Gingrich: Yeah, we have to get immigration off the table

posted at 12:11 pm on November 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Most readers seem to disagree with my perspective on the necessity of resolving the immigration-reform issue while we still have a say in how it gets implemented. Newt Gingrich, however, sees the same problem that I do, which is that the issue is an albatross around the neck of the GOP as it tries to reach out to non-white voters. “You can’t say to someone, ‘I’d really like to get your vote over jobs,’” Gingrich tells the Morning Joe panel, “‘and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’ It doesn’t work.”

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Jennifer Rubin notes that the immigration problem isn’t just a policy issue, and its damage isn’t limited to Hispanics, either:

Opponents of immigration reform say that the “Asian problem” can’t be because of the party’s stance on illegal immigration because that’s an issue primarily related to Hispanic immigrants from our hemisphere. Wrong.

The party’s position on immigration is off-putting to many ethnic and racial groups because it reflects, they believe, a GOP that doesn’t want them and doesn’t want a diverse society.

David Goldman offers some insight on the subject:

Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America. The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don’t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want. There will be endless discussion during the next few months of [Mitt] Romney’s mistake in moving to the right of Rick Perry on immigration during the Republican primaries, and I will leave the detailed parsing to the professionals. I hope the professionals talk to Asian-Americans first.

Asians now outnumber Hispanics among new immigrants. As Goldman puts it, “If we Republicans can’t persuade our most successful, entrepreneurial, family-oriented citizens to support us, we won’t be in business much longer.”

It’s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy.  Note that the GOP share of the Asian vote declined by an even greater degree in 2012 than the decline in the Hispanic demographic.  The Republican Party has to improve its standing among these demographics — not by pandering, but by offering conservative solutions that improve their lives.  But in order to make the argument, we need to improve the perception of our agenda, and immigration reform is a big obstacle to that goal.


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Newt Gingrich, however, sees the same problem that I do, which is that the issue is an albatross around the neck of the GOP as it tries to reach out to non-white voters. “You can’t say to someone, ‘I’d really like to get your vote over jobs,’” Gingrich tells the Morning Joe panel, “‘and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’ It doesn’t work.”

Expulsion in lieu of going to jail for violating the law. Other places, other times, it would be off to jail. So it’s, “and by the way, we’re putting your grandmother in jail.”

But I’m not sure what’s special about Mexican grandmothers. He’d put mine in jail quicker than blink for violating federal law.

Maybe this explains it: “It doesn’t work.”

He’s not trying to handle this on its own merits; he’s trying to make something more important work.

The leadership of the GOP seems to be trying to win elections, and they seem to be wondering what political positions they should adopt in order to win them. It doesn’t seem to have anything to do with advocating for any particular political philosophy.

Newt needs to understand for his calculus, as he works on his more important things, that people like me are making up our minds that even if we never run things again, we are advocated for a particular way of doing things that we think is the right way to do them. If most people disagree and insist on doing it another way, that’s their affair. Succinctly, I really don’t care if Newt Gingrich ever works again, or if I have to quote John Adams only into my diary out of view of the television set.

Finally, what these guys are doing now is hurting conservatism more than any lost election ever could. It looks like the mother of all mea culpas — sorry, we were wrong about this, that, and pretty much everything else. If committing a grand suicide in public is supposed to be the mature thing to do, “what’s necessary,” I’m sticking with childishness and skipping the sin.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

He had the same point of view during the primary when it was Romney taking the no amnesty position but Romney was a RINO and Newt was the true conservative…

rhombus on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Need a tissue? Pretty sure that fight’s over.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Ed probably wakes up and says, “what would Santorum Bush43 do?”

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

The Democrats succeeded in painting the Republicans as the angry old white male crowd and basicaly had the platform of the party against white males. I don’t think amnesty will garner many votes from the people in this country illegally. Republicans just don’t know anything about messaging.

Doester on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Via Rush:

Reagan won 37% of Hispanic vote in 1984
Reagan did Amnesty in 1986
Bush I won 30% of Hispanic vote in 1988

So AFTER a Republican Amnesty of 1986, Republicans lost 7% of Hispanic vote 2 years later in 1988.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Cheese and crackers…did I actually see diversity brought up in the last paragraph.

