Jindal: End “dumbed-down” conservatism

posted at 1:51 pm on November 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The question that every Republican — and every pundit — will ponder until the end of the year is this: what ails the GOP?  That question and its answers isn’t limited to the grassroots or the commentariat.  The next generation of Republican leaders know that they’d better have an answer if they have any hope of winning national elections in the near or long-term future.

One member of the GOP bench offered an answer in an interview today with Politico:

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich. …

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

He was just as blunt on how the GOP should speak to voters, criticizing his party for offending and speaking down to much of the electorate.

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

Jindal also said that “Simply being the anti-Obama party didn’t work.  You can’t beat something with nothing.”  That certainly proved to be the case last week.  Many Republicans figured that the economic malaise and the lack of any vision of a second term from Obama would doom him with voters, but we ended up getting stuck in our own blind spot where Obama is concerned.

As I wrote after the election, we can’t allow ourselves to fall into the trap of being mainly an oppositional party — being defined by what we’re against rather than what we’re for.  We have to have a clear, positive agenda aimed at communicating specific policies that will improve the lives of voters in demonstrable ways.  Too often, we offer philosophical slogans about economic policies without offering nuts-and-bolts solutions to back them up.  That requires going into hostile political ground — especially in urban areas, where we fare the worst in national elections — and offer specific free-market-based policies to solve real problems for people whom Democrats can take for granted now.  That is the most direct route to defusing the claim that the GOP is nothing but the party of the rich.

Where our values demand a firm stance, we need to maintain it — but we need to get better at communicating those values, too.  Todd Akin derailed the GOP’s pro-life message, and so did Richard Mourdock to a lesser extent.  We need candidates who can communicate better and make sure that campaigns remain focused on those core values and specific policy agendas that will improve the lives of all voters.

If the Republican Party is to have a renaissance, it will have to be led by Jindal and the other Republicans of his rank in the next few years.  Hopefully, the message will resonate within the party.

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Ed, you failed to mention that Jindal was talkig about the PERCEPTION and not about who we really are and you posted the Politico article playing the game of misquoting Jindal without putting it in context… I think you need to clarify through an update in the body of the thread what Jindal meant…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Did you actually read the whole article? He is talking about changing the perception of the GOP as the party of the rich, not saying they ARE the party of the rich.

Crikey, we’re a touchy lot these days.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:15 PM

People, people, people, don’t you realize they’re out there dividing us again? Any quote can be pulled out of context. Don’t you think the whole point of the press now is to divide and conquer?

Bobby Jindal is on the side of every hard working individual who’s raised himself by his bootstraps. His message is small government, personal self-responsibility, and the American ideal. His parents came from India and he has an understanding that all our first-generation forefathers had of the American ideal.

Please, don’t make up your minds until you give him a chance. You will be falling into a trap.

itsspideyman on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

While disappointed with the election results, I was encouraged by two very important details that came out of this election. The first is the GOP only lost 3M voters, the Dem’s lost 8M, and the youth vote percentage was significantly down for Obama, 70% in ’08 vs. 60% in ’12.

The Dem’s better be looking at how this happened when the were running a “a transformational figure and the greatest president ever”. What happens when he is not on the ticket? Like the ’14 mid-terms?

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Right now, I think the GOP should keep hold of its core beliefs and just do some tweeking around the edges. The Dems/Obama performance for the next two years will better determine what action the GOP should take. Don’t have much choice in the matter anyway. In 2014, like 2010, we can take advantage of Dem mismanagement, stregnthen position in Senate and begin to buld a case for President in 2016.

Just trying to keep some perspective.

Jabberwock on November 13, 2012 at 2:25 PM

The problem is the GOP appear to have no core beliefs that they can articulate and present except to keep their own gravy train running.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 2:52 PM

how do you get through to people who buy into “big bird”, “war on women” and “binders.”

?

Joseph Russo III on November 13, 2012 at 2:46 PM

For one, you don’t ignore the small stuff assuming people will tune it out. For two, you have a sound-bite strategy. It should not be your only strategy, but like a twitter account, it’s something a modern campaign must have.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM

right2bright on November 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Then we need to do that as well. Why do Republican politicians go on to MSNBC at all? And when they do, why do they play nice? Why do we let the left control the conversation? Why do they agree to debate moderators whom we know are hostile to our cause?

29Victor on November 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM

How do you change the perception if it’s based on a lie?

Gelsomina on November 13, 2012 at 2:49 PM

That is the ultimate question, no?

It is called voter psychology, and there are people out there (Adam Schaeffer over at Ricochet, for example) who are experts in it.

Schaeffer said all along that the Romney campaign was being outrun on the ground by Obama’s team (voter report cards, as an example).

