Quotes of the day

posted at 11:02 pm on November 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

We were wrong.

We were wrong about the turnout.

We were wrong about the makeup of the electorate.

We were wrong about the advertising mix and message that would work.

We were wrong about the effectiveness of President Obama’s turnout mechanism.

The simple fact is Republicans spent more and achieved less than Democrats in 2012…

Some Republican analysts and strategists are rushing around with new explanations of what happened and what we must do.

The fact is less than an a week after the election they don’t know what happened and they can’t possibly know what we should do.

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The Republican Party — which, by the way lost women to President Obama by 12 points — needs to run away from its archaic stance. Yes, object to abortion. Yes, work to make it rare. But move on: Abortion is here to stay. (And while you’re at it, GOP, it might just be time also to abandon that vaunted “abstinence-only” policy that has been such a dismal failure.)

Second, gay marriage. On this, simply — who cares? America 2012 has enormous problems. Is this really an issue that matters to — anyone? Christians, two men getting married doesn’t affect your marriage in any way. Get over it. The Republicans are on the wrong side of history on this issue, and Mr. Obama swept in millions of young voters by his tolerance. It’s time to walk away.

On both issues, the GOP can make a clean break: As the party of individual freedom, the GOP can simply say it now sees that Americans — especially women — do have the right to choose their own path. In fact, the party espouses the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution, always has, so the turnabout won’t even raise an eyebrow.

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My age group is one pocket of voters who Republicans should be carrying with ease. Youth is all about rebellion and freedom and independence—things the Democratic Party preaches but doesn’t deliver. Behind their clever one-liners lurks a government shackle waiting to be slapped onto the wrists of every young voter they ensnare…

Shame on Republicans for not seizing the opportunity this time around. They could so easily define their brand as the true advocate of rebellion; a “stick it to the government” movement in the spirit of the 1960s hippie wave.

It wouldn’t be a smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch trick either, like what goes on across the aisle. Republicans truly are the party of a less intrusive ruling class. Frame the Republican fundamentals—tax less, spend less—as a fresh populist approach instead of Grandpa’s adage, and the party is back in business.

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Every time I suggest better, smarter GOP outreach to young people, Hispanics, African Americans, and women, many in the GOP old guard wave their pointer fingers at me and insist that I am advocating pandering, that I am allying myself with the Left’s divide and conquer tactics.

Let me correct them in writing, as I have done in speech: Outreach is not pandering. They are completely different things. I am not talking about dividing the country up into special interest groups, pandering to voting blocs with speeches telling them what they want to hear in order to win votes. What I am talking about is taking the conservative message, a message that stands to benefit everyone in society, to places the GOP often ignores–local African-American and Hispanic church groups, feminist centers, and left-leaning college campuses, to name a few.

Will your message face resistance? Yes, and that’s okay. It gives you a chance to correct false, media-driven stereotypes about conservatives and conservatism. Will you convert the majority in one afternoon? Of course not; these stereotypes have been inculcated over decades. Opening hearts and minds is a process, not a lunch appointment. That doesn’t mean you don’t get to work. Andrew Breitbart understood that better than anyone.

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The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism. These people hated our ideas and values when we were winning and now choose this opportunity to sell us out the way they’ve always wanted. The conservative herd is headed off a cliff led by a consultant class that would otherwise now be swimming in pools full of dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck.

These people would have us believe that we must make fundamental changes to draw in new voters. We must exile social conservatives to bring in young people and single women. We must exile fiscal conservatives to bring in hispanic and black voters. With whatever is left from having exiled both, these geniuses would have us believe the Democrats in whose camp these groups already find themselves will just sit back and let it happen.

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.

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[T]hough I have my anxieties about the president’s next term, I also have a hunch the GOP dodged a bullet with Mr. Romney’s loss.

It dodged a bullet because a Romney victory would have obscured deeper trends in American politics the GOP must take into account. A Romney administration would also have been politically cautious and ideologically defensive in a way that rarely serves the party well.

Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

So get a grip, Republicans: Our republican experiment in self-government didn’t die last week. But a useful message has been sent to a party that spent too much of the past four years listening intently to echoes of itself. Change the channel for a little while.

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“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” [Sen.-elect Ted Cruz] said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse.

“In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ”

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At the same time, a Republican Party that moves too far leftward on immigration risks alienating its white working-class supporters, an easily disillusioned constituency whose support the party cannot take for granted. These voters already suspect that Republican elites don’t have their interests at heart: Mitt Romney lost last week because he underperformed among minority voters, but also because a large number of working-class whites apparently stayed home. If the party’s only post-2012 adjustment is to embrace amnesty, they aren’t likely to turn out in 2016 either.

What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts.

As the American Enterprise Institute’s Henry Olsen writes, it should be possible for Republicans to oppose an overweening and intrusive state while still recognizing that “government can give average people a hand up to achieve the American Dream.” It should be possible for the party to reform and streamline government while also addressing middle-class anxieties about wages, health care, education and more.