Wtf is going on around here?

catmman on November 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Ed and Newt with the same idea.

There you go.

faraway on November 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Univision is the main Spanish Network, and it reports the news like MSNBC would. As long as they’re around, the GOP will be the racist, homophobic, anti-Latino, anti-family party.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

And the GOP thinks that we just have to explain that we’re not racist monsters and that will make them stop. Why would they want to stop when it works so well for them?

The anti-white left is using racism to create and keep power and the GOP thinks we’re going to short circuit their anti-white racism shtick by groveling and saying “B-b-but we’re inclusive! Honest!…” The GOP doesn’t even know what the problem is much less the solution.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

The GOP just has to stop being the ahole party. Stop talking about illegal alien criminals, drunkards, deportation, and welfare.

Just stick to law and order, and if you must, grant work permits to truly bright individuals who majored in math or science. Give citizenship to doctors and military men… deport lawyers, eff them.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That would be doing something right and the GOP is incapable of doing anything right.

The Cheap Labor Lobby and their allies in the NY/DC/LA ruling class have spoken: We need more people who can’t speak English to pour in here, get on welfare, and counter the American peasants calling for less government, more reform, and taking our power away from us.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Maybe we could just charge the immigrants an admission fee to pay off the debt. That would slow them down.

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

I have to admit it Democrats are just smarter than Republicans playing the politics game. Republicans will pass amnesty and get absoultly noting for it.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Secure the border, eliminate the magnets, pass e-verify.

Part of the ahole factor is raids. Nobody likes to see a kids parents deported while a kid is at school. Raids should target employers, don’t deport parents. Univision always has these stories, they’re heart wrenching.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Hispanics will be liberal Dems

they will vote for lady parts and dead babies

keep Obama in president you know

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Sounds like a good plan.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM

There is no difference among the parties.

Harlots unite!

The producers should quit financing the looters, from the left, to the right.

They live good and laugh at you.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM

So what’s the excuse for why African-americans don’t vote for the GOP?

The fact of the matter is that large segments of our population have bought into the notion that success is a zero-sum game. One person’s success means someone else has to lose.

Until we change that, nothing else will matter.

pervcon on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Surrender is the fastest way to end a war…

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Winner

faraway on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I have to admit it Democrats are just smarter than Republicans playing the politics game. Republicans will pass amnesty and get absoultly noting for it.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

But Ed will feel real good about himself.

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I have to admit it Democrats are just smarter than Republicans playing the politics game. Republicans will pass amnesty and get absoultly noting for it.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Call the Dem’s bluff, give’em what they want for amnesty, just give them the right to vote.

The Dem’s will go crazy because they need the voters.

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

OC,

You can see it coming. They’ll pass it, another 50 million or so will flood across the border and in the ensuing bureaucratic chaos, all thoughts of any border security will gleefully get lost in the shuffle.

catmman on November 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM

By all means, amnesty for all. Throw open the borders, open up the hospital ER’s…. Food stamps for everyone… Let’s all speak Spanish, get rid of our embarrassing flag. Who cares about what the law is.. we gotta save grandma!

kringeesmom on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Dadgum, GOP. Why don’t you just rename yourself, Democratic Party II, and get it over with?

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Wtf is going on around here?

catmman on November 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

When you figure it out, could you let me know?

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

not by pandering, but by offering conservative solutions that improve their lives.

How? Is this what the government should be doing? Improving the lives of …Hispanics? Again, how?

Dongemaharu on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

United States

Estados Unidos

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Good grief! Legalizing all these illegals will not remedy the fact that these folks are predominantly from socialized countries and identify with and support big government policies and will thereby vote democrat. Their whole belief in the role of government is totally foreign to what conservatives believe. Before these immigrants will vote for republicans, they need to be educated about conservative principles and how they relate to our Constitution. Until that happens, you can legalize all you want and they will still vote democrat.

KickandSwimMom on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Why should we be worried? Romney got approximately 3M fewer votes than McCain in ’08, Obama got 8M fewer. Now that’s a problem.

