Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

All three are expected to be key players on any immigration-reform negotiations, which are expected to move first in the Senate.

“Everything ought to be on the table,” Hatch said when asked if he’d be willing to negotiate on a comprehensive bill that included a pathway to citizenship.

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“We have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year,” Schumer, who chairs a Judiciary Committee subcommittee on immigration, said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “The Republican Party has learned that being anti-illegal anti-immigrant doesn’t work for them politically.”…

Schumer noted the framework he developed with Graham has four parts. It would strengthen border security and enforcement of immigration laws by toughening punishment for business that hire illegal workers; require fraud-proof Social Security cards to prevent hiring of workers who lack them; create a temporary worker program; and set a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.

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Recall that between 1996 and 2004 the GOP doubled its percentage of the Hispanic vote to more that 40%, culminating in the re-election of George W. Bush, who won Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada—states with fast-growing Hispanic populations that Mitt Romney lost. The notion that Hispanics are “natural” Democrats and not swing voters is belied by this history.

Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to “steal” jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?…

As for the economics, immigration is one reason the U.S. has better prospects than the aging entitlement states of Europe and Japan. America needs immigrants with varying degrees of skill and income for economic growth, and the best way to know how much is to let labor markets determine the flow through flexible visa programs.

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Even if Hispanic voters in Texas went for Obama by a forty-point margin in 2012, however, previous election results in Texas suggest that although the national GOP’s demographic problem is real, it’s not necessarily insuperable. In 2010, for example, Rick Perry won re-election as governor with 38 percent of the Hispanic vote. It’s a salient example: that was only two years ago; the Tea Party movement was already ascendant; Perry had already thrown in with the Tea Party; and Perry is, in most respects, apparently more conservative than Romney…

It is, in other words, possible to conceive of a Republican party that includes conservatives but doesn’t pander to nativists. Such a party would presumably have more success with Hispanic voters than the current iteration, just as a pro-life politician who doesn’t publicly question whether all rapes are “legitimate” ones is probably going to draw more support from women voters than a pro-life politician who does. One thing that is clear from this year’s elections is that Republicans don’t need to win the Hispanic vote to win an election, even in a majority-minority state like Texas. They just need to stop losing it so aggressively.

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In 1984, President Reagan won re-election despite losing Hispanics 2-to-1. In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which both tightened immigration enforcement at the border and granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. In 1988, Hispanics rewarded the Republican party by voting … even more heavily Democratic. President Bush lost Hispanics by 40 points, 70 percent to 30 percent. So much for amnesty as the “single policy change” capable of “fixing the Latino problem.”…

The question is, what happens when they get here? Every amnesty-based proposal to the immigration problem is the essentially the same: a randomly chosen date divides noncitizens, who will be rewarded for illegally entering the United States, from those who didn’t get here illegally soon enough. There simply is no moral or logical reason to reward the first group and punish the second. The moral case for granting citizenship to those in the United States now is just as strong today as it will be for those who enter the country tomorrow. Pretending otherwise, as Krauthammer and Hannity do, only undermines our civil institutions and the rule of law.

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For instance, consider the idea that a softer line on immigration will boost Republicans’ electoral prospects by helping win over Hispanic voters. There’s no doubt that Republicans will have to find a way to improve their standing among this growing demographic group to compete in national elections. But it isn’t necessarily clear that immigration is the answer. According to a Pew Hispanic Center survey released in October, just 34 percent of Latino registered voters considered immigration to be “extremely important” to them. That trailed education (55 percent); jobs and the economy (54 percent); health care (50 percent); the federal budget deficit (36 percent) and barely edged out taxes (33 percent). It’s quite possible, in other words, that Republicans could back some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants, and still find that they don’t improve among this voting bloc. Also, a softer line on immigration could hurt Republicans’ ability to win over working class voters who feel threatened by cheaper labor, and working class voters are a bloc that another contingent of pundits views as crucial to GOP comeback chances.

Further complicating matters is that 51 percent of Hispanics think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases and 47 percent oppose or strongly oppose gay marriage, according to a study by the Public Religion Research Institute. If Republicans take the advice of many and sideline social issues, there could be a subset of socially conservative Hispanics currently voting Republican, who decide they may as well vote for Democrats on the basis of economic issues.

