The coming California supermajority?

posted at 2:01 pm on November 11, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Tuesday was a good night for Democrats everywhere, and particularly in California — long gone are the good ol’ days when the state went reliably red in the presidential race. The Golden State has finally succeeded in bucking a heap of Republicans out of office, and, though votes are still being counted, it looks like it’s just about set to govern with the Democratic supermajority of its most progressive fantasies. From the AP:

The nation’s most populous state – home to 1 in 8 Americans – has entered a period of Democratic political control so far-reaching that the dwindling number of Republicans in the Legislature are in danger of becoming mere spectators at the statehouse.

Democrats hold the governorship and every other statewide office. They gained even more ground in Tuesday’s elections, picking up at least three congressional seats while votes continue to be counted in two other tight races – in one upset, Democrat Raul Ruiz, a Harvard-educated physician who mobilized a district’s growing swath of Hispanic voters, pushed out longtime Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack.

The party also secured a supermajority in one, and possibly both, chambers in the Legislature. …

California counted more registered Republicans in 1988 than it does today, although the population has grown by about 10 million over that time.

Yikes — that’s gotta’ feel like a “why bother?” for California Republicans. The state government is facing a whole mess of incoming problems: A budget crisis and state debt more than double that of any other, massive unfunded pension liabilities, growing university tuition costs, the worst S&P credit rating of any state, a double-digit unemployment rate… it’s not pretty.

And how, pray tell, might we suppose the liberals will attempt to deal with their glaring problems? The state already succeeded in passing a ‘temporary’ $6 billion tax hike as a ballot proposition on Tuesday, and here’s betting we’ll see more ‘solutions’ in that vein, via the WSJ:

The state has also borrowed $10 billion from Uncle Sam to pay for jobless benefits and $313 million this year from the state disability insurance trust fund for debt service on those federal loans. Democrats have proposed replenishing the state’s barren unemployment insurance trust fund by raising payroll taxes on employers. Expect that to happen now. …

With no GOP restraint, liberals can now raise taxes to pay for all this. They’ll probably start by repealing Proposition 13′s tax cap for commercial property. Democrats in the Assembly held hearings on the idea this spring. Then they’ll try to make it easier for cities to raise taxes.

The greens want an oil severance tax. Other Democrats want to extend the sales tax to services, supposedly in return for a lower rate, but don’t expect any “reform” to be revenue neutral. Look for huge union pay raises and higher pension benefits.

Well, this will certainly be quite the example of no-holds-barred liberal governance — if I lived in California, I would be seriously reconsidering my residence right about now.


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Democrats own the coming mess.

rbj on November 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM

A better question is how will Obama bailout the state, my bet, he waives certain mandates and requirements while also letting California use Federal money designed for specific projects in California as a way to buttress California’s General Fund.

rob verdi on November 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Time to curl up with a good book

What earthquakes can’t destroy, progressives will.

Drained Brain on November 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Next up: California asks Obama to bail it out.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Let them go to Hell or to Mexico, but I repeat myself.

Schadenfreude on November 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Other Democrats want to extend the sales tax to services, supposedly in return for a lower rate, but don’t expect any “reform” to be revenue neutral.

That’ll be fun to see how the Dem “trial lawyers” react to a tax on services. And watch doctors and accountants flee the state.

Wethal on November 11, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The state has also borrowed $10 billion from Uncle Sam to pay for jobless benefits and $313 million this year from the state disability insurance trust fund for debt service on those federal loans.

hehehehehehehe

Another $10 billion the rest of us will never see.

What do you think, libs, taking money from a disability fund to pay debt service. Fine job the Blue State Model is doing, fine indeed.

Bishop on November 11, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Conservatives should all just pack their bags and leave. The battle for CA is lost. We can use ex-CA conservatives as reinforcements in Red states.

If the Left wants to destroy CA I say get out of the way and let them. Just get out so you’re not taken down too.

Charlemagne on November 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Now that the GOP is unable to obstruct anything, we’re finally going to see some real progress in California.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I’d love to see records from moving companies, UHaul and Ryder as to how many contracts they write weekly on one-way drives out of California.

salem on November 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM

No more vacation dollars for California! It’s just a shame it had to happen in a state of such natural beauty. Democrats wreck everything they touch.

BettyRuth on November 11, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Democrats own the coming mess.

rbj on November 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM

The red states will be tapped to bail them out.

They know it, we know it, no way 0bama doesn’t bail them out.

Rebar on November 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM

The faster conservatives can leave the faster will be CA’s downward spiral. It will be fun to watch.

