Quotes of the day

posted at 11:05 pm on November 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

State legislators in Rhode Island and Maine will announce bills tomorrow to legalize recreational marijuana, a spokesperson for the Marijuana Policy Project announced today…

MPP says that “similar proposals will be submitted in at least two other states — Vermont and Massachusetts.” A ballot iniative legalizing medical marijuana passed in Massachusetts last week with more than 60 percent of the vote. Maine voters voted to expand the state’s 1999 medical marijuana law in 2009 to include dispensaries.

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Relaxing restrictions on marijuana met with mixed results on Election Day, approved by voters in Colorado, Washington and Massachusetts, rejected in Arkansas and Oregon.

Americans split by 48-50 percent in this survey on “legalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use.” Nonetheless that marks a new high in support in polls back to 1985, and the first time opposition has slipped to less than a majority. Support for legalizing marijuana has grown sharply from just 22 percent in 1997.

Despite increased acceptance of the idea, intensity of sentiment is tilted against relaxing marijuana restrictions: Thirty-seven percent are strongly opposed to legalization, vs. 26 percent who strongly support it.

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Via WaPo:

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Mexican President Felipe Calderón says the legalization of marijuana for recreational use in two U.S. states limits that country’s ‘‘moral authority’’ to ask other nations to combat or restrict illegal drug trafficking.

Calderón says the legalization of marijuana in Washington and Colorado represents a fundamental change that requires the rethinking of public policy in the entire Western Hemisphere…

Mexico insists the violence from cartels has increased largely because drug consumption and arms smuggled from the United States.

“Why do criminals kill so cruelly and with so much evil? Why do they take so many risks? Because they are that dumb, that violent, that savage? It’s their ambition that then causes an increase in drug prices and demand from the consumer markets,” the president said.

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This week, Paul also plans to re-engage with Leahy and others about his stance on marijuana, saying it makes little sense to have tough laws against possession that could destroy a young person’s life.

After Colorado and Washington state each approved recreational use of marijuana in ballot initiatives last week, Paul said it “wouldn’t hurt” for his party to take a softer stand on the issue, saying it would show that the GOP is a “little bit rational” and “reasonable” if penalties for pot possession were weakened.

“I don’t think we should put people in jail for mandatory sentences of nonviolent drug crimes, particularly 20-year sentences,” Paul said. “I’d just hate to see somebody’s kid get put in jail for 20 years for making a mistake.”

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Young Americans are much more open to reform, about 59 percent of Americans under 34 favor legalization, as do 56 percent among those 35-44. Middle-aged Americans are evenly split, while seniors are most opposed 64 percent to 29 percent in favor. However, even a majority of seniors (58 percent) favor medical marijuana prescribed by a doctor.

Religiosity highly correlates with position on drug legalization. Sixty-seven percent of those who attend church weekly oppose legalizing recreational pot, but 58 percent support medical marijuana. In contrast 75 percent of those who never attend church favor marijuana legalization, as do 61 percent of those who only attend church a few times a year…

Interestingly, significantly more tea party supporters than Republicans favor legalizing marijuana (38 percent to 27 percent). Upwards of 55 percent of both Democrats and Independents also support legalizing the drug.

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It would be a mistake to call these ballot initiative victories “pro-pot.” Most of those who voted in favor don’t use marijuana; indeed many don’t like it at all and have never used it. What moved them was the realization that it made more sense to regulate, tax and control marijuana than to keep wasting money and resources trying to enforce an unenforceable prohibition.

