Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

All three are expected to be key players on any immigration-reform negotiations, which are expected to move first in the Senate.

“Everything ought to be on the table,” Hatch said when asked if he’d be willing to negotiate on a comprehensive bill that included a pathway to citizenship.

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“We have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year,” Schumer, who chairs a Judiciary Committee subcommittee on immigration, said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “The Republican Party has learned that being anti-illegal anti-immigrant doesn’t work for them politically.”…

Schumer noted the framework he developed with Graham has four parts. It would strengthen border security and enforcement of immigration laws by toughening punishment for business that hire illegal workers; require fraud-proof Social Security cards to prevent hiring of workers who lack them; create a temporary worker program; and set a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.

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Recall that between 1996 and 2004 the GOP doubled its percentage of the Hispanic vote to more that 40%, culminating in the re-election of George W. Bush, who won Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada—states with fast-growing Hispanic populations that Mitt Romney lost. The notion that Hispanics are “natural” Democrats and not swing voters is belied by this history.

Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to “steal” jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?…

As for the economics, immigration is one reason the U.S. has better prospects than the aging entitlement states of Europe and Japan. America needs immigrants with varying degrees of skill and income for economic growth, and the best way to know how much is to let labor markets determine the flow through flexible visa programs.

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Even if Hispanic voters in Texas went for Obama by a forty-point margin in 2012, however, previous election results in Texas suggest that although the national GOP’s demographic problem is real, it’s not necessarily insuperable. In 2010, for example, Rick Perry won re-election as governor with 38 percent of the Hispanic vote. It’s a salient example: that was only two years ago; the Tea Party movement was already ascendant; Perry had already thrown in with the Tea Party; and Perry is, in most respects, apparently more conservative than Romney…

It is, in other words, possible to conceive of a Republican party that includes conservatives but doesn’t pander to nativists. Such a party would presumably have more success with Hispanic voters than the current iteration, just as a pro-life politician who doesn’t publicly question whether all rapes are “legitimate” ones is probably going to draw more support from women voters than a pro-life politician who does. One thing that is clear from this year’s elections is that Republicans don’t need to win the Hispanic vote to win an election, even in a majority-minority state like Texas. They just need to stop losing it so aggressively.

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In 1984, President Reagan won re-election despite losing Hispanics 2-to-1. In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which both tightened immigration enforcement at the border and granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. In 1988, Hispanics rewarded the Republican party by voting … even more heavily Democratic. President Bush lost Hispanics by 40 points, 70 percent to 30 percent. So much for amnesty as the “single policy change” capable of “fixing the Latino problem.”…

The question is, what happens when they get here? Every amnesty-based proposal to the immigration problem is the essentially the same: a randomly chosen date divides noncitizens, who will be rewarded for illegally entering the United States, from those who didn’t get here illegally soon enough. There simply is no moral or logical reason to reward the first group and punish the second. The moral case for granting citizenship to those in the United States now is just as strong today as it will be for those who enter the country tomorrow. Pretending otherwise, as Krauthammer and Hannity do, only undermines our civil institutions and the rule of law.

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For instance, consider the idea that a softer line on immigration will boost Republicans’ electoral prospects by helping win over Hispanic voters. There’s no doubt that Republicans will have to find a way to improve their standing among this growing demographic group to compete in national elections. But it isn’t necessarily clear that immigration is the answer. According to a Pew Hispanic Center survey released in October, just 34 percent of Latino registered voters considered immigration to be “extremely important” to them. That trailed education (55 percent); jobs and the economy (54 percent); health care (50 percent); the federal budget deficit (36 percent) and barely edged out taxes (33 percent). It’s quite possible, in other words, that Republicans could back some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants, and still find that they don’t improve among this voting bloc. Also, a softer line on immigration could hurt Republicans’ ability to win over working class voters who feel threatened by cheaper labor, and working class voters are a bloc that another contingent of pundits views as crucial to GOP comeback chances.

Further complicating matters is that 51 percent of Hispanics think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases and 47 percent oppose or strongly oppose gay marriage, according to a study by the Public Religion Research Institute. If Republicans take the advice of many and sideline social issues, there could be a subset of socially conservative Hispanics currently voting Republican, who decide they may as well vote for Democrats on the basis of economic issues.

