Important story of the day: Paul Ryan mentions turnout in cities, which is insensitive or something

posted at 10:11 pm on November 13, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Talking to Wisconsin reporters just days after his and Mitt Romney’s loss, Rep. Paul Ryan talked about what it felt like when the returns came in, and he realized they would lose. Ryan called it a “foreign experience,” and said President Obama “won fair and square,” and “we congratulated him for that win.”

He also gave Obama credit for his turnout operation, saying Team Romney was caught off guard by how well it worked.

“We knew this was a close race. We thought we had a very good chance of winning it. I think the surprise was some of the turnout, some of the turnout especially in urban areas, which definitely gave President Obama the big margin to win this race,” he told WISC-TV reporter Jessica Arp. “There’s always an electoral college strategy in winning these things…when we watched Virginia and Ohio coming in, and coming in as tight as they were and then looking like we were gonna lose them, that’s when it became pretty clear to us we weren’t going to win.”

To the Journal-Sentinel:

Asked if the voters rejected the Republican vision, Ryan said of the president: “Well, he got turnout. The president should get credit for achieving record-breaking turnout numbers from urban areas for the most part, and that did win the election for him.

“It’s clear we have a country that is divided among a number of issues. We thought that the best thing for the country is to get ahead of our fiscal problems. We offered specific solutions. It didn’t go our way. So obviously we’re disappointed by that. We’re not going to be able to fix this country’s fiscal problems along the way I thought we should have. Whether people intended it or not, we’ve got divided government.”

He expressed surprise again to WISN-TV:

“The numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning. So, when the numbers came in, going the other direction. When we saw the turnout that was occurring in urban areas that were unprecedented, it did come as a bit of a shock. So, those are the toughest losses to have — the ones that catch you by surprise.”

James Hohmann of Politico was first to cry foul, followed by Jonathan Martin of Politico. Wisconsin media was more charitable in its read of Ryan.

He later tweeted the link to the story with the quote.

By noonish it was a NYT piece: “Ryan Surprised by voters in ‘urban areas’”

The remarks prompted scorn from some liberals who viewed Mr. Ryan as blaming inner-city minorities for the Republican defeat.

“Paul Ryan emerged from dustbin of nothingness 2 blame his & Romney’s defeat on “urban” vote,” one person tweeted. “These 2 losers continue 2 demean minorities.”

Another tweeted that “Urban vote” = minorities. Paul Ryan is saying he lost because minorities actually went out and voted. SHOCKER. MINORITIES HAVE RIGHTS, TOO.”

Several people pointed out that Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan also lost some largely rural states with few minorities, like New Hampshire and Iowa. Those losses cannot be explained away by focusing on urban voters, they noted.

That’s true about the rural vote and rural states, but it doesn’t make his point about turnout in cities untrue or insensitive. He was giving a mini-diagnosis, which mentioned states where the GOP ticket had problems throughout cities, suburbs, and suffered a drop-off in rural voters. And, as a conservative who comments on politics in public, let me share this massive irony with you. The day after the election, I hesitated to mention (but did) the missing white, rural vote in Ohio or suburban losses in Virginia on TV because, even though I thought they were relevant, for fear someone would accuse me of racism for unfairly slighting turnout in urban areas!

It truly was remarkable, even to some on the left, and it has been the focus of a huge part of post-election coverage. Nor does urban have to be a euphemism for minority voters. As publications such as Politico note in “The GOP’s big city problem,” the party has problems attracting minority, young, single, voters who live in urban areas. It was those voters whom Obama, without the benefit of ’08′s magic, did the operationally heavy lift of changing from sporadic voters into reliable voters. As nearly every media outlet has told us in the last week, GOP polling underestimated that turnout and was therefore surprised by the result, which is what Ryan said.

“Why Romney Lost,” also in Politico, points out that Team Ryan was surprised by turnout among black voters, which it didn’t expect to be as high as 2008, and chides Republicans operatives “for arguing the demographic point is being overplayed, both by the press and by Romneyland — that the problem was a flawed strategy and, more important, a weak candidate who ran against an incumbent who was personally popular.”

The truth is there were and are many problems. Team Romney and the GOP shouldn’t credit Obama’s impressive analytics and turnout for the win without admitting their own failings, nor should they use demographic shifts as an excuse for losses instead of communicating to new constituencies. But the idea that Ryan repeating the conventional wisdom of the last six days is a racial offense is ridiculous. (Below, please peruse the results of a quick search on this subject among noted non-racist outlets and analysts.)

Ryan is the one who reportedly wanted to make appearances in inner cities to make a pitch for conservative policies on poverty and urban issues. Could it be that he’s echoing the media’s emphasis on demographic shifts because he thinks that’s where the party needs work? Even though Romney failed in turning out parts of white, rural America, there aren’t many who think just fixing that is a strategy for winning future national elections. I’m pretty sure no one really thinks Ryan’s dog-whistling four years in advance to perfect that strategy, yet that’s the implication.

