Quotes of the day

posted at 10:52 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), three key Republican players on immigration, told The Hill they’re ready to start working on broad-based reforms next year that could include a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the United States.

All three are expected to be key players on any immigration-reform negotiations, which are expected to move first in the Senate.

“Everything ought to be on the table,” Hatch said when asked if he’d be willing to negotiate on a comprehensive bill that included a pathway to citizenship.

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“We have a darned good chance using this blueprint to get something done this year,” Schumer, who chairs a Judiciary Committee subcommittee on immigration, said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “The Republican Party has learned that being anti-illegal anti-immigrant doesn’t work for them politically.”…

Schumer noted the framework he developed with Graham has four parts. It would strengthen border security and enforcement of immigration laws by toughening punishment for business that hire illegal workers; require fraud-proof Social Security cards to prevent hiring of workers who lack them; create a temporary worker program; and set a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.

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Recall that between 1996 and 2004 the GOP doubled its percentage of the Hispanic vote to more that 40%, culminating in the re-election of George W. Bush, who won Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada—states with fast-growing Hispanic populations that Mitt Romney lost. The notion that Hispanics are “natural” Democrats and not swing voters is belied by this history.

Equally specious is the argument that Latino immigrants come here, often illegally, to “steal” jobs or to go on the dole. If illegal aliens are displacing natives in the labor force, why was there more immigration and less unemployment under President Bush? And if foreign nationals are primarily attracted to our welfare state, how to explain the fact that low-income immigrants are less likely to be receiving public benefits than low-income natives?…

As for the economics, immigration is one reason the U.S. has better prospects than the aging entitlement states of Europe and Japan. America needs immigrants with varying degrees of skill and income for economic growth, and the best way to know how much is to let labor markets determine the flow through flexible visa programs.

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Even if Hispanic voters in Texas went for Obama by a forty-point margin in 2012, however, previous election results in Texas suggest that although the national GOP’s demographic problem is real, it’s not necessarily insuperable. In 2010, for example, Rick Perry won re-election as governor with 38 percent of the Hispanic vote. It’s a salient example: that was only two years ago; the Tea Party movement was already ascendant; Perry had already thrown in with the Tea Party; and Perry is, in most respects, apparently more conservative than Romney…

It is, in other words, possible to conceive of a Republican party that includes conservatives but doesn’t pander to nativists. Such a party would presumably have more success with Hispanic voters than the current iteration, just as a pro-life politician who doesn’t publicly question whether all rapes are “legitimate” ones is probably going to draw more support from women voters than a pro-life politician who does. One thing that is clear from this year’s elections is that Republicans don’t need to win the Hispanic vote to win an election, even in a majority-minority state like Texas. They just need to stop losing it so aggressively.

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In 1984, President Reagan won re-election despite losing Hispanics 2-to-1. In 1986, Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which both tightened immigration enforcement at the border and granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants. In 1988, Hispanics rewarded the Republican party by voting … even more heavily Democratic. President Bush lost Hispanics by 40 points, 70 percent to 30 percent. So much for amnesty as the “single policy change” capable of “fixing the Latino problem.”…

The question is, what happens when they get here? Every amnesty-based proposal to the immigration problem is the essentially the same: a randomly chosen date divides noncitizens, who will be rewarded for illegally entering the United States, from those who didn’t get here illegally soon enough. There simply is no moral or logical reason to reward the first group and punish the second. The moral case for granting citizenship to those in the United States now is just as strong today as it will be for those who enter the country tomorrow. Pretending otherwise, as Krauthammer and Hannity do, only undermines our civil institutions and the rule of law.

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For instance, consider the idea that a softer line on immigration will boost Republicans’ electoral prospects by helping win over Hispanic voters. There’s no doubt that Republicans will have to find a way to improve their standing among this growing demographic group to compete in national elections. But it isn’t necessarily clear that immigration is the answer. According to a Pew Hispanic Center survey released in October, just 34 percent of Latino registered voters considered immigration to be “extremely important” to them. That trailed education (55 percent); jobs and the economy (54 percent); health care (50 percent); the federal budget deficit (36 percent) and barely edged out taxes (33 percent). It’s quite possible, in other words, that Republicans could back some form of amnesty for illegal immigrants, and still find that they don’t improve among this voting bloc. Also, a softer line on immigration could hurt Republicans’ ability to win over working class voters who feel threatened by cheaper labor, and working class voters are a bloc that another contingent of pundits views as crucial to GOP comeback chances.

Further complicating matters is that 51 percent of Hispanics think abortion should be illegal in most or all cases and 47 percent oppose or strongly oppose gay marriage, according to a study by the Public Religion Research Institute. If Republicans take the advice of many and sideline social issues, there could be a subset of socially conservative Hispanics currently voting Republican, who decide they may as well vote for Democrats on the basis of economic issues.

