Obama to Palestinians: Could you guys back off that UN request?; Abbas: No.

posted at 4:21 pm on November 12, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Last year, the United States promised to flat-out veto the Palestinians’ efforts to obtain a full recognition of statehood from the United Nations — but the point became moot, since the U.N. decided not to afford the Palestinians that chance anyway.

The United States and Israel have long maintained that the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to come through direct negotiations between the Palestinians and Israelis, but direct diplomatic talks have been on the fritz for about four years, and the open invitation has done nothing to put a damper on Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s bid to attain some measure of legitimacy through more theatrical, globalist channels.

Abbas is again going after recognition from the United Nations, this time for a slightly less ambitious upgrade from their current nonmember observer-entity status to a nonmember observer-state status, President Obama’s attempt at a friendly chat on Sunday night notwithstanding, via the AP:

A spokesman for the Palestinian president says the Palestinians will proceed with asking the U.N. General Assembly to recognize a Palestinian state, despite a personal call from President Barack Obama to abandon the bid. …

He said Obama “expresses his opposition to this step,” but Abbas replied he would carry on.

In Washington, the White House press office said that Obama “reiterated the United States’ opposition to unilateral efforts at the United Nations.”

Obama also “reaffirmed his commitment to Middle East peace and his strong support for direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians” for a peace accord, the White House said.

The U.S. and Israel are still looking out for a two-state solution, but this is apparently the way that Abbas and the Palestinians feel that their time is better spent — I remain mystified as to what it is he thinks he’s going to tangibly achieve with this. Meanwhile, the violence only continues, from Reuters:

Sporadic missile fire from the Gaza Strip hit southern Israel Monday for a fourth straight day, with Egypt trying to secure a truce and Israel warning it would toughen its response if the violence continued.

The Israeli military said Palestinian militants had fired 11 rockets through the morning, ending an overnight lull and adding to more than 110 launched in the preceding 72 hours. …

Six Palestinians have been killed by Israeli shells fired on Gaza, including four civilians, and 40 wounded. Eight Israelis have also been wounded in the cross-border attacks.


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Yeah, but Beck et. al. were wackos for saying things would heat up if O was re-elected. Hmm.

ChicagoJewishGuy on November 12, 2012 at 4:24 PM

First the gays, now the Palestinians AHAHAHA Who’s next?

stormridercx4 on November 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Genesis 12: 1-3.

kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Abbas doesn’t give a whit if this makes Obooba look like a moron.

What’s the point?

Everything Obooba does makes him look like a moron.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM

No. One. Cares. Israel gets wiped off the map? Who cares? No one.

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Genesis 12: 1-3. kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM

…has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:27 PM

One state. Israel and the Pals go back to Jordan where they belong!

ThePrez on November 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Abbas doesn’t give a whit if this makes Obooba look like a moron.

What’s the point?

Everything Obooba does makes him look like a moron.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM

No. It doesn’t. Everything he does makes him look heroic. YOU see him looking like a moron, and thus assume others do, too. They do not. The American voters LOVE him. He “cares about people like them.” He is a god. Do you understand that? Do you understand that the way you – the way WE – see him is not what more than half the voters in this country see? And they will never see it that way.

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I’m betting that Obama OKed the no response with Abbas before he even made the request. Everything is a wink and a nod with these guys.

tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 4:31 PM

I remain mystified as to what it is he thinks he’s going to tangibly achieve with this

Puleze Erika. The Arabs aren’t looking to “achieve” anything other than to continue their assault on Israel until whatever happens…happens! (Secret..they really don’t want a peaceful solution! Don’t let anybody else know!)

Deano1952 on November 12, 2012 at 4:32 PM

The Palestinians now dictate to the US.

Welcome to Obama’s AmeriKa.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:29 PM

I see your point, but what percentage of Obooba voters could name the head of the Palestinians? What percentage of them know that Benghazi is not an Italian car? How many of them ever heard of Fast and Furious (and I don’t mean the movie or the game). Nothing makes Obooba look like an idiot to them because they are wholly ignorant, for the most part, of what exactly he is doing to the US and the world.

