Quotes of the day

posted at 11:02 pm on November 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

We were wrong.

We were wrong about the turnout.

We were wrong about the makeup of the electorate.

We were wrong about the advertising mix and message that would work.

We were wrong about the effectiveness of President Obama’s turnout mechanism.

The simple fact is Republicans spent more and achieved less than Democrats in 2012…

Some Republican analysts and strategists are rushing around with new explanations of what happened and what we must do.

The fact is less than an a week after the election they don’t know what happened and they can’t possibly know what we should do.

***

The Republican Party — which, by the way lost women to President Obama by 12 points — needs to run away from its archaic stance. Yes, object to abortion. Yes, work to make it rare. But move on: Abortion is here to stay. (And while you’re at it, GOP, it might just be time also to abandon that vaunted “abstinence-only” policy that has been such a dismal failure.)

Second, gay marriage. On this, simply — who cares? America 2012 has enormous problems. Is this really an issue that matters to — anyone? Christians, two men getting married doesn’t affect your marriage in any way. Get over it. The Republicans are on the wrong side of history on this issue, and Mr. Obama swept in millions of young voters by his tolerance. It’s time to walk away.

On both issues, the GOP can make a clean break: As the party of individual freedom, the GOP can simply say it now sees that Americans — especially women — do have the right to choose their own path. In fact, the party espouses the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution, always has, so the turnabout won’t even raise an eyebrow.

***

My age group is one pocket of voters who Republicans should be carrying with ease. Youth is all about rebellion and freedom and independence—things the Democratic Party preaches but doesn’t deliver. Behind their clever one-liners lurks a government shackle waiting to be slapped onto the wrists of every young voter they ensnare…

Shame on Republicans for not seizing the opportunity this time around. They could so easily define their brand as the true advocate of rebellion; a “stick it to the government” movement in the spirit of the 1960s hippie wave.

It wouldn’t be a smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch trick either, like what goes on across the aisle. Republicans truly are the party of a less intrusive ruling class. Frame the Republican fundamentals—tax less, spend less—as a fresh populist approach instead of Grandpa’s adage, and the party is back in business.

***

Every time I suggest better, smarter GOP outreach to young people, Hispanics, African Americans, and women, many in the GOP old guard wave their pointer fingers at me and insist that I am advocating pandering, that I am allying myself with the Left’s divide and conquer tactics.

Let me correct them in writing, as I have done in speech: Outreach is not pandering. They are completely different things. I am not talking about dividing the country up into special interest groups, pandering to voting blocs with speeches telling them what they want to hear in order to win votes. What I am talking about is taking the conservative message, a message that stands to benefit everyone in society, to places the GOP often ignores–local African-American and Hispanic church groups, feminist centers, and left-leaning college campuses, to name a few.

Will your message face resistance? Yes, and that’s okay. It gives you a chance to correct false, media-driven stereotypes about conservatives and conservatism. Will you convert the majority in one afternoon? Of course not; these stereotypes have been inculcated over decades. Opening hearts and minds is a process, not a lunch appointment. That doesn’t mean you don’t get to work. Andrew Breitbart understood that better than anyone.

***

The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism. These people hated our ideas and values when we were winning and now choose this opportunity to sell us out the way they’ve always wanted. The conservative herd is headed off a cliff led by a consultant class that would otherwise now be swimming in pools full of dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck.

These people would have us believe that we must make fundamental changes to draw in new voters. We must exile social conservatives to bring in young people and single women. We must exile fiscal conservatives to bring in hispanic and black voters. With whatever is left from having exiled both, these geniuses would have us believe the Democrats in whose camp these groups already find themselves will just sit back and let it happen.

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.

***

[T]hough I have my anxieties about the president’s next term, I also have a hunch the GOP dodged a bullet with Mr. Romney’s loss.

It dodged a bullet because a Romney victory would have obscured deeper trends in American politics the GOP must take into account. A Romney administration would also have been politically cautious and ideologically defensive in a way that rarely serves the party well.

Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

So get a grip, Republicans: Our republican experiment in self-government didn’t die last week. But a useful message has been sent to a party that spent too much of the past four years listening intently to echoes of itself. Change the channel for a little while.

***

“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” [Sen.-elect Ted Cruz] said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse.

