Quotes of the day

posted at 11:02 pm on November 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

We were wrong.

We were wrong about the turnout.

We were wrong about the makeup of the electorate.

We were wrong about the advertising mix and message that would work.

We were wrong about the effectiveness of President Obama’s turnout mechanism.

The simple fact is Republicans spent more and achieved less than Democrats in 2012…

Some Republican analysts and strategists are rushing around with new explanations of what happened and what we must do.

The fact is less than an a week after the election they don’t know what happened and they can’t possibly know what we should do.

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The Republican Party — which, by the way lost women to President Obama by 12 points — needs to run away from its archaic stance. Yes, object to abortion. Yes, work to make it rare. But move on: Abortion is here to stay. (And while you’re at it, GOP, it might just be time also to abandon that vaunted “abstinence-only” policy that has been such a dismal failure.)

Second, gay marriage. On this, simply — who cares? America 2012 has enormous problems. Is this really an issue that matters to — anyone? Christians, two men getting married doesn’t affect your marriage in any way. Get over it. The Republicans are on the wrong side of history on this issue, and Mr. Obama swept in millions of young voters by his tolerance. It’s time to walk away.

On both issues, the GOP can make a clean break: As the party of individual freedom, the GOP can simply say it now sees that Americans — especially women — do have the right to choose their own path. In fact, the party espouses the freedoms enshrined in the Constitution, always has, so the turnabout won’t even raise an eyebrow.

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My age group is one pocket of voters who Republicans should be carrying with ease. Youth is all about rebellion and freedom and independence—things the Democratic Party preaches but doesn’t deliver. Behind their clever one-liners lurks a government shackle waiting to be slapped onto the wrists of every young voter they ensnare…

Shame on Republicans for not seizing the opportunity this time around. They could so easily define their brand as the true advocate of rebellion; a “stick it to the government” movement in the spirit of the 1960s hippie wave.

It wouldn’t be a smoke-and-mirrors, bait-and-switch trick either, like what goes on across the aisle. Republicans truly are the party of a less intrusive ruling class. Frame the Republican fundamentals—tax less, spend less—as a fresh populist approach instead of Grandpa’s adage, and the party is back in business.

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Every time I suggest better, smarter GOP outreach to young people, Hispanics, African Americans, and women, many in the GOP old guard wave their pointer fingers at me and insist that I am advocating pandering, that I am allying myself with the Left’s divide and conquer tactics.

Let me correct them in writing, as I have done in speech: Outreach is not pandering. They are completely different things. I am not talking about dividing the country up into special interest groups, pandering to voting blocs with speeches telling them what they want to hear in order to win votes. What I am talking about is taking the conservative message, a message that stands to benefit everyone in society, to places the GOP often ignores–local African-American and Hispanic church groups, feminist centers, and left-leaning college campuses, to name a few.

Will your message face resistance? Yes, and that’s okay. It gives you a chance to correct false, media-driven stereotypes about conservatives and conservatism. Will you convert the majority in one afternoon? Of course not; these stereotypes have been inculcated over decades. Opening hearts and minds is a process, not a lunch appointment. That doesn’t mean you don’t get to work. Andrew Breitbart understood that better than anyone.

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The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism. These people hated our ideas and values when we were winning and now choose this opportunity to sell us out the way they’ve always wanted. The conservative herd is headed off a cliff led by a consultant class that would otherwise now be swimming in pools full of dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck.

These people would have us believe that we must make fundamental changes to draw in new voters. We must exile social conservatives to bring in young people and single women. We must exile fiscal conservatives to bring in hispanic and black voters. With whatever is left from having exiled both, these geniuses would have us believe the Democrats in whose camp these groups already find themselves will just sit back and let it happen.

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.

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[T]hough I have my anxieties about the president’s next term, I also have a hunch the GOP dodged a bullet with Mr. Romney’s loss.

It dodged a bullet because a Romney victory would have obscured deeper trends in American politics the GOP must take into account. A Romney administration would also have been politically cautious and ideologically defensive in a way that rarely serves the party well.

Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

So get a grip, Republicans: Our republican experiment in self-government didn’t die last week. But a useful message has been sent to a party that spent too much of the past four years listening intently to echoes of itself. Change the channel for a little while.

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“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” [Sen.-elect Ted Cruz] said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse.

“In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ”

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At the same time, a Republican Party that moves too far leftward on immigration risks alienating its white working-class supporters, an easily disillusioned constituency whose support the party cannot take for granted. These voters already suspect that Republican elites don’t have their interests at heart: Mitt Romney lost last week because he underperformed among minority voters, but also because a large number of working-class whites apparently stayed home. If the party’s only post-2012 adjustment is to embrace amnesty, they aren’t likely to turn out in 2016 either.

What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts.