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Had Republicans come out in favor of open borders and blanket amnesty, I doubt that they would have won the Latino vote — much less done much better in a state like California, given that its latest round of steep tax increases (now over 13 percent on top incomes) was widely supported by the so-called Latino community. Pundits can rail about supposedly naïve, out-of-touch Republicans who talked of self-deportation and thereby lost the Latino vote; but one just as easily might have castigated them for decrying out-of-control entitlements and food stamps, predicating legal immigration on education and skills, or criticizing unworkable and discriminatory affirmative-action policies, since these positions are also politicized as anti-Latino dog whistles…

What, then, should Republicans do? Stick to their melting-pot principles and apply them across the board, regardless of race and tribe, emphasizing the content of our characters rather than the color of our skins. Of course, avoid gratuitous polarization and loose talk. Close the border, and invest in the formidable powers of American assimilation, integration, and intermarriage to achieve for a soon-to-be-closed pool of Latinos what it has already done for Japanese and Italians. Consider the DREAM Act only if it is coupled with deportation of many of those who do not meet its requirements and with employer sanctions and border enforcement. A particular Italian-American may sometimes be indistinguishable to the eye from a particular Mexican-American, but the former does not qualify for affirmative action, does not take Italian Studies courses, is not labeled a victimized minority because of ethnic affinity with millions of poor Sicilian newcomers — and is not beholden any longer to the Democratic party.

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The amnesty signed into law by the charismatic and popular President Reagan did not bring Hispanic voters into the Republican party; Republican congressional leaders who believe that sending one to President Obama would redound to their benefit are engaged in a defective political calculus. Nor are Hispanics the only group of voters to consider. Blue-collar whites do not appear to have turned out for Republicans in the usual numbers last week. Support for amnesty will not bring them back. If the policy advanced the national interest, that consideration might not matter. It does when supposed political advantage is the argument for the policy.

The Republican party and the conservative movement simply are not constituted for ethnic pandering, and certainly will not out-pander the party of amnesty and affirmative action. Republicans’ challenge is to convince Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, etc., that the policies of the Obama administration are inimical to their interests as Americans, not as members of any collegium of grievance. That they have consistently failed to do so suggests that Republican leadership is at least as much in need of reform as our immigration code.

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What’s more likely than race to account for Hispanic voting trends is income, a decisive factor in this election. The Obama campaign did a good job of portraying Romney as a Wall Street multimillionaire whose policies would favor the rich. Despite some conservatives’ belief that the Republican Party is capturing blue-collar America, Romney lost decisively among lower-income voters, who continue to vote Democratic in large numbers. Hispanic households fit into this demographic group: on average, their incomes are about 35 percent lower than the national average. Even more to the point is that Romney did terribly among voters who earned less than $50,000 a year, capturing just 38 percent of their votes—and over 60 percent of Hispanic households fit that income profile…

[I]n most cases, income is a far better determinant of voting patterns than race is (blacks are an exception, for historical reasons). The voting of ethnic groups evolves significantly as their incomes change. The ancestors of millions of today’s ethnic voters came to America in the great immigration wave of the early twentieth century and voted reliably Democratic for generations. Over the last 30 years or so, their descendants’ voting allegiances shifted significantly. Many were first attracted to the Republican Party by an optimistic presidential candidate who campaigned on a convincing pro-growth agenda. That won over voters in 1980; it would do so today, too.

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The Republican shortfall with the working class in 2012 was due not simply to the nominee’s personal background but to wider issues with Republican policies. In the wake of a decade of lost economic ground and the near-meltdown of 2008, many non-affluent voters seem to have a deep distrust of the ability of Republican policies to work for them. Romney’s poor showing among this demographic underlines the fact that Republicans have not yet found an antidote to this distrust. Further tax cuts will not counter it, nor will promises to end Obamacare. As Ross Douthat suggested the other day, the concerns of average Americans are not the same today as they were in 1979, so Republican policies will have to change with them. By the end of the campaign, Governor Romney was beginning to tout a more forward-looking economic message, one that emphasized industrial renewal, energy development, and middle-class restoration. It was this message that made the election as close as it became on November 6…

What does not seem so clear, however, is how an expansive legalization of current illegal workers, and the new wave of illegal labor such a legalization would be likely to initiate, could improve the economic prospects of the working class or win them over to the Republican side. There might be other reasons to support an amnesty for illegal immigrants, but hopes that such an amnesty will be an electoral panacea are misguided. Perhaps the most promising strategy for winning over native-born and immigrant voters alike would be for Republicans to put forward policies that speak to the needs of the vast economic middle and of economic strivers of all income levels.

