Important story of the day: Paul Ryan mentions turnout in cities, which is insensitive or something
posted at 10:11 pm on November 13, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham
Talking to Wisconsin reporters just days after his and Mitt Romney’s loss, Rep. Paul Ryan talked about what it felt like when the returns came in, and he realized they would lose. Ryan called it a “foreign experience,” and said President Obama “won fair and square,” and “we congratulated him for that win.”
He also gave Obama credit for his turnout operation, saying Team Romney was caught off guard by how well it worked.
“We knew this was a close race. We thought we had a very good chance of winning it. I think the surprise was some of the turnout, some of the turnout especially in urban areas, which definitely gave President Obama the big margin to win this race,” he told WISC-TV reporter Jessica Arp. “There’s always an electoral college strategy in winning these things…when we watched Virginia and Ohio coming in, and coming in as tight as they were and then looking like we were gonna lose them, that’s when it became pretty clear to us we weren’t going to win.”
Asked if the voters rejected the Republican vision, Ryan said of the president: “Well, he got turnout. The president should get credit for achieving record-breaking turnout numbers from urban areas for the most part, and that did win the election for him.
“It’s clear we have a country that is divided among a number of issues. We thought that the best thing for the country is to get ahead of our fiscal problems. We offered specific solutions. It didn’t go our way. So obviously we’re disappointed by that. We’re not going to be able to fix this country’s fiscal problems along the way I thought we should have. Whether people intended it or not, we’ve got divided government.”
He expressed surprise again to WISN-TV:
“The numbers we were looking at looked like we stood a pretty good chance of winning. So, when the numbers came in, going the other direction. When we saw the turnout that was occurring in urban areas that were unprecedented, it did come as a bit of a shock. So, those are the toughest losses to have — the ones that catch you by surprise.”
James Hohmann of Politico was first to cry foul, followed by Jonathan Martin of Politico. Wisconsin media was more charitable in its read of Ryan.
Tone deaf Paul Ryan pins blame on “urban areas” for loss, never mind landslide in Fairfax, sizable deficits in non-urban parts of WI, IA
— jmartpolitico (@jmartpolitico) November 13, 2012
He later tweeted the link to the story with the quote.
By noonish it was a NYT piece: “Ryan Surprised by voters in ‘urban areas’”
The remarks prompted scorn from some liberals who viewed Mr. Ryan as blaming inner-city minorities for the Republican defeat.
“Paul Ryan emerged from dustbin of nothingness 2 blame his & Romney’s defeat on “urban” vote,” one person tweeted. “These 2 losers continue 2 demean minorities.”
Another tweeted that “Urban vote” = minorities. Paul Ryan is saying he lost because minorities actually went out and voted. SHOCKER. MINORITIES HAVE RIGHTS, TOO.”
Several people pointed out that Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan also lost some largely rural states with few minorities, like New Hampshire and Iowa. Those losses cannot be explained away by focusing on urban voters, they noted.
That’s true about the rural vote and rural states, but it doesn’t make his point about turnout in cities untrue or insensitive. He was giving a mini-diagnosis, which mentioned states where the GOP ticket had problems throughout cities, suburbs, and suffered a drop-off in rural voters. And, as a conservative who comments on politics in public, let me share this massive irony with you. The day after the election, I hesitated to mention (but did) the missing white, rural vote in Ohio or suburban losses in Virginia on TV because, even though I thought they were relevant, for fear someone would accuse me of racism for unfairly slighting turnout in urban areas!
It truly was remarkable, even to some on the left, and it has been the focus of a huge part of post-election coverage. Nor does urban have to be a euphemism for minority voters. As publications such as Politico note in “The GOP’s big city problem,” the party has problems attracting minority, young, single, voters who live in urban areas. It was those voters whom Obama, without the benefit of ’08′s magic, did the operationally heavy lift of changing from sporadic voters into reliable voters. As nearly every media outlet has told us in the last week, GOP polling underestimated that turnout and was therefore surprised by the result, which is what Ryan said.
