Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

All three are expected to be key players on any immigration-reform negotiations, which are expected to move first in the Senate.

“Everything ought to be on the table,” Hatch said when asked if he’d be willing to negotiate on a comprehensive bill that included a pathway to citizenship.

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“We have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year,” Schumer, who chairs a Judiciary Committee subcommittee on immigration, said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “The Republican Party has learned that being anti-illegal anti-immigrant doesn’t work for them politically.”…

Schumer noted the framework he developed with Graham has four parts. It would strengthen border security and enforcement of immigration laws by toughening punishment for business that hire illegal workers; require fraud-proof Social Security cards to prevent hiring of workers who lack them; create a temporary worker program; and set a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.

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Recall that between 1996 and 2004 the GOP doubled its percentage of the Hispanic vote to more that 40%, culminating in the re-election of George W. Bush, who won Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada—states with fast-growing Hispanic populations that Mitt Romney lost. The notion that Hispanics are “natural” Democrats and not swing voters is belied by this history.

Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to “steal” jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?…

As for the economics, immigration is one reason the U.S. has better prospects than the aging entitlement states of Europe and Japan. America needs immigrants with varying degrees of skill and income for economic growth, and the best way to know how much is to let labor markets determine the flow through flexible visa programs.

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Even if Hispanic voters in Texas went for Obama by a forty-point margin in 2012, however, previous election results in Texas suggest that although the national GOP’s demographic problem is real, it’s not necessarily insuperable. In 2010, for example, Rick Perry won re-election as governor with 38 percent of the Hispanic vote. It’s a salient example: that was only two years ago; the Tea Party movement was already ascendant; Perry had already thrown in with the Tea Party; and Perry is, in most respects, apparently more conservative than Romney…

It is, in other words, possible to conceive of a Republican party that includes conservatives but doesn’t pander to nativists. Such a party would presumably have more success with Hispanic voters than the current iteration, just as a pro-life politician who doesn’t publicly question whether all rapes are “legitimate” ones is probably going to draw more support from women voters than a pro-life politician who does. One thing that is clear from this year’s elections is that Republicans don’t need to win the Hispanic vote to win an election, even in a majority-minority state like Texas. They just need to stop losing it so aggressively.

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In 1984, President Reagan won re-election despite losing Hispanics 2-to-1. In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which both tightened immigration enforcement at the border and granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. In 1988, Hispanics rewarded the Republican party by voting … even more heavily Democratic. President Bush lost Hispanics by 40 points, 70 percent to 30 percent. So much for amnesty as the “single policy change” capable of “fixing the Latino problem.”…

The question is, what happens when they get here? Every amnesty-based proposal to the immigration problem is the essentially the same: a randomly chosen date divides noncitizens, who will be rewarded for illegally entering the United States, from those who didn’t get here illegally soon enough. There simply is no moral or logical reason to reward the first group and punish the second. The moral case for granting citizenship to those in the United States now is just as strong today as it will be for those who enter the country tomorrow. Pretending otherwise, as Krauthammer and Hannity do, only undermines our civil institutions and the rule of law.

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For instance, consider the idea that a softer line on immigration will boost Republicans’ electoral prospects by helping win over Hispanic voters. There’s no doubt that Republicans will have to find a way to improve their standing among this growing demographic group to compete in national elections. But it isn’t necessarily clear that immigration is the answer. According to a Pew Hispanic Center survey released in October, just 34 percent of Latino registered voters considered immigration to be “extremely important” to them. That trailed education (55 percent); jobs and the economy (54 percent); health care (50 percent); the federal budget deficit (36 percent) and barely edged out taxes (33 percent). It’s quite possible, in other words, that Republicans could back some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants, and still find that they don’t improve among this voting bloc. Also, a softer line on immigration could hurt Republicans’ ability to win over working class voters who feel threatened by cheaper labor, and working class voters are a bloc that another contingent of pundits views as crucial to GOP comeback chances.