“In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ”

***

At the same time, a Republican Party that moves too far leftward on immigration risks alienating its white working-class supporters, an easily disillusioned constituency whose support the party cannot take for granted. These voters already suspect that Republican elites don’t have their interests at heart: Mitt Romney lost last week because he underperformed among minority voters, but also because a large number of working-class whites apparently stayed home. If the party’s only post-2012 adjustment is to embrace amnesty, they aren’t likely to turn out in 2016 either.

What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts.

As the American Enterprise Institute’s Henry Olsen writes, it should be possible for Republicans to oppose an overweening and intrusive state while still recognizing that “government can give average people a hand up to achieve the American Dream.” It should be possible for the party to reform and streamline government while also addressing middle-class anxieties about wages, health care, education and more.

***

The common theme here is that the current Republican economic message isn’t very compelling to any of these groups. If Republicans addressed that problem, they would find their numbers improving in all of these groups, and outside them too. White, working-class voters, who supported Romney for president but seem to have had low turnout, might have shown up in greater numbers if Republicans had retooled on economics.

Men and women, whites and Hispanics, the young and the middle-aged: All of them want politicians to offer a practical agenda to create jobs, raise wages, and make health care and higher education more affordable. Most of them aren’t wedded to liberal answers on those issues. They will take them over nothing, and that’s what Republicans have been giving them.

Republicans are unlikely to return to majority status, or even keep their current strength, unless they do better. Looking at voters in categories of race, sex and age won’t help them do that.

***


Why isn’t soul searching underway on the left
? When the personality at the center of the cult leaves the stage in four years, Democrats will own his results without the benefit of his appeal. We can’t know quite what a second Obama term will bring, but if his first term is an indication, there’s little reason to expect his party will be crowing. The fiscal cliff is here but a whole landscape of steep drops comes next: the economic cliff (over which lies a possible double-dip recession), the Obamacare cliff (over which lies an unprecedented bureaucratic behemoth), the Iran cliff (over which lies a nuclear bomb), and so on. A precipice in every direction and a president who’s given us no reason to presume he can steer clear. Have Democrats stopped to wonder what initiatives they’ll have to defend when the dust settles in 2016?…

It is in the nature of personality cults to fail at most things beyond generating and disseminating propaganda. This inability is the result of two things. First, the personality’s popularity is not results-driven. Since adoration hasn’t been earned by achievement but by the advent of charisma, why kill yourself trying to get results. Second, few people are willing to candidly critique the personality at the center of the cult, so there is little chance of course correction. None of this bodes well for Barack Obama. And for the country’s sake, let’s hope it’s wrong.

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HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

The talking point king. Congrats!!!

Never an original thought.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

fυcking

This is allowed now?????????????????????????????

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

As long as HAL is allowed..
Flucking is allowed..
:)

[I guess it wasn't..I had to change the word]

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

As the Table 1.2 shows, based on its most recent IRS data for 2009, the average tax rate (after deductions) paid by all Americans is 11 percent. It is also clear that millionaires pay an average of 25 percent, while virtually every taxpayer earning under $100,000 pays an average rate of no more than 8 percent of their income in taxes.

There are roughly 123 million taxpayers who earn under $100,000, or about 88 percent of the 140 million Americans who filed a tax return in 2009. In other words, 88 percent of all taxpayers pay 8 percent or less of their income in income taxes.

The average effective tax rate of American taxpayers is 11% on adjusted gross income, according to an analysis by the non-partisan Tax Foundation. Millionaires pay about about 25%, the foundation says.

The average is bumped up by the effective rate paid by those evil millionaires.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Common sense disagrees with you.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

LOL. You appealing to “common sense” is like Barky appealing to “math” – and we all know that the Indonesian Imbecile didn’t crack 420 on the math section of his SATs. You guys are a laugh riot. I just wish someone would put you back in the sandbox where you can’t do any damage, except to yourselves.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I guess I am pretty damn smart then!!!! lmao

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I have several theories after..oh..5 yrs here?
That is the M.O.
Take a dump and jet.
Riles the thread up.

Until recently, with all the serious news..
HA way down on comment count.
Throw in a Palin thread, atheist,abortion,RP..
always a winner.
There are reasons..but I won’t go there with my 2 cents. Maybe one day in another town or hall.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

How did mine get thru?

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

I agree.