Hopefully the RNC will have a chat with such people and take a lesson from them.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I live in Louisiana and I am a republican and Bobby Jindal hasn’t earned the right to offer critism on the national scene. He is a glory grabbing politician who takes credit where credit is not due. He is a typical politician who promises the moon and sidesteps the questions. Sorry folks but instead of pandering to the elite element of the party that says we have be more inclusive and tone down our message, we need to fight the liberals on their turf. Call them bold faced liars, tell the truth and quit trying to be so nice. Reagan only got 37% of the hispanic vote during a landslide, so face facts, we’re not going to get a majority of hispanic votes. Stop apologizing, and give the message in a clear and concise way. Jindal, if you didn’t get it, is trying to put a cork in the Tea Party and other like minded conservatives. Jindal needs to get his butt back to Louisiana and get back to reforming this state and doing what he said he was going to do when he ran for re-election. In case you didn’t know it, Jindal, like Obama, has press conferences but does not allow questions. I hate self serving politicians, because they are the ones we have allowed to get us in the mess we’re in. We need statesmen and not politicians. We need public servants not politicians.

Sid on November 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I find it hard to believe that people viewed the democratic convention and decided that what was wrong with society were the views of social conservatives.

but I get your point.

Joseph Russo III on November 13, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Our side did NOTHING to point out the extremism displayed in that convention. So all people heard was “Bill Clinton gave a great speech and said Obama can’t be held responsible for the bad economy.” Nobody ever called Clinton himself, much less Obama, on the booing of God or the abortion-palooza or the anti-Semitism.

I think this was Romney wanting to be more or less of a gentleman and not making harsh attacks on cultural stuff, while Democrats threw flaming piles of dog crap at him for 6 months.

rockmom on November 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Please, don’t make up your minds until you give him a chance. You will be falling into a trap.

itsspideyman on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Totally agree. I’ve listened to Jindal speak, and this Politico garbage is not who he is. More spin, more anti- conservative psy-ops.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Jindal learned the hard way when he tried to dumb it down for Stupid-Americans during his infamous SOTU rebuttal. Problem with him is that, unlike fellow Rhodes Scholar Bubba, Bobby cain’t talk good Stupid, and when he tries, it smacks of effort.

Christien on November 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM

As long as John Boehner is Speaker, we can pretty well rest assured that the House GOP will cave.

Boehner is not on our side. The left has something on him.

Right Mover on November 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Therein lies the problem. He should be voted out as Speaker! He turned into a Beltway Maven about 12-years ago! Jindal should read what he supposedly told Politico. Sounds like another knee jerk reaction to a not so lopsided election. Chill, Bobby!

tomshup on November 13, 2012 at 2:56 PM

We’re all a bunch of friggin’ idiots for wasting so much time naval gazing. Libya’s still a mess. The economy’s been in a 5 year mess. People are still freezing in NYC. The immediate question at hand is the debt ceiling. And what the frig are we at each other’s throats over? Pffttt…. No wonder no one votes for us. We need to get on the stick here and decide how we want to pressure the House over negotiating the pending tax increases too. There’s no consensus on this yet. No wonder the House doesn’t waste their time with us. Instead we argue over broader issues that we have absolutely no power to impact at this moment. Suck it up. We’re acting like a bunch of losers. There’s more important work to be done. And if we don’t do it, the Democrats sure as hell will do it to us.

rhombus on November 13, 2012 at 2:56 PM

I’m going to stay away from name-calling, but if you can’t see that Jindal is talking about the PERCEPTION of the party, then bless your little heart. C’mon, people. Understandably, this election has us all on edge.

PennsylvaniaPainTrain on November 13, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Either way, it was stupid of him. He is telling this to POLITICO (!!!!) of all people? One of the cheerleaders in smearing the GOP?

Hello Captain Obvious (Jindal). We know we have a perception problem. When we can get beat up over tampons and binders, then yes there is a perception problem.

But you go to the LSM and air your complaints. See how that works out. These idiots should be starved, not keep feeding them, especially with criticisms of his own party.

What is WRONG with these people? Do they really need the LSM’s approval that much?

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Christien on November 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM

WTH?

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Bobby cain’t talk good Stupid, and when he tries, it smacks of effort.

Christien on November 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM

:) S’true.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

One week since the election and they have all lost their minds, and their ballz, and their integrity.

I give up.

Let.It.Burn.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Welcome to AmeriKa.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Can we at least demand free matches? What? Oh, nevermind, I just got mine “free” in the mail. It must be a part of ObamaCare that we didn’t know was in there or something… Where’d I put my damned ObamaFone?