Further complicating matters is that 51 percent of Hispanics think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases and 47 percent oppose or strongly oppose gay marriage, according to a study by the Public Religion Research Institute. If Republicans take the advice of many and sideline social issues, there could be a subset of socially conservative Hispanics currently voting Republican, who decide they may as well vote for Democrats on the basis of economic issues.

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Had Republicans come out in favor of open borders and blanket amnesty, I doubt that they would have won the Latino vote — much less done much better in a state like California, given that its latest round of steep tax increases (now over 13 percent on top incomes) was widely supported by the so-called Latino community. Pundits can rail about supposedly naïve, out-of-touch Republicans who talked of self-deportation and thereby lost the Latino vote; but one just as easily might have castigated them for decrying out-of-control entitlements and food stamps, predicating legal immigration on education and skills, or criticizing unworkable and discriminatory affirmative-action policies, since these positions are also politicized as anti-Latino dog whistles…

What, then, should Republicans do? Stick to their melting-pot principles and apply them across the board, regardless of race and tribe, emphasizing the content of our characters rather than the color of our skins. Of course, avoid gratuitous polarization and loose talk. Close the border, and invest in the formidable powers of American assimilation, integration, and intermarriage to achieve for a soon-to-be-closed pool of Latinos what it has already done for Japanese and Italians. Consider the DREAM Act only if it is coupled with deportation of many of those who do not meet its requirements and with employer sanctions and border enforcement. A particular Italian-American may sometimes be indistinguishable to the eye from a particular Mexican-American, but the former does not qualify for affirmative action, does not take Italian Studies courses, is not labeled a victimized minority because of ethnic affinity with millions of poor Sicilian newcomers — and is not beholden any longer to the Democratic party.

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The amnesty signed into law by the charismatic and popular President Reagan did not bring Hispanic voters into the Republican party; Republican congressional leaders who believe that sending one to President Obama would redound to their benefit are engaged in a defective political calculus. Nor are Hispanics the only group of voters to consider. Blue-collar whites do not appear to have turned out for Republicans in the usual numbers last week. Support for amnesty will not bring them back. If the policy advanced the national interest, that consideration might not matter. It does when supposed political advantage is the argument for the policy.

The Republican party and the conservative movement simply are not constituted for ethnic pandering, and certainly will not out-pander the party of amnesty and affirmative action. Republicans’ challenge is to convince Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, etc., that the policies of the Obama administration are inimical to their interests as Americans, not as members of any collegium of grievance. That they have consistently failed to do so suggests that Republican leadership is at least as much in need of reform as our immigration code.

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What’s more likely than race to account for Hispanic voting trends is income, a decisive factor in this election. The Obama campaign did a good job of portraying Romney as a Wall Street multimillionaire whose policies would favor the rich. Despite some conservatives’ belief that the Republican Party is capturing blue-collar America, Romney lost decisively among lower-income voters, who continue to vote Democratic in large numbers. Hispanic households fit into this demographic group: on average, their incomes are about 35 percent lower than the national average. Even more to the point is that Romney did terribly among voters who earned less than $50,000 a year, capturing just 38 percent of their votes—and over 60 percent of Hispanic households fit that income profile…

[I]n most cases, income is a far better determinant of voting patterns than race is (blacks are an exception, for historical reasons). The voting of ethnic groups evolves significantly as their incomes change. The ancestors of millions of today’s ethnic voters came to America in the great immigration wave of the early twentieth century and voted reliably Democratic for generations. Over the last 30 years or so, their descendants’ voting allegiances shifted significantly. Many were first attracted to the Republican Party by an optimistic presidential candidate who campaigned on a convincing pro-growth agenda. That won over voters in 1980; it would do so today, too.