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

An insufferable ass is an insufferable ass, of course, of course
And no one can talk sense to an insufferable ass, of course
And especially, of course, if the insufferable ass is the famous Barack Obama
Go right to the source and ask the insufferable ass
He’ll give you the answer that deceivers will endorse
He’s always on a dissemblers course
Talk to Barack Obama
Barack Obama just yakkity yaks a streak and wastes your time of day
Does any sane person even believe anymore a single thing he has to say?

An insufferable ass is an insufferable ass, of course, of course
And this one’ll talk in prevaricating circles til his voice is hoarse
You never heard of a talking insufferable ass?
Well, listen to this
He is Barack Obama!

Cheshire Cat on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.
- Mark Twain

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM

“It’s great “customer service,” except that you can never get out of the store.” – Mary Steyn

Even Allahpundit doesn’t come up with lines like that.

Cleombrotus on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Interesting. So the billionaires who pay a 15% or sometimes lower effective tax rate; while you probably pay something close to 30% don’t bother you? Typically right winger.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:59 PM

See the IRS data and learn something instead of regurgitating TIRED, OLD TALKING POINTS.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

When are we going to start talking about a Persecution Fund for those victimized by the IRS? These people and these groups should be reimbursed for the lawyers’ and accountants’ fees attributable to the excessive inquiry.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

We go back in Political Time:

Could it be,that once Hopey got into POWER as POTUSA,
he planned Getting Evenism/Withism,er,REVENGE!!!!???
—————————————————–

IRS Investigates Church for Letting Obama Speak
February 26, 2008; 7:09 PM ET
******************************

The Internal Revenue Service has notified the United Church of Christ that the IRS has opened an investigation

into Senator Barack Obama’s address at the UCC’s 2007 General Synod.

The IRS is accusing the UCC of engaging in “political activities.”

I believe the “political activities” are on the other foot.

The UCC General Synod was in June of 2007, celebrating that denomination’s 50th Anniversary. It is only now fully nine months later,

when Senator Obama has become the front-runner in the race for President,

that this investigation is launched.

Further, the IRS did not contact the UCC or communicate with them while coming to this decision.

I was present when Senator Obama gave this speech at General Synod (along with 10,000 of my closest church friends and neighbors).

There were no campaign buttons, signs, electioneering or other such politically related activities.

Indeed, the UCC leadership took care to instruct the assembled about the fact that this was a faith event and we were welcoming a member of our church to talk to us about his personal faith in the public square.

It was an extraordinary speech. Pundits and competing candidates have criticized Senator Obama for being more about words than deeds.

This is, of course, just political noise,

but it is true that some words are more effective than others. This speech was an insightful, even luminous glimpse into the fundamental human dilemma of the search for meaning and purpose in life.

We may have to go back to Lincoln to find such a weaving of transcendent themes of meaning and purpose in the search for how we want to live as Americans. What is truly innovative in this speech by Obama and what makes it such an incredible model for how we engage the public square with our faith without

violating the separation of church and state,

is that he never collapses his faith in Jesus Christ into a narrow path to salvation; instead, he reaches out from the power of his faith in God to the universal human striving for meaning in a world where poverty and injustice threaten to drive us down and out into despair and nothingness. People want “a narrative arc to their lives” Obama said.

The narrative structure of the speech was to take the audience with him as he went from his conversion to a personal faith in Jesus Christ to the broad theme of meaning and purpose in human life.

He started talking about his work as a community organizer and his work with older church folk who confronted him about being more an observer of faith, than a believer. He decided he’d better find a community of faith.

So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago.

If anyone could think that’s engaging in “political activities”

than I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

Obama went on to say what I think is the truly innovative part of how he relates his faith to public service, not only in his own life, but also in the larger American journey.

But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

The temptation to empire is the temptation to persecute freedom, especially religious freedom, rather than respect and honor it. It is now another UCC church, the national United Church of Christ, that is standing up for individual freedom, especially the right to religious expression free of government persecution.

Read the full text of the speech and all the relevant documents by going to the UCC website and judge for yourself.

The “narrative arc” of this speech tracks the “narrative arc” of how we as Americans respect our Constitution and also passionately engage in public service as a higher calling.

There is true irony in the IRS investigating the UCC for the presentation of a speech

that may go down in history as one of the most profound articulations of how we as Americans live into transcendent meaning and purpose through our free, democratic institutions.