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Had Republicans come out in favor of open borders and blanket amnesty, I doubt that they would have won the Latino vote — much less done much better in a state like California, given that its latest round of steep tax increases (now over 13 percent on top incomes) was widely supported by the so-called Latino community. Pundits can rail about supposedly naïve, out-of-touch Republicans who talked of self-deportation and thereby lost the Latino vote; but one just as easily might have castigated them for decrying out-of-control entitlements and food stamps, predicating legal immigration on education and skills, or criticizing unworkable and discriminatory affirmative-action policies, since these positions are also politicized as anti-Latino dog whistles…

What, then, should Republicans do? Stick to their melting-pot principles and apply them across the board, regardless of race and tribe, emphasizing the content of our characters rather than the color of our skins. Of course, avoid gratuitous polarization and loose talk. Close the border, and invest in the formidable powers of American assimilation, integration, and intermarriage to achieve for a soon-to-be-closed pool of Latinos what it has already done for Japanese and Italians. Consider the DREAM Act only if it is coupled with deportation of many of those who do not meet its requirements and with employer sanctions and border enforcement. A particular Italian-American may sometimes be indistinguishable to the eye from a particular Mexican-American, but the former does not qualify for affirmative action, does not take Italian Studies courses, is not labeled a victimized minority because of ethnic affinity with millions of poor Sicilian newcomers — and is not beholden any longer to the Democratic party.

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The amnesty signed into law by the charismatic and popular President Reagan did not bring Hispanic voters into the Republican party; Republican congressional leaders who believe that sending one to President Obama would redound to their benefit are engaged in a defective political calculus. Nor are Hispanics the only group of voters to consider. Blue-collar whites do not appear to have turned out for Republicans in the usual numbers last week. Support for amnesty will not bring them back. If the policy advanced the national interest, that consideration might not matter. It does when supposed political advantage is the argument for the policy.

The Republican party and the conservative movement simply are not constituted for ethnic pandering, and certainly will not out-pander the party of amnesty and affirmative action. Republicans’ challenge is to convince Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, etc., that the policies of the Obama administration are inimical to their interests as Americans, not as members of any collegium of grievance. That they have consistently failed to do so suggests that Republican leadership is at least as much in need of reform as our immigration code.

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What’s more likely than race to account for Hispanic voting trends is income, a decisive factor in this election. The Obama campaign did a good job of portraying Romney as a Wall Street multimillionaire whose policies would favor the rich. Despite some conservatives’ belief that the Republican Party is capturing blue-collar America, Romney lost decisively among lower-income voters, who continue to vote Democratic in large numbers. Hispanic households fit into this demographic group: on average, their incomes are about 35 percent lower than the national average. Even more to the point is that Romney did terribly among voters who earned less than $50,000 a year, capturing just 38 percent of their votes—and over 60 percent of Hispanic households fit that income profile…

[I]n most cases, income is a far better determinant of voting patterns than race is (blacks are an exception, for historical reasons). The voting of ethnic groups evolves significantly as their incomes change. The ancestors of millions of today’s ethnic voters came to America in the great immigration wave of the early twentieth century and voted reliably Democratic for generations. Over the last 30 years or so, their descendants’ voting allegiances shifted significantly. Many were first attracted to the Republican Party by an optimistic presidential candidate who campaigned on a convincing pro-growth agenda. That won over voters in 1980; it would do so today, too.

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The Republican shortfall with the working class in 2012 was due not simply to the nominee’s personal background but to wider issues with Republican policies. In the wake of a decade of lost economic ground and the near-meltdown of 2008, many non-affluent voters seem to have a deep distrust of the ability of Republican policies to work for them. Romney’s poor showing among this demographic underlines the fact that Republicans have not yet found an antidote to this distrust. Further tax cuts will not counter it, nor will promises to end Obamacare. As Ross Douthat suggested the other day, the concerns of average Americans are not the same today as they were in 1979, so Republican policies will have to change with them. By the end of the campaign, Governor Romney was beginning to tout a more forward-looking economic message, one that emphasized industrial renewal, energy development, and middle-class restoration. It was this message that made the election as close as it became on November 6…

What does not seem so clear, however, is how an expansive legalization of current illegal workers, and the new wave of illegal labor such a legalization would be likely to initiate, could improve the economic prospects of the working class or win them over to the Republican side. There might be other reasons to support an amnesty for illegal immigrants, but hopes that such an amnesty will be an electoral panacea are misguided. Perhaps the most promising strategy for winning over native-born and immigrant voters alike would be for Republicans to put forward policies that speak to the needs of the vast economic middle and of economic strivers of all income levels.

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….another day!…one day at a time!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Rubio, Hatch, McCain…..

GOP voters elect traitors, traitors betray GOP voters……

lather rinse repeat.

When the 2008 Electoral college becomes a fond memory for Republican voters, they’ll have no one but themselves to blame.

Flame on.

rightwingyahooo on November 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM

…yeah it’s all about amnesty…shiny!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Solution to the illegal immigration problem:

Solution:

1. Control the borders.

2. Give the illegal immigrants who are already here work permits only that must be renewed every 5 years but most importantly they should NEVER BE ALLOWED BY LAW TO BECOME US CITIZENS. That is the ultimate price they should pay for breaking the law…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Make them all legal..