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Had Republicans come out in favor of open borders and blanket amnesty, I doubt that they would have won the Latino vote — much less done much better in a state like California, given that its latest round of steep tax increases (now over 13 percent on top incomes) was widely supported by the so-called Latino community. Pundits can rail about supposedly naïve, out-of-touch Republicans who talked of self-deportation and thereby lost the Latino vote; but one just as easily might have castigated them for decrying out-of-control entitlements and food stamps, predicating legal immigration on education and skills, or criticizing unworkable and discriminatory affirmative-action policies, since these positions are also politicized as anti-Latino dog whistles…

What, then, should Republicans do? Stick to their melting-pot principles and apply them across the board, regardless of race and tribe, emphasizing the content of our characters rather than the color of our skins. Of course, avoid gratuitous polarization and loose talk. Close the border, and invest in the formidable powers of American assimilation, integration, and intermarriage to achieve for a soon-to-be-closed pool of Latinos what it has already done for Japanese and Italians. Consider the DREAM Act only if it is coupled with deportation of many of those who do not meet its requirements and with employer sanctions and border enforcement. A particular Italian-American may sometimes be indistinguishable to the eye from a particular Mexican-American, but the former does not qualify for affirmative action, does not take Italian Studies courses, is not labeled a victimized minority because of ethnic affinity with millions of poor Sicilian newcomers — and is not beholden any longer to the Democratic party.

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The amnesty signed into law by the charismatic and popular President Reagan did not bring Hispanic voters into the Republican party; Republican congressional leaders who believe that sending one to President Obama would redound to their benefit are engaged in a defective political calculus. Nor are Hispanics the only group of voters to consider. Blue-collar whites do not appear to have turned out for Republicans in the usual numbers last week. Support for amnesty will not bring them back. If the policy advanced the national interest, that consideration might not matter. It does when supposed political advantage is the argument for the policy.

The Republican party and the conservative movement simply are not constituted for ethnic pandering, and certainly will not out-pander the party of amnesty and affirmative action. Republicans’ challenge is to convince Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, etc., that the policies of the Obama administration are inimical to their interests as Americans, not as members of any collegium of grievance. That they have consistently failed to do so suggests that Republican leadership is at least as much in need of reform as our immigration code.

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What’s more likely than race to account for Hispanic voting trends is income, a decisive factor in this election. The Obama campaign did a good job of portraying Romney as a Wall Street multimillionaire whose policies would favor the rich. Despite some conservatives’ belief that the Republican Party is capturing blue-collar America, Romney lost decisively among lower-income voters, who continue to vote Democratic in large numbers. Hispanic households fit into this demographic group: on average, their incomes are about 35 percent lower than the national average. Even more to the point is that Romney did terribly among voters who earned less than $50,000 a year, capturing just 38 percent of their votes—and over 60 percent of Hispanic households fit that income profile…

[I]n most cases, income is a far better determinant of voting patterns than race is (blacks are an exception, for historical reasons). The voting of ethnic groups evolves significantly as their incomes change. The ancestors of millions of today’s ethnic voters came to America in the great immigration wave of the early twentieth century and voted reliably Democratic for generations. Over the last 30 years or so, their descendants’ voting allegiances shifted significantly. Many were first attracted to the Republican Party by an optimistic presidential candidate who campaigned on a convincing pro-growth agenda. That won over voters in 1980; it would do so today, too.

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The Republican shortfall with the working class in 2012 was due not simply to the nominee’s personal background but to wider issues with Republican policies. In the wake of a decade of lost economic ground and the near-meltdown of 2008, many non-affluent voters seem to have a deep distrust of the ability of Republican policies to work for them. Romney’s poor showing among this demographic underlines the fact that Republicans have not yet found an antidote to this distrust. Further tax cuts will not counter it, nor will promises to end Obamacare. As Ross Douthat suggested the other day, the concerns of average Americans are not the same today as they were in 1979, so Republican policies will have to change with them. By the end of the campaign, Governor Romney was beginning to tout a more forward-looking economic message, one that emphasized industrial renewal, energy development, and middle-class restoration. It was this message that made the election as close as it became on November 6…

What does not seem so clear, however, is how an expansive legalization of current illegal workers, and the new wave of illegal labor such a legalization would be likely to initiate, could improve the economic prospects of the working class or win them over to the Republican side. There might be other reasons to support an amnesty for illegal immigrants, but hopes that such an amnesty will be an electoral panacea are misguided. Perhaps the most promising strategy for winning over native-born and immigrant voters alike would be for Republicans to put forward policies that speak to the needs of the vast economic middle and of economic strivers of all income levels.