Truly that is ironic.

And sad.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2008/02/irs_investigates_church_for_le.html

canopfor on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Scrumpy the u is a greek u.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Common sense disagrees with you.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

You may be common, but heaven knows, you have no sense.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

viking01 on May 18, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Yep, that’s my style.
I couldn’t have a sock if I wanted one. :)

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Yah. Just curious. :) Another mystery down. Back to my search for the noble wood ape.

I dunno b9, it’s a bit like Canada. Hm.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

How did mine get thru?

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

How did my re-posting of your post get through but the F word in my post caused it to go into moderation..?

Hmmmm

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

HAL you tard I will try again.

Copied from my previous post:

HAL:

Yes trying THINKING

In fact, one overview from Forbes.com pegged the overall effective tax rates of the Big Three oil and gas firms at 41.5% to 48.3%, depending on the company.
These rates were the highest among the 25 top taxpaying companies (in terms of dollar amounts) that Forbes surveyed.

Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http:/

So yes they do.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Anyone else hear crickets?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

When are we going to start talking about a Persecution Fund for those victimized by the IRS? These people and these groups should be reimbursed for the lawyers’ and accountants’ fees attributable to the excessive inquiry.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Pigford II!

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

That said, STOP defending these “job creators” from paying their fair share of taxes.
HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

What is ” fair share” ? Give a %age that’ll make you happy .

All in the name of “the more money they get to keep, the more jobs they will create”. Common sense disagrees with you.

So tax cuts don’t benefit job creation?
The explain this , this from your fool in CA supported by union thugs :

The two-year, $200 million extension to the movie and television tax credit program has been signed into law by California Gov. Jerry Brown. It ensures that there will be a program to stem runaway production at least through July 1, 2017.
…….“By creating tens of thousands of jobs and pumping billions into our economy, the film and television tax credit program has truly been a statewide economic stimulus package,” said Fuentes. “Extending this incentive program will prevent production companies from moving their projects, jobs and spending out of California.”

Did they tell you the meaning of ” common sense”?

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Scrumpy the u is a greek u.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Scrumpy..
Are you holding out?

:)

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Your whole ‘I love America and civil liberties and only demand ‘fairness and a level playing field’ schtick is a bunch of crap.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Not even the Democrats — the Inner Party Democrats, not the riffraff like HAL — believe in that crap. What’s laughable is HAL’s misguided belief that his party in Washington still cares about the “little guy”.

The only “guy” the Democrats care about is the plutocrat who pays for underclass busing come election time and the transgendered “guy” looking for federal $$$ for a sex-change operation. :-)

Punchenko on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

What part of FAIR SHARE don’t you understand?

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM

What part of my share is your “FAIR SHARE”?

Just curious…

ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I paid almost 45% last year, wrote one hell of a check to both the state and federal tax man, and I’m not exactly a billionaire. I’d like to know just how much more “fair” this is going to get because too much further and I might just decide to drop out.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

I think I could get up to that % if I include federal, state, and local taxes, plus both my and my employers contributions to SS, Medicare and Medicaid, and then removed my contribution to my family health plan from my income. However, the federal income tax portion is less than Romney’s rate.

Count to 10 on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

They can never define “common sense” or “fair share” because their definition shifts with their goals.

Sooner or later the liberal trash will get around to stuffing people into gas chambers and chalking it up as a “common sense” solution to the problem of resource depletion.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Cheshire Cat on May 18, 2013 at 10:14 PM

So cool!!

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

When are we going to start talking about a Persecution Fund for those victimized by the IRS? These people and these groups should be reimbursed for the lawyers’ and accountants’ fees attributable to the excessive inquiry.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Pigford II!

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

YES! We want our money. :-D

Punchenko on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

What part of my share is your “FAIR SHARE”?

Just curious…

ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Do you have a savings?

Then you have too much..

HAL.

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

I paid almost 45% last year, wrote one hell of a check to both the state and federal tax man, and I’m not exactly a billionaire. I’d like to know just how much more “fair” this is going to get because too much further and I might just decide to drop out.
Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Well you need to sing this song to your fellow right wingers. They are the ones advocating “job creators” should pay relatively no taxes while you foot the bill.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

hehe. (: That Confucius was very smart.

SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Yep, he and Sun Tzu are the only China men worth listening to.

TXUS on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Sophie, are you gonna beat the crap out of HAL tonight? I like to know in advance.

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM

If I beat the crap out of HAL, there would be nothing left of him. Crap is all that he is.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I guess I am pretty damn smart then!!!! lmao

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:12 PM

I think CW meant that the filter will let it through, but we still aren’t going to use it. :)

Up to you though. Free country.

Sort of.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Drudge has a link to the IRS seizing medical records. Obamacare would be their only reason for doing so, so I wonder where this order came from? HAs anyone heard of this before?

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Scrumpy the u is a greek u.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Aha I copied yours lol… cuz otherwise it looks normal!!

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:20 PM

If I beat the crap out of HAL, there would be nothing left of him. Crap is all that he is.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I’d be willing to risk that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I’ll stick to NOT using it, it’s not lady like and I am a Lady!!!

Sometimes ;)

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I paid almost 45% last year, wrote one hell of a check to both the state and federal tax man, and I’m not exactly a billionaire. I’d like to know just how much more “fair” this is going to get because too much further and I might just decide to drop out.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Folks like us threaten that but won’t do it because it is ingrained into our souls to get up and go to work everyday and work hard to get a good salary. The gubmint sucking loser, lowlifes like HAL have figured that part out. I will give them 1 minute of round number 5 in a 12 round 119 – 97 title fight.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Pigford II!

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Legitimate claims only. Kind of like a tea party rally, leaving the locale no worse off for having had the event held there.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

What part of my share is your “FAIR SHARE”?
Just curious…
ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I dunno b9, it’s a bit like Canada. Hm.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

I say “eh” too..go figure. :)
I have a personal..sorta reason for my
formatting.

~
You comment odd too! btw…

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I’d be willing to risk that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 10:20 PM

OK, but I’m going to need a body condom. :-)

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

If I was any better I’d be Sparky!

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

– that’s . . . trans-dimensional, frood. A man who really knows where his towel is. :)

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Good bye progressive agenda.

Good bye to benevolent government, fueled by higher taxes.

You didn’t build it? You didn’t even want it.

You wanted to shut up everyone who didn’t believe as you did, because that’s the only way you could get a majority and win.

You had to shut up enough people.

So now your agenda is blown by your Nazi-like practices in practicing your benevolent government.

Enjoy it while it lasted.

itsspideyman on May 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

B back later..

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Do you have a savings?

Then you have too much..

HAL.

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Exactly!

ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

I’ll stick to NOT using it, it’s not lady like and I am a Lady!!!

Sometimes ;)

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Meh. I was wrong anyway. That’s not what CW meant.

Shit!

lol — K, enough of that.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

KCB on May 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Thanks!…always liked that song, have it on my ipod, my mother hated it. Wonder why? Maybe that catholic girl stuff…definitely.

BeachBum on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

If I beat the crap out of HAL, there would be nothing left of him. Crap is all that he is.
Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I dont fight or hit women.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

They are the ones advocating “job creators” should pay relatively no taxes while you foot the bill.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

The strawman king.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Why in the heck are y’all wasting good tunage playin’ time gettin’ in the sewer with that dirty douche bag drinkin’ lyin’ idiot HAL?

It’s Saturday night, better folks are here to flirt with and we’re mostly vertical.

Spring finally reached east Texas. Ninety degrees and humid as all get out. I worked out doors any way. Very productive and now its time to drink.

Burritos make great pets…They don’t bark.

SparkPlug on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM

You’ve been gettin’ the wrong burritos.

TX has the men…oh and Coz.

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 9:54 PM

That’s right, I’m differn’t.

Schlitz.”

TXUS on May 18, 2013 at 9:55 PM

I miss Schlitz. The real Schlitz, not that swill they were sellin’ before they finally gave up.

I also miss drinkin’ it with my German grandfather and uncles.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I dont fight or hit women.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

No shit. We can beat the hell out of you, pansy boy.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

HAL you tard I will try again.

Copied from my previous post:

HAL:

Yes trying THINKING

In fact, one overview from Forbes.com pegged the overall effective tax rates of the Big Three oil and gas firms at 41.5% to 48.3%, depending on the company.
These rates were the highest among the 25 top taxpaying companies (in terms of dollar amounts) that Forbes surveyed.

Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http:/

So yes they do.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Anyone else hear crickets?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:16 PM

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

OK, but I’m going to need a body condom. :-)

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

*pulls body condom from bulk-pack, hands to resist*

*offers harness*

*puts harness back*

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

What part of my share is your “FAIR SHARE”?
Just curious…
ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:17 PM
Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Folks, we are now into “Graduated Harvard Law” territory with this one. I can’t stomach anymore of it. Gotta leave.

VegasRick on May 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I dont fight or hit women.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

So you remember the lesson little Sally taught you in the second grade.

VorDaj on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

You aren’t paying 30% of your income to federal income taxes. If you added up all of the thing that you are including in your 30% total, you would still find that the billionaires are paying a larger fraction than you, and a raw number that you could probably fit your lifetime earnings into with room to spare.

Count to 10 on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Up to you though. Free country.

Sort of.

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

[Scrumpy] I would like to apply for a 501 d?

[IRS] What words do you use on conservative blogs?

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

In COZMO’s Honor

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Drudge has a link to the IRS seizing medical records. Obamacare would be their only reason for doing so, so I wonder where this order came from? HAs anyone heard of this before?

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Fish around. I saw this about four or so days ago. It happened in San Diego or around there. Some insurance company (I think) was under an audit, and the IRS took over its audiences around the time of the NCAA tourney. As the IRS was confiscating (unnecessarily) the records of millions of insureds, some of the agents were ordering pizzas to the business and watching NCAA tourney games on media devices owned by the business. I think the business has recently sued the IRS in federal court.

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I have a personal..sorta reason for my
formatting.

~
You comment odd too! btw…

bazil9 on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

1. Hmm. :) 2. I do not!

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Ladies and gentlemen ,
we’ve found Warren Buffet’s ( the tax cheat’s) secretary……woooohooo..

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Three oil and gas firms at 41.5% to 48.3%, depending on the company

HAL is 41.5 > 30.0 ?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

In COZMO’s Honor

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

lol

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I miss Schlitz. The real Schlitz, not that swill they were sellin’ before they finally gave up.

I also miss drinkin’ it with my German grandfather and uncles.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Schlitz got nothing on Blatz. Or Griesedieck for that matter.

I used to drink Black Label (Not Carling) beer. The box said it was imported from Canada. Made in Detroit. My cats Chicken Pot Pie and Wompus loved the boxes.

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Well you need to sing this song to your fellow right wingers. They are the ones advocating “job creators” should pay relatively no taxes while you foot the bill.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

I had a nice day on the boat so I’ll forgive your ignorance this one time.

I AM a job creator, perfesser, but I’ve been less of a job creator the last four years because you and your fellow leftist trash thought it would be a great idea to install the political equivalent of a mail room clerk as CEO of the world’s preeminent company.

The money your Dog Eating Retard and his criminal minions sucked out of me has meant that I haven’t expanded, hired, or upgraded. Yet I drive by the state welfare office in Minneapolis at the start of each month and see car after car with Illinois plates, your fellow travelers comin’ on up from Chicago to get them some fine Minnesota welfare.

So spare me the clownish antics, you have no idea how close people like me are to simply selling off and retiring which I could do tomorrow if I chose to. Because if we do in any appreciable numbers your world is going to go to hell very quickly.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

WE ALL SHOULD!!!!

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Wow…fireworks out of Virginia. The “Tea Party is Dead” hypothesis rejected once again. Anyone have any thoughts on E.W. Jackson?

Robert_Paulson on May 18, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Thanks. I won’t ask what you are doing with a stash of body condoms. lol

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

HAL is 41.5 > 30.0 ?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM

HAL must be Warren Buffet’s secretary..

MSM

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

BUCKEYE SAM:

The Internal Revenue Service stole and improperly accessed 60 million medical records after raiding a California company, according to a legal complaint filed in March with the California superior court for San Diego. Fifteen IRS agents are now facing a class-action lawsuit in the matter.

“In a case involving solely a tax matter involving a former employee of the company, these agents stole more than 60,000,000 medical records of more than 10,000,000 Americans” the complaint, filed by attorney Robert Barnes, alleges. “No search warrant authorized the seizure of these records; no subpoena authorized the seizure of these records; none of the 10,000,000 Americans were under any kind of known criminal or civil investigation and their medical records had no relevance whatsoever to the IRS search.”