Whether or not the two state governments move forward with regulating marijuana like alcohol will depend on two things: how the Obama administration, federal prosecutors and police agencies respond; and the extent to which the states’ senior elected officials commit to implementing the will of the people. The fact that federal laws explicitly criminalize marijuana transactions, and that the federal government can continue to enforce those laws, means that federal authorities could effectively block the initiatives from being fully implemented. But there are also good reasons why the Obama administration should, and may, allow state governments to proceed as voters have demanded…

Will federal prosecutors and police agents continue to repeat the mantra that “it’s all illegal under federal law” and that the federal Controlled Substances Act trumps all state laws? Yes, of course. But they’re up against a powerful host of arguments that also demand deference. These new laws were passed by voter initiatives, which represent the clearest expressions of the will of the people. The final tallies were consistent with public opinion polls earlier in the year, before anyone had spent a penny on political advertising. Voters clearly knew what they were voting for.

Effectively implemented, the new laws could offer fiscal benefits in terms of reducing criminal justice costs and increasing tax revenues, public safety benefits in terms of transforming a criminal, underground market into a legally regulated above-ground part of local economies, and public health benefits in terms of regulating the quality and potency of substances consumed by millions of Americans. They also, it must be said, advance the cause of freedom.

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Both initiatives abolish penalties for adults 21 or older who possess up to an ounce of marijuana and for state-licensed growers and sellers who follow regulations that are supposed to be adopted during the next year or so. Pot prohibitionists such as Asa Hutchinson, former head of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), argue that allowing marijuana sales violates the Controlled Substances Act and therefore the Constitution, which makes valid acts of Congress “the supreme law of the land.”

But the Supremacy Clause applies only to laws that Congress has the authority to pass, and the ban on marijuana has never had a solid constitutional basis. If alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment, how could Congress, less than two decades later, enact marijuana prohibition by statute?

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The White House is surprisingly uncool when it comes to toking up: A Reuters piece that Charles C. W. Cooke noted on the Corner last week reports that the victories are largely symbolic. Ken Sabet, former assistant to Obama’s drug czar, said that state leaders “are facing an uphill battle with implementing this, in the face of . . . presidential opposition and in the face of federal enforcement opposition.” In other words, the Obama administration cares more about maintaining the concentration of federal power than preventing thousands of bored college students from getting arrested for doing exactly what the president did when he was a bored college student.

For the GOP, this is more than just an opening; it’s a magical messaging moment, which, to paraphrase Rahm Emanuel, conservatives shouldn’t let go to waste. “This is a classic example of where they can walk the walk,” says Tim Lynch of the Cato Institute. This isn’t really a drug-legalization issue; it’s a states’ rights issue and a limited-powers issue. All conservatives have to agree on is that the federal government might have better things to do with its freshly printed money than try to enforce a nigh-unenforceable law that local voters and leaders think was a bad idea in the first place…

If the GOP is going to be competitive in 2016, it has to communicate to young people that intrusive federal government makes their lives worse. It has to communicate that it’s the party that respects personal choice and individual responsibility. And it would probably help to communicate that when in doubt, the GOP doesn’t automatically take the side of the insanely expensive branch of the federal government that breaks into people’s homes, shoots their dogs, and imprisons them because they added a funny ingredient to their brownies.

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Bishop is being lazzy.

Typical union thug :)

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Choom!!!!!

KCB on November 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Let it Burn!

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Contact high!

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Do they make it in Menthol?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Puff, puff, pass…

KCB on November 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Bishop is being lazzy.

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM

He’s on a Union mandated coffee break.

RickB on November 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

How about the electronic Joint?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

“Did you inhale?”

“I inhaled frequently” “That was the point” (tee hee)!” - Obowma

Seven Percent Solution on November 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM

…I thought that guy was holding sh!t…!!!…I mean… REAL sh!t sh!t!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM

So when voters vote on an issue, it becomes the law , right?
Does the same apply to issues like gay marriage too ?

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

How about the electronic Joint?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM

…that we can smoke at work?

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

…that we can smoke at work?

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

As long as it doesn’t offend the staff.

Other then the Cheetos keeps disappearing…

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Choom!!!!!

Our Tokesman says “Party on!”

EA_MAN on November 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM

It would be a mistake to call these ballot initiative victories “pro-pot.”