But here’s the larger point and it’s a daunting one. This is the perfect symbol of how much work conservatives must do and how hard it will be to do it. Despite accusations to the contrary, I think it’s fair to say I’ve lived most of my life in something akin to the opposite of a conservative bubble— I never knew more than a handful of conservatives until I visited The Heritage Foundation in 2004. Sometimes it feels deeply unfair to be considered a bad person simply because you happen to differ with someone on the relative expenditures of the federal government, but it doesn’t change that the problem exists. Many people conservatives need to reach and want to help have a dim, sometimes deserved, view of our side and what it has to offer them. And, whether or not it’s fair in every instance, we have to give people a reason to believe differently with smart people, smart politics, smart messaging, and near flawless execution.

Conservatives often talk about talking past the media and taking our message directly to the people. Mitt Romney’s finest moment came Oct. 3 when he did just that. We now have a chance to do that with slightly more than half the country, door to door, many of them in urban centers and predisposed to disagree with us. Earning the right to be heard will not be easy, but we have to start.

***

The New Republic‘s Nate Cohn:

Across the entire lowland south, Obama won a larger share of the vote than he did in 2008. Not only did Obama perform better among black voters than in ’08, but Obama’s gains were sufficient to overwhelm losses among white voters. Obama even matched and exceeded his performance in many black counties in North Carolina and Virginia, where one would have suspected that Obama would have already maximized black turnout and support. In 11 predominantly black counties in southeastern Virginia, turnout increased and Obama won more votes than he did in 2008. Obama’s margin of victory in Ohio was almost entirely attributable to historic levels of black turnout in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, and Toledo.

From the New York Times, “Record Latino vote, strongly backing Obama”

The Miami Herald: “Obama won Hispanics by a larger margin than he did in 2008 in Florida, exit polls showed, even though he did worse overall. But Republicans did far worse than they did in 2010, when they captured super-majorities in the Legislature and won the governor’s office and every state Cabinet post.”

The L.A. Times: “The GOP’s demographic problem”


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

“Macaca”

Glenn Jericho on November 13, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Go do your PX90, Paul.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 10:13 PM

still ~ so dreamy ~

Jeddite on November 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM

The R/Cs are all racists/bigots.

I hope it covered all/everything.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Obama is popular in Turban areas as well.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 10:16 PM

…I look at Ryan…and look at Biden…and I weep!

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM

he’s so cute… XD

Sachiko on November 13, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Obama is popular in Turban areas as well.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 10:16 PM

lol. true!!

Sachiko on November 13, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Ryan called it a “foreign experience,” and said President Obama “won fair and square,”

And none dare speak the truth.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Hi Ham.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM

PC is going to be the death of this country.

CoffeeLover on November 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM

“We knew this was a close race. We thought we had a very good chance of winning it.”

Your guy Mitt jacked around and went on vacation and his jet ski and told us NOT TO WORRY while he was being defined this past Summer.

We were ridiculed by his awesome campaign staff for being concerned when he was down in the polls by 5 and 6 points.

FINALLY, FINALLY he shows up on October 3rd and acted like he wanted to win…………only to go all softy soft John McCain in the last two debates.

WE WANTED A FIGHTER, someone that would go for the jugular and we got another pussy puss puss nominee with no testicles to fight for Conservatism.

Now we get another 4 years for OBAMA to destroy the country and we have a gutless gop leadership in Congress……..again.

ABANDON THE gop ONE AND ALL………they are finished as an opposition party.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Naw, “high turnout in urban areas” isn’t racist, it’s code words for “election fraud”.

JA on November 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM

ROMNEY RYAN SUCKED.

end of story.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Sounds like those white Politico reporters resent being lumped in with icky “urban” voters. “Hey, WE voted for him, too, and we’re certainly not…ummm…’urban’”

I love it when libs inadvertently reveal their own racism — and they always do it when they’re calling other people racists. It’s like they all walk around with giant mirrors, screaming at themselves all day.

Rational Thought on November 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM

“Obama won Hispanics by a larger margin than he did in 2008 in Florida, exit polls showed, even though he did worse overall. But Republicans did far worse than they did in 2010, when they captured super-majorities in the Legislature and won the governor’s office and every state Cabinet post.”

Maybe GOP should have called Obama out for the racist lynch calls for Zimmerman.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM

OT – I miss the bacon show. is it coming back?

22044 on November 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Naw, “high turnout in urban areas” isn’t racist, it’s code words for “election fraud”.

JA on November 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM

…. ^ this! ^

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM

But the idea that Ryan repeating the conventional wisdom of the last six days is a racial offense is ridiculous.

Their propaganda operatives are always on message.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

The sad part of this is….we are all losers because of this vote, black, white and hispanic. Living off the government is not much of a life….too bad they can’t recognize this.

ILUVTX on November 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

You are welcome to comment below.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

FOR MONTHS…….all Summer long we were screaming at the Romney Ryan Camp to not let Romney be defined by negative ads in the swing states.

We were laughed at and ridiculed by the uber-smart loser campaign smarty smart smarts on the RR team.

Then on October 3rd it looked like Romney might actually want to win…..but THEN when he found out he was 5 points ahead in Gallup he went all JOHN MCCAIN wussy wuss honorable and let Obama back off the mat.

Now we’re all stuck with 4 more years of the DOTUS destroying the country we love while the appeasers in the gop leadership piss away the last chances we have at liberty.

Sorry Paul Ryan………..you and your prospective boss LOST.

We had high hopes, but we were stupid once again.