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The common theme here is that the current Republican economic message isn’t very compelling to any of these groups. If Republicans addressed that problem, they would find their numbers improving in all of these groups, and outside them too. White, working-class voters, who supported Romney for president but seem to have had low turnout, might have shown up in greater numbers if Republicans had retooled on economics.

Men and women, whites and Hispanics, the young and the middle-aged: All of them want politicians to offer a practical agenda to create jobs, raise wages, and make health care and higher education more affordable. Most of them aren’t wedded to liberal answers on those issues. They will take them over nothing, and that’s what Republicans have been giving them.

Republicans are unlikely to return to majority status, or even keep their current strength, unless they do better. Looking at voters in categories of race, sex and age won’t help them do that.

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Why isn’t soul searching underway on the left
? When the personality at the center of the cult leaves the stage in four years, Democrats will own his results without the benefit of his appeal. We can’t know quite what a second Obama term will bring, but if his first term is an indication, there’s little reason to expect his party will be crowing. The fiscal cliff is here but a whole landscape of steep drops comes next: the economic cliff (over which lies a possible double-dip recession), the Obamacare cliff (over which lies an unprecedented bureaucratic behemoth), the Iran cliff (over which lies a nuclear bomb), and so on. A precipice in every direction and a president who’s given us no reason to presume he can steer clear. Have Democrats stopped to wonder what initiatives they’ll have to defend when the dust settles in 2016?…

It is in the nature of personality cults to fail at most things beyond generating and disseminating propaganda. This inability is the result of two things. First, the personality’s popularity is not results-driven. Since adoration hasn’t been earned by achievement but by the advent of charisma, why kill yourself trying to get results. Second, few people are willing to candidly critique the personality at the center of the cult, so there is little chance of course correction. None of this bodes well for Barack Obama. And for the country’s sake, let’s hope it’s wrong.

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Shaping up to be an historically significant missed opportunity, or basket of opportunities, that.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 AM

It’s too common sensical. If you threw in about 16 tonnes of Rube Goldberg, then it might rise to the level that would trigger an “Open Comment Period on Proposed Legislation and/or Regulation” pursuant to the USC or CFR…and the operative word is “might.”

If we could design an Eastern Bloc visa/immigration process that resembles the Obamacare Flowchart, then we’d probably be good to go….well, perhaps.

BTW, ain’t that sumthun’?

More boards + More agencies + More apparatchiks + More panels + More inspectors + More IRS agents + 30 million more Americans covered + Double the number of people on Medicaid + Fewer physicians + Taxes on medical devices + Medicine Cabinet Tax + Fewer hospitals and hospital beds + Fewer medical innovation = Lower healthcare costs and health insurance premiums.

Math in “My Progressive Little Ponyland” is certainly peculiar.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Meds are kickin’ in. I’m out too.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM

THWACK

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:02 AM

More boards + More agencies + More apparatchiks + More panels + More inspectors + More IRS agents + 30 million more Americans covered + Double the number of people on Medicaid + Fewer physicians + Taxes on medical devices + Medicine Cabinet Tax + Fewer hospitals and hospital beds + Fewer medical innovation = Lower healthcare costs and health insurance premiums.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

:(

– Truth reaching toxic levels

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Someone linked to a tweet about this on another thread (I don’t remember, but kudos. Canopfor, maybe?):

Pic of the Day: Oh Behave!

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:06 AM

the anchoress linked to a post within which was this comment

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2012/11/im-feeling-very-hopeful.html

I’ve been suggesting to former co-partisans in the GOP that we ditch Mammon, not the moral issues. It’s a novel concept to some, to say the least. I’ve forgotten where I’m stealing the following from, but someone wrote that there are two types of conservatives, one for whom the highest good is economic efficiency, one for whom the highest good is the cultivation of the soul and of virtue. As usual, one can’t serve two masters. To beat what has become my favorite drum in these recent days, let me quote the man who did more than anyone to articulate the intellectual foundation of American conservatism, Russell Kirk, who admonishes us to reject “[t]hose who instruct us that ‘the test of the market’ is the whole of political economy and of morals.”

i think this is hardly ever really noted. in the 60s leftists saw themselves as anti-materialistic. Ironic i suppose. brooks’ book was bobo’s in paradise…bolshevik bourgeoisie

the entire leftist narrative (natch) is Materialistic (following Marx). yeah, they are bitter that they don’t have MORE STUFF…and have to WORK for it…strange little people, leftists. unpleasant really.

i wish conservatives could show the world how unpleasant they are. I see people everyday happy to work. Leftists demean work…unless it is aligned with a cult of some sort (green, oba, whatever)

liberty is about people’s souls

r keller on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Just starve them. They think dough comes from the banks and milk from the grocery stores.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:07 AM

******************* RED ALERT ******************************

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

WaPo: “FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” emails between General John Allen and Jill Kelley.”
==============

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

BREAKING: Another General John R. Allen involved in the Petraeus scandal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/scandal-probe-ensnares-commander-of-us-nato-troops-in-afghanistan/2012/11/13/7955fea4-2d54-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html
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Scandal probe ensnares commander of U.S., NATO troops in Afghanistan
Tuesday, November 13, 1:00 AM
*******************************

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/scandal-probe-ensnares-commander-of-us-nato-troops-in-afghanistan/2012/11/13/7955fea4-2d54-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

– Truth reaching toxic death panel levels

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:03 AM

FIFY, lol

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Indeed. I think the pendulum always swings back in this nation. We shouldn’t allow the media to make the ‘calibration’, though. ;-)

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Benghazi is going to fade from view and all because these generals can’t keep their zippers up.