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I wish stupidity would hurt at MSNBC.

Are the owners over there not ashamed?

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OT – why would this take months to find out?

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Except Doug Schulman is a Democrat. I guess we were not suppose to remember that.

pat on May 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

David Shuster @DavidShuster
.@SimonTemplarPV Yes he did. It’s absurd. Frustrating to see @msnbc go from “the place for politics” to a place for utter ignorance.1:24 PM – 20 May 2013

He forgot the “g” gutter ignorance.

VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

If I were reporters I’d be worried about the DOJ calling James Rosen a “CO-CONSPIRATOR” for doing his job.

oh, I forgot these clowns on MSNBC are just Obama mouthpieces. Sorry my bad.

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Why are we constantly reminded by the left not to politicize this while they are constantly politicizing it? Good flipping grief.

hillsoftx on May 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Serious palatte cleanser here.

Worth the click.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/meet-cronut-croissant-donut-hybrid-takes-pastry-world-201923707.html?vp=1

and soon to be banned under ObamaCare (except at the White House of course).

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

It is so absurd that even David Shuster is not taking it well.

ojfltx on May 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

You know, smooth out the left-wing dogma regarding the Tea Party and MSNBC might be onto something here!

HitNRun on May 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Even if true it is no less serious.

myiq2xu on May 20, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Except Doug Schulman is a Democrat. I guess we were not suppose to remember that.

pat on May 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

This talking point started at Mother Jones.

Media Matters doesn’t agree.

tetriskid on May 20, 2013 at 6:50 PM

What metal alloy that can be made into a hat signifies lunacy even more than tinfoil?

jon1979 on May 20, 2013 at 6:50 PM

So its Bush’s fault again? Jeez, when will they ever stop? Bush was a mediocre Preezy, but far better than TOTUS.

tommy71 on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Stupidity bred of desperation.

petefrt on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting was originally appointed by bush?

nonpartisan on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Well, while this scenario is obviously utter BS…

It does touch on a sad truth.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 6:52 PM

heh! blue on blue

ted c on May 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Except Doug Schulman is a Democrat. I guess we were not suppose to remember that.

pat on May 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Schulman is a double/triple secret agent that is on a double/triple mission to discredit/credit the dims/Rep/Rep/dims party so both will be put on double secret probation or not and then no one/everybody will know exactly or not what happened or maybe did not happen while exposing/hiding all of the facts or lies as it were. thomas robot.

Or maybe he is just a scumbag dimbocrap.

VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM

It’s clear the Left are in full panick mode; they clearly see that a failed and discredited Obama presidency could hurt their party and Leftist agenda for many years to come. They don’t know what to do, report the news or start covering for him.

Tater Salad on May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Doug Schulman

Actually he did it at the behest of his Jewish masters. Remember, it’s always the Joooooooos!

rbj on May 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM

OT – why would this take months to find out?

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Saw this earlier and wondered the same thing. Leased Navy ship yet no Navy or Coast Guard involvement in the exercise? Who’s driving the ship?

Maybe they have learned to come up with better talking points before releasing information.

CTSherman on May 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

What metal alloy that can be made into a hat signifies lunacy even more than tinfoil?
jon1979 on May 20, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I dunno, but lead is better at blocking radiation rays than aluminum foil (tin foil is too expensive and delicate to make a decent hat)

And a copper or bronze screen is better at blocking radio and other electromagnetic rays.

My personal conspiracy blocking hat is two layers each of lead foil and copper screen. Even that doesn’t work when they focus the rays directly on me. I have a full body suit of the same materials, but it is too heavy and uncomfortable to wear regularly.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I don’t know about you, but I ALWAYS go to a d-cRAT stooge / puppet in the socialist media to learn about the Tea Party, Fox News, the conservative movement, Christianity, Republicans, the US Constitution, patriotism, self-reliance, American values and every other matter of importance. Where else can you get such hilarious, side-splitting, incredibly stupid, nonsensical, inane garbage that even a five year old wouldn’t believe? – (but a low-information/no-information/OBOZO-supporting moron would ! )

TeaPartyNation on May 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Does this country even have a president?
No seriously…

Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

It’s clear the Left are in full panick mode; they clearly see that a failed and discredited Obama presidency could hurt their party and Leftist agenda for many years to come. They don’t know what to do, report the news or start covering for him.

