colleges. Why are we paying for people’s Harvard degrees? No working class kid is going to get into Harvard based on not going to the right school or having the right connections. Why not point these things out..m’kay? Do class warfare but make “white people” the problem?

Illinidiva on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Nobody reads anything I write do they? :D

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM


Good to see him playing to type, though. The privileged jerk who, when he loses, yet again, points the finger at everybody but himself. Confirms my worst suspicions.

Yes, Romney is a man possessed of all the character of a rapidly deflating cartoon balloon. Hey, but, perversely, Romney’s graceless clown-act is helping me get over the historic loss to our party because of Romney’s … graceless clown-act … wait, that’s circular, kind of like the arguments for a Romney nomination …

casuist on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

You know why we lose? Just look around. We are the most cannibalistic groups I’ve ever seen. Our primary process so vicious that the left doesn’t even have to work. Mitt is a good man. He lost, fine. You can’t cure stupid and the US is ate up with it.

TXMomof3 on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I think Romney should have held talks at Colleges. Invite in the loons. Tell them that all the goodies they get up front will hurt them when they have a mortgage, children, other priorities 5 or 10 years down the road. Explain to them that the way of the BUM will destroy them.

That college kid who asked the question during the debate was a perfect chance to do this. Instead Romney went on some tangent ending with teachers.

portlandon on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

“To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage?”

There’s nothing he could have done, something that he’s starting to finally realize.

lowandslow on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Times are tough right now..
There is no “killer Ap” making its way onto the scene that will create jobs..
People have to look for Government for bailouts..
That’s as far as the thought process goes for 52%er..

Romney’s message was…
We don’t need no “Killer Ap”…
Lets just create an environment that the “Killer Ap” could be born from.

The voters decided not to take that risk..

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

What was missing? His failure to go after Obama on Benghazi. He could have blown the story out of the water but chose to play it. Big mistake.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

The first part is flatly untrue. The second? Probably, barring an outright miracle.

MelonCollie on November 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Yea.. All those give aways to blacks and Latinos in

WI, IA, MN, ME,VT, MA, RI, CT and OH really did Mitt in!

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

When you give the opposition five years to see you coming, they can wargame to a T exactly how to beat you. This is what happened to Romney, let’s face it.

Sekhmet on November 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Yes Allah, the takers will out vote the makers. They already have, the scales have been forever tipped in their favor.

The three biggest enemies of Republicans are:

The stupid masses
The MSM
Republicans

fogw on November 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

WI, IA, MN, ME,VT, MA, RI, CT and OH really did Mitt in!

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Have you looked at the demographics of the big cities in Ohio? I guess not.

TXMomof3 on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Well let me just ask it by itself:

What incentive to Democrats have to fix unemployment, reliance on food stamps, and the inner city?

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Paul Ryan is of course the bestest candidate.

Illinidiva on November 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Almost every candidate to ever run or win election was able to win their home state or region.

Romney could not deliver Michigan or Massachusetts, or the Northeast.

Ryan could not deliver Wisconsin or any of the upper midwest states.

Ryan is good in congress. He is good for his small district. But he can’t even win state wide office in Wisconsin.

He is best to be left in Congress, where he is useful and pray he gets to be House Speaker.

portlandon on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Yea.. All those give aways to blacks and Latinos in

WI, IA, MN, ME,VT, MA, RI, CT and OH really did Mitt in!

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Ohio? Yes.

You missed the young voters in WI and IA who were promised the moon. Forgive college debt? Bro, that’s awesome. I can get the new IPhone7 in various colors!

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I see it as 50/50. At the state the country is in currently…the only way to turn it around is to spend way less and reform entitlements. Democrats will never do this and we’ll be slandered for bringing it up in a campaign…so the simplest strategy would to not even mention it and maybe we could win, but what would be the point? None of it matters unless we actually do serious and big things.

Romney was behind the 8 ball in most ways. Going against a $1 billion dollar campaign featuring a “Historical” President who the media would probably literally die for to protect…that’s hard to beat rationally speaking.