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Social conservatives have a choice: They need more young voters and racial minorities to win elections, apparently. Do they embrace young, racially diverse Ron Paul supporters, most of whom are pro life Republicans who’ve been disenfranchised by the same GOP establishment that hates social conservatives; or do you continue to ostracize the Ron Paul supporters, abandon pro-life and embrace amnesty for illegal aliens like the corrupt GOP elites would prefer?

But for a true social conservative that is no choice at all because only one of them is a moral choice.

Please draft Ron Paul for President in ’16!

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 AM

xblade on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Yes, nationally we score less than 40% of the Hispanic vote. However, the assertion is that we could, “never,” win the Hispanic vote. Well, a candidate that actually tried to get that vote managed about forty, despite the fact that its a predominantly lower income demographic.

Forty isn’t that far off from swing voter status, and as the demographic trends middle class it should become easier to win larger chunks of it.

Asserting that we cannot, and that we shouldn’t try however, is simple foolishness. There is no reason, whatsoever, that a Hispanic cannot be every bit as conservative as a white male voter. More importantly, asserting that we cannot break into minority voting blocks is tantamount of surrendering all future elections.

Get a clue, the Hispanic vote is growing, and even with immigration slowing they are expected to continue growing for the next couple of election cycles. Even IF their portion of the vote stabilizes at a point where Republicans could still win if Caucasians voted in block, then you’ll have to deal with the growing Asian block of voters, whom through neglect have also trended steadily Democratic.

If we cannot make improvements in these demographics, before long turnout won’t matter. We’ll be done, through, all but extinct except in the most sparsely populated states.

Therefore, you either accept that you have to win some minority votes and try like crazy, or you give up. Those are the only options, period.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 1:12 AM

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Hello friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

OT–I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Hello friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

A big Texas howdy to you, Dire!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM

See this

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 AM

*************** RED ALERT PART DEUX ***********************

FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of ‘potentially inappropriate’ emails between Gen. Allen and Jill Kelley – @washingtonpost

1 min ago from http://www.washingtonpost.com by editor
==================================================

More: FBI probe has expanded to include Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of US and NATO troops in Afghanistan – @washingtonpost

4 mins ago by editor
=========================

Pentagon investigating top commander in Afghanistan for emails to woman in Petraeus scandal – @AP

6 mins ago by editor
=========================

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

What’s that they say about karma? No wonder Ms Kelly went out and retained a high-profile, pricey legal team in Washington. She’s probably in hotter water than Broadwell and she was the one that took a catfight to the FBI in the first place.

Robespierre got Citizen Louis Caput’s tête and, in the end, the citizens of France got Robespierre’s.

Tit-for-tat.

Cat-for-cat.

Tête-pour-tête.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 AM

OT–I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Very interesting. Is it feasible?

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

BREAKING: Another General John R. Allen involved in the Petraeus scandal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/scandal-probe-ensnares-commander-of-us-nato-troops-in-afghanistan/2012/11/13/7955fea4-2d54-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

The FBI probe into the sex scandal that led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus has expanded to ensnare Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, the Pentagon announced early Tuesday.

Obama had nominated Dunford last month to replace Allen. Coincidentally, the Senate Armed Services Committee had already scheduled his confirmation hearing for Thursday. Panetta said he has asked the Senate to expedite its review of Dunford’s nomination.

Associates of Petraeus have said he was not romantically involved with Kelley, although they acknowledged she was a close friend of Petraeus and his wife.

The senior defense official said the voluminous collection of emails sent between Allen and Kelley occurred between 2010 and this year, but did not give details. The official also declined to say whether Allen sent or received any of the messages from his military or government email accounts, or if classified material was compromised.

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Are we looking at a spy scandal, and not a sex scandal?

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

4Grace is here now and so is the mighty canopfor linky machine.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Whoa! Thanks for the info, canopfor!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:11 AM

4Grace:No Problemo:)
======================

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

The surge worked. RT @AdamSerwer: The US national security state is fighting a counterinsurgency in its pants.

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:19 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Hmmmm…the CinC seems to have lost control. Maybe he should get off the golf course and attend a few more meetings.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 1:19 AM

FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of ‘potentially inappropriate’ emails between Gen. Allen and Jill Kelley – @washingtonpost

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Holy cow, where did he find the time to do any generaling? [sic]

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Are we looking at a spy scandal, and not a sex scandal?