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Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

So says the Lib whose administration has provided 94 of 25,000 documents and whose one same Ms Nuland has uttered “do we want Congress knowing we didn’t heed warnings”….golf clap.

hillsoftx on May 17, 2013 at 8:20 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Gibber all you want, bubi.

You have NO credibility around here.

But I do see you constantly defending yourself. That tells me a lot, because I have seen you so many times and for so long.

The people here who rise against you aren’t at fault, no matter what you think of your pitiful self.

We rise against you because YOU ARE YOU.

End of story there, whether you like it or not.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Scum or otherwise, there is nothing ‘pure’ about a liberal.

While I agree with you in full, I find liberals to always be tainted somehow.

+100 to you

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM

tainted” “pure scum”? haha I know what you mean, though. :)

This is the kind of immoral, unintentionally comedic mental case who should be only ignored or mocked here:

I’m probably more christian than anyone here.

HotAirLib on May 16, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Unspiritual d-bags like HAL are like the Jews who thought they were more Jewish & closer to God than Jesus Himself while they were pressuring Pilate to crucify Him.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Republicans must guard against the temptation to count on scandal to deliver election victories in 2014 and 2016.

Perhaps you confuse a mere political scandal with clear evidence of widespread oppressive intimidation and law breaking by an calloused all powerful government with a “mere” scandal?

The idiots understand fear easily enough. Therefore, it is the GOP’s role to help them to start shaking deep inside over this abuse that our forefather’s knew would come from only from our own government.
Follow the Chicago way and double down on this perfect opportunity to rid our nation of the evil called Godless liberalism as government. It is anything but “just a scandal.” It is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:27 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

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“These guys are awfully frustrated right now,” Carville said, referring to the GOP. “They’re taking the anger out, and I understand that. I think the White House has just go to live with this for 30 days, get the truth out and you know, just roll with the punches here. They’re down to swinging pretty wildly here.”

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Historically speaking, now would be about the right time for Obama and company to stage a false flag operation/Reichstag fire episode. Hopefully he or Jarrett and company won’t go after Michelle, for whom I am feeling some small amount of sympathy.
I think that I put my tinfoil hat on a bit too tight today.

justltl on May 17, 2013 at 8:37 AM

No, they are not decent people. They are either defending the actions this administration has taken or even gloating over the fact that they so effectively subdued the TP and are getting away with it.

I used to think that some of the comments about reeducation camps and such nonsense were the stuff of tin foil brigades. Fun to joke about, but far-fetched. These days, I just don’t know. I think they’re capable of anything.

hawkdriver on May 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM

To successfully implement a working Gulag system geography is a consideration?

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Hold on tight to that thread. I’m sure it’ll support your weight.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/05/14/The-White-House-s-New-Game-The-Benghazi-Emails-Were-Doctored

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I disagree: this is just starting. The GOP is just getting on top of this issue, and the media is just now getting around to paying attention to it. Sekulow has 15 to 25 clients already. People–small businesses and individuals–are now coming out of the woodwork in addition to these tea party groups.

Look, liberals (see that Jon Stewart video) are exasperated by all this. I’m sure that liberals like some of the Morning Joe panels are just p*ssed that the IRS got caught. But non-ideologues will not go for seeing individuals, businesses, and legitimate charities harrassed by the IRS. I really do think that this is a solid 60% outrage issue, with another 10% to 20% knowing it’s dead wrong but not voicing an opinion because–whatever their issue–they can’t side with conservatives. That leaves the crazy 20% who who believe the only problem is that the IRS got caught.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Why do I suspect that if he were around in 1941, that he’d be directing the Zeros to their targets? What total lack of moral character.

Don L on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Yep, and I admit I find it very cute when they project that deficiency onto Repubs, as though we are just as amoral as they are.

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Yeah, I was going to say that I’d read that almost as soon as libs were dancing on tables, that lame WH effort had already been debunked by the very emails they distributed.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

the IRS should be sued in the most public manner possible.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Oh, how that would educate the people. Not gonna happen.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

There are a few class action suits against the IRS in the works. The number of lawsuits will likely increase as more information comes forward…

“Earlier this morning, several members of the Kentucky 9/12 Project, the Richmond Tea Party, and Ohio Liberty met with the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) in Washington, DC, to discuss plans for civil suits against the IRS for the admitted intimidation and targeting they received after applying for tax exempt status…”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/16/some-conservatives-targeted-by-irs-say-they-plan-on-filing-civil-suit-against-irs/

And there’s one class action filed for theft of records

“What happens when a fundamentally flawed entitlement program that threatens to usurp one sixth of the U.S. economy runs up against a scandal involving the government’s second most powerful enforcement agency? The answer is a class-action lawsuit filed by a California HMO alleging that 60 million medical records from 10 million patients were stolen by the IRS.