He defied odds imo and gave himself an actual chance with his great performance in the 1st debate but then after that he had some bad luck with the storm and more importantly made the mistake the GOP has been making for 20+ years and didn’t drive the stake through O’s campaign and the media’s heart. Although to be fair imo succesfully combating the media’s bias in a way that switches moderates to our “racist/sexist” party will take longer than 3 weeks.

jaygatz33 on November 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Argh, same type twice. “do” not “to”

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

I believe that the takers will simply always outvote the makers from now on.
Why would the takers vote for the guy who will make them work , when they can get $ 40-50 K a year just for breathing and breeding ?

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

points the finger at everybody but himself. Confirms my worst suspicions.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

…starting to get suspicious of JugEars after four long years…finally!…Einstien?

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Just move on. I’m not going to beat up on Mitt Romney. He was the best of what we had. He campaigned tirelessly, he spoke clearly on economic issues. His message was upbeat and optimistic. His first debate was phenomenal. His selection of Paul Ryan was inspired. He attacked Mediscare head on. Let the man retire in peace.

SAZMD on November 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Why are republicans fighting Obeyme’s agenda? I say we let him go full on marxist. Let him raise taxes as high as he wants. Let his epa suffocate energy. Let his regulators destroy business. the last 4 yrs of economic destruction didn’t convince the electorate that liberalism doesn’t work. we need to let it run its course and warn the public that obama and dems own the results. Only then hopefully enough idiots will realize liberalism’s failure and vote in a conservative. If repubs block the lefts agenda, they will again be blamed for the failure. Bring on the temporary demise of the country so conservative leaders can have a chance to bring back prosperity from obama smoldering ruins

phillysfinest on November 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM

It’s hidden but a fact that can be dug out: Many many christians did not vote for Romney. Many of those did not vote for Obama either and some report they just did not vote at all for the top of the ticket. A picture of this can be seen on the discussions and comments on Christian Post.

nueces on November 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM

TXMomof3 on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

…thank You!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

No, actually the last thing conservatives need is a bunch of Romney pimps telling them how they can REALLY win next time.

ddrintn on November 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Romney was not my first or second choice. Palin didn’t run, Cain dropped out. Unfortunately, the ABRs didn’t come up with a good candidate. I turned to Romney when Gingrich started his class warfare attack against him. That’s something I really despise.

Gelsomina on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

AP As I just mentioned, the best way is the point out that many of the “gifts” are going to upper middle class liberals in tony suburbs. There was this story about how hipsters are signing up for food stamps and using them to buy organic food. I’ve experienced it first hand in Evanston. I’m sure that the guy whose hours has been reduced at the plant would be happy that a benefit that he’d never use is being abused by artists in NY. Why not point out the fact that the upper middle class kids are whining about the fact that they cannot pay for their Harvard degrees and are demanding a bailout when working class Joe’s kids could never dream about going to a tony private college and are lucky to get into State? Really divide the working class guys from Obama’s vapid “white people” base and make the Dems eat each other.

Illinidiva on November 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I live in Ohio, know the state upside down.

Even with high AA turnout in Cleveland, Columbus and Cincy, Ohio is still a < 15% minority vote state, very small.

http://mobile.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/analysis-tracking-the-growth-of-the-minority-voter-share-by-state-20121112.

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Let’s not forget that most of the ‘takers’ are those tea party senior types, leeching away the annual budget with their social security and medicaid payments to no end.

Food stamps amount to $75 bil, not a consequential amount compared to senior entitlements.

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

The GOP had far too many primary debates, which did little other than provide fodder for the Democrats and the liberal media.

The “War on Women” theme was launched by George Stephanopolous (in conjunction with the White House and/or the Obama Campaign) at the New Hampshire GOP primary debate.

If the GOP is dumb enough to allow Stephanopolous to moderate a GOP primary debate, it deserves to lose.

bw222 on November 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Well let me just ask it by itself:

What incentive do Democrats have to fix unemployment, reliance on food stamps, and the inner city?

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

If they put political power first, none of course. Fixing all of those things would create some Republican voters.

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2012 at 10:47 PM

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

There are more people on Medicaid than Medicare.

bw222 on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Is the trollcot still on ?

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Your boy blamed Bush again today, 4 years on and STILL it’s all someone else’s fault.

Barky takes responsibility for nothing…except killing Bin Laden.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Even with high AA turnout in Cleveland, Columbus and Cincy, Ohio is still a < 15% minority vote state, very small.