As the American Enterprise Institute’s Henry Olsen writes, it should be possible for Republicans to oppose an overweening and intrusive state while still recognizing that “government can give average people a hand up to achieve the American Dream.” It should be possible for the party to reform and streamline government while also addressing middle-class anxieties about wages, health care, education and more.

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The common theme here is that the current Republican economic message isn’t very compelling to any of these groups. If Republicans addressed that problem, they would find their numbers improving in all of these groups, and outside them too. White, working-class voters, who supported Romney for president but seem to have had low turnout, might have shown up in greater numbers if Republicans had retooled on economics.

Men and women, whites and Hispanics, the young and the middle-aged: All of them want politicians to offer a practical agenda to create jobs, raise wages, and make health care and higher education more affordable. Most of them aren’t wedded to liberal answers on those issues. They will take them over nothing, and that’s what Republicans have been giving them.

Republicans are unlikely to return to majority status, or even keep their current strength, unless they do better. Looking at voters in categories of race, sex and age won’t help them do that.

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Why isn’t soul searching underway on the left
? When the personality at the center of the cult leaves the stage in four years, Democrats will own his results without the benefit of his appeal. We can’t know quite what a second Obama term will bring, but if his first term is an indication, there’s little reason to expect his party will be crowing. The fiscal cliff is here but a whole landscape of steep drops comes next: the economic cliff (over which lies a possible double-dip recession), the Obamacare cliff (over which lies an unprecedented bureaucratic behemoth), the Iran cliff (over which lies a nuclear bomb), and so on. A precipice in every direction and a president who’s given us no reason to presume he can steer clear. Have Democrats stopped to wonder what initiatives they’ll have to defend when the dust settles in 2016?…

It is in the nature of personality cults to fail at most things beyond generating and disseminating propaganda. This inability is the result of two things. First, the personality’s popularity is not results-driven. Since adoration hasn’t been earned by achievement but by the advent of charisma, why kill yourself trying to get results. Second, few people are willing to candidly critique the personality at the center of the cult, so there is little chance of course correction. None of this bodes well for Barack Obama. And for the country’s sake, let’s hope it’s wrong.

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Ya know I don’t want to get into a protracted debate about the growth rate of toadstools but it seems to me that its slower this time of year.

Has this been your experience too?

SparkPlug on November 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Now, what could they really be talking about..?

d1carter on November 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Well, it isn’t the fiscal cliff, I do know that much. I was laughing about the FBI and the shirtless pictures, I even woke up Comrade Fred and the rest of the beasts downstairs.

That list sobered me up real fast.

JPeterman on November 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Oh god I need a laugh!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:50 PM

mi·lieu

[mil-yoo, meel-; Fr. mee-lyœ]

noun, plural mi·lieus, French mi·lieux

surroundings, especially of a social or cultural nature: a snobbish milieu.

Axe on November 12, 2012 at 11:51 PM

I keep thinking this is all a bad dream and the election hasn’t happened yet.

Rusty Allen on November 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Cheer up. The worst is yet to come. In another few years, you will look back at today as the Good Old Days.

VorDaj on November 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM

your corrupt party sucks ass!

FloatingRock on November 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM

…you’ve hit the mental cliff !

KOOLAID2 on November 12, 2012 at 11:53 PM

So, Obama isn’t gonna help da gehs any more? Awwww shucksy wuckies.

He sure is gonna make sure we all get screwed tho…

Now for somthing completely different!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60MQ3AG1c8o

Dance DANCE!! You KNOW you want too!! hahahahahaha…

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:53 PM

…you’ve hit the mental cliff !

KOOLAID2 on November 12, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Once again: Ready, set . . . jump! :)

So many applications tonight.

Axe on November 12, 2012 at 11:55 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 12, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good grief. Not this sh!t again.

Corporal Tunnel on November 12, 2012 at 11:56 PM

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist only until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesses from the public treasury. From that time on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.

The Scottish Jurist and Historian Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: Year 1810

Doesn’t have to be so.

Speakup on November 12, 2012 at 11:56 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Sigh. I know. I wish they would stay in their liberal states instead of spreading their germs in our states- we are getting a lot if Illinoise and Iowahns.

AZgranny on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8

For Sparkplug ;-)

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

I was wrong to believe that free men would rise up against a tyrant.

Bishop on November 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

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We learned Democracy and Freedom are NOT mutually exclusive.

FlaMurph on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

************ Alert *************

Defense Secretary Panetta said administration is nearing decision on US troop levels in Afghanistan after combat mission ends in 2014 – @AP

5 mins ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/panetta-admin-deciding-post-2014-troop-levels

canopfor on November 12, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Speakup on November 12, 2012 at 11:56 PM

If we refuse to learn from it, it will be repeated… Karma…

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

AZgranny on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

I’m an Iowa born Chicago girl and my husband is Hoosier-Chi. Not ALL of Us are lefties. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM

We learned Democracy and Freedom are NOT mutually exclusive.