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The Republican shortfall with the working class in 2012 was due not simply to the nominee’s personal background but to wider issues with Republican policies. In the wake of a decade of lost economic ground and the near-meltdown of 2008, many non-affluent voters seem to have a deep distrust of the ability of Republican policies to work for them. Romney’s poor showing among this demographic underlines the fact that Republicans have not yet found an antidote to this distrust. Further tax cuts will not counter it, nor will promises to end Obamacare. As Ross Douthat suggested the other day, the concerns of average Americans are not the same today as they were in 1979, so Republican policies will have to change with them. By the end of the campaign, Governor Romney was beginning to tout a more forward-looking economic message, one that emphasized industrial renewal, energy development, and middle-class restoration. It was this message that made the election as close as it became on November 6…

What does not seem so clear, however, is how an expansive legalization of current illegal workers, and the new wave of illegal labor such a legalization would be likely to initiate, could improve the economic prospects of the working class or win them over to the Republican side. There might be other reasons to support an amnesty for illegal immigrants, but hopes that such an amnesty will be an electoral panacea are misguided. Perhaps the most promising strategy for winning over native-born and immigrant voters alike would be for Republicans to put forward policies that speak to the needs of the vast economic middle and of economic strivers of all income levels.

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Goodnight, Axe.

4Grace on November 14, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Past my bedtime, too.

Goodnight all.

4Grace on November 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM

but I also have a hard time seeing us do it without giving the Hispanic population “SOMETHING,” on this issue, just to prove we actually do care about their vote.

WolvenOne on November 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM

The racial diversity the GOP claims to seek has already been found by Ron Paul and he hasn’t promised them amnesty or welfare.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2012 at 1:58 AM

4Grace on November 14, 2012 at 1:51 AM
amen…
i know i keep dwelling on this…maybe im just typing
out loud…but nothing the government said about it
adds up…why didnt they even try to save the ambassador
and his staff….were they that expendable…was hiding
the fact of a CIA black op site more important that
those 4 americans…is the admin just throwing out
the lil shinny objects to distract us…was Gen Pet
used as a shinny trump card so the CLM (criminally
liable media) would follow a slap and tickle and
not ask about what really happened in libya…

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 1:59 AM

i’ve read a lot of commentary on the plight of the R party and the country. The problem is that Rs/Conservatives are really, just now, seeing the massive impact of the demonization that has been directed at them by the leviathan.

It has been there for decades…but highly intense since 2000. the left/media lie incessantly…so the initial coverage of benganhzi was romney’s attack of a hero prezy.

the right should forgive themselves. Are Rs corrupt…sure…but far less than leftists. Do Rs make mistakes…sure…but not the massive life threatening mistakes that the left does.

the left was actively Stalin supporters 80 years ago…still today, fidel and che move their heart. the left has no moral authority.

alinsky, he embedded himself with the chicago mob who killed people gangland style…and dedicated a book to sirhan sirhan among others.

Rs need to embrace who they are. flawed..but a hell of a lot better than the alternative

r keller on November 14, 2012 at 2:01 AM

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Unfortunately, the answer to most of those questions is a resounding YES.

Gotta go. Goodnight, g2m.

4Grace on November 14, 2012 at 2:04 AM

f the borders are not secure before they implement amnesty the Arizona Border Trash problem will grow, our hospitals and schools will bear a huge burden, and drug cartels have already taken over a part of AZ and when Reagen granted amnesty we had a veritable FLOOD coming across. It is bad enough. SECURE THE BORDERS!

AZgranny on November 14, 2012 at 2:04 AM

be safe grace…night….

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 2:06 AM

The GOP says that they need to attract young and minority voters in order to survive. They should ask Ron Paul how he does it.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2012 at 2:09 AM

AZgranny on November 14, 2012 at 2:04 AM

If they secure the border it will only be temporarily to appease you until after they pass their amnesty and then they’ll let the border go back to business as usual so that it won’t be hard for the illegals to break in.

The purpose of the amnesty, from the perspective the lobbyists and cronies who paid for it, is to encourage a new tidal wave of illegal immigration. New workers who won’t know their rights as well and will work for less money. The D party looks forward to a new wave of Democrat voters waiting in line for the next amnesty and both Parties care about happy cronies with deep pockets a lot more than they care about the best interests of the country.