Yet the black electorate went from 11% to 15% 2008 vs. 2012, of course, that’s more to do with whites staying home.

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM

unfreakingreal

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FlatFoot on November 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Obama ran out the clock and Romney ran out of time to close the deal. If you believe the polls, then Romney was ahead before Sandy, Christie, Springsteen etc.

You’re still suffering from the pre-election Kool-aid effect. Most of the polls were simply wrong. Romney was never actually winning, although he did benefit from a short-lived bump in the polls after the first debate. But that bump never amounted to a real trend that would have led to winning the election.

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

To simplify what we need assuming we still have a chance:

We need a hell of a lot more Lee Atwaters and no Mike Murphy/Kevin Madden types! And I don’t just mean campaign guys, I’m talking about pundits, politicians and us as voices of the Conservative movement.

jaygatz33 on November 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Romney won big with voters who own a home.

Obama won big with voters who live in dorms and crack houses.

kevinkristy on November 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Clarification, AA turnout in OH was actually right at 15% so my previous post should say < 16%

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

If they put political power first, none of course. Fixing all of those things would create some Republican voters.

Exactly. Why can’t we (or the RNC) fashion that argument into a weapon? It sounds better than just dismissing or blaming x%.

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Barky takes responsibility for nothing…except killing Bin Laden.

Bishop on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And then shrugs off responsibility for all the little Bin Ladens that emerged.

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

portlondon Who exactly do you suggest then? Because Sarah Palin doesn’t fly with indies.. She’s toxic. M’kay sorry. Rubio is completely vapid. Seriously, I expect more than Obama’s vague talking points in Spanish. Ryan is at least substantive and hot. I think that Ryan would have won WI if he was the candidate.

Illinidiva on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM

You know why we lose? Just look around. We are the most cannibalistic groups I’ve ever seen. Our primary process so vicious that the left doesn’t even have to work. Mitt is a good man. He lost, fine. You can’t cure stupid and the US is ate up with it.

TXMomof3 on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

True

Eren on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Obama won big with voters who live in dorms and crack houses.

kevinkristy on November 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Not too mention convicted rapists and murderers.

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Is the trollcot still on ?

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

…whenever anyone designates it so!…and what dizzbag!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Food stamps amount to $75 bil, not a consequential amount compared to senior entitlements.

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I’m certain a ghoulish fascist like yourself has a final solution for that.

tom daschle concerned on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

If the same Mitt in the first debate had shown up at the last two he might have had a chance…I’m not sure.

I think Mitt’s wealth hurt him terribly in rural areas with work a day people. The legacy media’s steady drumbeat was a great voter suppression tool. I’m talking about people who get their news, what little they get, from NBC,CBS, ABC and local papers who cut and paste Associated Press and Reuters. They didn’t really want to vote for either candidate. Many didn’t. They didn’t think this was the most important election of our lives…

d1carter on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Food stamps amount to $75 bil, not a consequential amount compared to senior entitlements.

Votes can be bought with a fifth of whiskey too. It doesn’t need to be a large amount.

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I’m certain a ghoulish fascist like yourself has a final solution for that.

tom daschle concerned on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

…(yes…the usual!…chewing hay…and continual braying!)

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Votes can be bought with a fifth of whiskey too. It doesn’t need to be a large amount.

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Or a Obamaphone.

Actually, somebody call the Obamaphone”lady” and tell her that Obama is cutting her food stamps next year by $50.

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Yes. Yes, I do believe that. And soon there will be a lot fewer makers, if 0bama gets his 1.3 trillion in new “revenue.”

cynccook on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Yet the black electorate went from 11% to 15% 2008 vs. 2012, of course, that’s more to do with whites staying home.

sentinelrules on November 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM

That is correct, Ohio was 1 of 2 battleground states with decreased turnout vs. 2008. 7 were up, 1 even, 2 down.

My larger point, Romney is making excuses. He had FL, VA possibly in grasp but misread the data so bad he went to PA…..PA and lost 2 states he very possibly could have won. Poor execution

NextGen on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Food stamps amount to $75 bil, not a consequential amount compared to senior entitlements.