Sure. And the check is in the mail. And the LZ is cold (the landing zone is not currently under fire). And I won’t ejaculate into your mouth. And our congressmen are in Washington looking out for our futures and really care about us.

Now I can add another blatant fabrication to my list.

RoadRunner on November 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Good – a victory for personal freedom. There are precious few these days.

My opinion is, by the way, to legalize EVERYTHING, meth and heroin including – but refuse ANY form of free medical help if there are any drugs found in the patient’s blood. Let ‘em milk charities, not taxpayers, or die trying.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:16 PM

As long as it doesn’t offend the staff.

Other then the Cheetos keeps disappearing…

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:13 PM

rofl..Good one..:)

PS..You are on a roll tonight..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

roflmao….

pass the Milky Ways pls.

CoffeeLover on November 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Good – a victory for personal freedom. There are precious few these days.

My opinion is, by the way, to legalize EVERYTHING, meth and heroin including – but refuse ANY form of free medical help if there are any drugs found in the patient’s blood. Let ‘em milk charities, not taxpayers, or die trying.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:16 PM

that includes booze right ….

conservative tarheel on November 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Choom it up!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I believe the drug laws need to be changed …
we learned nothing from prohibition …

conservative tarheel on November 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

…well…this should draw some people… to finally get off the Ron Paul thread!
Thank gawd there’s a picture of sh!t…or that thread will go on until tomorrow morning!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Full blown amnesty should be rewarded to every illegal caught with an ounce of pot or more. Hispanics will love Republicans so much, they’ll vote for our candidates twice.

xblade on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Anybody who’s basing their projections of legal marijuana tax revenue tomorrow on the cost of illegal marijuana today, should read this first.

greggriffith on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Thank gawd there’s a picture of sh!t…or that thread will go on until tomorrow morning!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM

The by product of Occupy Wall Street.

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Between abortion, gay marriage, and pot Republicans now have a reputation for being more intrusive into the personal lives of individuals than the democrats.

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rickyricardo on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

PS..You are on a roll tonight..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

…*pssssst*…whispers…(he…may have ROLLED one!)

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

This whole legalization business creates many societal “conflicts”, but I’ll focus on this one for now:

Does this mean that transportation companies won’t be allowed to fire employees who “test positive” for usage?

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

I used to support this.

Until I read the story of a suburban NY mom, who toked up at a summer party, then put her kids and the neighbors kids in her mini-van.

And drove the wrong way on the freeway.

And killed everyone.

I can only see careless shite like this exponentially increasing, because your average idiot is going to think “it’s legal” in any way, shape, form or amount.

I guess I could support it, if adjunct criminal penalties make the sentence life crushers.

Meaning, you get busted for a DWI with hemp in your system, and you lose your license for ten years.

You can’t have legal hemp and lenient sentencing. It’s either illegal and light sentences for possession, or legal and severe sentences for violation.

budfox on November 14, 2012 at 11:24 PM

…*pssssst*…whispers…(he…may have ROLLED one!)

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

rofl..Maybe..:)

PS..Guess we need to dust off those Bob Marley LP’s..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Legalize it please. I’ve created some of my finest work while under the influence of the hippie lettuce.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Between abortion, gay marriage, and pot Republicans now have a reputation for being more intrusive into the personal lives of individuals than the democrats.

rickyricardo on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Abortion is kinda different because the person doing it is affecting someone else – or, at least, we’re supposed to believe that it’s “someone else”. I’d add euthanasia and stem-sell research onto this list.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

…*pssssst*…whispers…(he…may have ROLLED one!)

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

LOL

I used to….back when I was a Freshman in HS..

But we used Parsley leaves..

We didn’t have the income that young Obama had..

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Does this mean that transportation companies won’t be allowed to fire employees who “test positive” for usage?