Sink this ship faster..

There is no rescue..

Time for some tough love..

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Yeah, that worked so well for the GOP the last times amnesty was given. Let’s try it again. This time it will be different. Really.

/The Stupid Party just doesn’t get it, does it?

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

What? Lindsey Graham wasn’t part of this group of fine republicans?

He must have been busy screwing us on some other issue.

trigon on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I will never, ever vote for a Republican who supports illegal alien amnesty. Any politician who votes for amnesty should be thrown the hell out of office.

Massive illegal alien amnesty is the equivalent of national suicide.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Hi Scrumpy or Lanceman.

Lanceman: If you see Scrumpy tell her I said ‘hey’.
Scrumpy: If you see Lanceman tell him I said ‘hey’.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

….another day!…one day at a time!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Happy Dance :)

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Solution to the illegal immigration problem:
Solution:
1. Control the borders.
2. Give the illegal immigrants who are already here work permits only that must be renewed every 5 years but most importantly they should NEVER BE ALLOWED BY LAW TO BECOME US CITIZENS. That is the ultimate price they should pay for breaking the law…
mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Yes. Exactly.

I also don’t like the idea of children of illegal aliens being born here getting citizenship. But I doubt much can be done about that. Your solutions seem right to me and also should be possible.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Usually one plugs the holes in a sinking ship, instead of worrying about painting the railings so they’ll look pretty.

Secure the border. Then we’ll talk about what happens afterwards.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

The entire R/C contingent, the old farts and the ones on the bench, have lost their minds.

Good night AmeriKa.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I will never, ever vote for a Republican who supports illegal alien amnesty. Any politician who votes for amnesty should be thrown the hell out of office.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Palin wouldn’t…for total amnesty..

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Why the hell does the citizenry elect people to Washington only to have to constantly do battle with them? That, my friends, is what insanity is. I’m sick and tired of sleeping with one eye open because I can’t trust the people who are supposed to have my best interests at heart.

KickandSwimMom on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Welcome to AmeriKa JPeterman and RWM, the legal way, you suckers.

…said with the utmost love and respect.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Just posted this on the Ryan thread, but it has even more application here. I would add that those seeking now a magic fix with those who aren’t going to support conservative principles or a sane Republican Party are tilting toward suicide.

This outreach (read: pandering and begging) concept is taking navel gazing to a new level by all the Rs doing so.

Romney did not lose because he failed to get better numbers from minorities and women. The fact is that 8 million less voters turned out for Obama than in 2008 and about 3 million less voters turned out for Romney than they did for McCain in 2008.

Why? Obama’s relentless personal negative ads and campaign against Romney for months before and after the conventions worked on a number of levels. They and it, quite simply, depressed turnout among soft Rs and Indies, the Team Obama goal, knowing that’s all they had, what with no record or a bad record to defend.

They knew they were going to be substantially down in their own votes and that the negative approach would also depress a lot of their own leaning Indies, too, but they bet that they just needed to depress enough of the soft Romney support to sneak by. Alas, it worked.

I had argued for some time, as I did back in 2008 (although McCain had no chance anyway), that Team Romney should have gone jugular big time at Obama, both in ads and messaging, too, but they chose to go majorly “positive”, worried about losing the softy vote.

You can’t win against a ruthless enemy by playing nice, or by pandering, as many of our so-called conservative pundits and pu*sies are now suggesting, as in amnesty and abortion and you name it.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Make them all legal..
Sink this ship faster..
Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM

All of this “let it burn” and “sink the ship” baloney is so embarrassing and moronic. You people sound like bigger crybabies than the Democrats after 2000 and 2004. Like hell we would ever support letting the country burn while doing nothing.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Create a Statue of Limitations citizenship track:

Register as an undocumented alien with an intent to apply for citizenship, get a government issued work permit good for 7 years. At the end of 7 years, if the UA is still interested in citizenship (and has not committed any disqualifying felonies or misdemeanors) enroll in the naturalization process like everyone else.

Two caveats: No voting rights until citizenship. UA’s who don’t register are ruthlessly deported if discovered.

And draconian fines for uncooperative employers who continue to hire illegals.

And I mean draconian

Bruno Strozek on November 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM

KickandSwimMom on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

From the left to the right they all represent their own fat pockets, not you and your family.

The founders die again, every day. They gave the land such an incredible gift and the land, full of fools, self-destructed all which was good.

She deserves the demise. It is self-inflicted.

Relatively free people always, always, always deserve the gov’t they elect.

See: Russia, Venezuela, Argentina, France and the USA.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I will never, ever vote for a Republican who supports illegal alien amnesty. Any politician who votes for amnesty should be thrown the hell out of office.