FlaMurph on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

. . . What?

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM

“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” [Sen.-elect Ted Cruz] said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.”

Paul Sadler — evil, rich white male par excellence — beat Cruz 65% to his 35% with Hispanic voters. GOP identity politics just isn’t going to work much like importing more poor people isn’t going to work.

It really is economics, people. Republicans are going to have to start feeling some people’s pain pretty quick to shore up the white working class and appeal to Hispanics who think we just. don’t. care.

We also need to stop catering to Big Business and the Cheap Labor lobby whose $$$ did not make a difference in moving voters toward Romney. Besides, most of those folks have more in common with each other in Davos, Switzerland than they do with taxpayers in Texas, Virginia, or Iowa.

I hate to say it, but Ross Douthat & Co. might be on to something here.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM

True-some of us are escapees! My husband and I are from Minnesota- another liberal stronghold.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Cruz is Cuban(his mom is ‘white’) so he’s not ‘Hispanic’ Hispanic.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM

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Last week we learned that the citizenry has the ability to vote away the freedoms that define us.

And they may not be able to be stopped.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM

How do you possibly come back from that.

Bishop on November 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Just pretend it doesn’t exist…

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Spawn-he’s on the couch behind me-was born at the same hospital that John Stossel was born in. That hospital is Catholic run and is likely to close rather than perform abortions or cover its employees BC.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Good grief. Not this sh!t again.

Corporal Tunnel on November 12, 2012 at 11:56 PM

Case No. 12-cv-04269-JBW-RML

Seven Percent Solution on November 13, 2012 at 12:08 AM

407,000 votes in four states (including a couple with some serious voting fraud accusations) separated this election from going to Romney. This is not the time to cave and give up. Better and smarter messaging, better and smarter outreach to the Yutes, Libertarians, Hispanics and single women, and it is doable. No pandering. No amnesty. Younger, more common man conservatism is needed. The current leadership of Boehner and McConnell has got to go.

If that doesn’t work in 2014 and 2016, the divorce is in order, and the groundwork for that option should be in place.

Rockshine on November 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The list of people Dear Leader meets with to discuss the fiscal cliff…no press.
This should be fun…

d1carter on November 12, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Funny, isn’t it? When Bush eked out a win in 2000, the left was all about how he needed to govern from the center. Jugears barely wins the popular vote in 2012, where are the calls for him to compromise and move to the center?

Funny that.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Canopfor: GroundZero is on the ball tonight! You listening to it?

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:11 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Did you see this in the headlines?

“I’m tired of religious groups operating secular enterprises (hospitals, schools),” writer Kevin Drum fumed in the liberal Mother Jones, “hiring people of multiple faiths, serving the general public, taking taxpayer dollars — and then claiming that deeply held religious beliefs should exempt them from public policy.”

I am getting weary. They seem to be coming at us from all angles!

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

[T]hough I have my anxieties about the president’s next term, I also have a hunch the GOP dodged a bullet with Mr. Romney’s loss.

Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

This. Even if Romney had pulled off a squeaker(since a landslide obviously was never in the cards), he would’ve been saddled with a Democrat Senate. So Obamacare would’ve likely been fully implemented as scheduled. Tax reform would’ve been an impossibility. Energy policy would’ve been crafted only so far as executive orders would’ve allowed it. Hell, even passing a budget would’ve been a Herculean task.

And in the end, no matter what a President Romney would’ve accomplished legislatively, he would’ve been to blame for the almost inevitable economic downturn that’s coming in 2013. As this is seemingly unavoidable, why not let Obama and the Democrat Party own it completely?

Now we still have to cope with the possibility of up to 3 new Supreme Court justices appointed by Obama, so let’s pray for the continued health of Scalia and Kennedy, but otherwise it does seem like we may be best served by having the architect of this pending economic disaster be the one at the helm when the Titanic hits the iceberg.

Doughboy on November 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

If we refuse to learn from it, it will be repeated… Karma…

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Good point..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction

Ronald Reagan

Jvette on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Every time I suggest better, smarter GOP outreach to young people, Hispanics, African Americans, and women, many in the GOP old guard wave their pointer fingers at me and insist that I am advocating pandering, that I am allying myself with the Left’s divide and conquer tactics.

Mark Levin was pointing out tonight that Hispanics have voted heavily Democartic since Carter (if not before). They even voted overwhelmingly for Mondale and Dukakis (even after Reagan signed the amnesty bill just two years before the 1988 election).

The GOP is never going to get more than about 30% of the Hispanic vote, 10% of the black vote or 25% of the Jewish vote. Jews are overwhelmingly liberal and many blacks and Hispanics are poor and looking for “free stuff.”