Fallon on November 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Sid on November 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

That was quite a rant. Certainly not what my impression is of Jindal at all.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM

That requires going into hostile political ground — especially in urban areas, where we fare the worst in national elections

There’s already a bunch of enthusiastic young, racially diverse Ron Paul Republicans in/near urban areas who have been disenfranchised by the GOP and swept under the rug by the right-wing media. Maybe instead of cheating them and locking them out they should be treated fairly and included in some meaningful way.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

I don’t really get how some Republicans can’t understand that the Politicos and MSNBCs are actively working against them.

Joseph Russo III on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM

While we’re at it, we need to fold on:
- immigration
- tax hikes
- gay marriage
- govn’t funded abortion
- gun rights
- defense spending
- property rights
- and much much more…

Only then will we give the voters are real choice. /s

gatorboy on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Sorry, I don’t get what Jindal is saying. His message isn’t any clearer than anything else I’ve heard since last Wednesday about why the GOP lost. What a bunch of idiots!

stukinIL4now on November 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM

The left has something on him.

Right Mover on November 13, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I’m starting to think this is true of just about everyone in government right now.

Fallon on November 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Hey Hot Air, you are full of it on this one. Why are you promoting the lies of the left presented here as truth? None of this article has even a smidgen of truth. Shame on you Hot Air.

aposematic on November 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

Um, what? A point of order – that’s the way the media and Dems (redundant, I know) portray conservatives, it’s not the reality. WTF is he going on about? Can we be done with ‘conservatives’ who are suddenly buying into Dem mischaracterizations of us, ourselves? C’mon Jindal – go all the way and insist that we need to stop being unrepentant racists, because everyone knows – if you listen to the Dems – that conservatives are de facto racists too, not just protectors of the rich, right Bobby?

“We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism.

We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

I guess Bobby wasn’t paying attention; we just *did* trust the intelligence of the American people, while the Dems were insulting their intelligence.

Worked out well, eh Bobby?

w.t.f.

Midas on November 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM

They are. They did not see how Romney would fix things. “Obama is trauma” is meaningless if the immediate rejoinder is not “Mitt gets it”.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Romney did a decent job of explaining things. Obama had absolutely nothing to say or offer.

If they can’t figure that out, then they are lost and deserve what’s coming to them.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM

I read the whole article. I agreed with him more than I didn’t. He doesn’t cave on amnesty, abortion, or gay marriage. And his idea of money following the child is a winning issue with those in inner cities who want desperately to get their kids out of the public schools.

Rose on November 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM

We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

I take it Karl Rove isn’t going to run for office, and run a commercial that promises better orgasms if women vote for Karl?

MNHawk on November 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Sid on November 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

That was quite a rant. Certainly not what my impression is of Jindal at all.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:58 PM

People not from Louisiana might want to know that politics here borders on blood sport, and we sort of automatically point our opinions. Also, everything is on the table. Everyone seen the petition numbers? :)

I like Jindal. He is a politician, though.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM

when I saw this news earlier in politico, I knew it would give several popcorn moment here in HA.

lets go by points: “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.” not even obama said something as socialist as this, lol! before all of you barf, I would like to remind you that most people dont like rich. humans are jealous by nature and on top of that, they can consider that some of the money was not exactly won in a fair way. we are the party of free markets, not the party of rich people, there is a difference!

-” We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.” lol! here jindal called the base of the party stupid. and comming from someone that was a “conservative star”, not from some msnbc hack! oh boy, if this was calculated by jindal, he just threw half the commenters in HA under the bus! does it hurt?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Bobby can go take a bucket of KFC to Jersey and hang out with ChrispyKreme Christy as a RePube I will now never support or vote for.

Stupid is talking to politico and denigrating your own party so it can be used against them and you.

NEXT!

Rockshine on November 13, 2012 at 3:04 PM

While disappointed with the election results, I was encouraged by two very important details that came out of this election. The first is the GOP only lost 3M voters, the Dem’s lost 8M, and the youth vote percentage was significantly down for Obama, 70% in ’08 vs. 60% in ’12.

The Dem’s better be looking at how this happened when the were running a “a transformational figure and the greatest president ever”. What happens when he is not on the ticket? Like the ’14 mid-terms?

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Don’t forget Obama also lost a decent percentage of the Jewish and Catholic votes this time, though they carried both groups. After another 4 years of Susan Rice and John Kerry selling out Israel, and an Administration taking a silly contraceptive mandate all the way to the Supreme Court and losing, those could go down even more in 2016. The progs will not be able to resist a full-on war on religious freedom. Shame on us if we don’t make them pay for it, in the midterms and in 2016.

There are 8 Democrats holding Senate seats in red or purple states which are up in 2014.

rockmom on November 13, 2012 at 3:06 PM

This is coming from the guy that has a “no rape exception” for abortion? I doubt the GOP could win 10 states on that platform, Jindal would have been washed away in a landslide no matter how much he wanted to bash Wells Fargo or Apple.