Massive illegal alien amnesty is the equivalent of national suicide.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

What if the Republicans offer to give the illegal immigrants a work permit only that can be renewed each 5 years but the most important thing is to never allow them to become US citizens…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Palin wouldn’t…for total amnesty..
Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Of course I would vote for Palin in a heartbeat over any Democrat or Republican who supported amnesty. My issue with Palin in the past was that she likely wouldn’t be that competitive in a general election.

Our representatives in Congress need to hear from us that amnesty is not an option.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

All three are expected to be key players on any immigration-reform negotiations, which are expected to move first in the Senate.

What a saddening list.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Reagan’s Hispanic Vote 1980: 37%
Reagan’s Hispanic Vote 1984: 34%
Reagan Passes Amnesty 1986
Bush Sr Hispanic Vote 1988: 30%

So after Reagan Gave the illegals Amnesty in 1986, The GOP ticket lost 4% two years later in 1988.

You cannot buy the hispanics off with Amnesty.

The GOP will lose more votes from Law abiding voters than they can make up with Pro Amnesty hispanics.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 11:08 PM

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Quit your faux sense of superiority. Just look around.

Wake up and quit lecturing fully sane and independent folks.

Otherwise you become idiotic lester, bifidis, in the middle and sesqui. They are the brainless gnats around here.

Now, you are not them, to be sure. Just make sure you don’t join them.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Yes. Exactly.

I also don’t like the idea of children of illegal aliens being born here getting citizenship. But I doubt much can be done about that. Your solutions seem right to me and also should be possible.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Sorry I did not see your response before I replied to you earlier. I hope that something like this can pass…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Go for it you idiot Republican’s. For every vote that you may think you are buying by going this route of amnesty, you will also be losing millions of votes from those of us who came here legally.

Not a threat, but a promise.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Before you do this, give any state an opt out to become independent first. Cut that deal.

Buddahpundit on November 13, 2012 at 11:09 PM

This Country was built by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS not ILLEGAL ones!
This is not about immigrants. It is about LEGAL IMMIGRATION!
End of story

Delsa on November 13, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

The path to citizenship for illegal immigrants is very bad for our country… Just give them a renewable work permit only but

NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP

….

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Here is a recent post from Michelle Malkin on the topic:

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/12/assimilation-not-amnesty/

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I don’t care how these dishonest people try to dress it up and disguise it – F amnesty!

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Like hell we would ever support letting the country burn while doing nothing.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I can’t stop it from burning.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

See people really need to think about this carefully.

Now, back in the day when a lot of people were moving to the new world, there was a few huge things that were different… I am going to name a few, and if and ONLY IF people who support illegal immigrants would agree to go back and do like they did at that time, I would welcome any immigrant who is law abiding with open arms.

1- You learned how to communicate in English. There was not catering to you if you could not speak it. No one bent over back wards to kiss your backside. You wanted to function you learned to speak the language.

2- Came with what you had, earned what you got. This means you worked. No one gave you free medical, no one gave you food stamps, no one gave you “special” breaks for housing based on immigration status. Goes back to earn what you got.

I really think if you stuck with #2 everything would fall into place and make this a better country that we once were. Heck , I will even go as far as it would fix our little budget problem. I know many people will say this is mean of me to just to kick people off the cliff like this, but if there is no incentive to actually learn the language, or even work to gain stuff… what would be the point in doing so? We do everything backwards….we throw stuff at immigrants meanwhile true Americans need help.

Its a running joke at work … though it is true…. that most of us at work are at a disadvantage because we are white middle aged men.

watertown on November 13, 2012 at 11:11 PM

All of this “let it burn” and “sink the ship” baloney is so embarrassing and moronic. You people sound like bigger crybabies than the Democrats after 2000 and 2004. Like hell we would ever support letting the country burn while doing nothing.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:05 PM

That’s what I thought..

Tough love can’t be done with 30 ObamaPhones in your purse..

These freebees must be removed…

And the direction we are heading..

They will.

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Create a Statue of Limitations citizenship track:

Register as an undocumented alien with an intent to apply for citizenship, get a government issued work permit good for 7 years. At the end of 7 years, if the UA is still interested in citizenship (and has not committed any disqualifying felonies or misdemeanors) enroll in the naturalization process like everyone else.

Two caveats: No voting rights until citizenship. UA’s who don’t register are ruthlessly deported if discovered.

And draconian fines for uncooperative employers who continue to hire illegals.

And I mean draconian…

Bruno Strozek on November 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I like this.

But only to be be enacted AFTER the border is secured. And I mean REAL secure and fully staffed with border guards.

There is no way to deport 15 million people. By registering them, and finding out who is a worker, and who is a mooch/criminal, it would make it easier to deport 3-5 million who are the undesirables.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

The illegals will vote for hand outs IE Democrats!
Legal immigrants do not support amnesty!
This is a lie being perpetrated by idiots upon other idiots!