FloatingRock on November 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

FloatingRock on November 14, 2012 at 2:25 AM

Actually, Nappy said the border IS secure.
Maybe if this would get out to those enviromentalists something might sink in-
American taxpayers will dish out $63 million to clean up 25 million pounds of trash and human waste left by illegal immigrants who cross through federal and state parks during their trek from Mexico to the U.S.

And those are stats from 2007.
We have to keep trying to get something done.

AZgranny on November 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

American taxpayers will dish out $63 million to clean up 25 million pounds of trash and human waste

AZgranny on November 14, 2012 at 2:34 AM

They’ll probably start paying illegal aliens if they’ll turn in a bag of garbage after they’ve sneaked across the border. Then people will figure out if they take their garbage to these places they can earn a little cash rather than having to pay to have their garbage hauled away. It will turn into an entitlement program and in a few elections the candidates will argue about who is going to pay more for garbage at the border.

Then some clever statist will figure out, why only have these garbage collection sites on the border, why not have them in every state?

FloatingRock on November 14, 2012 at 2:52 AM

USA Built By Immigrants

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
(Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that). -B.Obama

American and system being the key words.

imo,If you made the choice to immigrate to this country, then show some respect for that system, you know, the one that will allow you to thrive.

OldChick on November 14, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Borders?

We don’ need no stinkin’ borders!

Kiss America Goodbye…

profitsbeard on November 14, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Wow. The QOTD is really shrinking. I see another open reg in HA’s future…

OmahaConservative on November 14, 2012 at 3:38 AM

perhaps Cabellas is having a late night sale on
shot gun shells…or servival equiptment..

going2mars on November 14, 2012 at 3:43 AM

The Republicans in the House want to maintain their majority; no way they are going to do that if they do the carbon tax.

AZfederalist

They have to do the carbon tax. Hispanics won’t vote for us if we don’t. ;)

xblade on November 14, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Will everyone now quit talking about Rubio as if he’s a rising star? He’s the successor to McCain, not Reagan.

INC

He lost me when he joined with McCain in bashing Bachmann over her legitimate Muslim Brotherhood concerns.

xblade on November 14, 2012 at 4:07 AM

Wow. The QOTD is really shrinking. I see another open reg in HA’s future…
OmahaConservative on November 14, 2012 at 3:38 AM

I think many people felt pooped out and deflated after last Tuesday.

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 4:43 AM

Wow. The QOTD is really shrinking. I see another open reg in HA’s future…
OmahaConservative on November 14, 2012 at 3:38 AM

I think many people felt pooped out and deflated after last Tuesday.

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 4:43 AM

That doesn’t mean that Salem & HA doesn’t need more traffic and hits to keep this site going…

OmahaConservative on November 14, 2012 at 5:08 AM

That doesn’t mean that Salem & HA doesn’t need more traffic and hits to keep this site going…
OmahaConservative on November 14, 2012 at 5:08 AM

Let’s just hope they don’t go to all Facebook commenting in all the threads.

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 5:18 AM

good morning

so the gop continues to follow what the dems suggest the gop does or say as a party

cripe…

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:43 AM

everybody wants santa claus…pure and simple…is the gop going to kow tow to this mentality?

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:45 AM

Hard questions await Obama at news conference

via politico

what a crock…this media hasn’t given him a hard question in 4 years, why start now…he’s going to take 5 questions with a 10 minute response for each as usual

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:56 AM

No, no puede. My take.

kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM

kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM

couldn’t have said it better myself KJ…

PERFECT

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:11 AM

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:11 AM

Thank you, ma’am. Please share.

kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:16 AM

too funny to the lsm…
dear leader’s win considered a mandate
w won just as many votes and wasn’t considered a mandate

idiots

i wish the gop would go on these shows and air clips of these idiots saying the exact opposite when W won…

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:19 AM

No, no puede. My take.
kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM

I agree! This whole thing is ridiculous. Just what I was starting to wrap my head around the fact that we’re going to have Obama for another four years, we start hearing more about the supposed inevitability of another amnesty.