Women and youth can be won over. They are the groups the GOP should focus on, especially if the economy continues to fall.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Thanks Rush. Without you Sandra Fluke and her message would never have come to national stage. Her name might have only gotten a tiny mention in the Wikipedia article regarding congressional hearing. You changed all that. Without that history and the current sensitivity even Akin’s comments could have gone unnoticed. Maybe even the question would not have popped.

We on the left owe you big time. Thank you!

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM

The people are being programmed by the media, by politicians, by the education system… and at every step, conservatives are cursed.

My ire is irked…

The egg is cracking, and it isn’t cake we gonna bake!

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:16 AM

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

2 of the 3 hospitals in that area are Catholic. They fall under the Authority of the Archdiocese of Chicago. Francis Cardinal George has indicated that he will NOT pay reindeer games w/ the Obama administration over Catholic teaching.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Scrumpy on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

ROTF.

Pistol Shrimp/Honey Badger 2016

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Given how the GOP establishment is taking this, the time to start thinking third party is now. A Tea Party or Constitution Party could start attracting both disaffected Republicans and any remaining non-communist democrats. It needs to start at the congressional level, but might have appeal, particularly after the coming economic disaster that the re-election of Obama and maintenance of democrat majority in the Senate now all but guarantee. A clearly articulated return to constitutional principles will hopefully resound with the electorate. The GOP message is sure too muddied at this point, they view the Tea Party as a greater threat and work harder to defeat it than they do to defeat their democrat challengers. Maybe it’s time to give them something real to fear.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Last week we learned that the citizenry has the ability to vote away the freedoms that define us.

And they may not be able to be stopped.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM

O. Thanks. :)

I’m just trying to follow doggedly until this fog clears.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Dave is not here.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Awwww shucks I couldn’t help it… that always makes me laugh me socks off!!

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” [Sen.-elect Ted Cruz] said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.”

According to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, 70% of Texans were Anglos in 1980. Hispanics are projected to overtake Anglos in 2020 and by 2040 70% of Texans will be Hispanic.

Texas is a California waiting to happen.

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

We on the left owe you big time. Thank you!

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM

You can have the rich harlot, hypocrite.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM

lester is mad. He might jump.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 AM

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Got about 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Texan Republicans typically get about 40% of the Hispanic vote in state races.

There is absolutely no reason why we cannot win the Hispanic vote. The reason we’ve had trouble with them historically, is because they are predominantly lower income. However, Hispanic Americans are slowly trending towards higher incomes. Specifically, 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanic immigrants tend to earn more than those that migrated more recently.

With immigration slowing from Mexico, there is absolutely no reason we could not turn Hispanics into a swing vote. It may take awhile, but if we start reaching out now, we’ll be in much better shape as they trend more and more middle-class.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Rockshine on November 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM

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It was that close. And that 407k number only needs half of that vote total amount to be switched to swing it the other way.
210k out of 120 million votes. That 49-49 polling was accurate father all.

Imagine the rioting if Mitt won college but not Pop vote? Cats and dogs Lenny……….

One could never explain the electoral details to a low information democrat voter………

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Last week we learned that the citizenry has the ability to vote away the freedoms that define us.

And they may not be able to be stopped.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM

I believe the Obama voters are subjects, not citizens.

djtnt on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Cruz is Cuban(his mom is ‘white’) so he’s not ‘Hispanic’ Hispanic.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Diane Dinesh — somewhat less evil, married, white woman par excellence — won 61% of the Hispanic vote over Susana Martinez’s 38% in 2010.

Once again something other than identity politics is keeping Hispanics (even with someone of Hispanic ethnicity on the ballot) from breaking overwhelmingly for the Republican. We need to find out what that something is.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

bw222 on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

My area ain’t going to go Hispanic-it’s gonna go muslim. Lubbock has at least two mosques. The one near TTU is where the visibly radical attend. Lubbock will someday be known as the Islamobad of the Plains. *sigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Dave told me he was going away for a while..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Would love to believe the TP can become an entity to be respected,
but the meme is… well we all know what the LSM and dems etc think of the TP. How do you overcome their messaging?

As you pointed out even the repubs fight against the TP!

It’s all too much to take in and digest and even try to come to terms with…

We have outlets to spread the message, but it’s not getting thru…

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Ok, I’m coming around. The problem was turnout. That means it was our GOTV effort, or it was our candidate or both. The electorate is changing, but for the media to point to a systemic problem for Republicans means that they think Obama should have been beatable.

I’ve defended Romney after the election, but I think Obama’s power of the incumbency combined with his early strikes in his ‘Kill Romney’ strategy are ultimately what led to our defeat. Our voters were discouraged, didn’t care for Romney and stayed home.

Look, though. Clinton won by greater margins in 1996 and that wasn’t the end of the world, was it?

Yeah, I know Obama did it without moving to the right after the midterm rebuke, unlike Clinton, but the nation did let us keep the house, so Republicans, for the moment are still a national political force to be reckoned with.