“Why Romney Lost,” also in Politico, points out that Team Ryan was surprised by turnout among black voters, which it didn’t expect to be as high as 2008, and chides Republicans operatives “for arguing the demographic point is being overplayed, both by the press and by Romneyland — that the problem was a flawed strategy and, more important, a weak candidate who ran against an incumbent who was personally popular.”
The truth is there were and are many problems. Team Romney and the GOP shouldn’t credit Obama’s impressive analytics and turnout for the win without admitting their own failings, nor should they use demographic shifts as an excuse for losses instead of communicating to new constituencies. But the idea that Ryan repeating the conventional wisdom of the last six days is a racial offense is ridiculous. (Below, please peruse the results of a quick search on this subject among noted non-racist outlets and analysts.)
Ryan is the one who reportedly wanted to make appearances in inner cities to make a pitch for conservative policies on poverty and urban issues. Could it be that he’s echoing the media’s emphasis on demographic shifts because he thinks that’s where the party needs work? Even though Romney failed in turning out parts of white, rural America, there aren’t many who think just fixing that is a strategy for winning future national elections. I’m pretty sure no one really thinks Ryan’s dog-whistling four years in advance to perfect that strategy, yet that’s the implication.
But here’s the larger point and it’s a daunting one. This is the perfect symbol of how much work conservatives must do and how hard it will be to do it. Despite accusations to the contrary, I think it’s fair to say I’ve lived most of my life in something akin to the opposite of a conservative bubble— I never knew more than a handful of conservatives until I visited The Heritage Foundation in 2004. Sometimes it feels deeply unfair to be considered a bad person simply because you happen to differ with someone on the relative expenditures of the federal government, but it doesn’t change that the problem exists. Many people conservatives need to reach and want to help have a dim, sometimes deserved, view of our side and what it has to offer them. And, whether or not it’s fair in every instance, we have to give people a reason to believe differently with smart people, smart politics, smart messaging, and near flawless execution.
Conservatives often talk about talking past the media and taking our message directly to the people. Mitt Romney’s finest moment came Oct. 3 when he did just that. We now have a chance to do that with slightly more than half the country, door to door, many of them in urban centers and predisposed to disagree with us. Earning the right to be heard will not be easy, but we have to start.
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The New Republic‘s Nate Cohn:
Across the entire lowland south, Obama won a larger share of the vote than he did in 2008. Not only did Obama perform better among black voters than in ’08, but Obama’s gains were sufficient to overwhelm losses among white voters. Obama even matched and exceeded his performance in many black counties in North Carolina and Virginia, where one would have suspected that Obama would have already maximized black turnout and support. In 11 predominantly black counties in southeastern Virginia, turnout increased and Obama won more votes than he did in 2008. Obama’s margin of victory in Ohio was almost entirely attributable to historic levels of black turnout in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, and Toledo.
From the New York Times, “Record Latino vote, strongly backing Obama”
The Miami Herald: “Obama won Hispanics by a larger margin than he did in 2008 in Florida, exit polls showed, even though he did worse overall. But Republicans did far worse than they did in 2010, when they captured super-majorities in the Legislature and won the governor’s office and every state Cabinet post.”
The L.A. Times: “The GOP’s demographic problem”
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Love Paul Ryan.
bluegill on March 17, 2013 at 8:02 AM
Speaking of Catholics…
Here’s a somewhat less dignified Irish blessing for Patrick’s Day:
May the wind at your back be not caused by the corned beef & cabbage you had for lunch.
itsnotaboutme on March 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM
…seems pretty good.
We’ve got about 30 GOP governors & nearly that many GOP legislatures in the US.
So we’re affecting our nation big-time already.
As the effects of the policies of, say, Wisconsin are publicly compared to, say, Illinois, a conservative president & Congress are guaranteed.