Delsa on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I will never, ever vote for a Republican who supports illegal alien amnesty. Any politician who votes for amnesty should be thrown the hell out of office.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Passing amnesty may be the impetus needed for a new third party. The Republicans will have proven they are too stupid to be trusted with office.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

“Because they vote. And they will continue to vote against you, especially if you kick their grandmother out.”

So, you want to reward illegal behaviour or be held hostage to lawbreakers?

I swear, if I had known you guys were so easy, I’d never had obeyed the laws. I’d have just overstayed my visa and let Democrats and ERs throw rose petals at my feet while jockeying for my future vote. (sarc)

How is it that the United States has become a country that rewards and beatifies lawbreakers while considering those that obey the law as “mean, greedy, selfish, racist, and hateful”?

I actually know people who are patiently and legally waiting to come to the US and/or become American citizens. Too many Democrats and Republicans would rather reward the lawbreakers than those who are playing by the rules. Obama is always whining that everyone deserves a “fair shot, a fair share and should play by the same rules”…except when they shouldn’t, in his estimation evidently.

What’s next? The children of the middle class telling the GOP that they will never vote Republican unless they get free college educations, jobs for life with a minimum starting salary of $100,000 per year, free housing, free healthcare, free European vacations, free pot, free yachts, free beach houses, etc, etc, etc?

The GOP will never be able to out-pander and out-Santa Claus the Democrats.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

The “undocumented” can get Mexican citizenship if they don’t already have it.

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Lindsey Grahamesty must have gotten a better deal with Schumer..,

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Make them all legal..

Sink this ship faster..

There is no rescue..

Time for some tough love..

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM

…my father came from the Netherlands in 1950…and his sponsor had to post $10,000.00 until he had a full time job and show he was established. My father-in-law came out of Auschwitz weighing 90 pounds and for some reason at that time was admitted here without a bond. But for his new bride…he had to post that same bond for each of her sisters and brothers until they established themselves.
That was a lot of money back then…and they had to go without…(ie: using dresser drawers as cribs for their new babies). They shake their heads in wonder now!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

The land is being sold from the right.

After complete amnesty the R/Cs will get about as many Latino votes as they get black ones, for freeing the blacks and for passing the Civil Rights Act.

Wake up fools.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Will everyone now quit talking about Rubio as if he’s a rising star? He’s the successor to McCain, not Reagan.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I’m watching Farscape on Hulu, for the same reason Bill Clinton has sex with women he’s not married to — because I can — and I just saw a commercial for this: “Little Mosque” — A Hulu Exclusive.

A Muslim comedy.

Huh.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

The Dirty Little “Secret”: The reason that politician supporters of Open Borders want it is so that they and/or their campaign contributors can have serf labor. They would probably prefer actual out-and-out slaves but that is illegal. Open Borders Democrats, like Obama, also want it so that those who are now illegal can become legal and vote for them, if they aren’t voting for them already.

Does anyone think that any of these Open Borders politicians actually care one wit otherwise for the illegals. Does anyone think that any of the Open Borders politicians are going to invite these Mexican Indios and Mezclados to join their elite/exclusive golf clubs? Come to live in their gated communities, other than as servants? Invite them to their yachts, other than as low paid deck hands and/or servants? Invite them to their cocktail parties? Introduce them to their daughters?

The big majority of the Mexicans who have come here/will come here are Indios and Mezclados, not the Spanish descendant fair-skinned ruling class of Mexico. This is a form of ethnic cleansing by Mexico’s ruling class. So these Open Borders politicians are aiding and abetting and facilitating ethnic cleansing. If the U.N. were not such a joke, they would all be standing trial for trying to reintroduce a form of latter-day-slavery in the United States and for the mass ethnic cleansing of Mexico.

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

They shake their heads in wonder now!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Here..here..

I have a similar story of my heritage..

Here’s the thing..

My great, great grandfather came to America with no debt..

My 20 year old daughter is still in college and now has a huge debt today..

And she never did anything to contribute..

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

If we take away the free food, free housing vouchers known as Section 8, WIC, free school, free phones, free health care,and ……
They will go home or better yet, not come here in the first place!
No amnesty and no Citizenship! Period!

Delsa on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Welcome to California everyone…

… Enjoy!

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Go ahead Republicans. Tell us once and for all that our laws are irrelevant, our sovereignty is meaningless.

Never mind. Those of us who live in the real world are dealing with it already. We have for decades.

We pay the price. Politicians just lie – living in their elite world which we pay for.

Bastards.

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Will everyone now quit talking about Rubio as if he’s a rising star? He’s the successor to McCain, not Reagan.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Bingo. He was big on the “hero Libyan rebels” like McCain too. and wanted Obama to do even more for them. Benghazi blood is on his hand too.