I know what’s wrong with the GOP, and it’s people like Jindal.

BradTank on November 13, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Sid on November 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Sid, all I hear is personal vendetta. What Jindal policies did you not like?

I lived in Louisiana, so I’d like to know what he did you didn’t like.

itsspideyman on November 13, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Hey Hot Air, you are full of it on this one. Why are you promoting the lies of the left presented here as truth? None of this article has even a smidgen of truth. Shame on you Hot Air.

aposematic on November 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM

this came from jindal who was a conservative hero til today. it deserves an article, but the question is, did jindal threw half of the HA populace under the bus?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I don’t really get how some Republicans can’t understand that the Politicos and MSNBCs are actively working against them.

Joseph Russo III on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM

And then they show the shocked face when they’re comments get mangled or distorted.

But they shrug it off and go back the next week.

Is it possible to find a politician that actually understands that the media is not their friend and the sooner they stop giving them nifty sound bites to back stab with the better we’ll all be?

Thanks for playing, Gov. Jindal. Politico for God’s sake.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I would like to remind you that most people dont like rich.

I can’t imagine that being true.

-” We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.” lol! here jindal called the base of the party stupid. and comming from someone that was a “conservative star”, not from some msnbc hack! oh boy, if this was calculated by jindal, he just threw half the commenters in HA under the bus! does it hurt?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM

He called the base, at best, mistaken in their political strategy.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

*their not they’re

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Pathetic. This type of class warfare is just one step away from Marxism. When voters have a choice between Dem (Obamao) and Dem Lite (McCain, Romney) they’ll choose Dem. What we need is a conservative candidate. Jindal ain’t it.

sauldalinsky on November 13, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Simply being the anti-Obama party didn’t work. You can’t beat something with nothing.

Seems to me that Obama won without offering anything except more of the same. The difference is that everyone knows that the Democrats are the party of free stuff, and people like free stuff. There are simply too many thieves in the country.

Henry Bowman on November 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Totally agree. I’ve listened to Jindal speak, and this Politico garbage is not who he is. More spin, more anti- conservative psy-ops.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Thanks Mitsouko. Let’s quit jerking our knee to journalists who want nothing but the death of conservatism.

itsspideyman on November 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Bobby can go take a bucket of KFC to Jersey and hang out with ChrispyKreme Christy as a RePube I will now never support or vote for.

Stupid is talking to politico and denigrating your own party so it can be used against them and you.

NEXT!

Rockshine on November 13, 2012 at 3:04 PM

jindal seems to be trowing half the base of the party under the bus! amazing ballzy move! however, those under the bus like yourself don’t seem to be happy.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM

So, here we go again… whatever he meant to say or if Politico skewed it or Ed did, whateves…

47% to 49% are on some kind of assistance…

23 million plus unemployed or underemployed or given up…

44.2 million on food stamps…

Add to the mix 20 million plus illegals… let ‘em stay…

Hey, the sooner the system is overloaded the better, right?

L.I.B.

I am in a quandry as to what to even begin to do…

Perhaps L.I.B. is the best way to go, and in the meanwhile we can sort ourselves out and BE HEARD!!

Not that the LSM would ever agree to let OUR voices be heard…

Sucks to be a conservative don’t it /s…

Every day I weigh thru the pros and cons and the picture isn’t getting any clearer, it’s muddied daily… even our (so called) own don’t know any more what the hell we stand for!

Yeah…

L.I.B.

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Well Romneys economic message was lets not raise rich peoples taxes. Its not that its a sound solution to our deficits, but every time the republicans fight it they make themselves the party of the rich to a large portion of the country. They also make themselves sound foolish to true deficit hawks. If your argument is lowering taxes will generate so much additional economic growth that you will actually bring in more revenue, then shouldn’t we lower all tax rates to .00001% and enjoy the huge economic boom and the huge tax revenues that will come from said boom?

snoopicus on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I would like to remind you that most people dont like rich. humans are jealous by nature and on top of that, they can consider that some of the money was not exactly won in a fair way. we are the party of free markets, not the party of rich people, there is a difference!

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Some Mobys are better at hiding it than others. I recommend you go through the archives and review angryed’s posts prior to 2012. He puts on a veritible clinic for those like yourself.

Kataklysmic on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

The problem is the GOP appear to have no core beliefs that they can articulate and present except to keep their own gravy train running.kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Political folks of all stripes do this. It is not a Republican thing. Unfortunately, this will not go away anytime soon.
The GOP’s main problem is that Gimmecrats and their voters will not give them the time of day unless what THEY believe is shown to be failing.
First example of this will be the upcoming tax hikes on the “wealthy”.
The rates will go up, revenue will probably go down and there will be no positive effect on our economic situation. People may feel better that rich are being taxed more, but they will not benefit in any way.Obama and the Dems will have failed them.