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

It’s simple: understand that the rest of the world cannot comprehend why a society would insist that wealthy people deserve better education and health care. You can be as socially conservative as you want, but you can’t go on defending a system that puts the wealthy first.

ernesto on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Here in Manhattan, the Marmara Manhattan hotel has planted its flag, staked its claim in a whole new area of amenities and concierge services: Birth Tourism!

For the very low price of $5,100, plus taxes,(and medical fees of around $20,000), the hotel will provide an exclusive package deal that includes “a one-bedroom suite accommodation for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the new mother…that wishes to give birth in the USA, with the additional bonus of the newborn child gaining American citizenship.”

Now, why didn’t I think of that? Instead of waiting in line and spending a tonne of money, I could have just gotten pregnant and chequed into the Marmara Manhattan. We know that the Federal government is loathe to deport the illegal mums of American-born tots!

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Most of that happens on the West coast, and their customers are mostly wealthy Chinese that are worried about the political stability of China.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

We do not need policy fine-tuning. We need to become known as a party that stands for something. Liberty would be a good thing to stand for. But sure, big-government-on-a-smaller-scale, that could work too, this time

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Hey, Remember all those smart people who said that Romney would win? Yeah, same smart people are telling us we must have amnesty, and we must have it now.

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Estados Unidos

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

aye carumba

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM

catmman on November 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM

exactamundo….there will never be border security….

dems will get what they want and the gop will get hosed

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Newt had to agree to say something bad about conservatives in order to appear on TV.

What’s Ed’s excuse?

faraway on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

they want santa claus…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Jan Brewer Has Established a PAC to Secure Borders:

Dear Friends,

Please see the statement below from Governor Brewer released this past Friday regarding the ongoing fight to secure our borders.

Despite last weeks disappointing election results, Governor Brewer is going to continue to fight for the rule of law and securing our borders before addressing our broken immigration system.

Thank you for always standing with us as we continue our fight!

Sincerely,

JanPAC

STATEMENT FROM GOVERNOR JAN BREWER
No More Broken Promises on Border Security
“If there is any consolation in last week’s disappointing election results it is that illegal immigration has returned to the forefront of our national dialogue. This is a good thing. America’s immigration system is broken.

“But we must not rush head-long into a ‘solution’ that only makes things worse. Right now, there are well-meaning people – including some in my own party – who are advocating a grand bargain in which the American people would be promised border security in exchange for the granting of amnesty to tens of millions of illegal aliens. We’ve been here before.

“I remember it was in 1986 that my idol, President Reagan, helped usher through a similar compromise. Three million aliens became American citizens; the border was never secured. In fact, recent American history is littered with similar broken promises when it comes to border security.

“That’s why I have a simple request for the President and Congress: Secure our border first. Demonstrate that you take seriously the safety concerns of Americans living in the border region. With that completed, we can pursue – together – ways to fix our Nation’s broader immigration system in a fashion that is effective, practical and humane.”

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Now, why didn’t I think of that? Instead of waiting in line and spending a tonne of money, I could have just gotten pregnant and chequed into the Marmara Manhattan. We know that the Federal government is loathe to deport the illegal mums of American-born tots!

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM

You sound British. Why do you care?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I’m not a Republican any longer. I’ve had enough, and these people make me sick to my stomach.

ellifint on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

¿El Partido Republicano consiente a los hispanos ofreciendo otra Amnistía?. Esto es a que distancia nuestra nación se ha caído. Este partido(parte) es terminado.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM

YGTBFKM!

blatantblue on November 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I support the Limbaugh Plan: Amnesty, but they are to have no vote for 25 years.

It’s a proposal that will tell us what the left is actually interested in, the well-being of these people or just their votes.

petefrt on November 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Newt worked to weaken e-verify when he was speaker.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM

¿Por qué cree el Partido Republicano que la Amnistía sobornaría el voto hispano? Esto no los sobornó en 1986 durante Reagan Amnesty. ¡Dos años más tarde el Partido republicano PERDIÓ el siete por ciento del voto hispano!