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

If you’re going to compare senior benefits to what lifelong parasites receive, you need to add in food stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid, Obama Phones and all the other entitlements the “poor” receive.

But that would be honest – something you are not.

bw222 on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Hey! I agree with Panetta: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/14/Panetta-The-Cuts-Must-Come-From-Entitlements

davidk on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

To the democratics though, ‘entitlements’ means anything, nothing, and everything. Axleshaft last week labeled the mortgage interest tax deduction as an entitlement. To the democratics, the difference between the existing top tax rate and what they want the top tax rate to be is ‘an entitlement for the rich’. They break the language on purpose.

We should play the game too. Let’s call the Hollywood subsidies ‘entitlements for the rich’. Let’s call the PBS subsidies for guys like Bill Moyers ‘entitlements for the rich’.

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

We could also be the party of “gifts”. Instead of redistribution from rich to poor, we could be the party that redistributes from Washington to America. (Who said he wanted to make Washington inconsequential in your life?)

Take the Department of Educations budget and convert it to Education Savings Account that people really own. Let the Democrats say that the money is better spent in Washington.

Take the 2% payroll tax holiday extension and let young people opt-in to convert it to a personal IRA. Let the democrats argue against that.

Obamacare… Romney started to talk about how Medicare patients would lose their doctors but it wasn’t enough. With 38 million+ people added to the system, it would be like saying everyone from Canada could come here tomorrow for their healthcare. So what if you can stay on your parents policy? There won’t be a doctor to see you.

monalisa on November 14, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Another “gift” that no one seems to mention much was the QE3…

FEDERAL Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke last week did what the markets had been waiting for. He announced that the US central bank would be rolling out another round of its controversial quantitative easing program (QE3). The Fed will commit to monthly asset purchases of $40bn (£ 24bn) until a substantial improvement is seen in the US labour market. This move effectively paves the way for an open-ended asset purchase programme, with no horizon in either time or amount.

The move had all of the anticipated effects on the market in the short term. Risk assets were boosted – assets jumped and commodities posted multi-month highs. But while short-term market exuberance was not unwanted, it was not the aim of QE. For QE to meet its stated objectives in any form, it must boost the labour market and in turn give US consumption a shot in the arm – something that the two previous programmes have failed to achieve.

The move is a bold one – according to calculations for Bank of America, the Fed will own more than 33 per cent of the entire mortgage market by 2014. If ever the Fed wishes to tighten its policy, it will be unwinding a balance sheet of 24 per cent of US GDP.

visions on November 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Yes, and he lost mightily, he last against the most vulnerable incumbent president in a generation. But who needs those pesky conservatives with their obnoxious scruples about limited government when you’re a super-rich progressive with a snarling disdain for those you consider your social inferiors.

casuist on November 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Sorry. That’s just silly. If people are going to stay home because Romney is not conservative enough against BARACK OBAMA ffs, then they deserve to fall off the cliff along with every liberal.

What honest to God “real” conservative would not vote against a marxist idiot like Obama? Yeah, I know Romney was no great shakes, but C’MON MAN.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Republican representatives need to get their butts off their entitlements too. They should be demanding congress be subjected to Obamacare like everyone else.

MechanicalBill on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

There are more people on Medicaid than Medicare.

bw222 on November 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM

But seniors account for 25% of the Medicaid budget as well, largely for nursing home care:

In 2007, 10 percent, or 5.8 million enrollees, were elderly, accounting for 25 percent of annual Medicaid spending, or $75 billion. Since Medicare does not cover institutional care, Medicaid is the largest source of public assistance for nursing homes. In 2009, Medicaid paid for 40 percent of all nursing home spending in the US.

Read more: http://healthcarecostmonitor.thehastingscenter.org/brittanyrush/where-the-money-goes/#ixzz2CGD4Q5Bg

cam2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Here is what the exit poll found. Mr. Romney’s personal image took a hard hit during the primary campaign and remained weak on election day

Right.

That’s what I said came out just a week ago.

Newt did irreparable damage to Romney in OH, NC/SC, and FL.

It’s more damaging to have a guy in your own party define you as Gordon Gecko than from the other side.

Team Romney then ran out of cash for the summer, denied it by saying they were holding off to hit with the MOAB of ad buys.