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

You’re looking at the Obama admin. meltdown.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:20 AM

***Alert ****

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

So….the Senate Armed Services Committee was set to hold a hearing to confirm John Allen Thursday as Obama’s pick for European Commander.

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:20 AM

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

I have no idea. Folks have posted about this as a possibility, but I didn’t seriously think a state would pull the trigger.

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I told you you ain’t seen nothin’, yet.

The next few weeks will be delightful.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Please draft Ron Paul for President in ’16!

For what – a commercial for The Villages or Geritol? He’ll be 81 years old.

Ron Paul: All Aboard! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaaa! Mental Wounds Still Screaming! Driving Me Insane I’m Going Off The Rails On My Crazy Train! (And I Want To Take You Along For The Ride)

M2RB: Ozzy Osbourne

Ground Control to Major Ron: Take Your Geritol And Put Your Tinfoil Hat On

M2RB: David Bowie

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Haha. Seems to be the case. Everything is breaking so quickly now. We just need to keep everything tied to Benghazi as much as possible!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of ‘potentially inappropriate’ emails between Gen. Allen and Jill Kelley – @washingtonpost

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Welp, I guess that explains Iraq and Afghanistan, doesn’t it?

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM

That’s what I loved about AP’s earlier post:

If you find yourself being lectured this week about Fox News and the ills of epistemic closure, make sure your lecturer wasn’t part of the audience that helped a liberal propaganda outfit win the demo three nights in a row last week for the first time since 2001.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/12/politico-the-gops-suffering-from-pauline-kaelism/

:)

Gonna go pick one of the comedies and skip out of reality for a little while. Just a little. For a breather. Night ever’body!

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM

This from that Washington Post article on Allen:

“But his time there may be short. Panetta has also asked the Senate to expedite the confirmation of his likely successor, Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford.

Obama had nominated Dunford last month to replace Allen. Coincidentally, the Senate Armed Services Committee had already scheduled his confirmation hearing for Thursday. Panetta said he has asked the Senate to expedite its review of Dunford’s nomination.”

Holy Sh!t! Awfully convenient that this is all going down after the election, huh?

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM

We just need to keep everything tied to Benghazi as much as possible!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

It’s a big part of it.

Obama is the Pretender.

The balloon popped, too late for the election, but it is sinking.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Are we looking at a spy scandal, and not a sex scandal?

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:17 AM

You’re looking at the Obama admin. meltdown.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Maybe, and that’s assuming they aren’t the ones using this as a way to remove and confirm people they want dealt with.

Something is going on here and its more than just bed hopping.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Oh, I thought the news was about Petraeus above… Sorry, not sure who these other people are yet.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

I told you you ain’t seen nothin’, yet.
The next few weeks will be delightful.
Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Well, I sure could use some good news.

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Gonna go pick one of the comedies and skip out of reality for a little while. Just a little. For a breather. Night ever’body!

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Hello and Goodnight, Axe. :)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM

We shouldn’t allow the media to make the ‘calibration’, though. ;-)

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Immediately earlier post was aimed at you. :) I apparently waited to long to call it a night.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM

*********SH*T,……BROKEN ARROW **********************

Department of Defense has put General John Allen’s NATO Supreme Allied Commander nomination on hold – @Reuters

7 mins ago from http://www.reuters.com by editor
=============================================

Top U.S. commander in Afghanistan under investigation, scandal widens

ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT | Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:14am EST
*************************************************************

(Reuters) – The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General John Allen, is under investigation for allegedly inappropriate communication with a woman at the center of the scandal involving former CIA Director David Petraeus, a senior U.S. defense official said on Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.
(More…)
==========

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/13/us-usa-petraeus-investigation-idUSBRE8AC05Z20121113

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:24 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Flora, you did good on waiting for the evidence. The FBI have it, 20/30,000 e-mails Allen/Kelley.

This is still not all out.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Good evening, Schadenfreude.

I pray that you are right. I want to witness the walls (or Greek columns) crumble down upon Preezy and his administration.

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Can someone summarize what is going on? Something big is happening and I got no time to follow it.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Something is going on here and its more than just bed hopping.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Indeed

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Couldn’t happen to a ‘nicer’ guy.

By inauguration the circus will be in full bloom.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Haha. Seems to be the case. Everything is breaking so quickly now. We just need to keep everything tied to Benghazi as much as possible!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:21 AM

4Grace:U-Betcha:)

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Something is going on here and its more than just bed hopping.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:23 AM

You got that right!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Can someone summarize what is going on? Something big is happening and I got no time to follow it.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Just buy more popcorn.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM

canop, you’re good.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Imagine if Cantor wouldn’t have been so stupid, and Reichert too…

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Thanks!

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:32 AM

We also had these news items before the election.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis’ home port at Bremerton, Washington stae, in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

The news comes just two days after Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced the replacement for Gen. Carter Ham, who was serving as commander of U.S. Africa Command. Ham was one of two top military commanders Panetta mentioned during a news conference on Thursday at the Pentagon, during which Panetta said the commanders “felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk” in Benghazi, Libya on Sept. 11., “without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place.”