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

This…plus, the R/C forget to talk about abiding by the rules/laws and furthering individualism and responsibility/accountability.

May they all go to Hades, from the right first.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Rubio and Jindal can both go to Hell.

So can anyone who found them attractive.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Lindsey Grahamesty must have gotten a better deal with Schumer..,

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Or threatened by the the Obama regime.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

May McCain end up in the same creche room with Harry Reid, soon.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:22 PM

If the GOP thought Republican turnout was low this election, just try “compromising” on illegal immigration and see what happens.

Bah! That’s why I never registered for the “Stupid Party”, they fold like a cheap suit at the first sign of difficulty. Democrats don’t have any principles, but Republicans have principles they only hold to when it’s convenient. What’s the difference?

Socratease on November 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

NATIVIST!!!……AKA Someone that wants to save the country from the food of illegals.

Patriot……aka an America lover who wants to save America from the traitors in Congress.

Possum Holler guilty as charged.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM

The cynical me is thinking that if we’re going to give them all amnesty anyway then lets make some money on the deal. Lets have a lottery! Tickets can be purchased for $1,000 each. We’ll then draw lets say 5 million who will get automatic citizenship. Lets see, if 20-30 million buy a lottery ticket, that’s a hefty chunk of cash that would stay in our own country which we can then use to help pay for the inevitable social services drain that will come after the amnesty.

KickandSwimMom on November 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Lindsey Grahamesty must have gotten a better deal with Schumer..,

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

…that man has personally made me hope there will someday be a ‘conservative’ third party!
The ladies on Hot Air have more testosterone than that man could get from daily supplemental shots from cadaver’s in 50 years!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I only wish my vote was as important to the GOP as illegal aliens.
Fer crissakes we already gave them California and New Mexico.
Ain’t that enough.

NeoKong on November 13, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Or threatened by the the Obama regime.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Graham is a puSSy. He does whatever Mac tells him to do, and he’s a sop for illegals like Bush.

We’re always left waving our hands and saying, “Hey! What about the rest of us”?

No one ever answers.

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Write your members of Congress, legal is one thing, citizenship is another.

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Stupid gringos.

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:27 PM

And draconian fines for uncooperative employers who continue to hire illegals.

And I mean draconian…

Bruno Strozek on November 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The sad truth is that there wouldn’t be many illegal aliens if employers didn’t benefit from their cheap labor.

Gelsomina on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

You have no chance any more GRINGOS. None at all. Your empty strutting peacock, your el Presidente appoints the head of the IRS and is the commander of your armed forces and we now own him. We had to pay him muchos dolares as he is very greedy man and does not seem to think that he can ever have too much money. You are now tostada quemada. What on Earth were you thinking when you elected a traidor as your el Presidente? Were you all completely drunk? Way too much Tequila on election day? And two times? Oh well, your loss, our gain.

Once we get our amnesty, we will all come to your country. We will all have at least 10 ninos with mucho tax credits from you Gringo smucks and in a generation or two we will overwhelm and deport most of you Gringos! We will start with Arizona after your el Presidente moves federal troops there to arrest their governor and Joe Arpaio and hand the deed over to us and then we will move rapido from there all across the rest of your 57 states to take them over too. Some of you, if you learn Spanish real well, we might let you stay to pick our lettuce or mow our lawns or take care of OUR children in what used to be your houses. Those who don’t learn Spanish will be deported to Alaska. That is until Al Gore’s global warming heats things up and we want Alaska too, then we will deport you all to New Orleans. It will probably all be under water by then anyway.

So give it up and LEARN SPANISH! You should probably all buy Mexican flags too and fly them in your front yard and on your pickup trucks. If you already have an American flag there it is alright if you keep it, as long as you fly it upside down and below our great Mexican flag. Now repeat after me – I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Estados Unidos del Mucho Grande Mexico, and to the Republic for which it use to stand, one nation under us, with everything for us, and nothing anymore for you except to pay mucho mucho mucho more taxes for our tax credits. And remember Gringos, APRENDER EL ESPANOL!!!

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Like hell we would ever support letting the country burn while doing nothing.

bluegill on November 13, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Call 911..

Seriously..

I have followed you on HotAir over the past few months..

How do you see how our side can inspire when the dependent party is still being refurbishment with supplies that they never had to break a sweat to produce?

And it goes on…and on…and on…

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

The open borders yet amazingly pro-militarism crowd at the Wall Street Journal is playing a very dangerous game…

You can’t fight wars without nativists.

ninjapirate on November 13, 2012 at 11:29 PM

This Country was built by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS not ILLEGAL ones!
This is not about immigrants. It is about LEGAL IMMIGRATION!
End of story

Delsa on November 13, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The difference between the immigrants who came here 100 years or even 50 years ago is that those immigrants wanted to be Americans.