I think I’ve said ‘Let It Burn’ a hundred times in the past week and have even thought about flying my flag in distress position, but I am starting to feel a little positivity.

I’m looking at this way. We all know Obama has to work with us. He knows it too. We’re going to get some of what we want. On the other hand, he’s likely to be mired in scandal and weakened considerably by the time he leaves office.

If he wants a lasting legacy, he’ll have to give the appearance of bipartisanship and he’ll be held accountable if things come to as standstill and we make no progress.

The people only gave him 4 more years because they really believed what Clinton said about ‘no one could have fixed it in that amount of time.’ If it’s still that way by the time 2016 rolls around, though, Democrats are going to get slaughtered.

We know their way is failure, it’s just taking time for the rest of the nation to figure it out.

Chin Up!

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Last count I read of, we have 33,000 in OK…

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Every time I suggest better, smarter GOP outreach to young people, Hispanics, African Americans, and women, many in the GOP old guard wave their pointer fingers at me and insist that I am advocating pandering, that I am allying myself with the Left’s divide and conquer tactics.

Depends upon what is being suggested. If by “smarter outreach” to young people you mean forgiving student loans, free birth control, and other free stuff — yeah,we got a problem.

If by “smarter outreach” to hispanics, you mean “comprehensive immigration reform” that means “amnesty” and rewarding of those who have broken the law — yeah, that’s a problem.

If by “smarter outreach” to African Americans you mean “don’t touch their welfare and continued reverse discrimination through affirmative action” — that’s a problem

If by “smarter outreach” to women you mean “free birth control” and “uncompromising support of abortion” even if we see abortion as what it is, murder, the snuffing out of a human life — yeah, we have a problem.

You see, if the idea that “smarter outreach” means abandoning principle and just becoming a different democrat party, that doesn’t seem like it is going to make much of a difference in the headlong dash to destruction upon which our country seems to be embarked.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM

lester is mad. He might jump.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 AM

Who do you think will be better for Rush’s business? A GOP controlled government or a Dem one?

Same goes for Jon Stewart or Colbert who would not have existed today if it wasn’t for eight years of Bush. They’re smaller in scale and audience but the general rule applies: To partisan pundits a divided government is best, even better when their side is the disadvantaged side.

Keep thinking Rush has your best interests in mind.

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM

We learned Democracy and Freedom are NOT mutually exclusive.

FlaMurph on November 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM

They are – see: Egypt, Libya, Venezuela, Russia, Argentina, to name just a few.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I agree we (GOP) have to start getting our message out to other demographics for sure..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

hahaha. I wonder why the English drive on the wrong side of the road.

Maybe its because their steering wheels are on the wrong side of the car.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM

The GOPe (Rove, Jeb, etc) is saying that all we need to do is pass amnesty and Voila!, Republicans will have Hispanics!

Really?

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man, who legalised millions of Hispanics, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

Amnesty is not the panacea that the establishment would like for you to believe. Education is, along with the denouncement of people, who use terms like “wetb@ck.” As a naturalised American, I support immigration and know that people come to this country for a better life. We must show them that there is a better way than food stamps and welfare, which are no more than indentured servitude (you remain on the government plantation in perpetual poverty and vote for us, but we’ll make sure that you have “free” food and healthcare. Of course, you’ll never be able to really be a part of the American dream because you are just vote slaves). We must show them that their children and grandchildren will live a life of poverty that will rival that which they escaped because of the incredible debt run up by irresponsible politicians and unsustainable entitlement programmes.

Finally, we must actively encourage immigration from former Soviet Bloc countries. There are highly-educated people, who love the free market and have an aversion to socialism and centralised government. The US severely limits the numbers of visas issued to these people. We need brains, not drains. Sorry, but we just cannot afford it.

As Milton Friedman famously said, “you can have open borders/lax immigration enforcement or a welfare state, but you cannot have both.”

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM

lester is mad. He might jump.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 AM

*sigh*

Ready! Set! . . . Jump!

Stop jumping, people.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Dave told me he was going away for a while..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Aw man, just like everyone that owes Dire money and can’t pay the interest. :)

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 AM

This. Even if Romney had pulled off a squeaker(since a landslide obviously was never in the cards), he would’ve been saddled with a Democrat Senate. So Obamacare would’ve likely been fully implemented as scheduled. Tax reform would’ve been an impossibility. Energy policy would’ve been crafted only so far as executive orders would’ve allowed it. Hell, even passing a budget would’ve been a Herculean task.

And in the end, no matter what a President Romney would’ve accomplished legislatively, he would’ve been to blame for the almost inevitable economic downturn that’s coming in 2013. As this is seemingly unavoidable, why not let Obama and the Democrat Party own it completely?