President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.

Lot of military men are suddenly being replaced especially ones having anything to do with Libya, and yeah I know how that sounds….

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Well OK. The latest developments must be good then, as in bad for barry.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

canop, you’re good.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Almost legend.

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Lot of military men are suddenly being replaced especially ones having anything to do with Libya, and yeah I know how that sounds….

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

…it sounds kind of creepy…and like too many coincidences…

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 1:36 AM

…it sounds kind of creepy…and like too many coincidences…

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 1:36 AM

It’s not a coincidence, but it may not be…that. They may just be using an existing scandal to clear house for their own guys, or it may be something unrelated…like this Lebanese lady being a spy? Too early to really say anything conclusive.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Lot of military men are suddenly being replaced especially ones having anything to do with Libya, and yeah I know how that sounds….
sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Seriously! I need an org chart or some kind of chart to keep track of all of this moving and shaking.

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

canop, you’re good.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Well I don’t believe for a minute that canopfor is one guy. canopfor is some acronym for a team of informants who have deep connections with interpol and MI5.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

I hope Barry’s Bunch feel like Indiana Jones trying to outrun that giant boulder. Perhaps it will end differently for them?

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Well I don’t believe for a minute that canopfor is one guy. canopfor is some acronym for a team of informants who have deep connections with interpol and MI5.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Yes, of course! It all makes sense now. :)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Seriously! I need an org chart or some kind of chart to keep track of all of this moving and shaking.

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Well we do have canopfor which is almost as good.

I assume the Dunford here…Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps

…is the same Dunford here…Obama had nominated Dunford last month to replace Allen. Coincidentally, the Senate Armed Services Committee had already scheduled his confirmation hearing for Thursday. Panetta said he has asked the Senate to expedite its review of Dunford’s nomination.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:43 AM

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Yes, but it’s on hold now, the NATO nomination, until the rest ‘clears’.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Since a lot of people have been wondering, here’s what I think our nominee for 2016 must accomplish.

1: The nominee must be well spoken and serious. I cannot stress just how important this is people. Look, I liked a lot of the primary candidates personally, but most of them had no shot at the Presidency.

The first rule, is that they must look and act Presidential. Any clownish behavior disqualifies them, immediately.

2: The nominee must be easily acceptable to every major faction of the Republican Party. As much as I liked Romney for his character, he was a compromise candidate, chosen solely because he was the only serious candidate to make it through the first stage of the primary.

Our next nominee must be acceptable to fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, small government conservatives, and as an added bonus Ron Paul supporters.

The later is more a perk, I’d love to get Ron Paul supporters excited about somebody other than Ron Paul, but its hard to see them compromising on any of Ron Paul’s major platforms.

3: The nominee must understand 21st Century campaigning. Actually Romney did okay at this for the most part, except that his campaign spent too much money on advertising and not enough money on Get out the Vote.

Our next candidate must understand how to utilize the internet to track voters, how to get voters registered, how to identify and target persuadable democrats, and how to create a fully effective ground game on election day.

Even if we do better among minorities next time, GOTV is now absolutely essential for us. We either figure out how to do it well, or lose.

4: Must have a plan for attracting minority voters. Whether it is because the candidate is a minority, or simply knows how to message things properly is irrelevant. One way or the other, we have to improve our game with minorities, if only slightly.

5: Must be media proofed, and by media proofed, I mean the candidate must be able to avoid major gaffes and be able to talk about social issues without scaring away purely secular voters.

Basically, we need a perfect candidate. Yeah, I know, totally easy right!

But to be honest, even with Obama we really are going to need to run absolutely dynamite candidates from now on. The stakes are too high, and the media is too unfair. Anything less is just going be torn apart, like Romney was.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Yes, but it’s on hold now, the NATO nomination, until the rest ‘clears’.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:45 AM

I would expect that it gets expedited. They will want him out fast particularly if he was going to be replaced anyway.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Well I don’t believe for a minute that canopfor is one guy. canopfor is some acronym for a team of informants who have deep connections with interpol and MI5.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 1:39 AM

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Yes, of course! It all makes sense now. :)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:43 AM

.
S i g h

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 1:50 AM

LOL
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Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew

Yep h/t @Alex_Ogle Generals meme: pic.twitter.com/z6Ii7WEA

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/268242617609904128/photo/1

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:51 AM

i believe the hammer hits the nail here:
“I don’t know if a lot of you had heard this, but the CIA annex had actually taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think the attack on the consulate was an attempt to get these prisoners back,” she said then. “It’s still being vetted.”
if what she said is true…on almost any level..
the top dozen officals in this country LIED…
hard,fast,often and all on tape…
this could make watergate look like a
dime store break-in….oh wait…

going2mars on November 13, 2012 at 1:53 AM

LOL,Part Deux
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Scott Lamb ‏@scottlamb

Right you are, @Alex_Ogle pic.twitter.com/4dJrt7om

https://twitter.com/scottlamb/status/268243562393661440/photo/1

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:53 AM

S i g h

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 1:50 AM

????