Nowadays they come to live off the fruits of the American idea, but do not want to be American.

Look at any city with a “little Mexico” and you will see that area is going to ruin.

I see it everyday in my own neighborhood. The Hispanic/Latino (whatever you want to call them) population is growing by leaps and bounds and the community is crumbling.

Jvette on November 13, 2012 at 11:29 PM

VorDaj on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Hadn’t quite thought about it that way, but a good point. Whether it’s real “ethnic cleansing” might be debatable, but the fact is that if we do amnesty or anything like it, the result is “poverty cleansing”, i.e., moving Mexico’s poor off their entitlement system into our own, which is on life support as it is.

The perfect storm … for our complete destruction.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 11:29 PM

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Well I see we have a new troll in our midst.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Passing amnesty may be the impetus needed for a new third party. The Republicans will have proven they are too stupid to be trusted with office.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Indeed

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

For Democrats amnesty represents millions of new, reliable Democrat voters in important states. For the GOP establishment amnesty for illegal aliens, (AKA a Pathway to Citizenship), represents happy cronies with deep pockets.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Ronald Reagan would have no shot of being elected in California because of Ronald Reagan’s amnesty… California is a one party state because of Ronald Reagan’s amnesty.

ninjapirate on November 13, 2012 at 11:31 PM

moving Mexico’s poor off their entitlement system into our own, which is on life support as it is.

The perfect storm … for our complete destruction.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Not only Mexico. The entire world can use Mexico as an illegal gateway. Many already do.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:31 PM

I must have said something really, really bad.

My last post disappeared.

Well, it’s important not to upset anyone especially if they’re illegal.

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Republicans need to emphasize legal immigration too. Make the process easier. Illegals should not be allowed to become citizens. Maybe granted residence status without the right to vote. There’s got to be some penalty. And I’m not talking about some lame a$$ fine either.

Dongemaharu on November 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Hmmm. Huckabee started off talking about the working class only to have Charlie Rose huff and quickly turn the conversation back to immigration.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Passing amnesty may be the impetus needed for a new third party. The Republicans will have proven they are too stupid to be trusted with office.

While there may be room for a 3rd party, democracy will get in the way of it achieving anything…

It’s time to give up on democracy… the game of over… the game is rigged. This is not a call for authoritarianism, it’s a call for organized apathy.

Conservative happy-go-lucky hope and optimism is stupid and self-defeating. People need to start adopting post-American identities.

ninjapirate on November 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Say, do, build, anything worthwhile, and people will show up to take credit for them.

Speakup on November 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

This one?

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:35 PM

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Well I see we have a new troll in our midst.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Nah, just someone having fun, with parody.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:35 PM

The GOP will never be able to out-pander and out-Santa Claus the Democrats.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I agree with you there..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 11:36 PM

I must have said something really, really bad.

My last post disappeared.

Well, it’s important not to upset anyone especially if they’re illegal.

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Comments sometimes disappear if a lot of people are commenting at the same time. It may show up, or not.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:37 PM

The GOP will never be able to out-pander and out-Santa Claus the Democrats.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Give em time. Something tells me 2013 won’t be my year to quit sniffing glue.

arnold ziffel on November 13, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Will everyone now quit talking about Rubio as if he’s a rising star? He’s the successor to McCain, not Reagan.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Who’s been promoting him as that “rising star”? The MSM, no? Enough said.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 11:38 PM

The catapult toward the abyss is inevitable.

Starve the looters. It will make the moochers suffer, in the dark/cold. The looters never look out for anyone but themselves.

Look out for your own and quit agonizing over what is inevitable. The fools of the land want it this way.

Make them suffer.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Let’s not forget that these lawbreakers will be on the Obamacare rolls. There’s going to be a shortage of doctors and hospitals to begin with, but hey, what’s another 30 million people.

Write your members of Congress, legal is one thing, citizenship is another.

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2012 at 11:27 PM

From NumbersUSA today
Our NumbersUSA Hill Team is saying this morning that our closest Republican allies in Congress have every intention of standing firm, but they need your help in convincing other Republicans that they have no reason to be stampeded by an incredibly biased news media into violating their principles on amnesty
.

I would suggest to everyone who opposes amnesty to sign up at NumbersUSA. They have free faxes to send depending on where you live. The only way to stop this is to be heard, like was done in 2006/2007. As was stated earlier, they’ll lose millions of voters for the 3 hispanic votes they get. But go ahead GOP, play out your death wish.

