Poll analysis: No, the hurricane didn’t beat Romney
posted at 4:21 pm on November 13, 2012 by Allahpundit
I know you’re bored with post-election number-crunching but (a) ruling out silly force-majeure explanations makes the “how can we reform the GOP?” debate easier and (b) I wrote on this last week and feel obliged to follow up. My working theory then was that even low-information voters aren’t easily impressed enough to let the glorified presidential photo op that is “storm crisis management” swing a national election. And the exit poll data seemed to back that up. Notwithstanding the alarming 15% chunk of voters who said O’s hurricane response was the “most important factor” in their vote, it turned out that very late deciders broke only a bit more heavily for O than earlier deciders did. The hurricane may have padded his margin slightly but it didn’t swing the outcome.
Now here’s Sam Wang, one of the statistical modelers who called the election beforehand, “unskewing” the national polls by noting that O outperformed their predictions by roughly 2.4 points on average on election day. If you add that 2.4 points to the national poll averages in October, then you realize a few things:
– President Obama led national opinion on every single day of the final two months of the campaign.
– During this period, the only event to meaningfully move national opinion was Debate #1, which led Mitt Romney to close two-thirds of a 6-point gap between him and President Obama – overnight. Some of this gain was reversed in the closing two weeks of the campaign.
– Sandy’s measurable effect on opinion was no more than 1.0%, and even this might have reversed by Election Day.
So Bickers and Berry’s claim that “the president clearly benefited from the ‘October surprise’ of Superstorm Sandy” is unsupported by data.
Wang’s graph of the unskewed national polls shows a small blip towards O over the last few days following the storm but then a slight trend back towards Romney, suggesting a small but fleeting Sandy bounce. At the Journal, though, Gerald Seib argues that Obama’s poll uptick in the election’s closing days actually began a few days before Sandy made landfall, not after:
The picture emerges from a look back at the averages of polls conducted in the nine most hotly contested battleground state polls compiled by Realclearpolitics.com. Between Oct. 2 and Oct. 26, Mr. Romney gained ground in all nine of those states, though not enough to take a clear lead in any except North Carolina.
But then, between Oct. 26 and Oct. 30—the day the hurricane hit the East Coast—the Romney move up came to a halt. In that period, his support was flat in polling in four of the battleground states, he actually lost a point in his support in three of them, and gained a single point in two.
In other words, Mr. Romney had hit a plateau just before the hurricane shook up the political system.
Seib’s conclusion didn’t seem to match up with the RCP national poll average that I looked at last week, which showed Obama surging back into the national lead right around October 29-30 — just as Sandy was making landfall on the east coast. That coincidence made me think that maybe the storm did help push O’s numbers upward. But if you look at the national poll averages at HuffPo and TPM, which are based on a slightly different sample of national polls than RCP’s average is, then it makes more sense. Here’s what HuffPo’s looks like:
The first thing worth noting: Unlike RCP’s average, HuffPo’s average never showed Romney in the lead, a result that jibes with Wang’s “unskewed” model. The second thing worth noting is that, while Romney got within two-tenths of a percentage point on October 21, Obama’s lead started expanding the very next day — fully a week before Sandy made landfall. By October 27, two days before landfall, it was up to six-tenths of a percent. TPM’s national-poll average had the race closer but if you zoom in there, you find a similar result, i.e. that Obama passed Romney on October 26 and maintained his lead to the end. Not that any of these national numbers matter; the lesson of the election is that the state polls were more trustworthy. The point is, though, that both state and national seem to show a late break towards O, presumably fueled by undecideds finally making up their minds, that started before Sandy struck and created an opportunity for him to play Concerned Leader. The million-dollar question is why. Why couldn’t Romney close the deal with fencesitters?
If you missed Karl’s post last night about the flawed national polls, now’s the time to catch up. Gallup, it seems, may have been tripped up, ironically, by the fact that it screened its sample of registered voters too rigorously to try to find likely voters. In the past that was necessary because turnout on election day tended to show a redder electorate than you’d expect from a sample of registered voters. There were more Democrats out there, but GOPers could make up the difference because they were likelier to vote. Obama’s achievement this year was to turn out enough “irregular voters” that the electorate ended up looking like a poll of registereds, not likelies. In fact, go compare Gallup’s own tracking polls of likely voters versus registered voters and see how they did. Among likelies, the final poll was Romney by one. Among registereds, the final poll was … Obama by three. Gallup had the correct answer all along. They, and we, just made the wrong assumption about turnout.
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Bishop. Finally.
Lourdes on April 29, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Yea, sure thing there Crispy Crème.
Minnfidel on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
The Fat Man will beat Hillary for the Donk Prez nomination in ’16.