Turns out, this was Rove’s strategy they were following, but you know, “coordination is a illegal”. Pleaze.

A number of people tried to wise the old white guys up to the power of the web. They dismissed it as having no quantitative value.

In retrospect, it was a horribly run campaign, only saved by Denver.

But, we know that now, not because he lost, but because we gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously, if someone on the right actually exposed ORCA in mid-summer, would we have believed them? Or would the Romney tacticians waved a hand and told us “this isn’t the GOTV program you seek”, and we would have moved them along?

It really comes down to one moment.

When he didn’t fire Fehrnstrom for “Etch-A-Sketch”, we should have known he was too much like W, where loyalty trumps objective because the candidate is afraid to move on without his insiders.

budfox on November 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

…whenever anyone designates it so!…and what dizzbag!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Still trying to catch up after being out of touch for the last week …so much has happened in such a short time

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM

What honest to God “real” conservative would not vote against a marxist idiot like Obama? Yeah, I know Romney was no great shakes, but C’MON MAN.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

What was Romney going to cut (other than Big Bird)?

What was Romney going to do that would make any difference?

Romney criticized Obama for cutting $716 billion and promised to restore those cuts.

sharrukin on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Jindal GETS IT.

HondaV65 on November 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Says the Obama voter and Fauxahontas donator. Go away. You aren’t helping Jindal here.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Middle Class

When will they not ride the coat-tails of an empty phrase that the enemies use? Come up with your own arguments with your own phrasing. AND FOR GOD’S SAKE, ASK THEM TO DEFINE THEIR TERMS. Their assertions will fall upon themselves if they are simply asked specifics or definitions.

ps. I used the word “enemies” knowing full well what I’m stating.

John Kettlewell on November 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

When he didn’t fire Fehrnstrom for “Etch-A-Sketch”, we should have known he was too much like W, where loyalty trumps objective because the candidate is afraid to move on without his insiders.

budfox on November 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Or the dingy woman (a carryover from the McCain campaign) who made all the gaffes about four months ago.

bw222 on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

TXMomof3 on November 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Very nice point!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I wasn’t intent on reading in bad faith. That’s how the comments struck me. I brought in the Northeastern because you’re in NYC and I thought Ponnuru was either there or in D.C. with NRO. Perhaps I’m wrong about that. I’ve had relatives in the D.C. area and Manhattan. I’ve lived in the NYC metro area. If I assumed provincialism or patronage on your and his part when it wasn’t there, then I apologize. I have, however, seen and experienced the NE corridor mentality.

I’ve been middle class my entire life. I’ve had relatives and friends who were middle class, working class and worried about where the next dollar comes from. I’m worried about that myself. Yet they vote Republican. They connect the dots. They’re ordinary people yet they manage to understand that conservative principles are best for their family economy.

As for wanting Republicans who can find “a way to apply conservative principles in ways that offered tangible benefits to most voters and then and then talked about this agenda in those terms”— you first have to find Republican politicians who actually believe that and will go the mat for it. And who are capable of convincing people that going through tough times to get there is worth it.

INC on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You can explain to a horse where the water is, but you can’t make him go get it.

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

What honest to God “real” conservative would not vote against a marxist idiot like Obama? Yeah, I know Romney was no great shakes, but C’MON MAN.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Good point..I think we are outnumbered..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Good point..I think we are outnumbered..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Plus more folks are just not bothering to vote..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

It wasn’t the media’s fault that no one believed a word that Romney said.

casuist on November 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM

War on women
Tampons
Big Bird
Binders
Abortion
Blacks back picking cotton
Obamacare
47%
Bain
Dead wives
etc

Now. You want to talk about the media?

You don’t like Romney. That’s fine. But try to be intellectually honest here. Trying to say that the media had nothing to do with the distortion of the message or aiding in the disbelieve of Romney’s message is just BS.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

You can explain to a horse where the water is, but you can’t make him go get it.

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

lolz..If only it would have been that “pure water”..We would have had more horses..:):)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Newt did irreparable damage to Romney in OH, NC/SC, and FL.

budfox on November 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

It’s Newt’s fault? Are you talking about the primaries? You forget that Newt was the one calling early on in IA to hold back on inside-party attacks in the interests of defeating Obama. I believe Newt was hit by an incredible number of negative ads in IA. You seem to imply that it was Romney’s right to be the candidate and no one should have tried to land a blow.