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:53 AM

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Allen’s was put on hold, for the NATO job.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM

********************* RED ALERT **************************

Official statement from Secretary of Defense on General John Allen – @DeptofDefense

1 min ago from http://www.defense.gov by editor
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U.S. Department of Defense
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs)
News Release
November 12, 2012
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Statement by the Secretary of Defense on General John Allen

On Sunday, the Federal Bureau of Investigation referred to the Department of Defense a matter involving General John Allen, Commander of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan.

Today, I directed that the matter be referred to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense for investigation, and it is now in the hands of the Inspector General. I have informed the Chairman and Ranking Member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. The House Armed Services Committee has also been notified.

While the matter is under investigation and before the facts are determined, General Allen will remain Commander of ISAF. His leadership has been instrumental in achieving the significant progress that ISAF, working alongside our Afghan partners, has made in bringing greater security to the Afghan people and in ensuring that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for terrorists. He is entitled to due process in this matter.

In the meantime, I have asked the President – and the President has agreed – to put his nomination on hold until the relevant facts are determined. I have asked both Senators Levin and McCain that the confirmation hearing on General Allen’s pending nomination to be Commander of United States European Command and Supreme Allied Commander, Europe be delayed.

The President has nominated General Joseph Dunford, Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps, to succeed General Allen at ISAF. I respectfully requested that the Senate act promptly on that nomination.
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http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=15673

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 1:56 AM

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 1:50 AM

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????

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:53 AM

.
Okay, I might have missed the sarcasm there.

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 1:58 AM

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Yes, I realize Hispanics are a challenging block to win over. Any demographic that has been pre-inclined to vote a certain way for more than a generation WILL take time to win over.

Thats the thing though, I’m not talking about immense or overnight improvement. The next election is likely to have slightly lower minority turnout due to Obama being off the ballot, so this gives us a little extra time to make inroads.

Still, in four years, a five percent improvement among Hispanics should be possible. If we specifically target younger Hispanics whom have spent their entire lives here, with messages that resonate with younger voters in general, we ought to be able to flip some to the Republican side.

Again, we’re probably talking 3-5% improvement, but if we’re improving our vote among Hispanics by 3 to 5% every election, and can keep it up for three or four elections, we’ll be in excellent shape regardless how big a part of the electorate they become.

Again, this is a sort long, long game kind of thing. We’ve got to look beyond just the next election cycle if we’re ever going to make the country a freer place.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Rumor has it that General Ham and Admiral Gaouette ordered a strike in support of the guys in Benghazi and were countermanded by the White House.

According to ABC news the reason Gaouette was removed…The replacement was prompted by an Inspector General’s investigation of allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment.

Inappropriate leadership judgment? That could mean just about anything.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM

OT–I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

I hope so.

http://electionresults.sos.mt.gov/resultsCTY.aspx?type=BQ&rid=450000368&osn=620&map=CTY

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Okay, I might have missed the sarcasm there.

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 1:58 AM

;)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:00 AM

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM

Hi, lady!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:02 AM

20,000 to 30,000 pages of email. Good to see that these guys are fully concentrating on winning the war.

Mark1971 on November 13, 2012 at 2:03 AM

O T – I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

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I hope so.

http://electionresults.sos.mt.gov/resultsCTY.aspx?type=BQ&rid=450000368&osn=620&map=CTY

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM

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Dittos.

But I’ll need more evidence than “tweets”, before I get too excited.

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 2:04 AM

20,000 to 30,000 pages of email. Good to see that these guys are fully concentrating on winning the war.

Mark1971 on November 13, 2012 at 2:03 AM

They must be including text messaging with that because how on earth could anyone produce that number of E-mails?

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 2:05 AM

canop, you’re good.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM

Almost legend.

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Corporal Tunnel:

Thanks Everyone,I’m at the right spot,at the right time,and speaking of Legends,er Zombies!
=========================================================

Why World War Z scares me — and not in the good way
Saturday, November 10, 2012 – 6:04 PM
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We might live in an era of globalization, but its is nevertheless true that travel abroad leads to some odd news gaps when one returns. Last year I took a transatlantic flight and while I was incommunicado, Hosni Mubarak stepped down as the President of Egypt. During yesterday’s trip, David Petraeus resigned after… after…. well, insert your own pun involving Petraeus and Paula Broadwell here, but only if you think you can top the New York Post.

Still, I think the biggest shock I encountered upon my return was the new trailer for World War Z, starring Brad Pitt and based on the best zombie novel ever written (by Max Brooks).

I once asked Max — yeah, I know him, I get to call him Max, just f***ing deal with it — how he was handling the movie version of his book, and he told me that his strategy was to simply sign over the rights and then not pay an iota of attention to what happened. Once it became clear that the producers weren’t interested in his input, he figured that it was the only way to stay sane.

After watching the trailer, I think his strategy is sound, because it looks like what they’re doing to World War Z is a travesty:

Now, let me preface my reaction to this trailer with the following caveats:

1) All movies that are inspired by books will deviate from their source material. That doesn’t make the films bad (see my review of Argo, for example).