Bruno Strozek on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
The GOP will betray you
True_King on April 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Christie is pretty chatty for someone with tonsils bruised that badly.
M240H on April 29, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Christie is right about the theoretical issues but do any of us in the public actually KNOW what “promises” Obama made and has kept? It seems Christie engaged in salesmanship in statements as to that because it’s something that can’t ever be proved — we’ll never know what Obama “promised” to Christie in their post-Sandy hug-train.
Lourdes on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Buck_Nekkid on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Did Obama start wringing his weenie with crispy cremes?
Dead to me fat man. Tell that to your constituents. You lie!!!!!! Unless, obama said he was gonna f$ck your voters.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Obama still hasn’t delivered those Twinkies to you, pal.
IR-MN on April 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM
We tried to warn you Christie lovers from NJ about RINOS. But you wouldn’t listen.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Hey, Chris – didn’t your mother ever tell you that it’s not polite to talk with your mouth full?
Pork-Chop on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
So – if a master promises to feed and house his slave, and holds up his end of the bargain, that makes him a good guy – yes?
CycloneCDB on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Now definitely not a 2016 hopeful…unless he primaries against Hillary.
But, GOP?
Don’t you dare!
Let’s see the current video and interviews with your Joisy constituents all along the coast….how they doin’ these days?
Still living in bombed out Berlin, with a boardwalk?
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Boy, Obama must have some real dirt on Chris Christie.
It must be REAL bad.
portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM
You can understand how they were confused…right? They thought we were saying he was a rhino(ceros) – not a RINO.
CycloneCDB on April 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM
You go girl!
ToddPA on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Christie: On Hurricane Sandy, Obama has “kept every promise he’s made”
Limited Government Conservative dog whistle hears this from Christie when he makes that statement above:
“Well sure we’re going to keep sucking off the Federal Teat. I mean we’re just like Bloomberg over in the City. We can’t hardly wipe our butts without asking for the toilet paper from D.C. to do it. And you know what? We’re going to ask for EVEN MORE money because I’m a lard it up Progressive and I want to see how many people I can get on the teat of the Federal Sow just like us here in Jersey. Latch on America, that milk sure tastes yummy.”
PappyD61 on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
As long as he needs money and fast tracking around regulations I think you can expect him to retain the kneeling position. I hope he is made governor of New Jersey for life.
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM
So you’re saying Obama made and kept promises outside of and in addition to standardized legislated federal responses?
Promises other states and/or individuals may not get?
Do tell.
rogerb on April 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM
At first I laughed. Then I thought, this is the guy who made his name on not wasting government funds?
Eviva on April 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Go have another donut!
forest on April 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Easy to do when all you have to do is tell one of your underlings to spend more of other people’s money and few, if any, question where it is all going.
The MSM stopped speculating, asking hard questions, engaging in penetrating analysis, and being highly critical and suspicious of the guy currently residing in the WH on January 20, 2009.
Maybe they needed a rest after doing all of that the previous eight years. /s
Since then they pretty much uncritically report whatever he and his mouthpieces say, provided it is not stupid. When he says something stupid they try to ignore it. Or they speculate favorably about “what he really meant” and/or they switch into Orwellian doublespeak mode.
farsighted on April 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM
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Capitalist Hog on April 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Yeah… submarining the Romney and the GOP in the election paid off big for Christie. Too bad there are still thousands homeless due to Sandy, and the looting of homes under repair or awaiting repair continues apace.
So… where are the politicians now when these people need aid as much or more than ever?
Doesn’t look like Christie’s losing any sleep, or dining opportunities, over it.
thatsafactjack on April 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I can’t believe this is the load that spoke and opened the convention to help us win.
Stupid party picks Rino and loses stupidly.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
It’s only fitting that the one “Republican” POS said this to the other “Republican” POS, on the one “Republican” POS’s MSNBC propaganda soapbox.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Been choomin’ with that punahussy Barry, eh Chris?
Shoulda been more careful about them brownies, Chris.
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Really Fatboy? I live here. The barrier island from Bay Head to Seaside Park remains a disaster area. So you must be talking about an alternate universe Jersey Shore.
tomsriver.patch.com/articles/storm-chronicles-part-7-six-months-out
bloviator on April 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Bwaaahh. Your brain did another superb post as per usual.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Christie has no desire to run as a Republican. Watch. He’ll run as a Democrat or an “Independent”.
I always thought he looked like shit. Now I can see he thinks like shit.
CatoRenasci on April 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Then why do I still keep seeing ads here in NY for appeals for donations to the “Sandy victims?”
Weren’t all the insurance payouts enough?
Wasn’t all that Obamamoney enough?