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

It is their right to set such limitation as a condition for employment. Stoners would not automatically go to jail, but it still doesn’t make them a legally protected class.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

that includes booze right ….

conservative tarheel on November 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Unlike drugs, booze – or, rather, the product of its oxidation called acetaldehyde – is a natural metabolite of a human body.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM

LoLz..We never used Parsley leaves..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM

It has always amazed me that the same people who want to outlaw
tobacco smoking want to legalize marijuana smoking.

I hope they all realize that riding their bikes while high on
pot will get them arrested.

Its time to bring back Nancy Reagan’s “This is your brain on
drugs” television and print ads.

On the other hand, let’s legalize pot in all states, tax the
hell out of it, and use it to fund welfare….the only revenue used for welfare recipients and all their housing, food, medicaid,
dental, cell phones, lap tops, etc.

The more you smoke, the more you get!!!

Amjean on November 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM

im sure pot will be covered and free under Obamacare…
now if they would just cover my scotch tab….i’d be set..

side question…if they make ethanol out of gov pot..
will barry then claim to have solved the oil crisis..

it’ll make your car slow and lazy…
but at least were not burning our food supply…

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 11:33 PM

FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwA…
Oops………

Glenn Jericho on November 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I was actually surprised to see it was as close as it was here in Arkansas (medical marijuana, btw, not recreational). I think it was only defeated by a margin of 6 points (53-47). I think it’s kind of a moral victory for civil libertarians. If nothing else, I’m sure it has emboldened those behind the movement here to keep putting it up for a vote until it passes. We do have a lottery now, after all. Just a matter of time until there’s weed too.

NoLeftTurn on November 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Trying doing a search on “marijuana psychosis” and you’ll come up with rafts of studies. Those that are especially scary include the ones about those who begin use at an early age and those about certain groups at risk genetically.

INC on November 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Legalize it please. I’ve created some of my finest work while under the influence of the hippie lettuce.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

…I did it for a few months in my 20′s…until I realized 6 months went by and I didn’t know what happened to them…I was always paranoid…even my dog and cat were narcs!
…So!…then…when I started drinking again…I looked about me…and noticed that my whole house had been repainted…and all my landscaping was totally different! I must have planted 300 trees and bushes!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

If the GOP was smart they would use this issue to highlight the benefits of federalism. Then again the GOP is as smart as a bag of hammers.

Meat Fighter on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Between abortion, gay marriage, and pot Republicans now have a reputation for being more intrusive into the personal lives of individuals than the democrats.

rickyricardo on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

.
Abortion is kinda different because the person doing it is affecting someone else – or, at least, we’re supposed to believe that it’s “someone else”. I’d add euthanasia and stem-sell research onto this list.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

.
Marriage has always been male-female, until the “powers behind the scenes” decided to use it as one more weapon (of many) to weaken and destabilize the U.S.

Institutionalized Gay Marriage is the “intruder”. Not the Republican Party, nor Christian believers, or even Islam, for that matter.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Two teenage boys were picked up for doing drugs. When they went to court the judge said that he would like to give them a second chance if they could work in the community and convince young people not to do drugs. The boys went to the community and did their work and returned to court the next month.
The judge asked the first boy how he did and he told the judge that he convinced 5 people not to do drugs.
The judge said, “That was great how did you do that?”
The boy told him, “I used a diagram, your honor. I drew two circles, a small one and a large one, and told them that this (the big circle) is your brain before drugs and this (small circle) is your brain after drugs.”
“That’s admirable,” said the judge, and asked the other boy. “And you, how did you do?”
“Well, your honor, I persuaded 156 people to give up drugs forever.”
“156 people! That’s amazing! How did you manage to do that?!”
“Well, I used the same two circles, your honor. I pointed to the small circle and told them, ‘This is your a-hole before jail.’”

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Where are the Ronulans..I figured they would be all over this..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwArD! FoRwA…
Oops………

Glenn Jericho on November 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM

:)

Obama’s car has a warped tire..