Jabberwock on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I said it before: ‘Extreme Media Training’ for all candidates and elected officials. Don’t talk to the enemedia! Not even Obama talks to them, for crying out loud.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:48 PM

I think it was Barone that said, after the election, Republicans have to learn how to handle questions the liberal media use to set up our candidates. Perfect example is abortion exclusion for rape and incest. Until Rove v Wade is overturned, this exclusion is the law of the land. Move on. The only reason this question even comes up is for conservatives to trip over and shoot their feet off.

One of out six women have been raped. Any male candidate who thinks they can have a conversation about rape and the rights the unborn and not step in it is delusional.

STL_Vet on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said.

Hey Jindal.

This mentality just lost us an election.

You are the “offensive” one. How dare you call Conservatives that feel life is precious and starts at conception offensive.

It is offensive to murder a child simply because his father is a rapist. It is offensive to try to force out a man after he followed the rules and won a primary.

Most of all it is offensive to claim you are a Republican but at the same time attack fellow Republicans and label them offensive.

Establishment Republicans constantly do all they can to destroy Conservative Republicans and help elect liberal Democrats in the process. Then they claim they are the vitreous ones. Bull. All you are is tools of the DNC.

Jindal go over to the DNC if you feel that way.

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 3:16 PM

He called the base, at best, mistaken in their political strategy.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:07 PM

jindal words:

We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism.

what dumbing down? I really disagree because asking for small government and asking to take away as many services and entitlements as possible was a simple yet quite clear ideology. its not dumbed down, its crystal clear.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:16 PM

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

This may have been part of the reason for Romney’s loss. Romney talked a lot about helping small business owners, but although they provide most of the jobs, they are not a majority of the American people. Romney had a good plan for “the middle class” who DON’T own businesses–a 20% across-the-board tax cut, but he didn’t make it clear how much they would benefit from it, and let Obama CLAIM that he too cut middle-class taxes, even though it was a blatant lie. Romney (and other Republican candidates) need to make it clear that if their employers are spending less money on ObamaCare and taxes and regulations, that’s more money available for THEIR SALARIES. That should be obvious to clear-thinking Americans, but how many Americans think clearly after four years of Obamaphones and ObamaCare and prObamaganda in the media?

Steve Z on November 13, 2012 at 3:18 PM

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Huh?

Christien on November 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Really a shame what happened to Perry. Jindal was smart to have backed him.

rockmom on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Perry also had an energy agenda. Still love the guy. For all his flaws, it would have been hard to demonize a very successful governor.

monalisa on November 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Oh, poppycock!

Let’s talk about the real issues behind the GOP loss. There are
two major ones:

1. A corrupt media who kept hammering the repubs with negative
commentary.

2. Massive voter fraud (which I believe is not being talked about by the repubs because they do it too, albeit on a much smaller
scale).

Amjean on November 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Did you actually read the whole article? He is talking about changing the perception of the GOP as the party of the rich, not saying they ARE the party of the rich.

Crikey, we’re a touchy lot these days.

Mitsouko on November 13, 2012 at 2:15 PM

.
Except that it is way EASIER to tax and eat the rich way more to gain favor/acceptance, than it would be to try and battle the PravdaThink media and try to have them change their “reality shaping” perspective for the huddled masses.

The fine citizens ONLY know what the media ALLOWS them to know.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Ed, you failed to mention that Jindal was talkig about the PERCEPTION and not about who we really are and you posted the Politico article playing the game of misquoting Jindal without putting it in context… I think you need to clarify through an update in the body of the thread what Jindal meant…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 2:51 PM

FAIL!

What you’ve shown is that you’re too lazy, dumb or irresponsible to parse a simple news-article for yourself.

Adult diapers are your friend.

Capitalist Hog on November 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM

“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

Finally a guy who gets it! This is some of the first semi-intelligent commentary that I’ve seen come out of the political class post-election.

Stoic Patriot on November 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Breaking News: Conservatives in the Trenches see things differently then Conservatives in the Hierarchy.

Jindal is out of touch.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Romney did a decent job of explaining things. Obama had absolutely nothing to say or offer.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Obama had nothing, but too often I heard Mitt say “I have a plan” and then he failed to say what the plan is. Part of it is that the plan was complex and not easily reducible to sound bites. Romney needed his own version of “9-9-9″.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Really a shame what happened to Perry. Jindal was smart to have backed him.

rockmom on November 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Perry also had an energy agenda. Still love the guy. For all his flaws, it would have been hard to demonize a very successful governor.

monalisa on November 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM

.
Perry =’d Bush.
Hopey in wipe out then.

407,000 votes out of 120 million total.