I am totally against this amnesty garbage. I know that most Republicans feel the same way. If Republicans want to kill the party, passing this amnesty nonsense would be an excellent way to do it. This had better not happen!

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM

Agree 110%, KJ!

Naturally Curly on November 14, 2012 at 6:24 AM

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:56 AM

i turned on the local news and the first thing that hit my puss was obamas mug, with the announcer gleefully announcing his first press conference. i couldn’t shut my tv down fast enough.

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 6:25 AM

Naturally Curly on November 14, 2012 at 6:24 AM

Thank you, ma’am. Please share.

kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:26 AM

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM

mitt supported amnesty. ah the irony.

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 6:25 AM

ugharoo

he’s already doubling down on raising taxes…i can hear the screams of gop are obstructionists from him and the lsm

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:29 AM

Hard questions await Obama at news conference

via politico

what a crock…this media hasn’t given him a hard question in 4 years, why start now…he’s going to take 5 questions with a 10 minute response for each as usual

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:56 AM

Umm Umm Umm . . . ISN’T HE BRILLIANT?!?!

Naturally Curly on November 14, 2012 at 6:40 AM

O/T I know, but do you see the ABC headline that a doctor shortage could crash healthcare.

The next four years are going to be so lovely. NOT.

esr1951 on November 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM

Naturally Curly on November 14, 2012 at 6:40 AM

*Swoon*

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:50 AM

just in….dear leader to hold a fiscal cliff meeting with the gop on friday also known as I Won part deux

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 6:52 AM

If you reward bad behavior you will get more of it.

Amnesty shills are federal criminals by proxy.

CorporatePiggy on November 14, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Yep, throw the base voters under the bus for illegals who will continue to support the Democrats even if you pass an amnesty.

Brilliant.

catmman on November 14, 2012 at 7:01 AM

No, no puede. My take.

kingsjester on November 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM

Well stated KJ. “Until He comes” I am believing is sooner than later. As a prominent Dallas pastor said recently, no way is Obama the AntiChrist as he only has 51% popularity, but he sure is the opening act..

As to amnesty, geez—I lived 10 miles from Mexico for 30 years near McAllen, TX and resided among a population of 85% Hispanic–immigration is NOT the issue, freestuff-igration is…no way the GOP making this idiotic vote gains them anything..heck, Romney did 2% better than Obama in TX even after Obama gave 800K illegals a break…

hillsoftx on November 14, 2012 at 7:02 AM

…FLUKE YOU…!!!…Floating Rock
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on November 14, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Is “a pathway to citizenship” really amnesty? Is it granting immediate citizenship to illegals, or does it merely change their status to “legal” immigrant with the same ability to pursue citizenship as other legal immigrants? …and pay taxes, and get paid legal wages, and work in proper conditions. Progs would rather maintain the status quo because illegals are modern slaves. The racist left loves being openly condescending to people they view as inferior while making it appear that the left is the only people that care for them. It is the kind of relationship that makes you cringe when you see your best friend doing that to his wife. Why can’t we use that? Why do we let the left dictate the narrative that the right wants to deport 80 year old grandmas, then reinforce the narrative by throwing a fit when a republican says “pathway to citizenship?”

tdarrington on November 14, 2012 at 7:16 AM

no way is Obama the AntiChrist as he only has 51% popularity,

That is because he hasn’t started eliminating the opposition yet. When detractors start ending up in prison, the other 49% will come around.

tdarrington on November 14, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Congress lied the last time with amnesty that it would then move to secure the borders.

It didn’t do so.

Why should anyone trust them on this issue UNTIL they actually do as promised the last time around? They do not mean as they say because they do not do as they say they would do.

ajacksonian on November 14, 2012 at 7:20 AM

Amnesty begets more amnesty.

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his first press conference. i couldn’t shut my tv down fast enough.