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

So when voters vote on an issue, it becomes the law , right?
Does the same apply to issues like gay marriage too ?

burrata on November 14, 2012 at 11:11 PM

It applies unless it runs afoul of the Constitution.

alchemist19 on November 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

During the next 4 years…

Pot will help, and booze; maybe a little blow if you can afford it.

faraway on November 14, 2012 at 11:38 PM

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

I had some very good friends who “never came back”..Totally changed them and notfor the better..:(

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Institutionalized Gay Marriage is the “intruder”. Not the Republican Party, nor Christian believers, or even Islam, for that matter.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Why would you – a presumably hetero person, likely married – care if gays are allowed to marry? The right of priests to refuse service should be protected by statute, and some adoption quirks need to be addressed, but other than that, really – who gives a rat’s patootie?

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

…So!…then…when I started drinking again…I looked about me…and noticed that my whole house had been repainted…and all my landscaping was totally different! I must have planted 300 trees and bushes!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Ummmm..

I am drinking right now…and the best I can do is type on HotAir and make a run for the bathroom..

I solute you….

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

.
It is their right to set such limitation as a condition for employment. Stoners would not automatically go to jail, but it still doesn’t make them a legally protected class.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM

.
As long as all private companies are allowed to test for it’s usage, and screen out applicants on the basis of a positive test result, I say “go for it”.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Nonetheless that marks a new high in support in polls back to 1985, and the first time opposition has slipped to less than a majority. Support for legalizing marijuana has grown sharply from just 22 percent in 1997.

Had no idea that the elderly were holding the country back on so many important issues. It’s definitely time to get Obamacare fully implemented and put a few death panels to work.
Forward!

bayam on November 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM

I had some very good friends who “never came back”..Totally changed them and notfor the better..:(

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Same here..
I lost some good friends when I was on the bottle.
:)
Well…

They only call when they need money..

Got to love family.

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Does this mean that transportation companies won’t be allowed to fire employees who “test positive” for usage?

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

They can fire employees who test positive for alcohol usage, can’t they? Kind of the same thing and alcohol is a legal substance.

NoLeftTurn on November 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Man, blue staters really need to get high.

Dongemaharu on November 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Man, blue staters really need to get high.

Dongemaharu on November 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

With four more years of this idiot in the White House then the red staters might need to, too.

alchemist19 on November 14, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Man, blue staters really need to get high.

Dongemaharu on November 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

i’d say they were high allready if they think
a second term doesnt come with a bill to be paid..

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM

This whole legalization business creates many societal “conflicts”, but I’ll focus on this one for now:

Does this mean that transportation companies won’t be allowed to fire employees who “test positive” for usage?

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

It won’t create any societal conflict that doesn’t already exist.

Why would you think a private business couldn’t fire a worker for using drugs?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Man, blue staters really need to get high.

Dongemaharu on November 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I say..

Let them!

Especially on Presidential election day..

If they can remember..

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM


It would be a mistake to call these ballot initiative victories “pro-pot.” Most of those who voted in favor don’t use marijuana; indeed many don’t like it at all and have never used it. What moved them was the realization that it made more sense to regulate, tax and control marijuana than to keep wasting money and resources trying to enforce an unenforceable prohibition.

Indeed.

Jeddite on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Institutionalized Gay Marriage is the “intruder”. Not the Republican Party, nor Christian believers, or even Islam, for that matter.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

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Why would you – a presumably hetero person, likely married – care if gays are allowed to marry? The right of priests to refuse service should be protected by statute, and some adoption quirks need to be addressed, but other than that, really – who gives a rat’s patootie?

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

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It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.

If you disagree, then we’re at an impasse. My mind isn’t changing, as regards it.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

So..
Does Santa snort coke?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM

It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.