Can we find a way to fence the liberals and illegals in CA so they can’t screw up the rest of the country?

Charlemagne on November 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Let them own it.

p0s3r on November 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I’m really glad we’re raising taxes on the rich. We’re going to show the rest of the country how its done.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Other people’s money. It’s a wonderful thing.

Paul-Cincy on November 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM

I saw this coming fifteen years ago when I left for Utah. Move while you still can. They will be looking for ways to keep you captive and beholden to the People’s Republic of California. Why is it that earthquakes never show up when you actually need one?

trish333 on November 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Let it burn.. The Californians made their bed and must live with. The House must block any bailouts.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM

The ability to overcome all challenges will allow them to totally destroy that poor sick State at warp speed.

rplat on November 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM

California confuses my sometimes.

Republicans can’t even get 40% of the vote, yet this state rejected gay marriage twice, rejected legalizing marijuana, and rejected repealing the death penalty (this year), while other less blue states have done these things.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Glad my parents only sentenced me to a year there (though as a teen, it was the funnest place on earth!)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Hey there’s still some of us conservatives who still live in Cali. Lets not wish for the worst for us PLZ. I’m already scared shitless.

Praying for a recall election in the near future.

BJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM

We have cap and trade in this state, so that along with our new tax hikes should be great for our economy.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

I still think we ought to be putting California directly in our cross hairs. I mean, my thinking is that, sooner or later the state will collapse, at which point it should be well positioned for a re-alignment. So, if we began doing recruitment drives all over the state, registering voters that were growing upset with the current state of affairs, we’d be well positioned to take advantage of the states collapse when it finally happened.

I dunno, maybe I’m just being way too optimistic again.

WolvenOne on November 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

“Vote Aqui”

Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

California is past the slippery slope. We are now circling the debt drain. The politicians will claim that they don’t really want to enact a series of increasingly draconian taxes, fees, business regulations and fines but it will only be a ‘temporary’ thing until all those selfish businesses and taxpayers quit moving out of state.

It is going to iook like a reverse scene from ‘The Grapes of Wrath’ with carloads of ‘Cal Oakies’ going the other way.

I would leave tommorow if it were not for my kids and grandchildren being here. California died back during Governor Brown’s earlier term when he agreed to allow Public Unions. Since then we have become the Zombie State. Lookout, you other States, we don’t want your Brains but we sure are going to be coming after your tax dollars.

Uniblogger on November 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Yep, more people will be moving to Texas & Florida thanks to the Taxocrats! Keep it up and watch the population changes. You will know it’s over for Cali, when the most Leftist institution of the Hollyweirdo’s start running away from Cali. In the mean time the Dems will continue to commit fiscal suicide, so let them! When these intransigent children, figure out their policies are killing them, it will be too late!
Fight the Obama Enemy media or Kiss the Constitution Goodbye: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Illegal aliens don’t even have driver’s licenses in this state yet, that is utterly confusing for a state this blue with so many Latinos.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Oregon needs to build a border fence at it’s southern border. So does every state that borders California.

The Rats have to scatter somewhere.

portlandon on November 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM

I dunno, maybe I’m just being way too optimistic again.

WolvenOne on November 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Yes you are.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM

California confuses my sometimes.

Republicans can’t even get 40% of the vote, yet this state rejected gay marriage twice, rejected legalizing marijuana, and rejected repealing the death penalty (this year), while other less blue states have done these things.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM

The crazies are concentrated on the coast. The normal people live inland. Liberals have gerrymandering down to an art form with the help of the unions.

trish333 on November 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM

And the voice of reason will be…Jerry Brown – Governor Moonbeem Part Deux, the one who made PEUs so strong first time around. At least the important things like banning plastic bags and foie gras has been accomplished/.

Alibali on November 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Hey there’s still some of us conservatives who still live in Cali. Lets not wish for the worst for us PLZ. I’m already scared shitless.

Praying for a recall election in the near future.

BJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Sorry. I forget sometimes that some of you are still trapped. Run away before it’s too late.

trish333 on November 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Erika,

Our family did “reconsider” our residence and we decamped to AZ in July. We took our “evil” 1% income with us. Two things are sad though- 1) many of our friends who want to leave can’t because they are real estate locked or it would be too disruptive to their kids to do so AND 2) those a-hole CA politicians (but I state the obvious) made the high income surcharge retroactive so that when I do my taxes this year, they’ll be able to get their pound of flesh.