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 6:25 AM

1st ? Since when??
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CW on November 14, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Let’s just open the borders and work to invite groups that like GOP ideals.

Screw the borders.
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CW on November 14, 2012 at 7:28 AM

my guess is the gop will cave in to amnesty late christmas eve this, so that they completely ruin the holidays.

kiss a mexican under the mistletoe, just doesn’t have that yultide ring to it.

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 7:29 AM

we could either grant amnesty to 12 million Hispanic Dems and lose the next election

or legalize marijuana and win the next election

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:34 AM

amnesty – great….. Deputize 8 million New Democrat party voters…….
Cave on taxes…….Have Democrites blame R congress for raising taxes, just in time for 2014 mids

Reps – The Party that gets played.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 7:35 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/267763-rubio-mccain-hatch-ready-to-negotiate-on-pathway-to-citizenship

marco “fish-lips” rubio for amnesty???…but….but….but…..i thought he was a tea party conservative/s

renalin on November 14, 2012 at 7:37 AM

I’m already seeing “Blame the GOP” articles about the fiscal cliff! Sure, blame the party that’s not in power, f-ing idiots

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:42 AM

we could either grant amnesty to 12 million Hispanic Dems and lose the next election

or legalize marijuana and win the next election

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:34 AM

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Or make a very loud case that more amnesty will create millions more in the class of 47%, and that will reduce the amount of redistribution of dollars for the urban voters get to have – which ultimately means less stuff for them…….

In other words, appeal to their socialist principles.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 7:43 AM

I like the idea FlaMurph, but it requires too much thought for Socialists. The Dems have taught us straight up pandering is the key.

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:45 AM

This is what happens when you believe the federal government exists to do things for people. You sit around and think of things for federal government to do to win votes. Federal government exists to provide a framework for the states to govern themselves and present a unified voice in international affairs. That is all. Lets go back to that and let the people decide what they want their state to do or not do for them.

tdarrington on November 14, 2012 at 7:50 AM

You folks might want to bookmark and watch “They Come to America” when you get a chance. It will really tick you off when they go down to the border, especially when the legal American gets questioned about his presence on American soil while legals flow across the border unchecked.

xblade on November 14, 2012 at 7:53 AM

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Or make a very loud case that more amnesty will create millions more in the class of 47%, and that will reduce the amount of redistribution of dollars for the urban voters get to have – which ultimately means less stuff for them…….

In other words, appeal to their socialist principles.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 7:43 AM

You do realize that the biggest sub-group of the 47% is retirees collecting Social Security, and that they went for Romney by 12 points, right?

Here’s a tip: Whether or not the GOP supports “amnesty” will not make a difference if the conservative side of the debate is dominated — or appears to be dominated – by people who think Hispanics are a bunch of lazy breeders who only come to America to go on welfare, drop anchor babies and steal.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Seven years later the Bush-Kennedy bill supported by McCain will likely be the model for the 2013 reform. Hope that Diaper Vitter, GOP pundits/obstructionists and Democrat Union shills that stopped it at that time are proud of themselves.
Consequences were the Dem majority in the house from 2006 – 2010 which made Obamacare possible.

Pat yourselves on the back a couple of times.

Bradky on November 14, 2012 at 7:55 AM

And for the eleventy eleven people who cry “BUT AMNESTY!” – the passage of the Bush-Kennedy bill would not have granted citizenship to anyone until 2019 at the earliest. But please don’t let the facts get in the way of the hysterics.

Bradky on November 14, 2012 at 7:57 AM

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM

hahaha

and therein lies the problem. Conservatives think nothing of the sort, that’s what the liberal media says they think, and what loyal and useful idiots like yourself rinse and repeat.

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Apparently you haven’t read the immigration threads on Hot Air, which are chock full nativist ravings.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM

Rs need to embrace who they are. flawed..but a hell of a lot better than the alternative

r keller on November 14, 2012 at 2:01 AM

makes me think of the “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me” routine what’s his face used to do – ‘Stuart Smalley’ or something?