INC on November 14, 2012 at 11:14 PM

To the democratics though, ‘entitlements’ means anything, nothing, and everything. Axleshaft last week labeled the mortgage interest tax deduction as an entitlement.

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Ah, so freebies for the poor are entitlements, but freebies for the middle and upper classes are not. Okay, gotcha.

cam2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

If I knew the answer to that I’d be hopping aboard the consultant gravy train. ;)

Seriously, though… Maybe he should have embraced the base a bit more, been a little more “feisty”, although I understand he needed the middle and that was his strategy.

Until the media is neutered, though, no useful conservative message will get out there. In a sane world there’s no way Big Bird would have been an issue.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Are we going to look back and be glad that Romney didn’t win (like we did McCain)?

I’m wondering.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

In 2007, 10 percent, or 5.8 million enrollees, were elderly, accounting for 25 percent of annual Medicaid spending, or $75 billion. Since Medicare does not cover institutional care, Medicaid is the largest source of public assistance for nursing homes. In 2009, Medicaid paid for 40 percent of all nursing home spending in the US.

Maybe it’s time for some innovation. Why not combine prisons with nursing homes? Give granny a shotgun and give her some purpose, while cutting back on the need and cost of prison staff.

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 11:22 PM

To the people who say Romney’s right: What should he have said or done to overcome Obama’s “gift” advantage? He talked plenty about general principles of economic freedom, mind you — lower taxes, less regulation. What was missing? Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

My opinion is that Romney couldn’t lose. I was never for him
until he became the ABO candidate. As they say, I would have
crawled through broken glass to vote against Obama. And, I was pleasantly surprised when Romney started extolling conservative
values. I always thought he could fix the economy; probably the only candidate who could. That was the number 1 issue in my book.

Everyone I talked to, all my clients spread across the country,
all small business owners, couldn’t wait to vote against Obama.

Noone can convince me that Romney did anything wrong; Chris Christie most certainly did, however, that hurt Chris Christie
more than Romney. Nothing major happened.

The media was/is corrupt and kept lauding the virtue of Obama
and his photo ops in New Jersey, etc. That shouldn’t have made a
difference; perhaps only to his base (whereby he lost votes from
2008).

The difference? Massive voter fraud that only a few are discussing. Noone paying attention. Noone on the repub side wants to visit it (except Alan West). And why is that? Is it
because Repubs also commit voter fraud? Why, yes it is. Albeit
on a much smaller scale. How tragic to be outdone by dems on
something illegal.

Amjean on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

We are never going to have the MSM give us a fair shake..We have to get our message to a broader base of voters..That is going to be a long hard road..But must be started now..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

well the media did paint Mitt as the Grinch……so yeah, Obama = Santa Claus.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

How do we break the hold the legacy media has on selecting our leaders..?

d1carter on November 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM

What was Romney going to cut (other than Big Bird)?

What was Romney going to do that would make any difference?

Romney criticized Obama for cutting $716 billion and promised to restore those cuts.

sharrukin on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM

And I’ve been saying since the end of the primaries that it’s not only economics and Libya unfortunately proved me right.

I’ve also been saying for that period of time that Romney was the status quo and would give us breathing room. I’m not going to argue his economic merits because there aren’t a heck of a lot, imho.

I do know that he pledged to repeal Obamacare and he wouldn’t have left four to die in Benghazi. That was enough for me considering the alternative, which we are going to see in great gory detail.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Or do you believe that there was nothing he could have done and the takers will simply always outvote the makers now?

Allahpundit on November 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Probably. I didn’t like that he gave Obama a pass on Benghazi at the third debate. However, the bigger issue is that throughout the campaign it felt like Romney had to do just one thing wrong to lose while Obama had to do just one thing right to win. No candidate can be expected play a perfect game every day of a campaign.

I believe the media was responsible for this to a very large degree. I also believe the free market is at an inherent disadvantage when it comes to political campaigns. It’s a lot easier to create a new government handout for a new special interest than it is to end the the hundreds of handouts already going to other special interests.