Now we still have to cope with the possibility of up to 3 new Supreme Court justices appointed by Obama, so let’s pray for the continued health of Scalia and Kennedy, but otherwise it does seem like we may be best served by having the architect of this pending economic disaster be the one at the helm when the Titanic hits the iceberg.

Doughboy on November 13, 2012 at 12:13 AM

That’s how I see it. And having an angry, fired up base looking for creative ways to bankrupt and defeat the Left is always fun, too!

Oh, and we have a much, much deeper bench going into 2016 with the possibility of padding our House majority in ’14 and maybe — just maybe! — taking back the Senate as well.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 AM

As Milton Friedman famously said, “you can have open borders/lax immigration enforcement or a welfare state, but you cannot have both.”

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Indeed, and you can always count on the Rs to be stupid. They call it the “stupid party” for a very good reason.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM

We drive on the proper side, ahem, everyone else is wrong! :-P

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Good for him! (Francis Cardinal George)

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM

I work near one of the other mosques. They come in to shop and won’t talk to anyone-because non-muslims are consider inferior and beneath them.. The women never smile.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Diane Dinesh — somewhat less evil, married, white woman par excellence — won 61% of the Hispanic vote over Susana Martinez’s 38% in 2010.

Once again something other than identity politics is keeping Hispanics (even with someone of Hispanic ethnicity on the ballot) from breaking overwhelmingly for the Republican. We need to find out what that something is.

Punchenko on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

They like socialism. They largely come from nations and cultures that are steeped in liberal-socialist policies and those are drifting more radically left by the year. Mexico has been socialist since 1910 and crossing the border doesn’t change that.

Certainly many of those who do come north will tend to be somewhat self selecting towards individualism, but most will adhere to their common culture. That isn’t helped by an educational system held by the American socialists which never exposes them to what the United States used to be and why it matters.

sharrukin on November 13, 2012 at 12:30 AM

The election results weren’t that far off, even in the swing states. Obama won this because all that that negative advertising in the swings worked, it worked to depress turnout by indies and some Rs who lost hope.

Plus, Romney (like McCain) didn’t go negative enough against Obama in the debates and in ads, so as to depress his turnout.

Elections in America have gone from inspiring your own voters to turn out to keeping your opponents from showing up. A sea change, but one that the Rs better understand sooner than later. Source.

TXUS on November 13, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Democracy and freeeedom? I’ve had my fill of democracy. It’s gonna lead to guns, soon. I never expected the later years of my life to be full of strife. But they will be. Marxism. Fascism, democracy. No wonder a Constitutional Republic was formed. Smart men got it.

Pretty sure time is drawing near, in my lifetime where bad things will happen. I have no children. But I pray for yours. how much money of thiers can we spend? And won’t our lenders wage war to get it back?

I fear the 100+ million of the last century will pale in comparison..

wolly4321 on November 13, 2012 at 12:32 AM

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 12:21 AM

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Si Se Puede. NOT.

I’ll give you prosperous Hispanics can go repub, but the majority will always bite on the stuff candidates. Again, Mitt was dead on with his riff on the 47%. They have been victimized……. by life…….and see Reps as the Rich gringo party as the source of their exploitation. You can’t get that vote – evah.

Barring a severe wipeout economic depression, that Boosh gets blamed for anyway, President Eye Candy connects with the huddled masses of Hispanics.

Hillary will do just as well- maybe a few points better

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Dave told me he was going away for a while..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Lolz. Many believe he was never here. I hope he comes back though.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:33 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

I know what you mean. They give off a creepy vibe too.

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Finally, we must actively encourage immigration from former Soviet Bloc countries.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Shaping up to be an historically significant missed opportunity, or basket of opportunities, that.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 AM

SparkPlug on November 13, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Dave is not here because he’s here.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:34 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Little story, watched a muslima all in black, in a panic in Walmart, she was scared to death, she couldn’t seem to find her husband…she tried so hard to avert her eyes, as she scanned the area for her hubby…

I kinda felt bad for her, cuz men were looking at her, and her eyes showed the terror she felt… soon as her family came on the scene, you could see her visibly take a deep breath, and she stood behind her hubby and head down, followed him out the store…

I bet she didn’t have a good evening that night…

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Aw man, just like everyone that owes Dire money and can’t pay the interest. :)

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:28 AM

LoLz..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Thanks Rush. Without you Sandra Fluke and her message would never have come to national stage. Her name might have only gotten a tiny mention in the Wikipedia article regarding congressional hearing. You changed all that. Without that history and the current sensitivity even Akin’s comments could have gone unnoticed. Maybe even the question would not have popped.

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Not very bright are you? Oh, wait, you’re a lib, that’s a given.