Weaksauce.

Not voting again for ‘better than the alternative’ ever, ever again. When the election is lost again, and again, and again, and the country continues to accelerate in its hand basket to hell, somehow, having done so doesn’t seem to make me feel better.

Midas on November 14, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Apparently you haven’t read the immigration threads on Hot Air, which are chock full nativist ravings.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM

You’re chock full of bull squeeze. F@#$ off and die, already, you racist prick.

Midas on November 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 8:02 AM

people who scream racism (you) are usually only good for one thing – screaming racism ;)

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 8:05 AM

This will help keep most republicans in office for awhile. Texas will be blue and the GOP will officially OFFICIALLY be dead.

But folks this party already is…….either dumb or traitorous.

DEAD…..republican party.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Isn’t this all a moot point since “illegals” are employed, have driver’s licenses, receive food stamps. get tax refunds from the IRS and are already voting in large numbers?

Fallon on November 14, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Aw, crud. Spent a lot of times finding linkies only to be caught up in moderation. Well, that’s 10 minutes I won’t get back.

Isn’t this a moot point since we are no longer a country that follows laws for civility but instead writes reams of laws and regulations to fund and gum up the system?

Basic premise: Illegals are already employed, have driver’s licenses, receive food stamps, IRS tax refunds and are voting in many areas.

Fallon on November 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM

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You do realize that the biggest sub-group of the 47% is retirees collecting Social Security, and that they went for Romney by 12 points, right?

Here’s a tip: Whether or not the GOP supports “amnesty” will not make a difference if the conservative side of the debate is dominated — or appears to be dominated – by people who think Hispanics are a bunch of lazy breeders who only come to America to go on welfare, drop anchor babies and steal.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM
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You lying commie turd.
The strong language is required to counter your HuffPo Pravdathink LIES you dare spread to this wonderful forum. Just because your Messiah gets away with being a Lying POS – doesn’t mean you get away with it.

Seniors REPRESENT ONLY 10% of the 47%- and news flash- they paid their dues, most of them, and are NOT the problem with the dysfunction that the Democrat Party has destroyed this country with. And that 10 % number is Dwarfed and nullified by the MISSING MILLIONS of adults who have dropped out and are NOT EVEN COUNTED ANYMORE As a TOTAL % of the population the 47% number is LOW – and the REAL NUMBER is incalculable- but you commies and your propaganda just love to parse and believe your own little reality- and deceive America. The GOP hates seniors and everyone else, while racist democrats vote “identity”.

Stop the lying. Do some math. More mouths to feed means LESS STUFF for the racist, yes racist, Urban voters. You are being dishonest to your comrades if you tell them any different.

But that’s just how you roll, Da ?

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM

people who scream racism (you) are usually only good for one thing – screaming racism ;)

Slade73 on November 14, 2012 at 8:05 AM

I’m just pointing out that your team has an image problem.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Lying racist commie turd?

Are you 12?

You are half- right. Seniors are 10% of the population but account for just over 21% of the 47%. My mistake. (The largest group pay federal taxes at about the same rate as Mitt Romney — a fact that is conveniently forgotten by intellectually dishonesty comm enters like you — but it’s through Social Security and Medicare withholding)

Really, though, “commie?” Me, a home-owning, tax-paying, equity investing middle-aged guy? I think not.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM

I believe that AmeriKa needs to burn to the ground so that a new and revived USA will rise from the ashes. The good part is that the democrats would not make it.

royzer on November 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Isn’t this all a moot point since “illegals” are employed, have driver’s licenses, receive food stamps. get tax refunds from the IRS and are already voting in large numbers?
Fallon on November 14, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Excellent comment.

Securing the border shouldn’t be contingent on anything. I don’t want to hear a damn thing about granting amnesty to anyone until that border is secured.