That how close it was.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Until and unless the whole political scene changes, until the majority comes to their senses, I shall refrain from commenting, just take notes, cuz ‘talking’ ain’t do a damn thing…

Not gonna allow any more political nincompoops tell me how I should think…

Lurk/Stealth Mode on…

Dark times are coming, brace yourselves…

God Bless America!

God Bless the good folk here (you all know who you are)…

Going out with a BANG!

Avery Watts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmbU8pVAZhQ

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Some Mobys are better at hiding it than others. I recommend you go through the archives and review angryed’s posts prior to 2012. He puts on a veritible clinic for those like yourself.

Kataklysmic on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

what you talk about? back in the primaries I made the case that choosing a rich guy that came from something close to the financial industry was not a smart move. I not sure if you noticed but financial industry are not popular, especially since 2008.
Do I have to like rich bankers or edge fund managers to be called a conservative? Ah! I dont like them, I just tolerate them.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM

hegelian dialectic…

equanimous on November 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM

what dumbing down? I really disagree because asking for small government and asking to take away as many services and entitlements as possible was a simple yet quite clear ideology. its not dumbed down, its crystal clear.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:16 PM

What you’re talking about and what he’s talking about are two different things.

What he said was this:

We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83743.html

– Meaning that conservatives should be explaining their ideas and not reducing them to topic sentences and bumper stickers.

What you said was that conservatism is, itself, dumb. You brought that idea with you, and I’m sure you understand it, so I won’t explain — unless you need me to.

Hope that helps.

This is definitely not your best work, Nathor.

Still praying for you!

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM

One of out six women have been raped. Any male candidate who thinks they can have a conversation about rape and the rights the unborn and not step in it is delusional.

STL_Vet on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Remember Roe vs Wade.

The child who’s life was saved is very much pro life. Her mother falsely claimed rape to get an abortion. You know no legitimate rape in that case.

Do not try to sell that garbage. My wife was raped and is very pro life.

This shut up the message crap is just that. I am sorry you think it is fine to murder a child who has a father a rapist. Does that include all his children in your mind? Even adult children? Why do you arbitrarily pick a point birth to make the difference between murder and something somehow legal? I see that decision as totally arbitrary.

By the way in Australia they are not trying to move the age up from birth to one or two years of age. Simply arbitrary to set it at birth this proves.

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM

If this is how HotAir is going to be from now on, you might as well close up shop Ed and just work for MotherJones.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM

One of out six women have been raped. Any male candidate who thinks they can have a conversation about rape and the rights the unborn and not step in it is delusional.

STL_Vet on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Where the heck did you come up with that statistic?

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM

hegelian dialectic…

equanimous on November 13, 2012 at 3:27 PM

I — I just Kant.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Finally a guy who gets it! This is some of the first semi-intelligent commentary that I’ve seen come out of the political class post-election.

Stoic Patriot on November 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM

you marxist! lol!

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:31 PM

– Meaning that conservatives should be explaining their ideas and not reducing them to topic sentences and bumper stickers.

What you said was that conservatism is, itself, dumb. You brought that idea with you, and I’m sure you understand it, so I won’t explain — unless you need me to.

Hope that helps.

This is definitely not your best work, Nathor.

Still praying for you!

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM

I really think conservatism(fiscal) is simple, can you agree? what nuance you need in less government, less services and entitlements and balanced budgets? how is it dumbing it down to put these very simple messages in bumper stickers?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:36 PM

as long as Republicans have the religous zealots spouting off about abortion and gay marruage we will continue to get our collective asses handed to us and deservedly so.

Abortion is reprehensible, disgusting and afront to the good of man but you will never stop it. You will never legislate it away but you can work to expose it for being an ugly, disgusting, sad statement of our society “right”, but a right nonetheless

Gay Marriage.. grow up. If you religion disagrees that is your religion NOT a governmental issue. Government shouldn’t be in the marriage business period..hetero or otherwise. We should not have tax laws benefit marriage or those not married.

Akin was the beginning of the fall made worse by the dipsh-t in Indiana.. they gave the dems ammunition and the press the fodder.

STFU about your religion, any religion.. it is a turnoff

theblacksheepwasright on November 13, 2012 at 3:37 PM

We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal told POLITICO in a 45-minute telephone interview. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

I agree.In fact,I have to admit that when I read that 8 out of 10 of the richest counties in the country went for Obama..I thought to hell with them. Raise their taxes. Go ahead. I know about the arguments against tax increases, but at the same time I get tired of all these rich liberals getting tax cuts while they attack the people who gave them those tax cuts.