ABANDON all that have hope, the gop is dead, dead, dead.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I’m still confused about the fact that they are fixated on the House Budget Chairman… Gosh, the Dems have been fixated on him for the last year. I’m also confused about the whole classification.. Ryan said he was a bit shocked by the urban turnout. He didn’t say anything about how dare the urban voters turnout and ZOMG we must deny them. He just said that the campaign was expecting a much closer turnout election. I think that all of us were expecting that.

Illinidiva on November 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM

This is nothing more than proof that there is no reason to pander to any group for any reason.

Ryan talks about urban areas–media says he’s racist.

So, in the future….

Rs vote for amnesty–media will take three words in one person’s speech and call it code for racism.
Rs drop abortion–media will go find one person in the House, misquote him, and say it’s a “dog whistle” for hatred of women.
Rs raise taxes–if ANYONE objects, media will simply report it as proof that it doesn’t count.

STOP CARING WHAT THE MEDIA THINK. KTHXBI.

Darin on November 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM

A big THANK YOU to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney for working so hard to try to save our country!

Alas, we get the government we deserve. And just over half of the American voters insist on learning economic and history lessons the hard way. Unfortunately they are going to make the rest of us suffer along with them for the foolish decision they made on Election Day.

wren on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Many people conservatives need to reach and want to help have a dim, sometimes deserved, view of our side and what it has to offer them. And, whether or not it’s fair in every instance, we have to give people a reason to believe differently with smart people, smart politics, smart messaging, and near flawless execution.

Conservatives often talk about talking past the media and taking our message directly to the people. Mitt Romney’s finest moment came Oct. 3 when he did just that. We now have a chance to do that with slightly more than half the country, door to door, many of them in urban centers and predisposed to disagree with us. Earning the right to be heard will not be easy, but we have to start.

I don’t see a whole lot of sincere desire round here to do this MKH.
Nah. Far easier and more fun to yell “free stuff,” “taker,” and make snide jokes about pimps and hos, Limbaugh style.

lostmotherland on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Hey.. a@@es.. Mkay I’m still confused on the racial situation.

Illinidiva on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

The sad part of this is….we are all losers because of this vote, black, white and hispanic. Living off the government is not much of a life….too bad they can’t recognize this.

ILUVTX on November 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

True , but divide and conquer is their winning method.
Thats how you win with low info voters.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Obama’s high support from Latinos and Blacks makes sense when you realize all the great things he’s done for them. I just haven’t realized those things, so it doesn’t really make sense.

SAZMD on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

“We knew this was a close race. We thought we had a very good chance of winning it. I think the surprise was some of the turnout, some of the turnout especially in urban areas the Free Shit Army, which definitely gave President Obama the big margin to win this race,”

Happy now Politico?

JStew on November 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Ryan called it a “foreign experience,” … The president should get credit for achieving record-breaking turnout numbers from urban areas

Yeah more than 100% turnout in some of those precincts while your side got zero votes in other precincts will do that to you.

Not a single vote in 68 precincts (9 in Cleveland, 59 in Philadelphia) is not believable. I don’t care where you live, the votes cannot be that homogeneous.

This appears to be the dems, like little children, trying to see how much fraud they can get away with and not have the American people react in outrage. Precincts with more than 100% turnout of registered voters, zero votes for one of the major candidates. If the American people don’t cry foul over this, and if the Republican party doesn’t call for an investigation over this highly improbable circumstance, then the dems know that they have the country and can do whatever they want. Votes in the future will be meaningless exercises to make the masses feel good about their overlords and masters.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 10:32 PM

ABANDON all that have hope, the gop is dead, dead, dead.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM

No, it’s not. It’ll simply become an adjunct of the Democrat Party. It’s mostly there already.

Liam on November 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Obama got 100 percent in some key urban areas

Mitt would have done better had he released his taxes I’m sure

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Ryan spoke the truth… Obama won only 39% of the White Vote and most of them lived in or close to the urban centers… Most of them were the lower class whites who heavily depend on government handouts fully or partially… Some of them were the left wing lunatics you typically encounter on the political blogs, some of them were the students who contribute nothing to the economy… The black/hispanic voters made up around 45% of Obama total voters…

mnjg on November 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Obama got 100 percent in some key urban areas

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Ryan: Obama “won fair and square,”

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 10:36 PM

and said President Obama “won fair and square,” and “we congratulated him for that win.”

And then

By noonish it was a NYT piece: “Ryan Surprised by voters in ‘urban areas’”

The remarks prompted scorn from some liberals who viewed Mr. Ryan as blaming inner-city minorities for the Republican defeat.

1. Why are you talking to the media? They will lie and vilify you with your own words.

2. You sure about that? Fair and square, huh? This is why you lose – they have no backbones, won’t fight and won’t get their hair mussed up.

Bah.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Urban Areas = OBAMAPHONE!

I thought everyone knew this.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM

White Urban voter in Ohio

“Our Dead Ambassador had it coming”

“Romney is for the rich”

“Obama has created lots of jobs”

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 10:40 PM

This outreach (read: pandering and begging) concept is taking navel gazing to a new level by all the Rs doing so.

Romney did not lose because he failed to get better numbers from minorities and women. The fact is that 8 million less voters turned out for Obama than in 2008 and about 3 million less voters turned out for Romney than they did for McCain in 2008.