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Wow, if Romney had won 40 percent of hispanics instead of about 30 percent, that would have given him almost 49 percent of the total vote and not 48 percent. Romney still would have lost the election, but gosh darnit, that would have been proof that hispanics really love the GOP.

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Oh goody. Ed has the Blathermeister of Newtonian Polemics on his side. I.E., let us pay to be ‘liked’.

It won’t get us anything deeper down the hole.

M240H on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I support the Limbaugh Plan: Amnesty, but they are to have no vote for 25 years.

It’s a proposal that will tell us what the left is actually interested in, the well-being of these people or just their votes.

petefrt on November 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Know what the problem with the Limbaugh Plan is: within five years the Dems will pass a law to overturn it.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Of some note:

Seems like being in a debate with a Democrat.

Change the subject and bring in something off the wall.

The subject from things like the Constitution, winning elections, getting out the vote, getting more people registered and to the polls on vote days. More real conservatives elected. Hell even a bit of good news on say Ted Cruz. But not, why?

Off on this non starter idea of allowing the commie Democrats to win via amnesty and on going open borders.

Odd I say.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

And just when I think it’s safe to register as a Republican…

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

So, the idea is to convert millions of non-citizen Hispanics who can’t vote (legally, anyway) into Democrat-voting citizens? Brilliant.

Barnestormer on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

United States

Estados Unidos

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

para ingles…prensas dos por favor.

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

So AFTER a Republican Amnesty of 1986, Republicans lost 7% of Hispanic vote 2 years later in 1988.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Newt? Ed?

Right Mover on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You sound British. Why do you care?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

I’m glad he cares and, if you were smart, you’d care about what happens in the UK, also.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

So AFTER a Republican Amnesty of 1986, Republicans lost 7% of Hispanic vote 2 years later in 1988.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

That illustrates what I’ve been saying. We’ve done amnesty two or three times before, but we still haven’t secured the border.

The dems give nothing. They do not compromise. FIGHT for crying out loud!

dogsoldier on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don’t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want.

Largely by design, I suspect. The left lives off the dependent class, so those most likely to be dependent are favored by the immigration law.

petefrt on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Nuestra economía ya frágil no puede sostener un influjo enorme de nuevos ‘ciudadanos’. Muchos de ellos serán un desagüe en el sistema. Hasta que las fronteras sean seguras, la Amnistía no es hasta una posibilidad.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Hey, who wants to see the Republican presidential nominee lose the Commonwealth of Virginia by 10+ percent in each election for the next 50 years?

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I keep think the fiscal cliff is 45 days. Tax increases and Obamacare. But yet the GOP is wetting itself with illegals.

Let me tell in 6 months the economy will be so bad this won’t be a subject.

Really, we need a Coservative Party and let the GOP Wigs fade into history.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM

petefrt on November 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I like the idea of making them legal perm residents and never citizens, personally.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM

So AFTER a Republican Amnesty of 1986, Republicans lost 7% of Hispanic vote 2 years later in 1988.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Newt? Ed?

Right Mover on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Einstein

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM

GOP becoming a lite version of the DNC

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

GOP becoming the DNC.

DNC becoming the Communist Party.

FIFY.

/Buck Farack/

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM

You sound British. Why do you care?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

*sip*

Yeah, Resist. Why do you care? :)

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM

“Assume in a decade all 10 million became citizens and voted like the Hispanics, black folks and Asians already here. The best the GOP could expect — the Bush share in 2004 — would be 40 percent, or 4 million of those votes.

But if Tuesday’s percentages held, Democrats would get not just 6 million, but 7 million new votes to the GOP’s less than 3 million.

Thus, if we assume the percentages of the last three elections hold, the Democratic Party would eventually gain from an amnesty a net of between 2 and 4 million new voters.

Easy to understand why Democrats are for this. But why would a Republican Party that is not suicidally inclined favor it?

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:06 PM

So what’s the excuse for why African-americans don’t vote for the GOP?

The fact of the matter is that large segments of our population have bought into the notion that success is a zero-sum game. One person’s success means someone else has to lose.