With or without Rush, Fluke would have been a cause celeb for as long as needed. She was just a prop the media was using starting with that faux “congressional hearing” press conference Nancy Pelosi had. The whole “Republican war on women” narrative was started way back in January or February when the media arm of the democrat party used Stephy Stephanopoulis to start it by asking Romney if he thought states had the right to ban contraceptives. Romney gave him the “where did that come from?” look because that had never been any part of any primary candidate’s campaign. It was the opening salvo where the democrats sought to tie contraceptives with the moral position of opposing abortion in the minds of low intelligence voters such as yourself lester. Over the course of the campaign, that narrative was pursued such that opposition to having other people pay for one’s contraceptives became part of the Republican war on women. Rush’s hyperbole made good headlines, but did not make a difference in the approach. The media would have supported the democrat narrative whether Rush had said anything or not.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:36 AM

The darndest thing is I’m listening to all this handwringing and most of it is coming from a lot of people who’ve never really been conservative or supported conservatism. These people hated our ideas and values when we were winning and now choose this opportunity to sell us out the way they’ve always wanted. The conservative herd is headed off a cliff led by a consultant class that would otherwise now be swimming in pools full of dollar bills like Scrooge McDuck….

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.

Erick is right.

Half the analyses of the election are wrong and many of those analyses have a definite conflict of interests.

Moderates never fight in the arena of conservative ideas, and so they lose. And then when they do lose, their immediate clamor is to pitch conservatives ideas overboard and go Dem Light.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Dave is not here because he’s here.

and then he had to do this.

Dave might be gone for a long time.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Yes, the conservative Canada, not the one Rywall was a claimed part of

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Schadenfreude:You Rang:)
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Texas of the North
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Hey, Republicans: Feeling like outcasts after Obama’s re-election? Come on up to Canada!
Nov 12 2012
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So Obama won himself another election, eh? Another four years of that guy and his warm and fuzzy rhetoric — it’s enough to throw any honest-to-goodness flag-waving patriot into a fit of dry heaves. I mean, what is a person who loves God and corporation supposed to do for the next one thousand four hundred and sixty days?
(More…)
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http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/11/12/texas_of_the_north

canopfor on November 13, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Poor woman.

Thank Hillary Clinton and so-called Feminists of the Left. They’re the ones who wage the war on women.

INC on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Hello Dave…

equanimous on November 13, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Corporal Tunnel on November 13, 2012 at 12:24 AM

More or less in agreement, I think some of the damage was self inflicted, but still. There is no doubt we’re still a national political force to be reckoned with. Not only do we still control the house, we control most state governments too. These aren’t signs of a failing party, they’re signs of a party that hasn’t figured out how to turn state level dominance into national level success.

I might also add, that I do not believe Obama has any intention of pivoting to the center. I thought he would after the mid-terms, he had plenty of opportunity for doing so, and would not have been criticized by his party at the time. Instead, Obama banked even harder to the left, and ran as a very partisan divisive candidate.

Simply put, Obama is a true believer, where as Clinton was ultimately in it for himself. He won’t pivot because to do so he’d have to admit to himself that he was wrong, and he’ll never do that.

I do however agree that the democratic party is likely to be in deep trouble in 2016. For two elections in a row now, Independents sided with conservatives, and had turnout been even a little better Obama would have lost soundly. That’s hardly the sign of a politician in a strong position.

In addition, Obama faces a number of challenges in his second term, challenges that he likely simply isn’t well equipped to handle.

For starters, another recession at this point is all but assured. It was likely even if Romney won, simply because of how dramatically the world economy is slowing in general. Throw on top of that, the certainty of Obamacare’s job killing regulations, and its becomes all but impossible for there not the be a recession.

Second, there is the typical second term problems. Senior staff leaving, and leaving things a mess. Old scandals finally coming to light, and then there’s the simple fact that after the mid terms Presidents are typically seen as lame ducks in their second term. Simply put, they’re too close to the election at that point to effectively legislate. Opposition members tend to put their heels down waiting for somebody more amicable to their positions, and even members of your own party tend to back away, out of fear that they’ll be associated with a candidate whom the electorate has tired of.

Basically, Obama has two years to accomplish anything before he’s a lame duck, and part of that time is going to be burnt up by organizing a new administration team. Between that, and having to deal with a heavily Republican house, and chances are by 2016 he’ll be seen as a largely ineffective President in his second term.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 12:42 AM

This reminds me of the stories about the CIA learning of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union from watching both CNN.

Like betrayed spouses, our Konfederacy of Klowns and Kakistocrats are always the last to know.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Wrong thread. Sorry.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 AM

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:36 AM

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That harlot Fluke stole Julia’s rightful place as the standard bearer for social justice.

FlaMurph on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 AM

The Republican Party will never out Democrat the Democrats. Conservatives will never out liberal Liberals. We should not try.
INC on November 13, 2012 at 12:38 AM

From JE Dyers blog today:

But we can rejoice – and I mean rejoice – that the side that won the 2012 election is the weaker side, because it offers no hope, no future, no prospect of the freedom to build and plan as humans are predisposed to: for the joy of hard work rewarded, for our families, for our communities, for prosperity, for posterity.