Why? Obama’s relentless personal negative ads and campaign against Romney for months before and after the conventions worked on a number of levels. They and it, quite simply, depressed turnout among soft Rs and Indies, the Team Obama goal, knowing that’s all they had, what with no record or a bad record to defend.

They knew they were going to be substantially down in their own votes and that the negative approach would also depress a lot of their own leaning Indies, too, but they bet that they just needed to depress enough of the soft Romney support to sneak by. Alas, it worked.

I had argued for some time, as I did back in 2008 (although McCain had no chance anyway), that Team Romney should have gone jugular big time at Obama, both in ads and messaging, too, but they chose to go majorly “positive”, worried about losing the softy vote.

You can’t win against a ruthless enemy by playing nice, or by pandering, as many of our so-called conservative pundits and pu*sies are now suggesting, as in amnesty and abortion and you name it.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Oh BS. Blacks voted for Obama because he’s black. Hispanics voted for Obama because they believe he will reward criminal behavior. Young people voted for Obama because they aren’t mature. Women voted for Obama because they are emotional and easily manipulated.

Above all of this, democrats have no compunction about lying and no remorse for hurting anyone else as long as they can say, “I win so I’m right.”

Vince on November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM

So he’s not supposed to talk to the media? How does that help?

And look, voter fraud doesn’t explain Obama’s margin…there’s no proof of it, anyway. So him suggesting it wasn’t fair would look ridiculous.

changer1701 on November 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM

ABANDON all that have hope, the gop is dead, dead, dead.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Sadly, I agree with you. It is time for a Tea Party, Constitutional Party, or other name (I’ll use Tea Party for now because of the Constitutional principles that the people in that movement stood for) that will actively pursue a return to a Constitutional Republic is needed. This election demonstrated that the Republican power structure fears and hates the conservatives and Tea Party more than they fear the communists and democrats (but I repeat myself).

The Republican party is dead, it’s time for a new party to rise from the ashes starting not in 2014, but starting to form now to position itself to run against the incumbents in key areas in the coming 2014 congressional races. Wisdom and intelligence are needed for this, running a Tea Party candidate against a Paul Ryan would be a crime; running against a Lindsay Grahmnesty or other squish RINO would be good, running against people like Ron Barber in AZ, or some of the other democrats who won because they were up against “honorable campaign” Republicans who thought the dems would run honorable campaigns are the places to start. Would expect the Tea Party to caucus with Republicans just like the communists and socialists do with the democrats. However, they would not be a rubber stamp for the times the Republicans go stupid.

We’ve got to do something because what we’ve done this past several election cycles is not working.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 10:43 PM

The liberals always sneer when someone says “Rural Voter”.

I wonder why?

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I was hoping for a car elevator in everyone’s garage.

But..

I will settle for 30 ObamaPhones.

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

PC is going to be the death of this country.

CoffeeLover on November 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM

That right there is why we’re doomed. We can’t say “the sky is blue” without some fool calling it racist.

And it get’s worst every day. I will puke if I read about another republican telling us to get behind amnesty.

Alabama Infidel on November 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM

So he’s not supposed to talk to the media? How does that help?

And look, voter fraud doesn’t explain Obama’s margin…there’s no proof of it, anyway. So him suggesting it wasn’t fair would look ridiculous.

changer1701 on November 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Yes, they have to on certain occasions, when something happens, but what is it with these voluntary blabfests to POS outlets like The Slimes and Politico?

To what purpose does it serve? Why would Jindal feel the need to go to a slimester like Politico to air his opinion about GOP faults?

Unnecessary and only feeds the beast. Then these idiots wonder why they end up with a kick me sign on their backs.

As for the voting numbers there are some irregularities in some places *that we know about*. Aren’t you the least bit curious? I am. I’d like to know why there are irregularities. That’s just me, though.

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Why? Obama’s relentless personal negative ads and campaign against Romney for months before and after the conventions worked on a number of levels. They and it, quite simply, depressed turnout among soft Rs and Indies, the Team Obama goal, knowing that’s all they had, what with no record or a bad record to defend.

I had argued for some time, as I did back in 2008 (although McCain had no chance anyway), that Team Romney should have gone jugular big time at Obama, both in ads and messaging, too, but they chose to go majorly “positive”, worried about losing the softy vote.

You can’t win against a ruthless enemy by playing nice, or by pandering, as many of our so-called conservative pundits and pu*sies are now suggesting, as in amnesty and abortion and you name it.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Add to that the fact that in addition to those negative ads, the Obama campaign also had the DNC propaganda arm, i.e. the MSM doing free campaigning and also vilifying Romney.

That was what was so frustrating about not seeing the Romney ads everyone expected to see. The only way Romney was going to get any positive coverage was to pay for it himself. The MSM was not going to do anything to help paint Romney in a positive light, why would the DNC cover their opposition positively? The fact of the matter is, the MSM is the DNC, there will be no fair or balanced coverage of Republican or conservative positions by the democrats.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 10:49 PM

If Romney wins 40% of the Hispanic vote in each state he doesn’t win even a single extra state. NONE! And if he wins 60% of the Hispanic vote Romney still loses the election.

We lost this election when Romney mentioned the 47%. And the hurricane. And the Christie. And the media. And the blacks sticking by their man. And the Latino’s. And the ORCA. And the rapes. And the lousy commercials. And the lack of national interviews by Romney. And sticking it to Ron Paul, the Tea Party and the Cuda at the convention. And I could go on and on and on.