If you disagree, then we’re at an impasse. My mind isn’t changing, as regards it.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Ok. Then cover your ears and your eyes and pretend homosexuality doesn’t exist and that it hasn’t existed for thousands of years.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM

It would be a mistake to call these ballot initiative victories “pro-pot.” Most of those who voted in favor don’t use marijuana; indeed many don’t like it at all and have never used it. What moved them was the realization that it made more sense to regulate, tax and control marijuana than to keep wasting money and resources trying to enforce an unenforceable prohibition.

Indeed.

Jeddite on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

It also takes the criminal element out of it.

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Where are the Ronulans..I figured they would be all over this..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Still giggling in the corner. One of them will probably notice eventually that the music’s stopped. :)

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Medicinal Beer is a great alternative to medical marijuana.

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:52 PM

So..
Does Santa snort coke?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM

outside santas door it’s all white….
what do you think..?

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 11:53 PM

I have never used it but I honestly could care less what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Its interesting that liberals dont want you to get a twinkie from a vending machine but they are all for drug use. I do worry about it becoming commonplace and acceptable as an example for children. Its pretty difficult to monitor everything spewing out if the TV radio computer etc… As it is. On the other hand its already rampant with teenagers already .

ldbgcoleman on November 14, 2012 at 11:54 PM

As long as the states who legalize pot do not become sources for illegal markets in states that have not legalized pot, it is not a federal issue. The problem is, states where pot is legal far too often become sources for illegal markets in other states. This will bring a certain amount of federal action. The extent of the action is far too often correlated with elections that the President and Congress feel they must win.

Drug tests should ideally be calibrated to find out whether a given marijuana user is stoned, not merely whether said user uses pot. Anything it is illegal for one to do drunk should also be illegal when stoned. Employers should have just as much of a right to send a stoned employee home as a drunk one.

There is a positive correlation between marijuana use and later diagnoses of psychosis. I said correlation, not causation. For all we know, the kids are self-medicating the incipient schizo-ness with pot. In any case, pot either causes or masks symptoms of psychiatric disorders, some of which can end up with violent actions taken by the individual. And they are often hard to diagnose before patients reach legal adulthood. Pot should be kept out of minors’ hands, even more strictly than alcohol and cigarettes are (not) kept out of minors’ hands.

Sekhmet on November 14, 2012 at 11:54 PM

It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.

If you disagree, then we’re at an impasse. My mind isn’t changing, as regards it.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

It’s not evident, let alone self-evident. But if you’re going to make bold statements like that then go ahead and tell me what that self-evident evidence is.

alchemist19 on November 14, 2012 at 11:54 PM

So..
Does Santa snort coke?

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Which Santa, the one in the White House or the one in the North?

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Medical Bacon should be legalized in school lunches

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM

First rule of recreation pot: Don’t Bogart.

Liam on November 14, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Got to love family.

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I hear you..Well said..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:52 PM

rofl..Good one..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Where are the Ronulans..I figured they would be all over this..:)

Dire Straits on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM

…I went over to the Ron Paul thread a while ago…and announced…WE HAVE SH!T HERE…!!!

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Which Santa, the one in the White House or the one in the North?

JPeterman on November 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM

:)

Electrongod on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.

If you disagree, then we’re at an impasse. My mind isn’t changing, as regards it.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Ok. Then cover your ears and your eyes and pretend homosexuality doesn’t exist and that it hasn’t existed for thousands of years.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM

He isn’t pretending it doesn’t exist. He’s just refusing to characterize it the way you want it characterized.

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM

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It won’t create any societal conflict that doesn’t already exist.

Why would you think a private business couldn’t fire a worker for using drugs?

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM

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I absolutely believe users will try to force acceptance of it’s use in the work place, if it’s legalized. Whether they succeed or not is another matter.
Alcohol is legal. Yet employers can fire anyone who shows up for work, drunk. Norfolk Southern Railroad (and probably others) randomly test employees urine for everything, and a positive test result is termination. Period.

As long as employers are allowed to reject employees who “use”, I’ve got no problem with legalization.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

We should legalize the mining of medical coal.

