Video: Man suspected of being in vegetative state tells doctors he’s not in pain
posted at 8:31 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit
Miraculous and horrifying. Something’s still going on upstairs, 12 years after his accident, and this is the first technological baby step towards harnessing it. You can imagine in the future how a portable brain-scan device might give people with his condition a chance to communicate day to day, however primitively. It’s like digging through 20 feet of avalanched snow and finding someone who’d been given up for dead still alive. Miraculous. But imagine how he spent those 12 years. Patients suffering from “locked-in syndrome” — which is very different from a vegetative state — often (but not always) at least retain an ability to communicate with their eyes. If properly diagnosed, the people around them will understand that they can communicate and the patient will know that those people understand. One man who suffered from it was even able to tweet before eventually opting for assisted suicide. Someone in a vegetative state, which is what Scott Routley was thought to be in, has none of that. If he wanted to communicate, even just to let his mother and father know that he understood them, he had no outlet until now. Horrifying.
There’s no way to avoid a Terri Schiavo comparison here, although the fact that Routley is capable of communicating doesn’t necessarily mean that she would have been capable under similar circumstances. I’d be interested in hearing a neuroscientist’s opinion of their comparative cognitive function. Did she suffer more brain damage than he did — enough so that she couldn’t have responded to commands even through the MRI? Then again, even if she couldn’t have, the whole point of the Routley experiment is that experts in this field may be taking for granted how much awareness a presumably vegetative patient retains. With that much uncertainty, who wants to roll the dice on starving someone on the fingers-crossed assumption that they won’t feel a thing? I’ll leave you with this harrowing thought from the darkest days of the national screaming match over Schiavo. I remember getting into it with a friend who was absolutely convinced, to a metaphysical degree, that Schiavo was nothing but a husk of a human being that retained no sensate abilities whatsoever. She was dead by any reasonable definition of the term, he insisted. In that case, I asked him, why bother wasting several days by slowly starving her to death? Why not just wheel her over to the crematorium and dump her in? Good point, he said, why not? So, there you go.
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Bird cage liner insults fish wrap…awesomeness.
hillsoftx on November 19, 2012 at 8:04 AM
NYT attacking the leadership at the WaPo is like discussing virginity among whores.
Happy Nomad on November 19, 2012 at 8:06 AM
Bravo . . . right on.
rplat on November 19, 2012 at 8:08 AM
Been quite a while since either of these sludge peddlers were relevent to me. Typically if I see a byline from the big MSM outlets I read it as taught by Brent Bozell.
Disregard unattributed quotes.
Look for what’s missing.
Know the liberal source for what he is.
They don’t report news. They push left. Always.
DanMan on November 19, 2012 at 8:18 AM
The New York Slimes and The Washington Compost, fishwrap of record and beltway blowhards, slugging it out in the race to the bottom. Might be sad, if it weren’t so funny.
College Prof on November 19, 2012 at 8:19 AM
And the Times has the ‘nads to define “journalism” after their slanderous post about John McCain in 2008? That any liberal progressive could read the Times as their sacred bible to socialism, altering the course of the nation IS the Time’s mission statement, not informing its readership.
Rovin on November 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM
The NYT is too busy spiking stories to have time to criticize anyone else…
Or making them up for that matter… John McCain/lobbyist in 2008, anybody?
If I had a bird, they wouldn’t even qualify for cage liner… no thanks…
Khun Joe on November 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM
heh.
Fratricide.
ted c on November 19, 2012 at 8:27 AM
I hope these two derelict blobs eat each other’s young and then cease to exist. they deserve it.
HomeoftheBrave on November 19, 2012 at 8:27 AM
How “rich.” Oivey
CoffeeLover on November 19, 2012 at 8:34 AM
Neither is the NYT’s. Go figure.
GarandFan on November 19, 2012 at 8:37 AM
This is like watching two Wrestling “heels” beat the stew out of each other. Pass the popcorn.
kingsjester on November 19, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Pravda vs TASS…
Caper29 on November 19, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Without the integrity. I wish I were kidding.
Happy Nomad on November 19, 2012 at 8:43 AM
Hopefully Rupert Murdoch is circling around the NYT and the WaPo like a buzzard. :-)
Punchenko on November 19, 2012 at 8:44 AM
It’s been a long night, and I’m too drunk to read all of this now in detail, but based on a brief scan, please keep in mind:
BBC = Pravda.
It’s the UK’s state media.
WhatSlushfund on November 19, 2012 at 8:46 AM
The paper of record trashes the paper used mostly for paper mache.
excuse me while I LMAO
Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 8:46 AM
docflash on November 19, 2012 at 8:47 AM
…AND I WANT THEM TO BOTH GO BELLY UP…!!!!