2) This is a trailer, and very often trailers are designed to misdirect your perceptions of how the film will play out. So maybe the movie will play out differently.

3) Even this trailer has hints of the book I love — there are suggestions of the sweeping global canvas that made the book so great.

All that said, this looks pretty bad.

First off, there’s the fast CGI zombies. One of the great pleasures of World War Z the novel was the way in which the degree of threat slowly creeped up, just like the walkers that Brooks used for his zombies. Switching to the 28 Days Later style of ghouls changes the nature of the threat in ways that undercut one of the central pleasures of Brooks’ novel. The trailer looks like a globalized version of 28 Days Later. Which would be OK if the zombies in the movie version of World War Z were as scary as that movie’s Infected. Which they ain’t. You know a movie’s Big Bad is in trouble when the Dark Seekers from I Am Legend look positively life-like(More….)
==============================

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/10/why_world_war_z_scares_me_and_not_in_the_good_way

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Rush says he was the primary reason Romney lost?

You mean Rush is the one who added hundreds of thousands of illegal votes in key blue districts so Obama could cheat?

Shame on you, Rush.

The Rogue Tomato on November 13, 2012 at 2:08 AM

if you look at drudge…Petreaus OUT…Kerry IN…all in the juxtaposition

http://www.drudgereport.com/

and really the whole above the fold stuff is very interesting. Matt is telling a story…now, he’s a showboat…but he’s telling a story

r keller on November 13, 2012 at 2:09 AM

First off, there’s the fast CGI zombies. One of the great pleasures of World War Z the novel was the way in which the degree of threat slowly creeped up, just like the walkers that Brooks used for his zombies. Switching to the 28 Days Later style of ghouls changes the nature of the threat in ways that undercut one of the central pleasures of Brooks’ novel.

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 2:06 AM

They need to stop with their hysteria over fast zombies vs slow zombies. Slow zombies can be fun but they don’t really pose much of a threat to a well armed population. Maybe they are scary in Europe but with so many AKs and ARs out there, it would be a shooting gallery if they ever rose.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Hi, lady!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:02 AM

It’s so good to see you, I’d been busy since school started with kid’s…. so had not made it to QOTD for such a long time, then Black Tuesday and well…I came on a couple of nights ago and it seemed like everyone had bugged out. I had a bit of a panic, but
Slade helped me out:)
Thanks again Slade.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Dittos.

But I’ll need more evidence than “tweets”, before I get too excited.

listens2glenn on November 13, 2012 at 2:04 AM

I’ll ask someone I know, (pretty well placed) and report back tomorrow night.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:17 AM

O T – I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

txhsmom:)
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Will Montana Voters Nullify the Mandate?
on Tuesday, October 30th, 2012 at 3:13 am
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HELENA, Mont. – On Nov. 6, Montana residents will exercise their sovereign right and decide on health care freedom.

LR-122

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Montana_Health_Care_Measure,_LR-122_%282012%29

would prohibit the state and federal governments from requiring any Montana citizen to purchase health insurance, or from “imposing any penalty, tax, fee or fine on those who do not purchase health insurance.”

Supporters in the legislature opted for a legislatively-referred state statute, figuring they would have a better chance of getting the bill enacted as a ballot measure, avoiding Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer’s veto pen.

Rep. Gary MacLaren (R-Victor) introduced the measure in the House. He called health insurance mandates a punishment for poverty.

“Who doesn’t have health insurance? People who can’t afford it. If they don’t [buy it] we’re going to fine them. So what are we doing? We’re fining people for being poor.”

Sen. Art Wittich (R-Bozeman) also supported the measure, calling the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act a federal overreach.

“That’s not the role of government, to tell us what we have to buy.”

The full text of the measure is as follows:

LEGISLATIVE REFERENDUM NO. 122
AN ACT REFERRED BY THE LEGISLATURE

AN ACT PROHIBITING THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM MANDATING THE PURCHASE OF HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE OR IMPOSING PENALTIES FOR DECISIONS RELATED TO THE PURCHASE OF HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE; PROVIDING THAT THE PROPOSED ACT BE SUBMITTED TO THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF MONTANA; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

LR-122 prohibits the state and federal governments from requiring the purchase of health insurance or imposing any penalty, tax, fee or fine on those who do not purchase health insurance. The prohibition does not apply to: (1) a court which orders the purchase of insurance when an individual or entity is a named party in a judicial dispute; (2) the state department of public health and human services as part of a child support enforcement action; or (3) the Montana university system as a requirement for students.

[] FOR prohibiting the state or federal government from mandating the purchase of health insurance or imposing penalties for decisions related to purchasing health insurance.

[] AGAINST prohibiting the state or federal government from mandating the purchase of health insurance or imposing penalties for decisions related to purchasing health insurance.

Unsurprisingly, opponents demonstrated their typically muddled understanding of the Constitution’s “Supremacy Clause” arguing that LR-122 wouldn’t make any practical difference because the Supreme Court ruled the federal insurance mandates constitutional.