KMav on November 13, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Liberals attack conservatives no matter what they say. They’ll twist it in all sorts of shapes to make it fit their narrative. Conservatives need to be better at messaging and contradicting these silly narratives from the Left.

MrX on November 13, 2012 at 10:53 PM

And I could go on and on and on.

KMav on November 13, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Wouldn’t matter..

We as a country will have to sink and feel pain..
Liberals can’t get a waiver…
And if Obama tries…

We sink faster..

Electrongod on November 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM

And look, voter fraud doesn’t explain Obama’s margin…there’s no proof of it, anyway. So him suggesting it wasn’t fair would look ridiculous.

changer1701 on November 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Actually, if you look at where the electoral votes came from in key swing states, the margin of victory for Obama was close enough that a few 10′s of thousands of fraudulent ballots from several democrat strongholds would have been enough to swing the election. It didn’t have to encompass the whole popular vote, only that critical swing states. You don’t think Pittsburgh and Philly could have come up with 100K extra votes for The One? … or they come up with 75K for The Won and lose 25K Romney ballots. In cities of their population? It’s credible and there’s sufficient evidence that it was happening. Locking out the opposition observers for several hours, posting your NBP intimidator at the door, going to court to block voter ID. Yeah, no reason to suspect voter fraud at all.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 10:55 PM

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Good point, when you get free 24/7 ads from the LSM highlighting your positives and hiding your negatives, you can go all in (to use a current phrase) negative on your opponent. Romney had to do both but they only chose to primarily go positive, the reason for the loss, IMHO.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM

kim roy on November 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Ryan didn’t talk to those outlets, they just twisted what he said to others. Ideally, yeah, I wish they could ignore the propaganda arms of the dnc too, but we’ll never get anywhere if we rely solely on talk radio and fox.

changer1701 on November 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM

ROMNEY RYAN SUCKED.

end of story.

PappyD61
on November 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM

.
Maybe Santorum/Bachmann ?

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Actually what happened is the Takers, Muckrakers, Flakers and Fruitcakers outnumber the Makers.

That and the 17th Amendment has finally matured to become what the Progressives of the early 1900′s envisioned – The Senate is owned by the Party not the States. Now comes the complete take-over of the SCOTUS, the House becomes irrelevant & the transformation is complete.

batterup on November 13, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The urban vote are the slaves of the democrat party. They are the poor that the left has to keep down and dependent on the government in exchange for their votes. They are the people Obama told to seek revenge. They are the takers that are most hurt by his destructive policies but have been conditioned over time to accept a lower standard of living in exchange for the government providing for them. That is just the facts and the left uses this tired pc crap to try intimidate those that call them out. I am not afraid. I actually care for these people and thiink it is sick how the left demeans them and takes away their dignity all in the quest for political power. I hate it but they are the ones who are about to pay the most as Obama’s policies are destined to fail and they wake up one morning and find out the free stuff is no more.

Ellis on November 13, 2012 at 11:09 PM

All one has to do is look at the red/blue map of election results to see that Ryan is right. Those little specks of blue in the sea of red are the urban areas with the largest population centers.

This country is RED with pockets of blue with enough voters to outnumber the rest of the country.

I hate the media.

Viva the resistance! Succession is the only answer to this travesty.

Jvette on November 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Above all of this, democrats have no compunction about lying and no remorse for hurting anyone else as long as they can say, “I win so I’m right.”

Vince on November 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Good points, all. To that, I would add media bias. Until we can figure out how to overcome the overwhelming bias within the media, we have no control.

We can do all the right things, for all the right reasons, but if the media seeks to demonize that (often in conjunction with democrats), it’s a monumental mountain to overcome.

We saw this with scandals. Solyndra and many other energy projects, that wreaked of corruption in political handouts. We saw this with Fast and Furious and Benghazi. The media simply buries or omits entirely, anything that would make their preferred candidate look bad.

We saw it with hurricane Sandy. People begging for help, bodies still being discovered, electricity still out in some areas. How the media treated Bush after Katrina vs how Obama has been treated after Sandy is a stark contrast. The same happened with the oil spill a few years ago.

I remember the media hounding Bush when unemployment dropped from 5.5 to 5.4, then 5.4 to 5.3 and all the way down to 4.9 percent. No matter how good things were, they would paint a dismal picture of the economy and focus on the 2 or 3 people that couldn’t find a job. With Obama, there has been no improvement at all, yet he gets the kindest of coverage and repeated excuses (like “unexpectedly dropped”).

I don’t know what the solution is or how to overcome the media bias, but it is real and it has a profound impact upon the electorate. Obama has been extraordinary in controlling the media, like nothing I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. How do you overcome that?

BruthaMan on November 13, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I don’t see a whole lot of sincere desire round here to do this MKH.
Nah. Far easier and more fun to yell “free stuff,” “taker,” and make snide jokes about pimps and hos, Limbaugh style.

lostmotherland on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Don’t talk about sincerity, hypocrite.

The moment a conservative opens his mouth the left screams “raaacist!!!!”

It doesn’t even matter what we say.