Bankrupt the MSM!
KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM
At least you knew what you were getting with Pravda & TASS.
You don’t with the Bull Stream Media.
Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM
Government bailout coming for these dying rags in 5….4…..3…
I saw at Starbucks yesterday that the Sunday edition of the NYT was $6.00.
Mammy and I just laughed.
Don’t even subscribe to newspaper. And frankly we don’t even look at newspaper sites ONLINE (unless it’s a link from another site). We’re on the iPad thingy now.
Won’t it be grand when they all get their bailouts in the name of “keeping the power of a free press, and speech” out there for the masses? It will be great to see the Progressives contorting themselves for the right for people to say what they want.
PappyD61 on November 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM
You know what you are getting with the NYT and WaPo too. The thing is that there is still the pretense that these are news organizations and not propaganda outlets for the Democrat party.
Happy Nomad on November 19, 2012 at 9:02 AM
That pretense is wearing awfully thin – the only ones who believe that of the BSM any more are ‘Obama Voters’ – and that phrase explains why..
Galt2009 on November 19, 2012 at 9:07 AM
Obama cheerleaders
hopefully only the good looking reporters wear the short skirts
Slade73 on November 19, 2012 at 9:07 AM
No. Covering up for someone who covered up over child sex abuse is still evil. It’s a crime where you do not get a pass.
rbj on November 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM
More than a few Penn State officials are figuring that one out the hard way.
Happy Nomad on November 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Within ten years that won’t even be a crime anymore. Pederasty will be seen as the cutting edge of hipness. The NYT is just jumping the trend.
rockmom on November 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM
Bingo!
Many decades ago, GK Chesterton, in “Orthodoxy,” pointed out that newspapers were really just the playthings of the rich — not great bastions of free speech.
Pythagoras on November 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM
Hmmm!
Didn’t know government mouthpieces were allowed to criticize each other.
EdmundBurke247 on November 19, 2012 at 9:53 AM
They face significant competition from the New Media, clearly, but I’d contend that they face two much more serious problems:
Structural – they are carrying way to much weight and need to significantly downsize.
Content – have you ever tried to read the NYT or WaPo front to back for a week? Forget the fact that it is leftist, it always has been and will be until it folds. It is ENORMOUSLY BORING AND POMPOUS. To some extent news has to be entertaining. All news is biased, that is part of the human condition, but to work news also needs to produced in a way to capture attention. The Times and WaPo utterly fail to do this imho.
You can do leftist print journalism successfully (look at the Guardian in the UK, uh, ok maybe look at Le Monde in France instead). But these pompous azzhats do not undestand that the problems they face are their own.
Aaron Sorkin’s Newsroom was very funny in its inadvertent highlighting of just how pompous and boring the professional media class can be in the US.
CorporatePiggy on November 19, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Hw mch balot $ wnt t spsdly indpt prs?
Maybe the corruption we see in the very very biased media is no accident.
Speakup on November 19, 2012 at 9:56 AM
It is also a shadow of its former self. Very little original content along with a lot of pooled reports, syndicated columnists, and filler. The big problem with the WaPo, anyway, is that their agenda is so biased that you either think the paper is wonderful or you can’t stand it.
Happy Nomad on November 19, 2012 at 10:01 AM
The Washington Post and NYT needn’t worry about making bad management decisions. My liberal friends tell me the government will bail them out when they need help. After all (I’m told), “They’re American institutions that need to be preserved” and “without them, free expression will disappear.”
Burke on November 19, 2012 at 10:05 AM
David Carr is the POS who smeared Andrew Breitbart after he died and went on Bill Maher’s show to spew profanity about middle America. That’s the face of today’s New York Times.
rrpjr on November 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM
…AND I WANT THEM TO BOTH GO BELLY UP…!!!!
Bankrupt the MSM!
KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM
All every single right side person has to do is not buy the LSM newspapers, magazine (look what happened to Newsweek), subscribe to any digital content…stop watching commercial television (it’s a pit anyway)at least for a couple of days a week and sit back and enjoy the fun!!!
sharinlite on November 19, 2012 at 10:44 AM
How long before WaPo returns the favor…I hope they feature that thug David Carr when they do.
d1carter on November 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM
are leftist rags, pure mouthpieces for the DNC.
FIFY.
Free expression has already been regulated out of existence on college campuses. Not long for the rest of society methinks.
Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 19, 2012 at 10:55 AM
May both go under soon. May they suffocate from what they eat, Obama’s crap, not beluga caviar.
Schadenfreude on November 19, 2012 at 1:29 PM