The complaint goes on to describe how IRS agents ignored the warnings of IT personnel and executives at the company in question, the John Doe Company, and accuses the IRS of violating the plantiff’s Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

Following the seizure of records, IRS agents also used the company’s system for leisure activities, according to the compaint. “Adding insult to injury, after unlawfully seizing the records and searching their intimate parts, defendants decided to use John Doe Company’s media system to watch basketball, ordering pizza and Coca-Cola, to take in part of the NCAA tournament, illustrating their complete disregard of the court’s order and the Plaintiffs’ Fourth Amendment rights” it states.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/348382/irs-agents-stole-60-million-medical-records-legal-complaint-alleges

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

HAL is especially good at fractions..

Electrongod on May 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

No he ain’t. HAL ain’t even good at lying.

In COZMO’s Honor

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

To hot for socks.

cozmo on May 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Hey, douchebag. “Billionaire” is a reference to WEALTH. You are talking abotu INCOME TAXES, not wealth taxes (not that you would really understand the difference).

Further, where did you get the idea that a flat percentage rate is the definition of “fair”? That’s a retarded concept. People understand, intuitively, that as absolute numbers go higher, the seeming “fairness” of percentage goes lower. That’s why percentage charges generally are reduced for larger transactions – everywhere but in government, of course, where idiot America-haters like you have made it exactly the opposite (though now you are trying to act like Steve Forbes and proposing a flat tax – LOL).

People observe this simple phenomenon with percentages all the time – such as small companies that have growth rates that large companies could never come close to. Because percentages with respect to small raw numbers are different than for large ones. Fairness, to anyone with a brain, would involve a lowering percentage as income increases, but this still stands separate from the issue with people who are “billionaires” and don’t get an income but make money through investing their money and taking the risk of losing their investments – which is something that you don’t do and, obviously, wouldn’t understand.

Now, could you please show a smidgeon of decency and go away? Leave. Vamoose. Disappear.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Because if we do in any appreciable numbers your world is going to go to hell very quickly.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Don’t give him what he wants!

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

BuckeyeSam on May 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Even if you are audited, I don’t think the IRS gets to violate HIPAA or sift through medical records.

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

HAL do you know how to answer even the simplest of questions?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Considering social welfare benefits exceeded 2/3rds of the budget last year you have it backwards on what is minor and what is major.

chemman on May 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Even if you are audited, I don’t think the IRS gets to violate HIPAA or sift through medical records.

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Yeah, OK

tom daschle concerned on May 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

What a freaking stupid reply.

Even your hero Warren Buffett’s not paying that.

ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM

So spare me the clownish antics, you have no idea how close people like me are to simply selling off and retiring which I could do tomorrow if I chose to. Because if we do in any appreciable numbers your world is going to go to hell very quickly.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

That comment may well be the most deadly serious thing I’ve ever seen you write, Bishop.

Count to 10 on May 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Well if you are a billionaire, paying the same 30% im paying is fair

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 10:21 PM

If a billionaire lives solely off of his assets, he doesn’t pay a dime.

I’ll let you figure out why.

Hint: Income tax

BTW: A federal wealth tax is unconstitutional.

The Unconstitutionality of a Wealth Tax

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Why is this medical records incident NOT bigger news, especially with the IRS enforcing the purchase of insurance policies/fines? Nobody was told that they’d be delving into personal info, but with the targeting scandal, it all makes sense. As this was a clear violation, were the people informed of the security breaches? Under law they must be….but who really thinks SIbelius will go against Obama’s pet enforcement pig?

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Furthermore you fascist monkey, the manner in which you just dismiss a very powerful arm of the federal government targeting American citizens simply because of their perceived political stance is pretty damn pathetic.

I don’t care what political stripe you wear, every American should be furious and demanding scalps from the people who made and allowed it to happen. The fact that you don’t, that you actually take delight in your fellow citizens being attacked by their own government, makes you a Nazi; you know it and I know it.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

So spare me the clownish antics, you have no idea how close people like me are to simply selling off and retiring which I could do tomorrow if I chose to.
Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I’m in the process of the same , 90% there

burrata on May 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this angry.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Obama is a child, with the leadership abilities of a child, and now he’s the leader of the free world.