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

We need to legalize the recreational drilling for oil.

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.

If you disagree, then we’re at an impasse. My mind isn’t changing, as regards it.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

I disagree, but only partly. While the idea of sticking a sausage up a fellow man’s rear is anything but normal (and kinda revolting, actually), neither sausage nor rear is mine so I couldn’t care less.

As for destructive effect on the society, I have to admit ancient Greeks and Romans did pretty well, culture-wise, despite featuring a rather intensive system of man-on-man relations.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

I absolutely believe users will try to force acceptance of it’s use in the work place, if it’s legalized. Whether they succeed or not is another matter.
Alcohol is legal. Yet employers can fire anyone who shows up for work, drunk. Norfolk Southern Railroad (and probably others) randomly test employees urine for everything, and a positive test result is termination. Period.

As long as employers are allowed to reject employees who “use”, I’ve got no problem with legalization.

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

What do you care if workers of a company try to get it accepted in their workplace? Still, that doesn’t answer my question.

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM

We need to legalize the recreational drilling for oil.

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Clinton concurs..

Electrongod on November 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Murder has existed for thousands of years. Don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. Therefore two murders have a right to get married.

SparkPlug on November 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Why would you – a presumably hetero person, likely married – care if gays are allowed to marry? The right of priests to refuse service should be protected by statute, and some adoption quirks need to be addressed, but other than that, really – who gives a rat’s patootie?

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM

My problem is being forced to acknowledge that two people are married when they aren’t. A gay couple doesn’t form a marriage. If I don’t have to do that, then I don’t care what papers get passed around or who disagrees with me. If we really are free to see it as we’d like, then — thuper.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Medical Bacon should be legalized in school lunches

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM

…maybe that will give them the cravings to eat the food Mooch wants them too eat!

KOOLAID2 on November 15, 2012 at 12:03 AM

We need to legalize the recreational drilling for oil.

SparkPlug on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

We already have.

Archivarix on November 15, 2012 at 12:04 AM

I disagree, but only partly. While the idea of sticking a sausage up a fellow man’s rear is anything but normal (and kinda revolting, actually), neither sausage nor rear is mine so I couldn’t care less.

As for destructive effect on the society, I have to admit ancient Greeks and Romans did pretty well, culture-wise, despite featuring a rather intensive system of man-on-man relations.

Archivarix on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM

You missed a golden opportunity to use sausage there, and neatly tie your paragraphs and thoughts together.

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Now Obama not only gonna buy my gas and pay my mortgage, he going to give me free choom!

Scotsman on November 15, 2012 at 12:05 AM

My problem is being forced to acknowledge that two people are married when they aren’t. A gay couple doesn’t form a marriage. If I don’t have to do that, then I don’t care what papers get passed around or who disagrees with me. If we really are free to see it as we’d like, then — thuper.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 12:02 AM

If two people are married, then why would you choose to be irrational and say they aren’t?

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 12:06 AM

*sip*

. . . All of history and politics would be so different if human beings just — budded or something.

Axe on November 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM

listens2glenn on November 14, 2012 at 11:48 PM

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Ok. Then cover your ears and your eyes and pretend homosexuality doesn’t exist and that it hasn’t existed for thousands of years.

Dante on November 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM

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He isn’t pretending it doesn’t exist. He’s just refusing to characterize it the way you want it characterized.

Axe on November 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM

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I’m rejecting it as a legitimate alternate “normality”, Dante.

That doesn’t constitute a covering of my eyes and ears.

I don’t hate people who practice it, but I do demand that it stay behind closed doors.

I reiterate my statement:

“It is self-evident, that allowing homosexuality to be openly recognized as a legitimate state of “alternate normality” is destructive to the society that accepts it.”

Period.

listens2glenn on November 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM

And if you don’t watch it, then do yourself a favor and read it

Paul’s farewell address

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Dang it. wrong thread

Dante on November 15, 2012 at 12:08 AM

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