If people haven’t totally forgotten how to think.
The only way we could destroy such hopes?
By alienating social conservatives.
itsnotaboutme on March 17, 2013 at 8:11 AM
Paul Ryan never met “Big Government” spending he didn’t sigh up for.
Term limits!
Jayrae on March 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM
That’s what we said after O was elected the first time. Nothing is guaranteed when the OFA machine is put into action.
tdarrington on March 17, 2013 at 8:21 AM
Robert Costa from National Review is on C-SPAN at the moment.
22044 on March 17, 2013 at 8:35 AM
Love Paul Ryan.
bluegill on March 17, 2013 at 8:02 AM
Love Brent Bozell
http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/03/16/mrc-president-brent-bozell-lashes-out-at-moderate-republicans-in-cpac-speech/
Mr. Arrogant on March 17, 2013 at 8:40 AM
The mental masturbation these politicians put out is appalling. The politicians live by their “code” and it’s becoming more and more obvious that the BS is overwhelming when anyone can checkout the BS. There are 1300 federal agencies, Google (list of government agencies) while you’re at it Google the (number of staff for Congress) over 23,000 under different titles but still considered staff that are appointed by our supposed Representatives that we have no say, on who, what or where.
mixplix on March 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM
Did I read Ryan’s budget correctly, it increases spending by 3.4%?
Panther on March 17, 2013 at 8:47 AM
good morning HA
they’ll ding palin with the big gulp natch
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 8:48 AM
nice one :)
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 8:51 AM
Krystal Ball is easy on the eyes. Come join the right team, Krystal!
22044 on March 17, 2013 at 8:52 AM
the lsm will focus on pedophile priests, forget about the pope, its all about scandal, scandal, scandal…
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM
I’m in a decent mood this morning, so I’ll give FNS a try. Forget the other shows, though!
22044 on March 17, 2013 at 9:00 AM
The only one that has any Papa analysis seems to be Meet the Press. I’m surprised that it is Francis George, not Timmy D., on the program.
Illinidiva on March 17, 2013 at 9:07 AM
’2016 the sequel’?
yea!
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:08 AM
cuz gregory would ask him, are you upset it wasn’t you who was picked, how do you feel now? that kind of garbage
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:09 AM
will be interesting to see if any of the mention that Gov. Palin looked really really really thin up on stage yesterday…sure hope everything is OK w/her
das411 on March 17, 2013 at 9:17 AM
what’s up with the same sex marriage ads on TV?
i know i’m late to the party, but seriously???
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:19 AM
crowley just focusing on the iraq war ten years later segments…
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:22 AM
Steve LaTourette: my nominee for idiot of the day.
ExpressoBold on March 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Karl Rove & Bill Kristol on on FNS’ panel. Thanks. Turning off now.
22044 on March 17, 2013 at 9:30 AM
nice the bashing…what can ben carson bring to the gop party…
classy candy
/
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM
20 comments here or over 1,000 on the Palin Big Gulp thread….mmmmm…….
Meet the Press hosts Cardinal Francis George, Rep. Chris Van Hollen, Communist-Md., House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating (long time RINO) and former Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend
Face the Nation hosts Ryan, Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Communist-Minn., and RNC/Eunuch Chairman Reince Priebus
This Week hosts Boehner and Rep. Xavier Becerra, Communist-Calif.
Fox News Sunday hosts Sen. Bob Corker, Eunuch-Tenn., Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin Communist-IL, Freedomworks president/CEO Matt Kibbe and former Rep. Steve LaTourette, Eunuch-Ohio.
State of the Union hosts Rep. Mike Rogers, Eunuch-Mich., Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, Communist-Md., Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. Communist-Hawaii, Rep. Tom Cotton, Eunuch-Ark., American Conservative Union President Al Cardenas, Rep. Raul Grijalva, Eunuch-Ariz., and Dr. Ben Carson
…..I can’t think of one of these that doesn’t have firm roots in the D.C. Ruling class. Even Kibbe and Freedomworks, who wasted $8 million in that payoff for services to Dick Armey, is a Steve Forbes guy.