Gelsomina on November 13, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Even among political horse-race junkies, many spend more time caring about fashion and music (“cool stuff”) than actual political issues (“boring stuff”). Of course to them “urban” means “minority,” because that’s what it means in iTunes and at the mall.

calbear on November 13, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I don’t care what anyone says, the current state of this nation should have never equaled an Obama reelection.

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM

I don’t see a whole lot of sincere desire round here to do this MKH.
Nah. Far easier and more fun to yell “free stuff,” “taker,” and make snide jokes about pimps and hos, Limbaugh style.

lostmotherland on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

It won’t last. If there is no sincere desire here, there is no desire in the Democrats to avoid the fiscal cliff.

Even if the taxes are passed it won’t make a differnce. Democrats are incapable of cutting expenditures. Right now 70% of our debt is being bought by the Federal Reserve, in order to avoid the embarrassment of a failed Bond issue. Democrats will have to cut nearly a trillion dollars and they can’t even defund Big Bird, which puts commercials for toys in their shows.

Enjoy your joke. It won’t last.

itsspideyman on November 13, 2012 at 11:54 PM

There are reports that Romney got -0- YES ZERO votes in 259 Philadelphia voting districts and that in some Florida cities OBAMA GOT 50% more more votes than there are registered voters-without which he would have lost Florida. I have NEVER NEVER NEVER heard of anyone getting -0- votes (except in Soviet elections) in any scenarios where more than 500 votes were cast (in this case well over 19,000) and it bears the markings of the union label.As for 150% voting in Florida-probably a rumor-but even if true-Chicago style it is NOT SHOCKING and will never be proved.

MaiDee on November 14, 2012 at 12:09 AM

ROMNEY RYAN SUCKED.

end of story.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM

.
American, that’s the feeling those 2 guys gave us back. That’s why it stings a little bit more. After 4 years of Anti-American garbage R&R were pure decency and a hope America wild find itself again. That didn’t happen. We can’t come to terms with the fact that so many people are apathetic toward this hoax of a president. We aren’t allowed to say president Revenge pandered in negative ways and lied his way thru the campaign. We can’t say he won on the backs of racist minorities, yes -racist minorities- whom the majority lack the intelligence to get past American Idol etc.

They didn’t suck. They were sacked. You will never have two more decent, experienced and leadership capable men or women running for the WH as R&R were. No, we live in a country where the majority want a president who apologizes for America and a VP who is a phucking moron.

R & R – The last shot at American Traditionalism.
Time now to transform. Belong to your Government.

FlaMurph on November 14, 2012 at 12:12 AM

The Democrats want very badly to keep up the myth that Obama is broadly popular, and now they are desperately trying to spin that this election was just like 2008. Can’t have the general public figuring out that Obama won the big cities and lost almost everywhere else.

rockmom on November 14, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Okay, on the subject of the Romney campaign, “letting,” the Obama campaign define Romney.

Well, his primary funds were essentially exhausted by the prolonged primary, and he couldn’t use general election funds til the convention. Oh, sure, they had a little funds leftover, and they COULD have been used to try defining Romney, but matching Obama in an ad war at that point would have been impossible.

So, yes, they could have done better, but they were in a difficult position at that point. Honestly, I would have tried holding the convention as early as possible for that very reason.

Additionally, I’m still not convinced it was the early smear campaign that did it in, or at least not alone. During most of July Romney and Obama were trading places on Gallops tracking poll of registered voters, and he was ahead on the same poll for much of August as well.

Romney’s position in Gallop poll of Registered Voters, didn’t really disintegrate until the week of Akin’s remarks, and it never really fully recovered. We all know that the Gallop likely voter poll had him ahead most of October, but among Registered voters it was about a tie.

Basically, Obama planted the War on Women seed early and deep, but initially it didn’t make a difference. Romney after all, comes across as a very reasonable man, unlikely to do something so drastic. However, Akin’s comment seemed to cause all that damage to set in. It’s possible that, had Akin never said anything, people would have dismissed the whole campaign as a giant smear. The moment they were given even the smallest reason to believe it, it became effective.

So, yeah, maybe Romney could’ve done a better job defining himself, but it was also impossible for them to predict the race would have been impacted in such a way.

WolvenOne on November 14, 2012 at 12:43 AM

There are reports that Romney got -0- YES ZERO votes in 259 Philadelphia voting districts and that in some Florida cities OBAMA GOT 50% more more votes than there are registered voters-without which he would have lost Florida. I have NEVER NEVER NEVER heard of anyone getting -0- votes (except in Soviet elections) in any scenarios where more than 500 votes were cast (in this case well over 19,000) and it bears the markings of the union label.As for 150% voting in Florida-probably a rumor-but even if true-Chicago style it is NOT SHOCKING and will never be proved.

MaiDee on November 14, 2012 at 12:09 AM

It was only 59 districts in Philly, and that is out of over 1600. Similar results happened in 2008 and even in 2004. These are small precincts where the election judges are part of the Democratic machine and they know everyone. People are given a Democratic card when they go into the booth and told to vote that way. Nobody wants to go against the tribe. These folks have been conditioned for years that Republicans hate them. Bush killed all the black people in New Orleans, the Republican voter ID laws are going back to Jim Crow and poll taxes, etc. In 2004 there were Photoshopped flyers passed around in Philly and Newark showing George Bush standing in front of a Confederate flag.

rockmom on November 14, 2012 at 12:46 AM

I don’t see a whole lot of sincere desire round here to do this MKH.
Nah. Far easier and more fun to yell “free stuff,” “taker,” and make snide jokes about pimps and hos, Limbaugh style.

lostmotherland on November 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM

May the cliff see you first, right after Obama, you two fools.