TxAnn56 on November 13, 2012 at 11:39 PM

If the GOP really wanted to appeal to Hispanic voters, American ones, they wouldn’t have disenfranchised so many of them by locking out Ron Paul’s supporters during the primaries. The reason that so many racial minorities support Ron Paul is because of the issues, not because they want amnesty for illegal aliens, which Ron Paul doesn’t support.

This isn’t about appealing to Hispanic voters, they’re going to vote Democrat anyway if nothing else about the Republican Party changes, if they continue to ignore and disenfranchise Ron Paul’s supporters, for example.

GOP support for amnesty is not about attracting Hispanic voters. If they want to attract Hispanic American’s they need to appeal to them on the issues, not by rewarding illegal behavior and creating a new magnet to draw a new wave of illegals to America—which the GOP’s happy cronies will exploit. That’s what it’s really about for most of them.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 11:40 PM

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Well I see we have a new troll in our midst.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Specialized and built for one purpose, too. :) Wild.

You should probably all buy Mexican flags too and fly them in your front yard and on your pickup trucks.

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

If you ever see a Mexican flag on my truck, look for my body. It’s probably somewhere nearby. Take the flag off, and then call my family.

Tell RWM I always loved her. The ammunition can under my bed has no ammunition in it — give that to my son. My antiquarian volumes are also my son’s, but the Dore prints. Sell these and give the procedes to Willis Knighton.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 11:42 PM

This immigration fight will not be like 2006. The democrats are holding all the cards now that the republicans have gone wobbly. Amnesty will pass just as Obamacare passed. The next thing on the agenda will be carbon usage taxes I bet. Geez, it sucks to be us for the next 4 years and probably longer. :(

KickandSwimMom on November 13, 2012 at 11:42 PM

The US may have been built by immigrants, but not by illegal immigrants, and not by immigrants who came here to get other people to support them.

disa on November 13, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM

Comments sometimes disappear if a lot of people are commenting at the same time. It may show up, or not.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Used a bad, moderation word? S.a.s.q.u.a.t.c.h. or something terrible? :)

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 11:44 PM

NoBordersJose on November 13, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Muchas graçias para la verdad, los gringos deben escuchar. (Which means for those wondering, “Apply liberally to affected areas.”)

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I can’t wait for democrats to be fined by the IRS for not insuring themselves..

Bush????

Nope..
King Obama…

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 11:44 PM

The GOP will never be able to out-pander and out-Santa Claus the Democrats.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

This is an example of why I don’t like Rush too much. He doesn’t think about the image of what he says.

Santa Clause is not it. Most folks love Santa and to compare him to the destructive, lying, corrupt, thieving, power grabbing slobs we just elected is absurd.

Rush was fine for the radio show and getting himself repeated but think about our leaders…even concerning the healthcare gift…are you feeling me?

When Santa starts buying gifts with money taken from others, brandishing police and military power, passing new rules hourly to determine everyone who is good or bad, then bribing some boys and girls with special rights, gifts or better yet, victimhood, we can then toss his name on our elected leaders.

Santa is too nice. What do I think?

Anyone see the movie The Getaway? There is an inferior version (1994) with Alec Baldwin playing now on cable.

There is a character named Rudy in the film who kidnaps a wimpy veterinarian and his wife. Well, the President’s constituency is acting like Rudy and the rest of us, Republicans or not, are the lucky husband. It seems apt for the illegals since Rudy was an unwelcome guest, but the style and tenor apply to several groups. The shocking and sickening part was that Rudy had the female’s support. Kinda like the vote.

Giving them what they want will just lead to french fries flying around and other obnoxious behavior.

Thanks for reading, I will now slow down for a week or so.

IlikedAUH2O on November 13, 2012 at 11:45 PM

If the GOP really wanted to appeal to Hispanic voters, American ones, they wouldn’t have disenfranchised so many of them by locking out Ron Paul’s supporters during the primaries.
FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Umm, yeah, I’m sure the hispanic community was all over that.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 11:46 PM

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 11:35 PM

INC on November 13, 2012 at 11:37 PM

I named Graham what he is on this issue (and most) along with McCain and Bush as well for good measure.

Graham is really infuriating, and he’s on of my Senators. Friends of mine tried to fix me up with him at a political gathering years ago. I took one look at him and left…. quickly.

Cody1991 on November 13, 2012 at 11:47 PM

While there may be room for a 3rd party, democracy will get in the way of it achieving anything…

It’s time to give up on democracy… the game of over… the game is rigged. This is not a call for authoritarianism, it’s a call for organized apathy.

Conservative happy-go-lucky hope and optimism is stupid and self-defeating. People need to start adopting post-American identities.

ninjapirate on November 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM

That’s what I thought, too. I would call it the American Biedermeier.

“The restrictive policies led artists and the society in general to concentrate on the domestic and (at least in public) the non-political.
Source

Gelsomina on November 13, 2012 at 11:48 PM

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