Paul-Cincy on May 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I don’t care what political stripe you wear, every American should be furious and demanding scalps from the people who made and allowed it to happen. The fact that you don’t, that you actually take delight in your fellow citizens being attacked by their own government, makes you a Nazi; you know it and I know it.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

WOW Powerful stuff!! ^5

Gonna steal that!! :-)

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Paul-Cincy on May 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Obama is Billy Mumy in the Twilight Zone

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Why is this medical records incident NOT bigger news, especially with the IRS enforcing the purchase of insurance policies/fines? Nobody was told that they’d be delving into personal info, but with the targeting scandal, it all makes sense. As this was a clear violation, were the people informed of the security breaches? Under law they must be….but who really thinks SIbelius will go against Obama’s pet enforcement pig?

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

I’m looking over some HIPAA stuff right now, since your first comment, and I’m not sure there’s any real protection there. The IRS is the enforcement arm of Obamacare now, anyway; they are the national health care system, or a large integrated part.

But I’m not sure. I’m closing out this HIPAA stuff. Not my field. :)

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

HAL must be off giving the crickets BJs . I thought I heard a few moans in there.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I’m looking over some HIPAA stuff right now, since your first comment, and I’m not sure there’s any real protection there. The IRS is the enforcement arm of Obamacare now, anyway; they are the national health care system, or a large integrated part.

But I’m not sure. I’m closing out this HIPAA stuff. Not my field. :)

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Legal or not this should be a bigger story. Corporations go to great lengths and costs to comply with HIPAA.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I came in late, but I think this pretty much sums up this administration, and their lap dogs nicely.

I’m at the point where I don’t give a fig whether I’m targeted or not anymore…bring it you f’ing thugs!

ccrosby on May 18, 2013 at 10:46 PM

The Privacy Rule includes both civil and criminal penalties for violations of privacy. Generally, penalties are expected to be assessed in cases where organizations or individuals act with willful neglect or intent to cause harm. Civil penalties are specified at $100 per violation, not to exceed $25,000 per person per year for identical violations. Criminal penalties for wrongful disclosure of PHI can go up to $250,000 and/or 10 years imprisonment if the offense is committed with intent to sell, transfer, or use PHI for commercial advantage, personal gain, or malicious harm.

clnurnberg on May 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Legal or not this should be a bigger story. Corporations go to great lengths and costs to comply with HIPAA.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM

But that’s you, not them.

*shrug*

Axe on May 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

So spare me the clownish antics, you have no idea how close people like me are to simply selling off and retiring which I could do tomorrow if I chose to. Because if we do in any appreciable numbers your world is going to go to hell very quickly.

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I’m there, too, and if someone as small as me, with only a few employees, about 2K at last count, goes Galt, I can only imagine how many billionaires, with hundreds of thousands of employees, are thinking the same. It’s only a matter of time or destiny if or when the bell tolls.

Just hope the barnacles wake up at some point before their ships sink away.

TXUS on May 18, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you this angry.

gophergirl on May 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I’m just so tired of this pap these people are blowing out of their pieholes, demorats and Republicans. The new budget is going to hammer people like me for another 2% as if I’m not already getting raped because I choose to work and build my businesses.

I almost passed out today filling the boat tanks, $4.51 per gallon, and last night I watched Klobuchar looking all concerned about the rising cost and saying she was going to demand answers of the refineries.

Demand answers? You stupid clown, Amy, your party WANTS this. Jeebus I hate these people, and I hate the human sewage like HAL who are furiously digging the national grave and asking “Is it deep enough yet, because I can go deeper.”

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM

HAL, as usual , when confronted with hard facts, runs away.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Bishop on May 18, 2013 at 10:49 PM

You said it way better than I could and I heartily THANK YOU!!!!

(hugs)

Scrumpy on May 18, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Interesting. So the billionaires who pay a 15% or sometimes lower effective tax rate; while you probably pay something close to 30% don’t bother you? Typically right winger.

HotAirLib on May 18, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Hey, Harvard Law grad: That right there demonstrates you don’t know what the term “effective tax rate” really means. You really should try educating yourself before commenting here. Since you have the contrarian point of view, you should have a grasp of the facts, otherwise, it just makes you look like the !@#n fool you are.

AZfederalist on May 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM

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