Terrye on November 13, 2012 at 3:39 PM

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM

There’s a difference between being pro-life, even hardline pro-life, and verbally defending the position. Some people who are strongly pro-life are competent to discuss rape-related specifics. Akin and Mourdock are not among them. Remember, a candidate’s policy positions are only important if they win election. It doesn’t matter how principled a candidate is if that candidate cannot win an election. Ron Paul people know more about this phenomenon than most.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM

theblacksheepwasright on November 13, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Nice to have a member of the Democratic Party here.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Lesson 1: Know your media. Don’t trust friendly reporters from liberal publications.

Lesson 2: Hold Republicans giving interviews accountable. The easiest way to get press is to trash the GOP. Don’t reward cheap tricks.

Lesson 3: Somebody give all these “young guns” some talking points, please. If there’s any hope for any of them, they have to be on message for the next few years. Right now they appear rudderless.

Lesson 4: Please ignore the articles from the MSM that say we’re rudderless in 4…3…2…

rhombus on November 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM

STFU about your religion, any religion.. it is a turnoff

theblacksheepwasright on November 13, 2012 at 3:37 PM

agree very much, but socons wont stop!

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:41 PM

I will say this about populism, seeing as how Romney was our nominee, he should have done something meaningless like a tax increase for billionaires.

There’s really no sound economic argument for “soak the rich” so my advice would be for the GOP to play the game but make it even more trivial. Face it, we’re a nation of Honey BooBoos.

A “billionaire tax” would have probably effected 20 or so people, almost all of them Obama bundlers screaming for higher taxes, and it would be a fig leaf for Romney’s “Thurston Howell” problem.

BradTank on November 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I will say this about populism, seeing as how Romney was our nominee, he should have done something meaningless like a tax increase for billionaires.

There’s really no sound economic argument for “soak the rich” so my advice would be for the GOP to play the game but make it even more trivial. Face it, we’re a nation of Honey BooBoos.

A “billionaire tax” would have probably effected 20 or so people, almost all of them Obama bundlers screaming for higher taxes, and it would be a fig leaf for Romney’s “Thurston Howell” problem.

BradTank on November 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I would have loved to hear him say that he would issue an Executive Order immediately confiscating 50% from anyone who earned over $1million, and 95% from every single celebrity and CEO that begged Obama to raise their taxes.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Lesson 3: Somebody give all these “young guns” some talking points, please. If there’s any hope for any of them, they have to be on message for the next few years. Right now they appear rudderless.

Lesson 4: Please ignore the articles from the MSM that say we’re rudderless in 4…3…2…

rhombus on November 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM

LOL

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Nice to have a member of the Democratic Party here.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 3:40 PM

he just said that religion and social issues are sinking the gop and the jesus party HA enforcer came immediately branding him as a lib.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM

agree very much, but socons wont stop!

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:41 PM

No problem. We’ll check back with you in five years after had a chance to enjoy your time under Sharia law instead of Judeo-Christian tradition.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Huh?

Christien on November 13, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I went back, I read you wrong, sorry.
I’m on edge, I think I’ll just go do some laundry.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

what you talk about? back in the primaries I made the case that choosing a rich guy that came from something close to the financial industry was not a smart move. I not sure if you noticed but financial industry are not popular, especially since 2008.
Do I have to like rich bankers or edge fund managers to be called a conservative? Ah! I dont like them, I just tolerate them.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM

All right Nathor. I’ll play along. Tell me what conservative principles you would like to see in the 2016 Republican presidential platform.

Kataklysmic on November 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

No problem. We’ll check back with you in five years after had a chance to enjoy your time under Sharia law instead of Judeo-Christian tradition.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 3:46 PM

you took this sentence:

STFU about your religion, any religion.. it is a turnoff

and you interpret it as an endorsing of sharia law?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM

One of out six women have been raped. Any male candidate who thinks they can have a conversation about rape and the rights the unborn and not step in it is delusional.

STL_Vet on November 13, 2012 at 3:13 PM

83.7% of all statistics reported in blogs are made up on the spot…

right2bright on November 13, 2012 at 3:50 PM

As I wrote after the election, we can’t allow ourselves to fall into the trap of being mainly an oppositional party — being defined by what we’re against rather than what we’re for. We have to have a clear, positive agenda aimed at communicating specific policies that will improve the lives of voters in demonstrable ways. Too often, we offer philosophical slogans about economic policies without offering nuts-and-bolts solutions to back them up. That requires going into hostile political ground — especially in urban areas, where we fare the worst in national elections — and offer specific free-market-based policies to solve real problems for people whom Democrats can take for granted now. That is the most direct route to defusing the claim that the GOP is nothing but the party of the rich.

I am sorry but I am calling BULL on most of what is written above. One, Romney had his five point plan. What was Obama’s plan? That’s right, we don’t know?? Two, there were many, many people who were FOR Romney and not just against Obama. Three, Romney went and spoke conservative values to the NAACP. He was mocked and shown by the MSM that he was just trying to score political points- which he was not, he was offering real solutions which dovetails into number four, that he was offering these urban areas REAL ways to pull themselves out.