Schadenfreude on November 14, 2012 at 12:54 AM

From the Codeword-Dictionary (Val-Edition):

urban turnout = coalition of impressively dumb single women and incited racial minorities, whose members dont mind being and remaining unemployed.

Valkyriepundit on November 14, 2012 at 2:36 AM

lsm continues to bash candidates….

your guy won, enough already

cmsinaz on November 14, 2012 at 5:54 AM

Sad, there’s still an abundance of white trash trying to gin up race wars.

MNHawk on November 14, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Total BS.

There is no way that Obama “turned out” more black voters than he did in 2008. They stole this election. Of course, it will never be proven. But that doesn’t mean it’s not real.

In 9 Cleveland voting districts, there was not one vote for Romney? It’s just not plausible, folks. Philadelphia, even more damning? Just not credible.

Damn me for a conspiracy theorist; this white house and their operatives in the Democratic Party stole this election, believe it. Their media shills won’t ever let that narrative get by them without mocking and demeaning anyone who suggests something is stinky here, but that ought to make everyone more, not less, suspicious.

mountainaires on November 14, 2012 at 7:34 AM

This. When even Larry Sabato says something is questionable, you wonder. And, Sabato questions the 59 voter districts in Philadelphia turning out ZERO votes for Romney.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-13/news/35069785_1_romney-supporters-mitt-romney-voter-id-law

mountainaires on November 14, 2012 at 7:37 AM

As usual the Democrats are totally confused. The best they could do is engineer a stalemate . . . nothing more and nothing less. Furthermore 59 million voters (a little less than half) voted against Obama and that’s hardly a mandate. The key for Republicans is to stand their ground and convince the 93 million voters that did not vote to vote conservative in the next election. If the Democrats won’t honor a reasonable compromise then let the country go over the cliff because that would be a much better solution than pandering to Obama’s parasitic constituents by giving them the hard earned wealth of other productive Americans. People worked very hard for what they have and they should not simply turn it over to the “free stuff” fools.

The Right needs a fiery leader that will give no quarter and will stand toe to tow with the Left and not yield an inch. Fighting the Obama Pied Piper administration will be no easy task but it must be done. Remember, a simple majority is not a show stopper within a Republic . . . and that’s precisely why we are a Republic and not a Democracy.

rplat on November 14, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Quick. Somebody tell Newsweek to pull their latest issue which says right on the cover that the GOP is old & white & washed up.

dhimwit on November 14, 2012 at 7:49 AM

When even Larry Sabato says something is questionable, you wonder. And, Sabato questions the 59 voter districts in Philadelphia turning out ZERO votes for Romney

It is possible for precincts to turn out 100% for one candidate, what is not likely, and this would be the concern is if 100% of the registered voters turned out, or turned in absentee ballots all for one candidate, if the party registration were different from the candidate.

Campaigning in MA, doing phone calls in the old Barney Frank district, we would sometimes call person after person in Fall River who was not the voter, never lived there, doesn’t live there now, hadn’t lived there for 10 years, or no comprende when the answer the phone. These issues are the responsibility of the town clerk here. It is an elected position, I don’t think it should be. But, running a challenger, even a losing challenger against an incumbent has a slightly curative effect, because when your campaign goes knocking on doors, and those people are not there, the candidate can complain to the Town Clerk. Of course this doesn’t stop monkeyshines in the polling place if there are no poll watchers, but they cannot systematically vote for a street of people that don’t exist, if you get them off the rolls.

Fleuries on November 14, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Ryan is missing the most important fact.

Conservative voters refused to turn out for another milquetoast RINO….a faux Conservative.

Get a REAL Conservative on the top of the ticket and you watch how fast the Republican turnaround will be.

The Old Guard of the Party has too much control. The Republican Party needs to copy one of Obama’s most useful tactics….throw under the bus those of which have outlived their usefulness!

I dare say, most Conservatives will not miss Karl Rove or the Bush Cabal. They have immensely helped the Progressive insurgence in the last 20 years.

Sparky5253 on November 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM

This whole HE SAID URBAN HE MEANS BLACK PEOPLE is f*cking stupid.

Obviously he meant city vs country.

Much pants wetting over sweet f all.

The city vote is just one of a great number of reasons Mittens was in the toilet.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Damn me for a conspiracy theorist; this white house and their operatives in the Democratic Party stole this election, believe it. Their media shills won’t ever let that narrative get by them without mocking and demeaning anyone who suggests something is stinky here, but that ought to make everyone more, not less, suspicious.

mountainaires on November 14, 2012 at 7:34 AM

With you, mountainaiares. All the way!
.
Of course this election was stolen and the traitors in the media are covering for Obama. How can anyone say that when a voter turnout is over 100% (which happened ALL over this nation) of the registered voters in that area isn’t fraud???

avagreen on November 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

What a pantload. Seriously. I’m soooo sick of the race-baiting left. Paul Ryan stated the obvious. The heartland of this country has no vote anymore. The population centers choose for us all. It’s become a real-life fable about ants and grasshoppers.