PappyD61 on March 17, 2013 at 9:31 AM
An O/T that has my morning blood boiling:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/03/16/obama-phone-advocates-fight-back-but-call-drops-56010
Mignon (?!? — What, is she a choice cut?) Clyburn, daughter of Rep. James Clyburn, makes the pitch for Obamaphone recipients. After all, how else are OFA activists to stay connected, eh?
onlineanalyst on March 17, 2013 at 9:32 AM
……and on “THIS WEEK” Speaker John “I’ll pass Amnesty even if the gop won’t support it” Boehner.
And still people believe in the gop. Amazing.
PappyD61 on March 17, 2013 at 9:33 AM
he says he absolutely trusts obama
*shaking the head*
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 9:36 AM
.
Karl Rove: my nominee for idiot of the day.
ExpressoBold on March 17, 2013 at 9:26 AM
ExpressoBold on March 17, 2013 at 9:41 AM
…State of the Union…maybe…the others…n o p e !
KOOLAID2 on March 17, 2013 at 9:44 AM
They’ve been running in SW Ohio on Fox Cable for about a month. In the one run here, a young veteran is sitting with his nodding with as he explains his epiphany on SSM since he learned his brother (and best man at his wedding) is gay. He now wants to be best man at his wedding. My problem is that in watching the ad, I can’t help thinking the married brother is on the down low.
BuckeyeSam on March 17, 2013 at 9:54 AM
That’s what I’ve read in the WSJ. At the same time, the AP report carried in my local paper this past Tuesday mentioned “dramatic cuts.”
I hope we can prosecute the media when the roof caves in on our economy and on our society.
BuckeyeSam on March 17, 2013 at 9:57 AM
It’s like Fatso’s budget in NJ. christie cut the rate of growth his budgets have all been larger then the prvious gov of NJ. when most politicians talk about cuts they are only talking about cutting the project future increases. I only know a couple people who actually made real cuts where gov spending was smaller than the previous years. Its all smoke and mirrors.
unseen on March 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM
The beat down Conservatives beat goes on.
All things in moderation unless you’re liberal.
Speakup on March 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM
that’s the one I saw…
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM
“Former Rep. Steve LaTourette, R-Ohio” was absolutely painful to listen to.
Throat Wobbler Mangrove on March 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Then get off your lazy a**** and get a f***** job. Provide for your own damn family. If I have to pay for your family to have basic services, then I want control over what you do with your time. Otherwise STFU you worthless piece of crap.
Coddling the lazy and poor minded needs to stop.
tom daschle concerned on March 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM
+1
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM
So happy to see you posting. I was mortified I’d caused you to not want to post here. I am so very sorry for a poorly thought out comment.
hawkdriver on March 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM
“Allow me to set the record straight,” said Mignon Clyburn, a Democratic member of the Federal Communications Commission according to The Hill. “Without this program, 15 million low-income families would literally be choosing between feeding their children or going without a dial tone that potentially could save their lives and put them on a better economic path.”
Then get off your lazy a**** and get a f***** job. Provide for your own damn family. If I have to pay for your family to have basic services, then I want control over what you do with your time. Otherwise STFU you worthless piece of crap.
Coddling the lazy and poor minded needs to stop.
tom daschle concerned on March 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM
But see, in this country we robbed them, stole their families inheritance and generally are all whitey robber baron filth. So we should be patriotic and give them “a hand up” and let them have some time on the federal sows’ teats.
Drink of the warm milk of slavery to the sow you Obamaphone teaters. But a warning….. when that federal pig turns on it’s piglets it can be ugly.