Rush has NAILED this perfectly in why we lost. America cannot beat Santa Claus and when you offer real solutions to people BUT it requires work then we are getting to the point where the majority will vote the something for nothing route.

g2825m on November 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Ahh. I see you’re back to yourself, now. Your power must be back on.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 3:51 PM

“Too many people have spent the past four years obsessed with birth certificates. Now they are obsessed with voter fraud conspiracies, talk of secession, and supposed election changing news stories if only we had known. So let’s add dabblers in this latest nuttiness to birthers as a category of people we do not welcome at RedState. Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago. Even here at RedState, while we may not much care for him, President Obama is still our President and we are still quite happily citizens of the United States. If we must drain this fever swamp that’s taken hold of a few people on the right over this past week before we can drain the swamp in Washington, so be it,” – Erick Erickson, Red State.

lexhamfox on November 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM

I really think conservatism(fiscal) is simple, can you agree? what nuance you need in less government, less services and entitlements and balanced budgets? how is it dumbing it down to put these very simple messages in bumper stickers?

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:36 PM

I would agree that all good political philosophy starts with a few simple ideas that are simply stated, but the implications of those ideas, their effects, are more complicated and significantly more difficult to tweet.

Since I am not going to try tweeting them now, I should explain that I disagree with Jindal. I don’t think the GOP has a message problem in the sense that it has not articulated the message. If it does have a message problem, it’s only in the sense that many people are rejecting the message.

You may yet win the war, Nathor. You may get what the world you want, uncompromised. I hope you are well-connected enough and chance favors you enough such that you do really well.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM

A majority of our problem, and difficult to overcome, is the MSM where those outside of Hot Gas, Drudge, Rush, Townhall, RedState, etc…do not get their information from and learn of “political talk” from the MSM who spoon feed everything as the gospel truth.

g2825m on November 13, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich. …

Q: Why does compromise always involve the right taking a step to the left?

A:That’s why they’re called Progressives.

tdarrington on November 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM

All right Nathor. I’ll play along. Tell me what conservative principles you would like to see in the 2016 Republican presidential platform.

Kataklysmic on November 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM

here is 2:
- end forcing public servants from paying dues to the unions.
- end corporate tax loopholes(name the loopholes). use the money to balance the budget.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM

“It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party.

He’s probably referring to Boehner saying “ObamaCare is the law of the land. The GOP needs to fall in line.”
Right?

I’m right aren’t I?

Oh well.

JellyToast on November 13, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I don’t really get how some Republicans can’t understand that the Politicos and MSNBCs are actively working against them.

Joseph Russo III on November 13, 2012 at 2:59 PM

And we need to start treating them like the subversive propagandists that they are. Call them out on their lies and correct them immediately! Go into interviews EXPECTING them to try and undermine us! Be prepared to interrupt and challenge an interviewer’s worldview and assumptions! Stop treating them like news organizations, and prepare for them to twist every little thing out of context… in fact, state it up front that you expect them to take your comments out of context to fit their bias! …and then be proven right!

dominigan on November 13, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Take Care.
:) Hopefully we will meet again.

Reading today, seems insults are flying from a circular direction, I’m going to duck and cover.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 4:02 PM

we are the party of free markets

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM

No, you’re not.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 4:06 PM

No, you’re not.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 4:06 PM

But we could be.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Since I am not going to try tweeting them now, I should explain that I disagree with Jindal. I don’t think the GOP has a message problem in the sense that it has not articulated the message. If it does have a message problem, it’s only in the sense that many people are rejecting the message.

You may yet win the war, Nathor. You may get what the world you want, uncompromised. I hope you are well-connected enough and chance favors you enough such that you do really well.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM

look, I see that I agree with you more than i was realizing. it is true that people are rejecting the simple small government\low taxes message and as a leaning libertarian, it hurts me but also, I understood that without a intellectual champion of libertarianism like ron paul was, this small goverment slogan did sounded a bit dumbed down because there was no explanation of the market based solutions that would take over after the government is gone.
I am also not an hard core libertarian. I still like goverment regulating and providing certain services.

working from here, and now that the pure small government message was rejected, I would say that we should focus on the low hanging fruit of issues were we have the popular advantage and work from there. and just forget this talk of making US a libertarian utopia, it wont happen and we have to be pragmatic.

nathor on November 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM

83.7% of all statistics reported in blogs are made up on the spot…

right2bright on November 13, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Yep. As Thomas Jeferson said “Never trust quotes or stats you find on the Internet.”

29Victor on November 13, 2012 at 4:10 PM

But we could be.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Should be.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 4:10 PM

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