Why was the bill laden with pork? Imagine if all that Obamamoney went to ‘relief’ instead of only half of it?
Or, better — After the 1906 SF earthquake, foreign countries offered aid. President T. Roosevelt declined; “We got this, thank you.”
If Christie had any real smarts about him, HE would have been at the forefront of relief in his state. Instead, he went hat-in-hand to Obama, the Feds.
Some leader, some governor…
Pffft!
Liam on April 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM
I’m not so sure he was much help.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM
So all that slobbering and hugging was a freebie?
Sorry fat boy, yelling at a union leader a couple of times doesn’t make you a Republican. Morbidly Obese and stupid is no way to go through life.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM
That’ll do, pig.
Jaibones on April 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Christie wants to make sure no one is in doubt that he’s a despicable slug of the worst kind. Christie deserves Barky and no American deserves to have to put up with either of them. Lying sacks of America-hating sh** …
Keep f**king that chicken, Christie.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Governor Zeppelin is full of it. (and, it’s not Hot Air.)
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Yeah Crispy, maybe he kept all his promises to you, but alot of people are still getting screwed in this. Hell we got screwed because Crispy handed the election to Barry with his endorsement!
My grandmother lost her bungalow in Breezy Point, NY. Yet since it was her summer home, no FEMA aid (Now I think full-time residences should get priority, but nothing, not even discounted loans for part timers? they still paid full-time taxes). Since she had no flood insurance, (too expensive for a 54 year old bungalow) no pay out. Since it was “flood” damage, homeowners won’t pay out. Since the storm was reclassified so it wasn’t a “hurricane” her storm insurance won’t pay out. Now the city has condemned and destroyed her house.
Now that’s bad, but her neighbors who had flood insurance because their homes were newer, still in a mortgage etc, and had their homes condemned by the city are only getting the first 5 feet of damage covered, because that’s how high the insurance companies say the water came! And of course, since its “flood” damage homeowners won’t cover. I have pics showing how high the water came in my Grandmother’s house, and it was more than 5 feet inside, and her home had been on piers! Yet there was supposed to be billions in aid coming to the state to rebuild? Where is it? Who got it?
The only people being made whole by insurance are the houses that burned, and they’re even saying some of those fires were “suspicious”.
Oh and what about cutting the red tape so that we could try to start to rebuild? Right now they haven’t even figured out what the new zoning and building codes will be. After that’s litigated (and you know there will be lawsuits), you’ll have to submit your plans to the city, and that can take up to a year to approve in normal circumstances. Now its tough for Grandma, but what about the people who live there all year round? They don’t even know how high the piers will have to be and Bloomy says whatever the FEMA map says, he wants 2 feet on top of that! Your talking thousands of dollars per foot extra. And keep in mind these people have been out of their homes since Sandy hit! But because these are all liberal pols, the media will look the other way.
Iblis on April 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM
As if he didn’t damage the Republcians enough by making out with the Machurian President before the election…
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 1:46 PM
Morning Jo(k)e.
M240H on April 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Christie was always a particularly New Jersey phenomenon, those who thought his style and policies could translate into a national presence were just wishful thinking. This doubling down on stupid just confirms he has no national future.
Of course, Obama may have kept the private promises he made to Christie, but the public ones were obviously broken. The federal/FEMA response was far slower and less effective than for Katrina by any objective standard, from pre-positioned assets to progress after one, three, or six months.
Adjoran on April 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM
I don’t know about NJ but Obama has kept one major promise he made.
He/Obama has “fundamentally changed” the United States of America!
Delsa on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
The GOPe has moved on from Crispy in 2016… Jeb’s their guy now.
SheVee on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
I don’t recall Haley Barbour slobbering over GWB in the wake of Katrina. Kathleen Blanco, on the other hand whined constantly that the feds were neglecting her state. It must be a Republican/Democrat thing. That Christie is just like Blanco shows just how much of a Republican he really is.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Mr. Krispie believes “government is good”… no two ways about it…
phreshone on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
McCain.
Romney.
It’s a pattern. They will dare and the low info voters on our side and NH will guarantee it.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM
I look at him and I think of Stay Puft Man.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM
OT: My CHL arrived a short while ago…like 20 minutes. It arrived with the wrong designation-they’re going to reissue it-but I can use this one until the correct one arrives.
annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2013 at 1:51 PM
That is the leftist mantra that’s been instilled in mush filled uninquisitive minds for at least three generations. And if you can politically, and personally, profit from that line of thought so much the better.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Christie is dead to me!!
Deano1952 on April 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Yeah. The same guy who used a New Jersey State Police helicopter pick him up and deliver him to his son’s Baseball game.
So much for not wasting Government funds.
portlandon on April 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM
So’s Snookie and I don’t want her in elective office either.