What needs to happen in this country is for electoral voting blocks to be broken down into smaller chunks, so that the cities are no longer running ALL of us. There are still people left in California and New York and Pennsylvania who would actually like to have their vote count for a change.

Murf76 on November 14, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Remember when Bush won and the democrats said that “he won fair and square”? Oh wait….

Dollayo on November 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM

It’s not Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney’s fault. They ran a fantastic campaign. Thank you Mitt and Paul.

No, it’s your neighbor’s fault, the one with the Obama sign on their lawn. It’s the fault of that socialist sister-in-law you’ve got. It’s the fault of that annoying Obama-bot guy at the gym, always murmuring “Oh-Bah-Mah… Oh-Bah-Mah…” as you do your curls and bench presses. It’s the convenience store owner’s fault. You know the guy where you buy your beer and soda from, who has the “We Accept EBT” sign on the window.

DI-VORCE, DE-FRIEND AND DE-EMPLOY all the Democrats in your life. Separate yourself from all and any Obama supporting friends, relatives, family members, co-workers, and employees/employers. Do not shop at any stores that cater to Obama supporters. Do not buy products from blue states, and most certainly do not give any blue states your tourist dollars. That includes you Florida, sorry to say.

Start today! De-friend anyone on Facebook who you suspect might have voted Obama.

ericdondero on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM

It’s not Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney’s fault. They ran a fantastic campaign. Thank you Mitt and Paul.

No, it’s your neighbor’s fault, the one with the Obama sign on their lawn. It’s the fault of that socialist sister-in-law you’ve got. It’s the fault of that annoying Obama-bot guy at the gym, always murmuring “Oh-Bah-Mah… Oh-Bah-Mah…” as you do your curls and bench presses. It’s the convenience store owner’s fault. You know the guy where you buy your beer and soda from, who has the “We Accept EBT” sign on the window.

DI-VORCE, DE-FRIEND AND DE-EMPLOY all the Democrats in your life. Separate yourself from all and any Obama supporting friends, relatives, family members, co-workers, and employees/employers. Do not shop at any stores that cater to Obama supporters. Do not buy products from blue states, and most certainly do not give any blue states your tourist dollars. That includes you Florida, sorry to say.

Start today! De-friend anyone on Facebook who you suspect might have voted Obama.

ericdondero on November 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM
——-

HOTAIR 1901 north moore street, suite 701 Arlington Virginia 22209

Virginia is a blue state, so, by your own gasbaggy pledge to not do business with businesses that do business in blue states, you will be banning yourself immediately.

Bye bye, dumbass.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM

We only lost by less than 5 points. We don’t have to change everything about our party!! We lost because a lot of racist blacks turned out to vote more than normal to vote for Obama because he is black.

Dollayo on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM

We only lost by less than 5 points. We don’t have to change everything about our party!! We lost because a lot of racist blacks turned out to vote more than normal to vote for Obama because he is black.

Dollayo on November 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM
——-

You think this is true.

And this is why you will lose again.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Because RACIST!!!!!!!!

That’s why.

The conservative movement is forever dead. They’ve won. We allowed them to paint us as racists without fighting back, now we’re the KKK party.

Even though every piece of racism throughout history was on the LEFT side of the isle, we’ve let them paint us into that corner and we are forever screwed.

It’s a stigma that will never go away in 100 years, so get used to the new norm.

We. Are. Cuba.

Sponge on November 14, 2012 at 11:54 AM

You think this is true.

And this is why you will lose again.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

You won. You’re right. We’re done.

I hope you’re proud. You can go to bed every night for the rest of your life knowing that you helped destroy the greatest thing this world has ever seen and turned the last bastion of hope in the world into a useless, mediocre mirror of Europe socialist CLASS WARFARE.

Douche.

Sponge on November 14, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You won. You’re right. We’re done.

I hope you’re proud. You can go to bed every night for the rest of your life knowing that you helped destroy the greatest thing this world has ever seen and turned the last bastion of hope in the world into a useless, mediocre mirror of Europe socialist CLASS WARFARE.

Douche.

Sponge on November 14, 2012 at 11:56 AM
——

Awww Drama Queen is too upset to pick up the pieces and move to the centre. Don’t worry – someone somewhere in big boys pants will do it and your party will have a shot again. If not, then get ready to cry some more.

Dave Rywall on November 14, 2012 at 12:18 PM

MKH explains we need to go door to door and explain conservatism to people who don’t want to hear it.

As for me. Ain’t happening.

MKH youo better get a better plan than going door to door with an army of “Teachers”

You seem like a nice person MKH but you really don’t seem to be an idea person. you should stick to reporting and leave the planning to others.

Here is how addicts learn. They burn their lives to the ground and when no one wants to talk to them anymore or give them money they decide they need to change. That’s what it is going to take. A more severe failure than we have experienced up till now. Then the toadies will say “Help me” That’s what happened with Carter and Reagan. They didn’t trust Reagan but they finally gave conservatives a chance knowing it doesn’t get worse. Only our success convinced the average Joe of anything and that memory has sadly worn off and must be learned all over. Look at Britian…Labour had to burn it to the ground before they would let conservatives govern. No one makes the hard choice till the gravy train stops and conservative is the hard choice.

Conan on November 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM