Gingrich: Yeah, we have to get immigration off the table

posted at 12:11 pm on November 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Most readers seem to disagree with my perspective on the necessity of resolving the immigration-reform issue while we still have a say in how it gets implemented. Newt Gingrich, however, sees the same problem that I do, which is that the issue is an albatross around the neck of the GOP as it tries to reach out to non-white voters. “You can’t say to someone, ‘I’d really like to get your vote over jobs,’” Gingrich tells the Morning Joe panel, “‘and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’ It doesn’t work.”

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Jennifer Rubin notes that the immigration problem isn’t just a policy issue, and its damage isn’t limited to Hispanics, either:

Opponents of immigration reform say that the “Asian problem” can’t be because of the party’s stance on illegal immigration because that’s an issue primarily related to Hispanic immigrants from our hemisphere. Wrong.

The party’s position on immigration is off-putting to many ethnic and racial groups because it reflects, they believe, a GOP that doesn’t want them and doesn’t want a diverse society.

David Goldman offers some insight on the subject:

Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America. The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we don’t want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want. There will be endless discussion during the next few months of [Mitt] Romney’s mistake in moving to the right of Rick Perry on immigration during the Republican primaries, and I will leave the detailed parsing to the professionals. I hope the professionals talk to Asian-Americans first.

Asians now outnumber Hispanics among new immigrants. As Goldman puts it, “If we Republicans can’t persuade our most successful, entrepreneurial, family-oriented citizens to support us, we won’t be in business much longer.”

It’s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy.  Note that the GOP share of the Asian vote declined by an even greater degree in 2012 than the decline in the Hispanic demographic.  The Republican Party has to improve its standing among these demographics — not by pandering, but by offering conservative solutions that improve their lives.  But in order to make the argument, we need to improve the perception of our agenda, and immigration reform is a big obstacle to that goal.


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We’re still waiting on the security part from 1986. Get back to us when that happens. Until then, FORGET IT. I’ll never vote GOP again if they embrace amnesty. NEVER.

SirGawain on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

The GOPe (Gingrich, Rove, Jeb, etc) is saying that all we need to do is pass amnesty and Voila!, Republicans will have Hispanics in the bag!

Really? If that were true, then they should take a good look at history:

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man who legalised millions of Hispanics, George H W Bush, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Adios, Adios, Miss American Pie? Not Necessarily.

M2RB: Don McLean

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

GOP becoming a lite version of the DNC

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Yeah… off our table, and onto a pathologist’s table!

Archivarix on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Gingrich tells the Morning Joe panel, “‘and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’ It doesn’t work.”

Strawman.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Comprehensive, immigration reform is needed…but not pandering.

Reagan had a model…need to be employed, speak English, be “legal” not a criminal, etc.

He had a great model, it was a pathway to citizenship, a PATH, not a gift…and it worked until the dems dismantled it.

right2bright on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

GOP becoming a lite version of the DNC

Steveangell on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

A slut for DNC.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Reagan had a model…need to be employed, speak English, be “legal” not a criminal, etc.

He had a great model, it was a pathway to citizenship, a PATH, not a gift…and it worked until the dems dismantled it.

right2bright on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

If only Reagan had voted for amnesty. Everyone would vote for GOP.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

REALLY, Ed? Using first Grahamnesty, now Gingrich for your “let’s make a deal” argument?

At least they are more honest about ‘buying hispanic votes’ than you.

Sir Napsalot on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The GOP will not win the Latino vote. This will add another 10-15 million democrats. No Amnesty.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

They will not close the border first, oh what the h…………

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 12:18 PM

It’s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy.

Are you kidding me? The GOP has been locked out of urban centers for 40 years. The only time a Republican is elected in an urban center is when the incumbent Democrat is carted off to jail. Even then the Republican won’t win the majority of the time.

Rocks on November 13, 2012 at 12:18 PM

It’s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy.

That’s true. But until we eliminate that perceived hostility, amnesty isn’t going to help us win. In fact, it will make it harder to win, because we’ll be bringing in millions of hostile potential voters. Step 1 is to convince immigrants that we’re fans of them, and that we want to work toward a safer and more prosperous America for everyone who’s here.

Oh, and why should we be listening to Newt? Tomorrow he’ll have a different radical idea for immigration reform.

hawksruleva on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Let everyone in, everyone.

No education? Great.

Career criminal? Awesome.

Raving jihadist? Welcome.

25 family members in tow who can’t speak English? Cool.

Only useable skill is operating a shovel? Wooo hoooo.

Existing medical condition requiring specialist care? Come on in.

Have zero interest in assimilating? Let me hold the door for you.

Let them all in and let them in now, I want Utopia.

Bishop on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Adios, Adios, Miss American Pie? Not Necessarily.

M2RB: Don McLean

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Fool med once…

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

What part of ‘stupid idea’ do the GOP not understand?

And Ed too…

ChuckTX on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

As someone who lives in Southern California, here is the skinny…

… Either we secure our borders and enforce the laws already on the books, or we pander and dither for another five years and then it won’t matter anymore.

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Sure, GOP. Let’s give the Democrats some more voters. Brilliant.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

No You don’t! No matter how many times you repeat the same stupid idea, it will still be a stupid idea! NO AMNESTY TIL THE BORDER IS SECURED! FU rinos/libs! If you want millions of people in the streets then try it! It will be the last time a rino gets anywhere near public office. BTW, you can say the same stupid statement til you’re blue in the face and it will still be a stupid statement rejected by rational Americans!
Fight the Obama Enemy media or Kiss the Constitution Goodbye: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Asians now outnumber Hispanics among new LEGAL immigrants.

FIFY, what a joke.

Rocks on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM

No Negotiations until the Border Fence/Wall is built, and a complete staff to guard it.

Until then, go pound sand.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM

The GOP will not win the Latino vote. This will add another 10-15 million democrats. No Amnesty.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Exactly.

Just like caving on Gay Marriage will not gain any votes (they will continue to vote Dem); but instead alienate 40% of the GOP base and result in huge net loss of votes.

Norwegian on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Surrender.

WordsMatter on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Problem is that Democrats will claim in any deal they overcame the racist, anti-Hispanic Republicans. They will take that one step further to state Republicans can’t be trusted.

Anyone believing that a “deal” on immigration would cease Democrats false attacks or make us appeal better to Hispanics, is not thinking clearly. Nor are they a very astute student of history.

Mark my words; the next attack on our country will somehow involve the border. Either people or material used in any potential assault will be traced to that crossing and lax enforcement. We will rue that day.

Marcus Traianus on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Univision locked down illegal aliens as Democrats. Every viewer of Univision knows that the GOP backed SB 1070, every viewer believes it give police the right to pull over people for being brown or speaking Spanish.

The GOP has been slaughtered among its viewers. You can take immigration off the table, but they’ll still vote against you for being ‘racists’

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM

California here we come.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Mind blowing election fact:

The last time the Republicans won a presidential election without a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket was 1928.

Syd B. on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Let everyone in, everyone.

No education? Great.

Career criminal? Awesome.

Raving jihadist? Welcome.

25 family members in tow who can’t speak English? Cool.

Only useable skill is operating a shovel? Wooo hoooo.

Existing medical condition requiring specialist care? Come on in.

Have zero interest in assimilating? Let me hold the door for you.

Let them all in and let them in now, I want Utopia.

Bishop on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Such approach actually made sense before the Social Net evolved into a hammock (with possible exception of “raving jihadists”). I don’t mind unskilled Mexicans coming over – as long as they pay for their own food, healthcare, and education, milk a private liberal charity for it all, or die out the old-fashioned Darwinian way.

Archivarix on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Four more years of Obama equals a path back to Mexico where they will be able to make a good living compared to America. Best plan going!!

Deano1952 on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM

What did the GOP learn from the 2012 Election?

“We need a Half Black, Half Latino, Lesbian, with 2 Children, has had 4 abortions, and demands Amnesty to be our Next GOP Nominee!”

This is UNFREAKING Believable.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Let’s say the GOP does go for blanket amnesty, what do we do when the next wave decides to rush the border, let them in or revert back to bigotry. There is a reason we’re being overrun and it’s because almost every nation south of us is a basket-case; a neon sign here saying “Come on in, no wait” will be the new beacon and we can tear down the Statue of Liberty.

Support this and the possible vote of one formerly illegal immigrant will be canceled out by definitely losing my vote.

Bishop on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Did Newt say something about asking for their votes..?

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM

What part of ‘stupid idea’ do the GOP not understand?

And Ed too…

ChuckTX on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Surrender is the fastest way to end a war…

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

There is no going back from amnesty. We can undo tax hikes, we cannot undo a voting base that votes socialist.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

I wrote the following, back on June 26, 2010. I still believe it.

I understand that people want a better life for themselves and their children. We are all immigrants in this land, expect for American Indians, and they got here by crossing the Bering Straight. But there is a huge difference between immigrating here legally and sneaking in illegally, between assimilating into an existing culture, and insisting on replacing a country’s existing culture with that of the country you left.

I’m all for assisting anyone in becoming a legal citizen of the United States, if that is their wish. But, it must be done the right way, and they must accept responsibility for their illegal entry, show a willingness to learn our language, and embrace our American way of life, including respecting the American Flag.

A wide-open Southern Border is as big a threat to the sovereignty of the United States as anything that our enemies can throw at us right now. Mr. President, quit playing political games. The safety of America is at stake . SECURE THE BORDER NOW.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

California here we come.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Mexico, here we come.
Brian Terry so sorry.
You lost your life for nothing.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America.

Well, gee whiz, isn’t that just too bad.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

What did the GOP learn from the 2012 Election?

“We need a Half Black, Half Latino, Lesbian, with 2 Children, has had 4 abortions, and demands Amnesty to be our Next GOP Nominee!”

This is UNFREAKING Believable.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Muslim, you forgot muslim.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Let’s say the GOP lets OBAMA pass amnesty. Who are illegals going to reward?

Obama, who’s been promising for 5 years that if they had his back he would have theirs, or the GOP who’s responsible for SB 1070, some Alabama law, voter ID, and Joe Arpaio (all of which are racist against Latinos).

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM

How about we just form a North American Union and have it governed under the auspices of the United Nations…yeah that’s the ticket.

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM

In other words, we have allowed so many illegal aliens into the country that they now run America and their wants and desires are the only ones that matter.

America is dead. Open up the borders completely and let in anyone who wants to come in. It doesn’t matter anymore. The left wanted to destroy American nationalism to destroy American power and they succeeded. They’ve won.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America.

Yes, Asian-Americans voted for Democrats because Democrats want to expand H-1 Visas even moreson than Republicans like Bill Clinton did.

sentinelrules on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM

desperate GOP means amnesty to get votes for politicians, the border never closes, illegals take less in pay and put Americans on welfare. sounds like a recipe for success!

burserker on November 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Yeah, let’s allow law breakers indulge more on our welfare system so they can vote DEMOCRAT for generations to come.

Not buying BS.

b1jetmech on November 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Since America has essentially been disassembled by unrestricted immigration, states who desire to do so should be allowed to split off and form a nation with laws and borders similar to what America once was.

Django on November 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So, let’s say the states are a laboratory for national policy.

Could we look at some states dealing with immigration issues for a clue about how to win elections that include large numbers of Latino voters?

What form of amnesty are Texas and Arizona advocating? And if Washington did pass amnesty, how would those states be affected?

hawksruleva on November 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Even IF you lose the voters against amnesty.
Lose, lose.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

For over 2 hundred years, people from foreign lands have arrived on the shores of America, seeking freedom and the opportunity to better their lives. They were drawn to the limitless future that America promised, as symbolized by Lady Liberty herself, greeting them as they arrived in the New World. They saw the light from her torch reflected from that shining city on the hill. They wanted to be legal citizens of the United States and rightfully claim their share of the American Dream.

Now, however, it’s a different story. There are strangers in our house. They did not ask permission to come in our front door. They sneaked in through the back door. They have embraced all the priviledges of American life, while accepting none of the responsibilities. They expect us to learn their language and want us to fly our flag in a subordinate position to theirs.

All the while, our Federal Government is condoning this breaking and entering. Then, when a state passes a law to protect their citizens, after a good man gets murdered by one of these intruders, the government not only condemns the state and makes fun of it, they apologize to our enemies for the action .

…Pass the Tylenol.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

No offense, but all this amnesty talk by the GOP all of a sudden looks to us like old white people panicking… Univision is reporting it that way too, except they say old white anti-immigrant/anti-Latino people panicking.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

How many illegals are on government assistance..?

d1carter on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

This is absolute insanity, and it will be the death of the GOP, period. Yes, we are against illegal immigration, but we have no problem with those who come here legally. THAT is what we need to emphasize. It’s not about their ethnicity, or what language they speak…it’s about following the rule of law, something we used to have some respect for here. Other countries won’t let you in at all unless you can be of some value to them, yet somehow we’re horrible human beings for wanting a secure border.

And politically, what sense does it make to legalize tens of millions of new voters for Democrats? Are we trying to turn Texas blue?

changer1701 on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

immigration reform is fine and dandy, it’s the amnesty part that just won’t work…
it’s the dems get their issues taken care of right away and the gop issues will never see the light of day..

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Americans should start illegally immigrating to Mexico…

equanimous on November 13, 2012 at 12:33 PM

It seems like we’ve reached one tipping point – takers vs. makers.

How soon before a bloody one?

freedomfirst on November 13, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Republicans freed the slaves and voted for the Civil Rights Act against Southern Democrats who enacted Jim Crow Laws and had leaders like Bull Connor

… yet “African Americans” vote in lock step for Democrats.

Now Amnesty for illegals without securing the border…

I’ve seen this movie before…

… It does not end well for us.

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Say NO to AMNESTY. Secure the border, bring in people legally from Venezuela, Poland, and India.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 PM

They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Math is hard – the GOP does not have any brains…they are liberal lites…

Reforming immigration will just speed up the demise of the “GOP”…..

Conservatives are preparing – liberals are thinking they will have a seat at the table….

Boy are they in for a rude awakening….

redguy on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Ed, citing Newt, as an expert in immigration reform ain’t going to cut it! He did one big thing in his Congressional career, which was engineering the ass-kicking by the GOP in the 1994 off-year election. He then commenced to get too enthralled with his position and the victory in ’94 and began to undo all the good he accomplished.

Gingrich was a terrible Speaker and became a real embarrassment. So, that amounts to strike two for you! Plus, this amounts to another knee jerk response to a defeat at the polls. It is further exaggerated by your willingness to surrender our constitutional principle of protecting the sovereignty of the USA!Is that so difficult to grasp? Forgive these lawbreakers, who have so little respect for us they blatantly violate our laws? That borders on insanity!

tomshup on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Reoconquista…the new reparations….

freedomfirst on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

love diversity…love immigration

don’t love people breaking the law and giving them a pass…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Strawman.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Agreed.

No offense, but all this amnesty talk by the GOP all of a sudden looks to us like old white people panicking… Univision is reporting it that way too, except they say old white anti-immigrant/anti-Latino people panicking.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Agreed.

Ed, no offense to you and Newt, but -NO-. HELL NO.

We need to grow a pair and act like they’re made of Stainless Steel.

Stand and be true.

dogsoldier on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

It’s that perceived hostility to diversity that will lock the GOP out of urban centers, where Democrats enjoyed a big turnout, even with a better economic message and policy.

Hilarious.

Thought I knew you Ed.

Let me help you out my squish buddy…..we’re NEVER going to get the “give me stuff” crowd. Ever.

I’m glad you’re willing to give up conservative principles to “enjoy” what you beleive will be some sort of voter pick-up.

I’m not. I guess I’m one of those neo-cons who beleives in the rule of law, and is tired of watching politicians ignore the will of the people.

But hey…thats just me.

Now that you’re making some scratch….you seem to have lost your way.

Typical….but disappointing none-the-less.

Squish on, HA!

Tim_CA on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Ed,

There is a reason this guy is out selling books.

He is real good at selling, but not so good at knowing.

Being smart and acting with good sense are way off from each other.

Your selling to hard yourself.

Take a few days off think a bit, check out LA, and other open border cities.

Check out the history down Mexicao way, how they vote.

Check out the facts.

If you want to wave the white flag, go out and wave it alone.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/08/the-fiscal-cliff-and-the-keyser-soze-option/

In the movie Usual Suspects, Keyser Soze is confronted with the fact that his wife and children would be an impediment in dealing with his business competitors. In a way the House GOP finds itself in the same position as Keyser Soze. Our home has been invaded. Our family despoiled. And we are facing a never ending series of ever increasing demands from the criminals who have abused us.

Sometimes the only way out of a dilemma is by clearing the table and starting again from scratch.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

There’s only one reason getting immigration off the table is so important.

Collusion, corruption and treason have brought in enough illegal aliens who’s children have wrongly been assumed to be citizens that the vote is skewed towards the party of maximum pander.

Speakup on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Newt Gingrich, however, sees the same problem that I do, which is that the issue is an albatross around the neck of the GOP as it tries to reach out to non-white voters.

Newsflash: right after the election is not the time to pander for votes. Do it right: Pander right before the election. Voters have short memories.

alwaysfiredup on November 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Yes, we know, Gingrich has been calling for capitulation with dems for years on illegal immigration.

Pork-Chop on November 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Newt’s idea for this is a million times worse than his loony idea of space stations on the moon.

PatriotGal2257 on November 13, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Even though I am very conservative, this is why I refused to support Newt for president … plus the fact that he’s a moral slimeball.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

So, Ed joins the many RINO advocates in panic saying we need to admit millions of new voters to the rolls. Why will this time be different than when Reagan granted amnesty and lost even more of the Hispanic vote?

When they subsequently vote overwhelmingly Democrat election after election the RINOs will need to find another Trojan Horse to further marginalize the party. Insanity is repeating the same action time and again while expecting a different result.

philw1776 on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

I had several friends who did not vote this cycle because they claim that the R’s and D’s are not different sides of the came coin but the same side, statism. In it for the power, money, and position.
Voting for the R instead of the D was simply lying to yourself that your vote would make a difference in the outcome.

Looking at the behavior of those in the R party since last Tuesday, I have to agree with their opinion and what will happen next.

Nathan_OH on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Univision is the main Spanish Network, and it reports the news like MSNBC would. As long as they’re around, the GOP will be the racist, homophobic, anti-Latino, anti-family party.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

The immigration issue does need to be resolved. But how do we do it without adding another 11 million democrats to the voting tallies in 2016?

Jack_Burton on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

There’s only one reason getting immigration off the table is so important.

Collusion, corruption and treason have brought in enough illegal aliens who’s children have wrongly been assumed to be citizens that the vote is skewed towards the party of maximum pander.

Speakup on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM

The swift pivot to amnesty after the mitt fail makes it all look like an intentional setup.

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM

This lust for the Republican Party to go amnesty, aka immigration reform is just a stall of the fight.

Do it now while we have the numbers and the honor left.

Cutting and running from the fight is a cowards choice end of story.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Ed was, is and will always be an Establishment Republican (aka RINO). Captain’s Quarters was definitely a moderate Republican blog.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

that was our number two guy

we suck

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

No You don’t! No matter how many times you repeat the same stupid idea, it will still be a stupid idea! NO AMNESTY TIL THE BORDER IS SECURED! FU rinos/libs! If you want millions of people in the streets then try it! It will be the last time a rino gets anywhere near public office. BTW, you can say the same stupid statement til you’re blue in the face and it will still be a stupid statement rejected by rational Americans!
Fight the Obama Enemy media or Kiss the Constitution Goodbye: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Re “no amnesty until the border is secured”, -border security has to be an ongoing commitment, whereas amnesty is a one-time decision that can’t be undone. No matter what democratics agree to on the border, a week later they can walk it back. I’d rather deal with the palestinians in Gaza than the democratics wrt their lack of honesty.

A one-time decision like amnesty cannot be traded for something that requires a dedicated ongoing commitment. It’s like trading your car to the lawn-maintenance company in exchange for mowing your lawn for the next ten years.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Ed, I understand where you are coming from, but what do you have to say to the historical fact that we received no bounce with Hispanics after immigration in the 1980s

blatantblue on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I had several friends who did not vote this cycle because they claim that the R’s and D’s are not different sides of the came coin but the same side, statism. In it for the power, money, and position.
Voting for the R instead of the D was simply lying to yourself that your vote would make a difference in the outcome.

Looking at the behavior of those in the R party since last Tuesday, I have to agree with their opinion and what will happen next.

Nathan_OH on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

+1,000,000

PatriotGal2257 on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 PM

well said KJ…

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

“You can’t say to someone, ‘I’d really like to get your vote over jobs,’” Gingrich tells the Morning Joe panel, “‘and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’ It doesn’t work.”

The GOP isn’t going their votes anyway, the mass majority anyway. Didn’t help 43 at all after Reagan did amnesty back in 1986, and hasn’t helped the R candidate since.

The republic is hanging by a thread now. You do amnesty, it dies at the bottom of the cliff.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Looking at the behavior of those in the R party since last Tuesday, I have to agree with their opinion and what will happen next.

Nathan_OH on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Yup, if there’s two parties, why change one so they become identical?

the_nile on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM

But Newt was supposed to be one of the TruCons????? He had the same point of view during the primary when it was Romney taking the no amnesty position but Romney was a RINO and Newt was the true conservative… well on some conservative web sites anyway.

rhombus on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Release the Hispandering!

Joe Mama on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Ed probably wakes up and says, “what would Santorum do?”

Slade73 on November 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM

They think we the people have given up already.

They now go in for the kill.

Two Party Evil Money Cult in “Our” Washington D.C..

Evict them, they have cheated U.S. on the rent.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM

My wife is Hispanic. She cannot STAND Obama. Her siblings (all 7 of them) are split on their support. Hispanics are not monolithic and don’t react to “immigration” in the way so many believe. I’ve heard more concern among Hispanics (first or second generation Americans, at least) with illegals than most of us “white folk”. I don’t think this is a winning issue. I do think something must be done and it does need to be “comprehensive”, but it will not bring in more Hispanic (or other immigrant) votes. Why? Because many of those immigrants came from societies where government truly rules the people. When the come here they are looking for a more benevolent ruler, but a ruler nonetheless. They gravitate to the Democrats because the Democrats are the party of Government and portray themselves as oh-so-benevolent. They idea of self-governance and individual sovereignty is truly foreign to them. They don’t understand it. Many non-immigrant Americans don’t understand it because our education system over the last 80-100 years has taught us that the state=the government=the people. Many, maybe most, want to “get theirs” from the state pie. When they vote for Democrats, they think they’re voting for themselves, but it’s actually the opposite.

So while immigration reform needs to be done, it won’t do a thing for Republican electoral chances. Having said that, if nothing is done or if Republicans dig their heels in, it WILL have a negative impact electorally. In other words, there is no upside to doing it electorally, but there is a huge downside to not doing it.

Getting the Hispanic vote turned around will take a long time. The wool is firmly over their eyes and the Democrats are doing all they can to keep it there. There is hope as is evidenced by my wife and other Hispanics I know well.

BillyWilly on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Newt’s idea for this is a million times worse than his loony idea of space stations on the moon.

PatriotGal2257 on November 13, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Oh yes, those community panels who would decide who could stay and who couldn’t. A recipe for widespread corruption everywhere.

JPeterman on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Concerning the 14th Amendment and natural born citizenship clause… The very author of the citizenship clause expressly said:

“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.”