Healthcare IT News (via Courthouse News Service) writes that an unnamed HIPAA-covered entity in the Golden State is bringing the action against 15 IRS agents. “The personal health information seized on March 11, 2011, included psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual/drug treatment and other medical treatment data….”

http://libertyunyielding.com/2013/05/15/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-irs-over-theft-of-60-million-medical-records/

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

It still doesn’t work. Go to mi site or Instapundit to get the link.

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

They are extremely stupid when it comes to understanding their own psychology, let alone when it comes to understanding how others’ minds work.

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Agreed…These are the actions of the Self-Centered.

The problem is that many old school liberals are in utter denial as to the hijacking of their agenda by Progressive Totalitarian Leftists (Operating using the tools of Fascism).

These old school liberals cling to their denial because the cognitive dissonance is too painful psychologically,intellectually and emotionally.

I spent some time reading and commenting at some liberal blogs during the 07′ – 08′ primary season…and it was evident the generational and ideological divide between conventional Bluedogs and Progressives.

I did this because I was curious to see how Obama’s divide and conquer strategy within his own party was effecting the Bluedogs v Progressives.

At the time I was completing a political series and was adding the responsive activity of New Media into the work…So it was research really to add heft to the series.

This became especially clear with the old school feminists who supported Hillary Clinton and then were divided ideologically with the media treatment of Sarah Palin. Some are disillusioned by the revelation of their corrupt fallen heroine Hillary Clinton.
Personally I have little sympathy but I understand it.

What I saw was that many of these old school liberal folks assumed a kind of protective psychological helmet that blinded them to what they knew was a clear Fascist agenda working within their midst…They became the most confused lot I’ve ever seen.

I got booted off a lot of blogs…My crime was using logic and asking questions about the obvious shifts in politics/philosophy that became fluid to meet whatever objective was necessary. All politicians have feet of Clay.

It was interesting…Quite the education.

When I was an undergraduate in the mid-1980′s we had a great government professor…He was an excellent rhetorician. He warned us about Socialist/Fascism and the mechanics of it’s implementation. There is little difference in either philosophy or mechanic since both tenets achieve the same goal…Totalitarianism.

What I learned both as a student in college…and in life is that Fascism can creep into any culture when people get lazy.

The sheeple citizenry become content with Bread & Circuses.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Ok well try again:

Old Country Boy on May 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Here ya go…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/

WAPO also has a link for another map on ethnic diversity.

According to their conclusions the US is in the middle when it comes to ethnic diversity because the wealthier the nation the less ethnically diverse.

I find this conclusion spurious…likely due to the definition of ethnicity they are using since most of the countries in Africa and the Middle East are deemed more ethnically diverse than the US.

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Why are the GOP straight up *inventing* State Department e-mails out of thin air? What possible purpose could it serve?

libfreeordie on May 17, 2013 at 7:18 AM

…new name!…dumbphuckordie !

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Anti-Control on May 17, 2013 at 5:09 AM

Because it’s target practice… allowing us to sharpen our skills on their strawman corpses before engaging in dialog that really matters… with our friends and relatives that don’t know any of this is going on, but were still Democrat supporters.

I know that the debating practice spent with these morons have made me a better debater with those who do matter. Without them constantly falling on my sword, I wouldn’t know how to handle my “rapier wit” to most effect.

Just speaking for myself, I’d like to thank the trolls here on HotAir… you have made me SOOO much more informed on my conservative worldview and effective in communicate it with others. Because of you, I have been feeding articles and viewpoints to my conservative friends, and helped them prepare their debating skills. You have made me so much more effective… as a person, as an informed citizen, as a patriot of this nation… and sealed the fate of your own party! On behalf of conservatives, thank you for your ceaseless stupidity in defending your corrupt ideology! Thank you for your support!

Liberals, please keep posting your drivel, as it only makes us better…

dominigan on May 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Well, I don’t disagree with you on your point that suits will happen. I guess I differ on a matter of degree when you say “in the the most public manner possible“.

You and I both know, the press and the television media will chase diversionary “Breaking News” as soon as possible and the continuing suits will find space on page 17 in the ho-hum columns, soon after they cobble together a couple of obscure, off-the-record sources and headline a “Bush may have done it too some experts say”. Then the GOP will run to the next television camera and save us from steroids-in-high-school-football-causing-the-tea-party-attitudes-that-have-prevented-Congress-from-getting-anything-done, dancing to the tune that the liberal media plays.

Business as usual as soon as possible.

Saltysam on May 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

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