Tater Salad on May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Yeah desperation, panic and the growing knowledge that all his BS caught up with him.

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

MSNBC – going where no moron has dared to go before.

VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Does this country even have a president?
No seriously…

Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Yeah, her name is Valerie.

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Let this be a lesson to all future Republican presidents: Never trust a Democrat, never appoint one to anything in your Administration, and fire those left over from any previous Democrat one.

Liam on May 20, 2013 at 7:00 PM

MSNBC

This is what insane people look like in real time.

Bruno Strozek on May 20, 2013 at 7:00 PM

It’s all Bushes fault

gerrym51 on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Does this country even have a president?
No seriously…

Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

We have a cross between Hitler and Bozo the Clown and Sgt. Schultz.

VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting is a dimbocrap ? was originally appointed by bush?

partisan on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

FTFY

VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting was originally appointed by bush?

nonpartisaned on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Yeh Bush was a Tea Partier.

CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting was originally appointed by bush?

partisan on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Shulman is a Democrat. According to Open Secrets, he donated to the DNC in October of 2004.

Keep Shovelin’…

Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

MSNBC – going where no moron has dared to go before.

VorDaj on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Da da da, da da da da daaahhhhh. Wow I see quite the funny parody there….

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Anyone ELSE notice the blurb at the bottom of the picture stating several Liberal grups were also pinpointed? Yo, MSNBC….. Name em!

Snitchmo on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Wow. Just wow. I am non-plussed.

tru2tx on May 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

After drinking a potion of Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Karl Marx, Bill Ayers, Benito Mussolini, King George III, King Louis XVI and his own creation, Barack Obama is transformed into the cruel, remorseless, pathological, narcissistic, misanthropic, pyromaniac (clinical reference note #1) Herr Hussein, representing the hidden side of Obama’s dual nature brought to the fore. As Barry he has many friends and, with great effort, is able to affect a pleasing personality, but as Herr Hussein he has become more and more fanatical, more and more dictatorial, more and more scape goating, makes ever longer enemies lists, encourages demonization and dehumanizing of political opponents and becomes ever more isolated and fascist like as time goes by as Herr Hussein grows in dominance. After taking this potion repetitively, he now no longer needs to rely upon it to unleash his worst inner fascist demons.

Clinical reference note #1: Such individuals who lack ulterior motive have traditionally been referred to in layman’s terms simply as a variation of a pyromaniac. Most such maniacs lack conscious motivation although they are fully aware of the acts they are failing to stop or they themselves are committing. Typically they will feel intense pleasure, gratification, or relief when causing destruction or when witnessing or participating in the aftermath. Motivation is also classified as pathological and non-pathological. Some research suggests that feeling such joy at horrific situations is pathological. Other research suggests that some motivation for this comes from rational thought. Taking joy in horrific situations for envisioned gains in political power and/or the concealment of the imposition of devious plans are examples of supposed rational decision making.

I must say in conclusion that history has repeatedly and harshly proven that elevating such a profoundly disturbed man to the highest office in any country is never a good idea. Unfortunately it is a lesson that must be learned first hand in every nation and some of those nations survive and some do not

Sigmund on May 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

So if 501(c)(4)s receive a “subsidy” from the government, then don’t 501(c)(3)s like Planned Parenthood, Media Matters, and the NAACP receive a double subsidy?

blammm on May 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Yeah, her name is Valerie.

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Forgot about her..

Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Does this country even have a president?
No seriously…
Electrongod on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

No.
But it does have a pResident.
That should be enough for anyone.
…………………………..

Evil America doesn’t deserve anyone as good and smart as 0bama.
/HA_troll on any day at anytime

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:03 PM

The logic is ironclad and inexorable..

The only missing piece is the role Darth Cheney played. Because, of course, he must be involved in some way.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Having this guy be a Bush appointee is big on the left blogs. Now he might have been put in by Bush but if O wanted to he could have replaced him. It was not like he was there and nothing O could do. But maybe O was not told that this guy was there as no one tell him anything.

tjexcite on May 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Funny story… Mother Jones is a publication of a 501(c)(3).

blammm on May 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting was originally appointed by bush?

nonpartisaned on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Yeh and he’s still President too!!

CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Sigmund on May 20, 2013 at 7:02 PM

You left out Frank Marshal Davis, his earliest indoctrinator, and possible sperm donor.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Having this guy be a Bush appointee is big on the left blogs. Now he might have been put in by Bush but if O wanted to he could have replaced him. It was not like he was there and nothing O could do. But maybe O was not told that this guy was there as no one tell him anything.

tjexcite on May 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Shhhhh you’re not allowed to tell people that.
/

CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Having this guy be a Bush appointee is big on the left blogs.

tjexcite on May 20, 2013 at 7:04 PM

So is getting rid of the 1st amendment.

So what?

These are the same creeps cheering the criminalization of journalism.

Americans shouldn’t really listen to what liberals say.

tetriskid on May 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Maybe the IRS commissioner appointed by Bush targeted tea partiers because they’re a threat to the GOP

I had to read that 3 times. Wait, what? It sounds like an Onion headline. Are you sure it isn’t an Onion headline? It’s hilarious.

scalleywag on May 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

possible sperm donor.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Nonpartisaned is taking donations.

CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

James Taranto’s “Best of the Web” column today is a keeper. He could teach a number of the talking heads a thing or two about logic and critical thinking.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324787004578494961837484232.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

onlineanalyst on May 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Liberal media demagoguery enabled both this president and his lackeys to single out American citizens for discrimination and state-sanctioned thuggery.

I can see why they want to play “blame the victim” here.

StubbleSpark on May 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I have a full body suit of the same materials, but it is too heavy and uncomfortable to wear regularly.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I think all dimbocraps shoud wear 30 lb. lead hats.

VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Uhm yea that what happened

Conservative4ev on May 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Nonpartisaned your lover is a failed executive. Live with it.

CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Nonpartisaned is taking donations.
CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Only when he can push libfleeorlie out of the way.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:11 PM

I think all dimbocraps shoud wear 30 lb. lead hats.
VegasRick on May 20, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Dropped onto their heads from 10,000 ft.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

So they also show the line at the bottom of the screen about libs being targeted. So by THEIR thinking this guy targeted both sides. SO all is good I guess. Not sure then what the Bush connection has to do with anything.
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CW on May 20, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Yeah sure, the people that are working hard and spending their money to get the GOP elected — are a threat to the GOP!!

Makes perfect sense in the liberal mind.

Axion on May 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Yeah, her name is Valerie.

dogsoldier on May 20, 2013 at 6:59 PM

We are being ruled by Hussein’s lady part :O

burrata on May 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM

BTW, that Bush appointed him means nothing.

Bush, and other GOP Presidents, have made what turned out to be some terrible appointments.

Going back to Bush I, David Souter.

GWB’s first press secretary, McClellan, betrayed him in his tell all book.

Going beyond Presidential appointments, look at some of the people who once called themselves Republicans, such as David Brock.

How about John Roberts and his ruling on Obamacare?

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Narcissists are incapable of accepting responsibility.

John the Libertarian on May 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

wait, so the IRS commish who started this tea party targeting was originally appointed by bush?

nonpartisaned on May 20, 2013 at 6:51 PM

He donated to the DNC when Bush was President.

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Paranoia strikes liberal journalists…again. Why are they so afraid of the GOP and the Tea Party and Patriots? It’s more than fear, it’s like they’re terrified of them. They act like citizens facing a zombie attack!

scalleywag on May 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Just one time when one of these MSNBC kooks make an insane comment I’d like to see a giant anvil drop on their head – like in a Wylie coyote cartoon.

fogw on May 20, 2013 at 7:19 PM

How about John Roberts and his ruling on Obamacare?
farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Anyone who spends more than a few minutes to a few years, (depending on how deeply held their original beliefs) becomes infected.

Kinda like ‘Raccoon City’.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM

@thomasaroberts <— Tinfoil hat wearer

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Congress in 1998 wrote into law that an IRS commissioner must “have a demonstrated ability in management” – demanding that corporate-style experience in organisation be part of the job qualifications.

This requirement could eliminate from contention many tax lawyers such as those who filled the job in past decades.

Politically, the IRS chief needs bipartisan support in Congress to be confirmed. Former IRS commissioner Shulman was a Democrat appointed by Republican President George W. Bush.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/16/uk-usa-irs-chief-idUKBRE94F10X20130516

He targeted Tea Party groups because he was a DEMOCRAT.

Fallon on May 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

They act like citizens facing a zombie attack!
scalleywag on May 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Heh. But I think you got it backwards. ;-)

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/meet-cronut-croissant-donut-hybrid-takes-pastry-world-201923707.html?vp=1

and soon to be banned under ObamaCare (except at the White House of course).