She is saying conservatives should stay the course.

AZgranny on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 AM

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Good point..Remember Cindy Sheehan..:(

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Thugs
Democracy and Freedom are mutually exclusive.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Who do you think will be better for Rush’s business? A GOP controlled government or a Dem one?

Same goes for Jon Stewart or Colbert who would not have existed today if it wasn’t for eight years of Bush. They’re smaller in scale and audience but the general rule applies: To partisan pundits a divided government is best, even better when their side is the disadvantaged side.

lester on November 13, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Wow, you must really feel the deep-seated need to demonstrate just how much intelligence you lack. Rush did fine during the Clinton and Bush years. He had no problem holding his audience when Bush was in office and also had both the House and Senate majorities. As long as there are stupid liberals (but I repeat myself), Rush will do fine. … and since there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of stupid in states like NY, NJ, MA, CA, or IL who send morons like Chuck U Schumer to Washington, Rush isn’t going to run out of material.

AZfederalist on November 13, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Yes, object to abortion. Yes, work to make it rare. But move on: Abortion is here to stay.

Let the states decide these issues. There is absolutely no reason that social issues should be dictated by the central government, which is the most distant and corruptible government and least responsive to The People. The wisdom of the founding fathers to limit the central government is timeless.

If some states want to ban abortion they should be allowed to without interference by the central government. My state might do the same some day, I’m not sure what the chances are, but in the meantime my state has legalized MJ and should have that right without fascist stormtroopers flying in from NY/DC and stomping all over my state.

It was wrong to force every state in the union legalize abortion in spite of the fact that the majority of people in many states consider it to be murder. That is not the American way. That decision has caused a lot of unnecessary strife and hatred in this country on both sides and has served no useful purpose. The central government has only served to divide the nation against itself.

The central government is the problem, the solution is to let the states decide!

By this way an increasingly divided America can move forward without resorting to civil war or tyranny.

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Most of the ‘black widows’(the ones so covered up that you can only see their eyes)attend the mosque near Tech-so I don’t get stuck dealing with them. We do get some who are more western-dressed(they wear jeans and modest shirts w/ their hijabs) who walk 10 feet behind their men.I sometimes cross myself in their presence and run my hands through my natural-curly hair. It send the message that as a FREE woman-I can do that. I also use Yiddish phrases/Jewish pronunciations…because hearing this ‘aryan’ looking woman with the cross hanging around her neck…using that JOOOO language, must confuse the HELL out of them. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

THIS is what we have to overcome, it’s pretty typical:

“America is in transition and the backwoods, tea-party, paramilitary racists are clearly in a state of flux. It’s a melting pot folks. In the future, you’ll have to learn the art of compromise and adaptability if you hope to survive. It’s not just your country anymore…it’s everyones.”

And this:

Teatards and their ilk are full of hate and prejudice. Even if these people created their own country with no blacks, gays, poor people, illegals, or atheists, they would still find people to hate.

This is not sarcasm, but the reality of the left…and it’s not like we haven’t seen plenty of it here on HA…

I leave you with that…

Good night all and God Bless us all, we need it…

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Men and women, whites and Hispanics, the young and the middle-aged: All of them want politicians to offer a practical agenda to create jobs, raise wages, and make health care and higher education more affordable.

The only thing government can do is make things worse. They have no practical solutions.

chemman on November 13, 2012 at 12:48 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Oh I am sure it does lol… you have a good night ALT!

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Good night all and God Bless us all, we need it…

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Night Scrump.

Axe on November 13, 2012 at 12:52 AM

FloatingRock on November 13, 2012 at 12:46 AM

You can chant, let the states decide, all you want, its not happening. Not only is it not happening, but even if you DID vote for it on a state by state level, it, would, PASS, in every state in the Union.

Let me put it to you this way. Among self described pro-life voters, which is roughly fifty percent of all Americans, only 10% support a total ban on all abortions. In other words, banning abortion outright is only support by five percent of Americans.

It’s, not, happening!

Roughly half of Americans enthusiastically agree that abortion should be limited and be made more rare, but there is no support for banning in on the state or federal level, PERIOD.

So stop obsessing already. The goal HAS to be to limit abortion. Until there’s more support there isn’t any realistic chance of doing anything else.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 AM

More thuggery ahead of Nov. 6, in OIHO.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2012 at 12:53 AM

night, scrumpet.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Meds are kickin’ in. I’m out too.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 13, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Scrumpy on November 13, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Enjoyed it..Later..:)

Dire Straits on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Got about 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2004. Texan Republicans typically get about 40% of the Hispanic vote in state races.

And what have we gotten every other election since they began keeping records? Let me give you a hint…not in the 40s, as has been posted here time and time again since last Wednesday.

xblade on November 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

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