Look, it is very sad to see once beautiful areas in the southwest, for example, now resemble Third World slums. Some people might want to make this into a racial thing, but it is more about Mexico dumping its poor, unskilled population on us. Consider communities of Taiwanese or Korean immigrants in Southern California; these areas are often known for excellent schools, high home values and other desirable attributes. You see, there is a reason why we have immigration laws and encourage immigration from other countries under a certain set of rules. We want to make sure the people coming here have the skills we need, are not going to be a burden on the states, etc.

We should not believe any promises from politicians that the border will be secured if we go along with another wave of amnesty now. We should believe it only when we see it.

As for granting citizenship to illegal aliens: NEVER. Most of us can support some kind of legal recognition or guestworker program or whatever, but people who enter this country illegally should never be granted citizenship, not now, not 25 years from now, and not ever. What about all of the people waiting in line for their green cards and paying all kinds of legal fees in order to remain in this country through proper means? It is simply not right to let one group of people leapfrog ahead of everyone else.

What makes this all so sick is that people are trying to force us to go along with amnesty, not because it is the right thing to do necessarily, but because they are trying to win the votes of people who will never support the Republican Party in large numbers anyway, for a variety of other reasons.

bluegill on November 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM

“We have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year,” Schumer, who chairs a Judiciary Committee subcommittee on immigration, said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “The Republican Party has learned that being anti-illegal anti-immigrant doesn’t work for them politically.”…

See repubs, this is what you get for lying down with dems. A stab in the back on a natl TV show. Are you paying attention, Graham, Rubio and Hatch? You’re being led down this road by pundits and your good friend across the aisle. It’s a loser with the base. You need to find a better way to win.

Kissmygrits on November 14, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Here’s a tip: Whether or not the GOP supports “amnesty” will not make a difference if the conservative side of the debate is dominated — or appears to be dominated – by people who think Hispanics are a bunch of lazy breeders who only come to America to go on welfare, drop anchor babies and steal.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM

Assumptions about the motivation of Latinos isn’t worth anyone’s time. Whether or not illegals come here with the intention to use government programs doesn’t really matter because inevitably quite a lot of them do end up needing assistance. My own personal opinion is that the majority do want to improve their financial situation, but due to the fact that arrive here poor and less educated is what makes it much more difficult.
The Center for Immigration Studies reports that in Texas for instance , 58 % of illegal households collect some form of welfare, , with 49 percent using food assistance and 41 percent using Medicaid. In California and Illinois, 55 percent use welfare.

Nationally, 47 percent of illegals use welfare; 39 percent use food assistance and 35 percent use Medicaid.

Those are some pretty high percentages.

lynncgb on November 14, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

I continue to be a huge Jindal supporter. I’m still conservative-libertarian. You were sayin…

annoyinglittletwerp on November 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM

You are half- right. Seniors are 10% of the population but account for just over 21% of the 47%. My mistake. (The largest group pay federal taxes at about the same rate as Mitt Romney — a fact that is conveniently forgotten by intellectually dishonesty comm enters like you — but it’s through Social Security and Medicare withholding)

Really, though, “commie?” Me, a home-owning, tax-paying, equity investing middle-aged guy? I think not.

urban elitist on November 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM

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Ok fine. You’re not a commie, you just think and act like one- got it. Mitt Romney pays Capital Gains Taxes- at the same rate as does every other RICH limousine liberal. And yes, he’s not a senior in the 47%. Whoopee. Here’s an idea !! Change the IRS code- use a super majority if need be. oops.

But back to hating the seniors, who built this great country.

Go to you WaPo comrades and check their data out-
Medicare age % of population is 15% not 10%. Do the math with 220 million potential working adults and potential tax payers- and then remove ALL those awful seniors who pay taxes on pensions, annuities and retirement distributions from your 47% smear data- you math does not hold water. And tell your friends Romney was not including the military- as they pay taxes a s well after some credits. Another lefty lie echo chambered to trash a decent man.

But stop regurgitating the liberal parsing and lying. You don’t get to $1 trillion dollar deficits because of Senior Citizens. And yes, they don’t like their country going Euro style Section 8.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM

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