Until we change that, nothing else will matter.

pervcon on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Yes. It’s the Zero Sum fallacy and is at the heart of the Progressive ideology itself.

visions on November 13, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Nuestra economía ya frágil no puede sostener un influjo enorme de nuevos ‘ciudadanos’. Muchos de ellos serán un desagüe en el sistema. Hasta que las fronteras sean seguras, la Amnistía no es hasta una posibilidad.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

América ya está muerto.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

I’m glad he cares and, if you were smart, you’d care about what happens in the UK, also.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Not to the point of arguing potential vs. enacted policy, no. Also.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Know what the problem with the Limbaugh Plan is: within five years the Dems will pass a law to overturn it.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Yes, or a liberal Supreme Court will rule that it’s unconstitutional to have second-class citizens.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

What’s Ed’s excuse?

faraway on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

A mixture of blind, unreasoning panic and a conviction that if we just vote for amnesty, the media won’t be able to call us racist anymore and that those 30 million of so illegal immigrants will rush en masse to the polling places to vote GOP. He’s joined the rest of the GOP leadership in stampeding right off the cliff.

Doomberg on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Lots of birth motels on the Texas border.

They come to the motels on the Mexican side.

When the baby starts to kick up they take a taxi to a “birthing hospital on the Texas side.

Citizen.

like that

Open treason in my opinion.

Both parties know and do nothing.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Nuestra economía ya frágil no puede sostener un influjo enorme de nuevos ‘ciudadanos’. Muchos de ellos serán un desagüe en el sistema. Hasta que las fronteras sean seguras, la Amnistía no es hasta una posibilidad.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

No puedes decir eso. Muchos Latinos les cai mal si les dices que van hacer eso. Jorge Ramos va ha insistir que inmigrantes ayudan la economia en otras formas.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

So… we lost Ohio because of Latinos?

RINOs are 0 for 3 in the last 3 elections.

I agree, it’s time to try something something else.

faraway on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Not to the point of arguing potential vs. enacted policy, no. Also.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Ah, I see. You’re an idiot.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM

LOL. Touche.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM

*sip*

Yeah, Resist. Why do you care? :)

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Because she came here the legal way, is now a citizen and cares what happens to this country?

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Ah, I see. You’re an idiot.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Absolutely brilliant response. How many times did your mother drop you on your head as a child?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Here is the bottom line…

… After 50 million abortions, the political elite ruling class understands that we don’t have the domestic population replacement to pay the taxes needed for all the promised entitlements.

Social Security and Medicare are going broke, and there are not enough tax paying bodies to support their Ponzi schemes…

… So, instead of fixing the out of control spending and the rampant fraud, waste, and abuse of these failing programs, the easy answer is amnesty.

Problem solved…

… for the next twenty minutes.

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Tim you live in CA. I think if you pass anmesty you will a ton of Asian illegals. Both me and parents are living in cities are turning Asians. My wife works at a hospital in Orange County and I was shocked to find out most of the medicare funds for the poor are spend on old Asians not Mexicans.

Oil Can on November 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM

It’s simple: understand that the rest of the world cannot comprehend why a society would insist that wealthy people deserve better education and health care. You can be as socially conservative as you want, but you can’t go on defending a system that puts the wealthy first.

ernesto on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

The system doesn’t put the wealthy first. Everyone has the same rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No one has a guarantee of anything and you have no right to demand the fruits of another person’s labour.

And, let me tell you something, I happen to be from the UK. If you think that everyone gets the same quality of education and healthcare, then you are a stark, raving, batshyt loon. Britain and Europe have always had a class system going back to Medieval times. Then and now, the rich receive(d) better education and healthcare. And, guess what? 500 years from now, it will be the same way.

America is a much more egalitarian country than much of Europe. JK Rowling is a rarity. Upward-mobility is a rarity. Most people live and die in the same class strata that their grandparents did.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don’t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want

Who gets to decide which illegals we want to keep out? More importantly which ones do we want? Do we want the workers who will do the crap work for crap wages – thus allowing wages to stay low? Do we want the extended familis who need govt services but contribute little?