The future is bleak.

netster007x on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Good point..I think we are outnumbered..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Plus more folks are just not bothering to vote..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

That just baffles me that something like 2/3 of the country (or I guess 1/3 if you discount the children/ineligibles) can’t be bothered to spend an hour or two every couple of years (if they get stuck in line) or to fill out a form in the comfort of their homes.

And yes, I think we are too. :)

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM

budfox on November 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Newt? Nah, it was Sarah. Can’t recall how it worked, but Coulter & Zeigler told me.

In any event, the best approach would create a RNC branded replacement for the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program for socio-economically disadvantaged youth. Teh Won’s insistence on it’s elimination upon his inauguration was a dead giveaway. It would attract the reachable and ultimately reinforce the ranks of the entrepreneurial. It would be a better use for the money than enriching Karl and the rest of the clown show.

wolfsDad on November 14, 2012 at 11:32 PM

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM

It is sad but true..:(

PS..Lot of the Senate and House races had very low turnout to vote in primaries..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM

The difference? Massive voter fraud that only a few are discussing. Noone paying attention. Noone on the repub side wants to visit it (except Alan West). And why is that? Is it
because Repubs also commit voter fraud? Why, yes it is. Albeit
on a much smaller scale. How tragic to be outdone by dems on
something illegal.

Amjean on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Because only West seems to have a spine. There is definitely something wrong with the numbers. I’ve been seeing on twitter that apparently 300k worth of votes are still uncounted and Romney lost by 100k.

I guess the GOP is disinterested, possibly for the reason you mentioned. I’ll be remembering that when they want my attention.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM

What was Romney going to cut (other than Big Bird)?

What was Romney going to do that would make any difference?

Romney criticized Obama for cutting $716 billion and promised to restore those cuts.

sharrukin on November 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM

And I’ve been saying since the end of the primaries that it’s not only economics and Libya unfortunately proved me right.

I’ve also been saying for that period of time that Romney was the status quo and would give us breathing room. I’m not going to argue his economic merits because there aren’t a heck of a lot, imho.

I do know that he pledged to repeal Obamacare and he wouldn’t have left four to die in Benghazi. That was enough for me considering the alternative, which we are going to see in great gory detail.

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Well, that’s pretty thin soup.

Maybe some would be inspired to vote for the…meh candidate, but many won’t be. Millions stayed home and the reason why is obvious. Our guy doesn’t suck quite as bad as the other guy, just isn’t that stirring of a campaign slogan.

sharrukin on November 14, 2012 at 11:38 PM

@AP

(with fear and trembling)

1. Cute little kid is hungry through no fault of his own. His parents are real pieces of work. How do conservatives say the little kid should be fed?

2. Nice old man is broke through no fault of his own. He walks about two miles an hour — top speed — needs medical care, food, housing. How do conservatives say these things should be provided?

There are two questions, one a cherubim poster and the other a model of dignity threatened poster. The progressives put these posters up on every wall they can find and answer the questions fully and loudly. We say their answers aren’t feasible. Then the people we’re talking to ask us what will be feasible, and too many of us can’t even answer.

Reagan could. I remember distinctly a speech addressing the old man.

All we do anymore is talk about “courting independents” and what the demographic shift will do to the vote when we dismantle the southern wall. Whether or not we should run a candidate in the middle or just left of the middle. Crap like that. Judging by most of what we talk about, we really don’t give a flip about the hungry kid or the desperate old man, an impression progressives have learned to petrify in people’s minds.

– And still I think the blame should be shouldered by the irresponsible people that voted for Obama. Pointing out our flaws at the moment is like going over a fight you lost, thinking of all the things you should have said, would say if you could just go back and do it over.

But if you want to start winning elections, I would recommend you talk about hungry kids and threatened old men, and how exactly the ideas of limited government benefit both.

Or we could just keep talking about Mexicans and politically promiscuous independents.

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM

That just baffles me that something like 2/3 of the country (or I guess 1/3 if you discount the children/ineligibles) can’t be bothered to spend an hour or two every couple of years (if they get stuck in line) or to fill out a form in the comfort of their homes.

And yes, I think we are too. :)

kim roy on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM

They just had elections in the country I was born (Slovakia)last November, with almost 85% turnout. I do not understand American when it comes to voting.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM

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