I agree with you that anybody who thought this fat imbecile was going to capture a national candidacy was clearly partaking early in that which is now legal in Oregon and Colorado. New Jersey is far too liberal to ever produce better than a centrist Republican. Christie is clearly bi-political (he swings both ways). One day he’s a darling of Ann Coulter for yelling at a union boss. The next day he’s performing a lap dance for the rat-eared coward national television on national television.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM
We need to keep a list of Republicans who’ve torpedoed their chances in 2016. CRISTie with his neverending Obama lovefest. Rubio with the amnesty bill. Jeb Bush for being Jeb Bush. And I’d argue Paul Ryan is on the fence right now.
Doughboy on April 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Wow, that’s an insult to one of the greatest Rock Bands ever!
Let me just say when the folks at MSNBC are in your corner,
you’re a big bag of Sh*t in a Hefty Two Ply.
ToddPA on April 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Nominated for early thread winner.
Really, Fat Boy, just drop all pretense and switch parties already. This is beyond a joke.
ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on April 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Come on you guys. Just because Christie is a gluttonous, bloviating, morbidly obese wad of lard is no reason to make fun of his weight problem.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM
MLK said you should judge a man by the content of his character. Problem is Christie has more content than character.
SparkPlug on April 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM
I enjoy reading your posts, Erika, but you’re in desperate need of an editor on this one.
MustLoveBlogs on April 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Meaning a heaping pile of cash.
theperfecteconomist on April 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM
How exactly is Christie a Republican? Other than the t-shirt he dons before the game… I mean, if you sit on the bleachers of the other team all of the time, just who are you for?
beatcanvas on April 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM
* Christie / Crist 2016! *
Because RINOs can never get enough FAIL.
Czar of Defenestration on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Yeah, damn him for helping those people in jersey. How dare he help them.
rubberneck on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
rubberneck on April 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM
You dont’t read other posts, do you? The problem is…the NJ residents are not being helped.
kingsjester on April 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM
Looting.
Still no electricity in some areas.
Yeah, Obama was here.
RovesChins on April 29, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Really? A rock band??
My vision was of the giant out of control angry one in “Ghost Breakers”
Yeah, THAT Stay Puft Man.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Just a reminder here that the Fatboi was the #1 pick of Ann Coulter for the GOP nomination last year.
Remember that the next time she flaps her gums.
HondaV65 on April 29, 2013 at 2:30 PM
Congratulations!!!
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM
I understand her infatuation with him is over.
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Actually his shape is more blimp than zeppelin.
Governor Blimpy!
hawkeye54 on April 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Ugh.
vityas on April 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Congratulations!!!
Cindy Munford on April 29, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Thanks!
annoyinglittletwerp on April 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Good question. McCain would know the answer.
Happy Nomad on April 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM
He’s just another posturing pol looking ahead to the next election. Is this the new face of the R party, being a phony suck up to which ever dem is in charge? This guy needs to get off the national stage.
Kissmygrits on April 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM
“kept every promise he’s made”
Meaning he made no promise to begin with, so had nothing to keep.
Iblis on April 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Chruck Fisti. I’m done with him. He won’t get my vote no matter what. The Easter Bunny is 10 points ahead of him on the wino scale of voter acceptance.
Wino on April 29, 2013 at 3:16 PM
first comma unnecessary and the second is rendered redundant with the “but” before it…
DanMan on April 29, 2013 at 3:43 PM
Could be that being a fat ass is not his fault 100% but this dumb ass shit that Obama is ok is 100% owned and paid for by he alone.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 29, 2013 at 4:07 PM
COuld he run for the democratic nomination in 2016?
Zomcon JEM on April 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM
But who pays? Does anyone ever ask that question? Who pays? Obama keeps his promises, but who pays?
Paul-Cincy on April 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Oh contraire. Christie got the twinkie from Obama, he just hasn’t realized it yet. That realization will come to him when his presidential bid tanks in 2016. He’ll find out the only people that like him are Dems and left coast Repubs and the Dems won’t vote for him. He’ll be a career Governor for NJ.
TulsAmerican on April 29, 2013 at 5:22 PM
I know he can’t hear it, but I am blowing one big, wet raspberry in the direction of Boss Christie.
And like most of the posters here, I never did like him. Too much bluster and too little substance if you ask me.
jazzuscounty on April 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM
???
cicerone on April 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM
“Daddy, how do you spell toast?”
“C h-r-i-s-t-i-e.”
coldwarrior on April 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM
Thanks! Crossing the finish line last in a marathon still means I crossed the finish line! Hey, where’d everyone go, home already?!?
Lourdes on April 30, 2013 at 4:08 AM