If we had nice neat laws able to keep out the dregs wouldn’t we have already passed them?

katiejane on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

No puedes decir eso. Muchos Latinos les cai mal si les dices que van hacer eso. Jorge Ramos va ha insistir que inmigrantes ayudan la economia en otras formas.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Ellos hacen daño más entonces a la ayuda. Los ciudadanos legítimos no tendrían que competir por empleos con aquellos que no son suponen para estar aquí.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Hasta que las fronteras sean seguras, la Amnistía no es hasta una posibilidad.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 PM

¡no te chives senior morrisey!

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Let’s see, non-whites vote overwhelmingly for the welfare party, the Democrats.

Stupid people then suggest that the immigrants on welfare will vote Republican when we allow more of them in the country?

Stupid Party is as the Stupid Party does.

federale86 on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Because she came here the legal way, is now a citizen and cares what happens to this country?

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Be quiet, JPeterman. I wanted to see her do it. There was a 50/50 chance the question pissed her off, and she’s hot when she’s swinging both swords at once. :)

Also a chance she just shrugged it off, but . . . we roll the dice.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Because she came here the legal way, is now a citizen and cares what happens to this country?

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 1:09 PM

That would be one reason. Is RWM an immigrant cum caring citizen?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Dadgum, GOP. Why don’t you just rename yourself, Democratic Party II, and get it over with?

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

They have to give the sheeple the feeling that they have choices. Even while they take away any real choice.

We lost this election because Conservatives stayed home. This is well known but that truth can not get out. It would expose the Democrats inside the GOP.

But I no longer identify as GOP is absolutely disgusted with the GOP it is time to make a real third Party. The GOP is the new Whig party worthless.

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Most readers seem to disagree with my perspective on the necessity of resolving the immigration-reform issue while we still have a say in how it gets implemented.

We’ll have a say in how it’s implemented like we did in 1986. When Democrats make good on their promise of a wall, THEN we’ll talk.

Glenn Jericho on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

ernesto on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Blah blah blah *fart* blah blah blah.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Estados Unidos

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Estados Perdidos

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM

You sound British. Why do you care?

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 PM

How about the fact that I became a naturalised American in 2002 after obeying the rules?

Is that good enough for you or are you just another Leftist that tells me that I’m not a “real” American and should “go home”?

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM

the GOP wants twelve million new Dems

well that sounds great for the dead baby business

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM

ps

Mexico is the country that puts the wealthy first, that is why the poor of Mexico risk death to come here to the U.S..

The problem is down there not here.

The Mexicans should fight for freedom and justice in their home land not flee here and take from U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I just asked the question.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I assume that your hangover from celebrating Obama’s victory is gone by now. Have you started drafting Articles to impeach him yet?

You’re such a genius.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM

It’s simple: understand that the rest of the world cannot comprehend why a society would insist that wealthy people deserve better education and health care. You can be as socially conservative as you want, but you can’t go on defending a system that puts the wealthy first.

ernesto on November 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Wake up you incredible fool. Nowhere in the world was the middle class bigger than in the USA. The decline of the middle class, which Obama enables, is the decline of the land.

The rich were and always will be rich. The poor benefitted enormously by the fairly off middle class.

Now the poor are/will be poorer, the middle class will be poor and the rich will always be rich – see the Obamas.

Ger your stupid head out of your azz, or suffocate in there. God, you are a stupid specimen.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Estados Perdidos

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Sí. Destrucción de Todos Unidos.

¿Están ciegos para ver qué va a pasar?

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Guys, my Google Translate can’t keep up!

Es lebe die einzig wahre Sprache.

Nutstuyu on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Get your stupid head out of your azz, fool.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 PM

How about the fact that I became a naturalised American in 2002 after obeying the rules?

Is that good enough for you or are you just another Leftist that tells me that I’m not a “real” American and should “go home”?

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Apparently, she’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 PM

we need drug policy reform

Mexico is drowning in violence, thanks to the pothead Usurper In Chief

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 1:18 PM

YGTBFKM!

blatantblue on November 13, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I wish.

BBL

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:18 PM

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