Petreaus didn’t look like an adulterer until people found out what he was. Why? Because we didn’t know what we didn’t know. Your average Dem voter will never acquaint himself with “corpseman… electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket… breathalyzer… doctors make $30,000, $40,000, $5,000 for amputating your foot…”

So Obooba does look like a shallow, incompetent, inexperienced poseur moron to those who are paying attention. Those who aren’t paying attention vote for him.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:36 PM

They are Obama’s brothers.

Live with it, stupid free land.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Abbas can tell the difference between a strong horse and a weak one.

a capella on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:27 PM

And, why not?

kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Abbas can tell the difference between a strong horse and a weak one donkey.

a capella on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Who cares?

I care, our home cares. Alas, with bho being re-elected, the US was about the only country who would help Israel, but won’t now?

God be with you Israel. I have a feeling how this will pan out for you and the rest of the world. And it will not be a nice sight to see!
L

letget on November 12, 2012 at 4:40 PM

So Obooba does look like a shallow, incompetent, inexperienced poseur moron to those who are paying attention. Those who aren’t paying attention vote for him.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:36 PM

They’re paying attention, just not to the things you want them to. They’re paying attention to their wallets, to the government giveaways, to the class warfare, to the envy and the greed. And they now comprise more than 50% of voters, many more than that four years ahead. They’re paying attention, and they know who’s driving the gravy train.

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:27 PM And, why not?
kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Read Mt. 23:36, “Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.”

Then keep reading until you come to Mt: 24:34, “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” What comes between these two verses?

Rev. 1:1, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.

Rev. 22:7, Behold, I come quickly.

Dan. 12:4, But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end.

Rev. 22:10, And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM

letget on November 12, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I’m afraid you are right.

kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM

People who are hoodwinked are not paying attention.

They’re watching the pretty assistant while the magician prepares his next move.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

The American voters LOVE him

Then they will follow him where he ends up. Soon. Hint: it’s real warm there.

Dirty Creature on November 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM

I agree that signs are here. But, God said, when speaking to Abraham, concerning the land that he was giving him, “I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you.” The Israelis are God’s chosen people.

kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Kingsjester, here, don’t never say I never gave you nothing.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM

The Matthew verses don’t necessarily support your point because “generation” can and does often mean a race or group of people. And that definition fits in quite well contexually with those verses.

tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM

I agree that signs are here. But, God said, when speaking to Abraham, concerning the land that he was giving him, “I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you.” The Israelis are God’s chosen people. kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Really?

1 Peter 2:9, “But ye [Christians] are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people…” He’s quoting Exodus and applying it to the Church.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

It isn’t the State Department, it is the Skate Department.

Limerick on November 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Sorry, chief.

I don’t believe in Preterism. I don’t limit God.

kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

The Matthew verses don’t necessarily support your point because “generation” can and does often mean a race or group of people. And that definition fits in quite well contexually with those verses. tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 4:46 PM

It never ever never means race.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

A spokesman for the Palestinian president says the Palestinians will proceed with asking the U.N. General Assembly to recognize a Palestinian state, despite a personal call from President Barack Obama to abandon the bid. …

That’s what you get when you want to diminish American power, Dear Liar.

rbj on November 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The United States and Israel have long maintained that the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to come through direct negotiations between the Palestinians and Israelis,

but direct diplomatic talks have been on the fritz for about four years

,

Hmmm, four years, I seem to remember something that happened right around that time. An award of a Peace Prize to someone, but I can’t quite think of who.

Something keeps telling me that this must be George W. Bush’s fault, but I don’t remember him winning any prizes.