- Senator Jacob Howard, (R-MI), The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

His colleague from Pennsylvania confirmed the understanding that merely being born on American soil did NOT make one an American citizen when he stated on the floor of the United States Senate:

“The honourable Senator from Michigan has given this subject, I have no doubt, a good deal of his attention, and I am really desirous to have a legal definition of “citizenship of the United States.” What does it mean? What is its length and breadth? I would be glad if the honourable Senator in good earnest would favour us with some such definition. Is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen? Is the child of a Gypsy born in Pennsylvania a citizen? If so, what rights have they? Have they any more rights than a sojourner in the United States? If a traveler comes here from Ethiopia, from Australia, or from Great Britain, he is entitled, to a certain extent, to the protection of the laws. You cannot murder him with impunity. It is murder to kill him, the same as it is to kill another man. You cannot commit an assault and battery on him, I apprehend. He has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptation of the word. It is perfectly clear that the mere fact that a man is born in the country has not heretofore entitled him to the right to exercise political power.

- Senator Edward Cowan, (R-PA), The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

In Elk v Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment did not even confer citizenship on Indians — because they were subject to tribal jurisdiction, not American jurisdiction. For a century, that was how the 14th Amendment was read, interpreted and understood. During that time, only one case adding the caveat that children born to LEGAL permanent residents of the US, gainfully employed, and who were not employed by a foreign government would also be deemed citizens under the 14th Amendment. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In Wong, the Court held: “A child born in the United States, of parent[s] of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil[e] and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States.”

It wasn’t until 1982, that children of illegals or legal immigrants were subject to the jurisdiction of another country even began to be considered Americans by birth. In Phyler v Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), a case where the Court held that there is no right to public education, but if a state offers it, it must be made available to all children whether citizen or alien, legal or illegal. In a footnote to his 5-4 opinion, Justice Brennan asserted that:

“…no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.” (Other than the part about one being lawful and the other not.)

The law in the United States had never recognised children born here to illegal aliens as American citizens prior to Justice Brennan’s insertion of a FOOTNOTE in a 1982 opinion.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM

cmsinaz on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Thank you, ma’am.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Americans should start illegally immigrating to Mexico…

equanimous on November 13, 2012 at 12:33 PM

You do and you’ll end up in a Mexican prison, which isn’t fun.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Are the “Conservative Media” getting their talking points and orders from one source? Because it seems like today is the day the GOP decided to drop this 100,000 test balloon.

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM

“You can’t say to someone, ‘I’d really like to get your vote over jobs, and by the way, we’re kicking your grandmother out.’”

Even if we a offer an ‘Obamaphone’??

ChuckTX on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Conservatives should learn what Newt’s first two wives have – the man cannot be trusted.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM

The GOP just has to stop being the ahole party. Stop talking about illegal alien criminals, drunkards, deportation, and welfare.

Just stick to law and order, and if you must, grant work permits to truly bright individuals who majored in math or science. Give citizenship to doctors and military men… deport lawyers, eff them.

El_Terrible on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

portlandon on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I guess they want all of us Conservatives to “evolve”, my brother.
Ain’t doin’ it.

kingsjester on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Having this discussion is pandering! We should look at what we did well and build on it; the youth vote (future voters) declined for Obama and the Dem’s by 10%. In ’08 Obama got 70%, this election he got 60%.

The young/future voters are beginning to realize the Obama debt is going to eat them alive.

Tater Salad on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Here in Manhattan, the Marmara Manhattan hotel has planted its flag, staked its claim in a whole new area of amenities and concierge services: Birth Tourism!

For the very low price of $5,100, plus taxes,(and medical fees of around $20,000), the hotel will provide an exclusive package deal that includes “a one-bedroom suite accommodation for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the new mother…that wishes to give birth in the USA, with the additional bonus of the newborn child gaining American citizenship.”

Now, why didn’t I think of that? Instead of waiting in line and spending a tonne of money, I could have just gotten pregnant and chequed into the Marmara Manhattan. We know that the Federal government is loathe to deport the illegal mums of American-born tots!

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM

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