PappyD61 on May 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Just because it’s ” French ” ??
American solution :
1. Go to your local grocery store and go to the frozen section
2. Find yourself them blue cans of ” flaky layers butter tastin biscuit dough”
3. Heat oil, open can, get the dough out.
4. Make a hole in the middle of eash biscuit using a finger.
4. Deep fry.
5. Decorate and fill with more sugar and pastry cream

burrata on May 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Why do I think there might be a teensy chance that Karl Rove may have done this.

Valiant on May 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

This idiot surely has an IQ less than the sum of his digits.

rplat on May 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Anyyyyhooooo…when are the pics of Lyin king and his courtiers watching OK tornado on TV in the Situation Room, coming out ?

burrata on May 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM

He targeted Tea Party groups because he was a DEMOCRAT.

Fallon on May 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Did the the brain trust as MSDNC think no one would notice that Schulman was a Democrat?

Some heads may be about to explode over there.

farsighted on May 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Can the MSNBCers get any more stupid?

sadatoni on May 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM

MSM will keep trying until the sheet sticks to someone expendable.

Republicans in Congress knew about this before the election. Guaranteed a bunch of RINOs were pleased to hear less squealing from the Tea Party clingers. IMHO they didnt try hard to help the Tea Party element last year. I believe some of the Nellies even feared if they stepped up for the Tea Party, they would lose that new mysterious swing vote that never happened

However, the brass knuckles from IRS were administered by Obama

This year, RINOs didnt want Tea Party around either, because they had an amnesty to shove. Rubio morphed from Tea Party impersonator, to Gang member on cue in the SOTU address, and it was going gangbusters.

Obama had the IRS leaked on purpose – not to the GOP in Congress who already knew- but to the MSM, and he stoked the MSM by leaking the AP zinger. He took the Benghzai Whistleblower story right off page 1. The Benghazi hearings were looking like Mr Smith Goes to Washington.

And, as Rush said, the Tea Party massacre scared the sheet out of the big GOP donors. Unless donors get confidence that Obama cannot keep doing this, Obama will shut down the opposition

There is an election coming. The RINOs think amnesty will win the Senate (LOL). Obama thinks a dead duck tea party will win him the House

To scare the monkey, kill the chicken.

entagor on May 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

scalleywag on May 20, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Have you no sense?

That ain’t the MSNBC crew!

The XVth International Clown Convention in Mexico City?

Why MSNBC doesn’t have that much of a budget and, even if they did their guys would be so far gone on all the weed and Yale they could buy that they wouldn’t be standing.

Them folks are Obama ’12 campaign workers on a field trip!

The ’08 unit was put immediately to work fixin’ the American people up so they had no trip.

IlikedAUH2O on May 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Well I’ve been hearing that from folkz HERE, so let’s not laugh at MSLSD too much…

I’d point to Entagor as proof of my assertion.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM

entagor on May 20, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I can’t disagree with any of that.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Shulman is a Democrat. According to Open Secrets, he donated to the DNC in October of 2004.

Keep Shovelin’…

Del Dolemonte on May 20, 2013 at 7:01 PM

That’s been out a couple of days, he gave massively to the democrats.. thousands..

a career IRS employee name on a list when they were filling slots, and apparently,

Lesson learned, there are no fair minded career government employees, they are all hostile to the right and center, without exception. Ideologues just waiting for a nudge and wink to set up camps and ovens… “well, they told me too”…

Not just Obama, but the entire federal employee union needs to answer for what they’ve done.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 7:41 PM

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM

But it makes us feel better. Kinda of like the German Army in Nov. 1918, “we didn’t lose, the Government stabbed us in the back!” (Which later transmogrified into the Jooos stabbed us in the back.)

It’s not Entagor’s fault that s/he doesn’t hold a majority in the US House; it’s those dirty ole’ RINO’s. They and the Demon-rats (TM) have colluded/conspired to “stab us in the back.”

It’s easier to buy that than to say, that changing public opinion and the operating paradigm of your political institutions takes years of hard work and so we have decades of work ahead of us. No better to say, “We wuz robbed.”

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Well I’ve been hearing that from folkz HERE, so let’s not laugh at MSLSD too much…
I’d point to Entagor as proof of my assertion.
JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:36 PM

So, are you saying that the GOP-E doesn’t despise the TEA Party faction, Or what?