PappyD61 on March 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Yeah, she’s kind of hot I guess. But she’s an idiot. I really can’t see myself banging her. And, believe me, I set a low bar. The annoyance factor would be too much. Maybe if she’d shut her mouth.
WhatSlushfund on March 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM
Also, Happy St Patrick’s Day Hot Airians!
WhatSlushfund on March 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Hey HD :)
I didn’t see your post…all is well
cmsinaz on March 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM
OMG!!!! Two Sundays in a row; no Graham!! no McCain!! The Apocalyse approaches!!
xkaydet65 on March 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM
…the alphabet channels have gone so overboard with those two…even the networks themselves…are seasick!
KOOLAID2 on March 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Yes, and car magazines feequently feature neat models on their covers that sell about as well as $25,000 watches.
Look at the landscape. You are in a world where you have Fox News constantly under attack for being a propaganda network. You have a leader who was the most leftist member of the congress for the few years he suffered there, and that same leader jokes that the remainder of the media is “his base”. What would the producers of those shows feature?
Lovely idea!
We will probably have them control the post crash options, too. Look at the examination of the last crash and the solution!
We got Dodd-Frank! LOL
Like they used to bleed sick people. THEN BLEED THEM SOME MORE!
IlikedAUH2O on March 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Wha…?! Nothing about gays?!
Jaibones on March 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Wanna deal with the other philosophy?
Here is a comment from March 11 on NPR under the heading of Ben Carson Says No Apology Needed After Controversial Speech:
Really, so you’re telling me that rich republicans don’t have an affinity for taking money from the middle class and poorest Americans to give to the rich? And before you answer that, remember, I have the ENTIRE Republican policy platform that I can reference to prove that fact, starting with Paul Ryan’s budget plan, right down to every Republican who is still fighting to dismantle the only social safety nets that people in poverty have, with the express intent to divert the “savings” to those who have amassed their fortunes from the declining wages of those whose hard work keep industries running. And when those greedy Republican’s greed gets too much and bankrupts everyone except the share holders, or they buy a company with the express purpose to sell it off for parts, or force a company to go bankrupt, leaving all of the employees jobless, yet they walk off with massive profits, that’s not a problem, right? But yeah, rich liberals want to take other people’s money… WHATEVER. Get a new talking point!
IlikedAUH2O on March 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM
I have fought on lefty venues where O’Reilly was racist for not liking that Korean singer.
Where they wanted to kill Paul Ryan.
IlikedAUH2O on March 17, 2013 at 12:19 PM
I loved him on Ghost Hunters.
johnnyU on March 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Yep. He probably would. In fact, Dolan has already gotten that question.. like this is the U.S. Presidential elections or something.
Seriously, it is very clear what Dolan was using the whole conclave for. I don’t think that he ever thought that there was a chance that he would be picked but he shrewdly used the talk to generate positive media and raise his profile. When you have a few political battles that you are fighting at home, all the positive press is good. Although it would have been fun to watch Obama’s head go explode-y over Timothy Dolan as Pope.. but Papa Francisco will be just as fun as we can point out all the ridiculous excesses in Obama’s royal court in contrast.
Illinidiva on March 17, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Keep in mind that these very same people that Mignon Clyburn cries about get food/nutrition support from WIC, EBT, and SNAP subsidized by taxpayer dollars. They probably have help from local community and church food banks, too. Their school-age children are given breakfasts, lunches, and sometimes dinners.
Where does this mooching stop?
onlineanalyst on March 17, 2013 at 2:17 PM
Either Boehner is an utter idiot, or Obama has tape on something he’s done.
Schadenfreude on March 17, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Boehner agrees the debt/deficit are not short=term problems? Did I just hear correctly that he has said this? If so, he is now our true enemy.
Greyledge Gal on March 17, 2013 at 4:25 PM
Hold crap, that guy is a Republican?
If he’s a Republican, starting to wonder what on earth that makes me.
PortlandJon on March 17, 2013 at 6:01 PM