The Associated Press reported:

If there is any conflict between state and federal laws, the federal law wins. That’s called the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution, said University of Montana law professor Anthony Johnstone.

“This means that while the Montana Legislature or the people of Montana may pass laws that conflict with federal law, such laws are unenforceable as a practical matter,” Johnstone said in an analysis of the ballot questions in response to an Associated Press query.

Wittich said it was still important to pass the initiative because if enough states push back, the feds will have to listen to the people.

Tenth Amendment Center communications director Mike Maharrey blasted Johnstone for perpetuating a bastardized understanding of federal supremacy, pointing out that only acts passed “in pursuance of” the Constitution stand as the supreme law of the land. Without a constitutionally enumerated power to support them, Congressional acts are nothing more than an illegal usurpation of power.

These so-called legal scholars can blather on in condescending tones all they want, but that doesn’t mean they know what the hell they are talking about,” he said. “These clowns completely ignore the key phrase in the supremacy clause ‘in pursuance of.’ Sure, the Supreme Court gave us its opinion on the constitutionality of Obamacare. But their opinion is based on about 100 years of unconstitutional precedent. My challenge to Johnstone and his like-minded colleagues is to point to me the enumerated power that delegates Congress the power to create a one-size-fits-all federal health care system. They can’t – because it doesn’t exist.”

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For more information on health freedom legislation across the U.S., click HERE.

For information on health care nullification legislation, click HERE
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http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/10/30/will-montana-voters-nullify-the-mandate/

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 2:19 AM

But Broadwell’s father said Sunday his daughter is the victim of character assassination and implied the bombshell story is just a smoke screen for something bigger.

“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” Broadwell’s dad, Paul Krantz, told the Daily News outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.

“There is a lot more that is going to come out,” said Krantz, claiming he was not allowed to elaborate. “You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.”

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 2:19 AM

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Likewise:)

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:24 AM

O T – I’m seeing tweets about Montana using nullification re:Obamacare. Anybody know if this is true?

txhsmom on November 13, 2012 at 1:14 AM

txhsmom:)

I should of cut to the chase,it appears its passed:)
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Montana Health Care Measure, LR-122 (2012)
*******************************************

The Montana Health Care Amendment will be on the November 6, 2012 ballot in the state of Montana as a legislatively-referred state statute were it was approved. The measure allows residents in the state the choice to decide if they want health insurance or not, and which health insurance to buy if they choose to do so. The measure is in response to federal health care mandates that have been passed nationally by President Barack Obama. The proposal was introduced to the Montana Legislature by State Representative Gary MacLaren.[1]

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Montana_Health_Care_Measure,_LR-122_%282012%29

Election results

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 2:24 AM

A big Texas howdy to you, Dire!

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 1:15 AM

That is sounding good to me..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM

A couple of notes on this Veteran’s Day (observed).

Barry is, of course, breaking/forgetting yet another promise.

The men and women who have served this country, many of them paying the ultimate price, deserve our resolve. How many generations have suffered through wars, depressions, recessions, bad leadership? They persevered not just for themselves, but for the future of their children and for the future of the country they so loved.

If any lurkers are feeling deflated, defeated, hopeless, or fearful…DON’T. Moments here and there are going to be filled with those emotions, but do not let them overwhelm you. Fight for this country, in whatever manner you so choose. Go Galt, go into politics, hound our representatives, coalesce in Red states…whatever. Just do not give up. Prior generations have dealt with worse. We will survive this, IF we fight.

(apologies for the rambling rant)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:27 AM

That is sounding good to me..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM

:)

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:31 AM

So the people of Montana voted overwhelmingly for an anti-Obamacare initiative but voted to reelect their senator that voted for Obamacare.

Mark1971 on November 13, 2012 at 2:32 AM

This is sadistic. We’re just crushed and we haven’t even had time to mentally or emotionally recover from this catastrophic loss, and these people, many of them from our own side, are jumping in and beating us over the head with sticks.

It’s all bluster on their part. Triumphalism. One who engages in it is one who, after having gained a temporary advantage, remains aware of his own acute weakness.

The coalition they’ve formed is untenable. And the kind of society they envision is unsustainable.

Their pride comes before their fall.

sartana on November 13, 2012 at 2:32 AM

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 2:24 AM

You think the national election, didn’t feel right, we passed 3 initiatives the right way and then got another stupid D Gov. and sent Tester back to the Senate.
I’m all for the Higher education bubble to burst if you get my drift, can you say same day registration.
Plus it wouldn’t have turned out like this had the Dem’s not run a not so covert ad campaign supporting the Libertarian (almost like the Au Claire deal in MO, called themselves hunters…)
Breitbart has the back story, in archives.
Bunch of garbage.

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM

I thought Montana used to be reliably red. Did a bunch of Cali people move there & politically pollute the joint?

4Grace on November 13, 2012 at 2:38 AM

MontanaMmmm on November 13, 2012 at 2:34 AM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 2:39 AM

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