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Why do I think there might be a teensy chance that Karl Rove may have done this.

Valiant on May 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Unless you’re being sarcastic…

Probably because you are wearing Thomas Roberts’ tinfoil hat.

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 7:47 PM

So, are you saying that the GOP-E doesn’t despise the TEA Party faction, Or what?

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I’m saying it’s IRRELEVANT…I doubt Humphrey liked the Hippies and McGovern in 1968, but it didn’t matter they didn’t have any power.

It took the McGovern Wing 40 years to secure the control of the Democratic Party….

You TEA Party folkz might want to note that.

The GOP-E, whomsoever that is, may not “like” you, but they sure as H3ll want your vote and your support….so get some votes, get some power, get some votes, put people into office and you get a seat at the table. Right now, you don’t have 50%=1 of the Republican Caucus, so you don’t get to set the terms of the debate.

And rather than whine and moan about unfairness or how “they” are out to get you, you need to change that….

You need to become the TEA Party Tom Hayden’s….he and McGovern did far more to make the Democratic Party what it is, than any number of Hippies, Yippies, Bill Ayers, or Abbie Hoffmans.

So get your comfy shoes on and get out and ORGANIZE!

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I hope they put their tinfoil caps on with a nailgun..

MSNBC has become a vile embarrassment.. and the presidents base just loves it.

mark81150 on May 20, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Doug Shulman is a Democrat. This is a systemic problems with Democrats generally.

Old school Democrats should be disgusted at what their party has become.

crosspatch on May 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

“Just when I think I’m out,they pull me back in”-The Chicken

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on May 20, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I’m not saying I agree with this take, but there is NO doubt the GOP still is threatened by the Tea Party.

Horace_Kent on May 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Why do I think there might be a teensy chance that Karl Rove may have done this.

Valiant on May 20, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Yeah because Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove WANT to be in the Minority…because the pickings are so great.

The people who LIKE being in the minority are Libertarians and folks who vote for Virgil Goode…those people LOVE being in the minority! They don’t have to actually DO ANYTHING, just tell you what OUGHT to be done, or what their candidate WOULD HAVE done…if s/he hadn’t gotten fewer votes than say the Green Party candidate.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:59 PM

w o w.

Axe on May 20, 2013 at 8:05 PM

So get your comfy shoes on and get out and ORGANIZE!
JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Yeah, Fine.

(GOP-E can be considered to be the GOP Elite, or the GOP Washington Establishment)

But to ignore the realities,… Well, it seems to me like you want TEA party people to embrace the GOP-E faction, …
Personally, I’d rather face a declared enemy than one who pretends to be on the same side, but sabotages your efforts whenever they can,
It is hardly irrelevant.

Sorry for rambling. I have to get on the road, I’m late as it is.

LegendHasIt on May 20, 2013 at 8:09 PM

My uncle was appointed to a position in a fed bureaucracy by Bush. He was previously passed over for this position by Clinton. He is a raving rabid lefty, and as much as he wanted the promotion he HATED that he got the appointment from Bush.

bitsy on May 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

ouch when you lose shuster

poor msdnc idiots

cmsinaz on May 20, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Well, it seems to me like you want TEA party people to embrace the GOP-E faction, …

I don’t know Adams and Franklin embraced the South, even though they opposed Slavery…Roosevelt embraced Southern (Racist) Democrats and N3groes….

I guess they wanted WIN more than you do…..you, want to be right, or you want to be TRIUMPHANT. Well buddy you won’t live to see it, unless you are in your 20′s right now.

You’ll be lucky if you see the TEA Party’s “Great Society”, which occurred 32 years after the first big Democratic/Progressive victory in ’32.

You realize that the Hippies despised people like Tom Hayden and the Democrats, because sell-outs, right? In the end, the Hippies, in the form of Hayden, Pelosi, and Waxman did more to advance the Left’s Causes than any number of avowed Leftists.

JFKY on May 20, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Pics of the Day: Meet ‘Mr Balls’

Resist We Much on May 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM

damn it, resist. :)

Axe on May 20, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Riiiight… just like Bush appointed Richard Armitage to get rid of Lewis Libby…

de rigueur on May 20, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Hmm, maybe, I guess we’ll need a special prosecutor for sure now to get to the bottom of this.

Buddahpundit on May 20, 2013 at 8:22 PM

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