Lily on November 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Obama to Palestinians: Could you guys back off that UN request?
Abbas: Suck my ****, infidel!
Obama: I think we’ve got ourselves a deal…

Archivarix on November 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

There are two Abramaic covenants in Gen 12, one spiritual and one temporal. The spiritual applies to the church and the temporal to the Hebrews. Peter was referring to the spiritual covenant. So Kingsjester’s point still holds.

tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 4:53 PM

FWIW, the eyes of the world were on America last week. Everybody was waiting to make a move, from Abbas to Amahdinahjacket to the factory next door. Thinking that America will slide quietly into economic freefall like Iceland (or even Argentina), shake up the government a bit and move on, is ridiculous.

We’re too big to fail, to borrow a phrase, and too much depends on us. If (when) things get bad here, even if it’s “just” economic, the world will react swiftly and radically. What happened last week was about more than just California, Illinois, or Obamacare.

It is our duty to be ready; pray for Divine salvation, and simultaneously, prepare for the possibility of serious breakdown in our society and the world.

ChicagoJewishGuy on November 12, 2012 at 4:55 PM

Shocked….SHOCKED I tell ya.

BallisticBob on November 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Sorry, chief. I don’t believe in Preterism. I don’t limit God. kingsjester on November 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

A. That’s a non sequitur.

B. You don’t understand Him, is the problem bro.

Read that book I linked to. It’s only about 700 pages long.

Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

1 Corinthians 7:19, “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.”

Galatians 5:6, “For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.”

Poor theology got us into this mess.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM

It never ever never means race.
Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Greek word in question “genea” can most certainly mean a “race”. And Greek scholars have debated for centuries over whether its use in the Olivet discourse is refering to a “race” of people or the people then currently living.

tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM

The U.S. and Israel are still looking out for a two-state solution, but this is apparently the way that Abbas and the Palestinians feel that their time is better spent — I remain mystified as to what it is he thinks he’s going to tangibly achieve with this.

They get to join a number of international assemblies and it represents another step towards statehood. With limited membership they can more effectively use diplomacy to pressure Israel to be serious about negotiations and attempt to end the occupation.

lexhamfox on November 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM

No. One. Cares. Israel gets wiped off the map? Who cares? No one.

Rational Thought on November 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Your question should be why do Muslims hate a country that occupies less than 1% of the Middle East?

darwin on November 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Great, we have gone from supporting allies here to penile morphology. No wonder America stayed home last Tuesday.

Limerick on November 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM

There are two Abramaic covenants in Gen 12, one spiritual and one temporal. The spiritual applies to the church and the temporal to the Hebrews. Peter was referring to the spiritual covenant. So Kingsjester’s point still holds. tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 4:53 PM

That’s a novelty. No one ever heard of this crap until John Darby made it up, no actually he read The Hope of Israel by Mannassa ben Israel, then C.I. Scofield plagiarized him, and the rest of tragedy.

This view is completely absent from the Church’s theology until anabaptists introduced it in the 19th Century. It is evil because it’s wrong.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Akzed, Preterism has long been discredited. There is a lot in the Olivet Address that was not fulfilled in AD 70.

Paul deals with your heretical position on Israel. Israel has merely been set aside for a time, not replaced by the Church. I’ve read Chilton’s “The Days of Vengeance” and it’s a piece of trash. He engages in allegorical interpretation, a method that has led to all sorts of screwy doctrines being perpetrated on the Church. Preterism being one of them. Preterism actually rises to the level of Heresy because it denies explicit teaching of the word of God. Particularly in Old Testament Prophetic writings that deal with Israel and the throne of David.

Genesis 12 still applies my friend. There is utterly nothing in scripture that has ever changed that.

Quartermaster on November 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

You don’t know what you are talking about. The Greek word in question “genea” can most certainly mean a “race”. And Greek scholars have debated for centuries over whether its use in the Olivet discourse is refering to a “race” of people or the people then currently living. tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 5:00 PM

I gotta go. I’ll be back at 6:00. Meantime, gather up some NT interpretations of genea as nation.

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM

That’s a novelty. No one ever heard of this crap until John Darby made it up, no actually he read The Hope of Israel by Mannassa ben Israel, then C.I. Scofield plagiarized him, and the rest of tragedy.
This view is completely absent from the Church’s theology until anabaptists introduced it in the 19th Century. It is evil because it’s wrong.
Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Really? It’s classic covenant theology and Calvin speaks on it at length. It is quite distinct from dispensationalism which I am not referring to at all.

tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM

And then there’s Iran: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_US?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-12-04-01-20

Obama and his Islamist Bros.

Hey, MackDaddy, how does feel, to be on your own?

You’ve gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you’re gonna have to get used to it
You said you’d never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but know you realize
He’s not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

davidk on November 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM

davidk on November 12, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Dylan is Jewish, so it never made Psalms.

Limerick on November 12, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Mid East peace process is the perfect example of mud wrestling with a pig.

The jihadi’s like doing it. Actually obtaining peace would end all the fun.

BobMbx on November 12, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Obama:

“Tell me when your election is so I will know when you have more flexibility…”

CycloneCDB on November 12, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Eschatology. I’ve studied them All. They all make sense. Millenial: post-, pre-, a-.

I’ve decided I’m a PAN-millenialist. I believe it will all pan out.

Actually, the New Preterism makes the most sense. I lean that way now.

davidk on November 12, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Galatians 3:28

New International Version (NIV)

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Speaking of Christians, of course.

All you infidels are still infidels.

davidk on November 12, 2012 at 5:16 PM

The theory is that Abbas’s goal in going for some kind of state recognition is to be able to approach the International Court of Justice and demand Israel be tried for war crimes.

The fact that Abbas and the PA incite genocide by using funds from the West to pay salaries to Palestinian terrorists in Israel prisons, name stadiums after Palestinian murderers for children and the like does not seem to phase — probably because no one in the West (least of all Obama) makes an issue of it.

daledamos on November 12, 2012 at 5:16 PM

And he hasn’t just lost the goat herders: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-venezuela-obama-idUSBRE8A80XJ20121109

davidk on November 12, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Smart! Power! Activate!

Mitoch55 on November 12, 2012 at 5:23 PM

The history of this conflict has not changed from when Abbas first proposed his UN solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

The Schaef on November 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

MANDATE.

Chuck Schick on November 12, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Just wait until President Revenge finds out the Arabs aint too jiggy with all the Liberal anal-izin and miscegenation going on over here….. no, these towel heads are really old timey…….

FlaMurph on November 12, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Abbas can tell the difference between a strong horse and a weak one donkey jackass.

a capella on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Much better

john1schn on November 12, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Really? It’s classic covenant theology and Calvin speaks on it at length. It is quite distinct from dispensationalism which I am not referring to at all. tommyboy on November 12, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Where?

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM

The Traitor-in-chief is not only a Traitor to “his” country, but he’s also a WussBag! The muslims will continue to walk all over this coward, because they know he has the Testicles of a Female Microbe! If we ever have another President with some Cojones, then we’ll get some respect from the Islamo-Fascists. Until then, we are just another laughing stock, in the Middle East!
Fight the Obama Enemy media or Kiss the Constitution Goodbye: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 12, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Preterism actually rises to the level of Heresy because it denies explicit teaching of the word of God. Particularly in Old Testament Prophetic writings that deal with Israel and the throne of David.

That imagery was always understood to refer to Christ – until Scofield, Darby et al.

Genesis 12 still applies my friend. There is utterly nothing in scripture that has ever changed that. Quartermaster on November 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

1 Corinthians 7:19, “Circumcision is nothing”?

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Genesis 12 still applies my friend. There is utterly nothing in scripture that has ever changed that. Quartermaster on November 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Acts 3:25, “And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’” (Gen. 22:18.)

Does this mean that Judaism will spread throughout the earth, or Christianity?

Akzed on November 12, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Smart Power.

Resist We Much on November 12, 2012 at 7:31 PM