Personally I hope CA fails spectacularly so that people will have a clear example of what the future holds for America from progressive, statist governance.

powerpickle on November 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Fall back to defensive lines – let them try to take it…..

redguy on November 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM

And the voice of reason will be…Jerry Brown – Governor Moonbeem Part Deux, the one who made PEUs so strong first time around. At least the important things like banning plastic bags and foie gras has been accomplished/.

Don’t forget the ‘meatless-Mondays’. L.A. city council jumped right on it.

trish333 on November 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Eff California.

patriette on November 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

We have cap and trade in this state, so that along with our new tax hikes should be great for our economy.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Just wait until gas and energy prices rise! Talk about economic boom!

darwin on November 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Umm.. the bailout the states it needs to pass the House..m’kay. Hopefully even Boner says no to that and Ryan has had sufficient sulking time (which honey totally deserves) to lead the charge. Seriously, stirring up resentment against California and Illinois will help Ryan immensely in swing states in 2016. So I dare Brown to ask for a federal bailout.. Please do that. It’ll help Rs in the other 49 states.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Not to worry, when it all comes crashing down the will come to Congress for a bail out and those useless bastards will make the rest of us pay for it. America is so screwed its gone past ridiculous into the sublime.

clippermiami on November 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Let Californians die by their own stupidity.

I’ve lived in the “golden state” twice. The first time was the mid-eighties when the farce that they were progressive (in a positive way) was still running rampant. That their stupid ideas about education were forward-thinking- remember schools without walls? I was living in LA and was assured that I might not appreciate how super-wonderful California was now but would figure that out once I moved away. Still waiting for that moment nearly two and a half decades later.

The second time I lived in the “golden state” was just after the turn of the century. My Congress Critter was Santa Monica based and more concerned with federal funding for tattoo removal for gang members than the needs of taxpayers. I was subjected to the rolling blackouts that ultimately brought down Gray Davis. And all the immigration offices were re-named welcome centers and everybody turned a blind eye to the illegals living among us. I know this first-hand because there was an apartment complex on my way to work that it took two dedicated school busses to accomodate all the students from a twenty something complex.

From my understanding things have gotten progressively worse by their own stupid legislation. I don’t hate Californians but they are killing themselves by their own hand. Let them do it.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Hey there’s still some of us conservatives who still live in Cali. Lets not wish for the worst for us PLZ. I’m already scared shitless.

Praying for a recall election in the near future.

BJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Elections are so 20th century…..
Recall???
In Califailure????

Just run, as fast you can east……

redguy on November 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM

As California goes so will America. I remember how kids in High School would travel to California during the summer and bring back the latest fades for the new school year….it continues to this day.

Spinstra on November 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM

A preview of things to come nationwide. Gird your loins, as the VP would say.

SAZMD on November 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM

I’m guessing most people don’t know why this supermajority is so important. Californians passed a ballot initiative a long time ago that said a supermajority was required to raise taxes. This was an attempt to “starve the beast” a stratedy that has utterly failed in California and on the national stage. Now,at least, Californians can at least attempt to pay for all their spending. If Cali wants to be a big tax and spend state,I say let them.

red_herring on November 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Yee gads no!

The problem with California is that a lot of the not-so-dyed-in-the-wool libs are leaving and coming to Arizona. As a result, we’re having more and more Dems voted into office at the local and national level.

If you want to self-destruct, that’s fine – but don’t flee to other states and then start the whole process all over again.

Hill60 on November 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Not to worry, when it all comes crashing down they will come to Congress for a bail out and those useless bastards will make the rest of us pay for it. America is so screwed its gone past ridiculous into the sublime.

clippermiami on November 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

And Congress, still controlled by the GOP with all those blue states, should tell them to go to hell. Why would be bail out a worthless state like California? Screw them and let them wallow in the mess of their own making! Gauranteed that I’m not alone in that sentiment.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:25 PM

New York State will take a back seat to California in the race for liberal progressive lunacy—the race to the bottom.

Welcome to Cali-Mexi-Popadopulus…….

Rovin on November 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The problem is they will expect fuscally responsible states to bail them out and they will move to those states and start turning them blue too. Just look at the Northeasterners that went to Fla for lower taxes and have now turned it blue. Hollywood has already stoppedmaking movies in California due to the expense. Anither reason theyre all hypocrites.

ldbgcoleman on November 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

No Bailout!

William Eaton on November 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

powerpickle on November 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Welcome to AZ!!

Just be sure that you and your friends leave any leftist tendencies in California! :)

Hill60 on November 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

I’m inland in Riverside county, Bush won by about 16%, Obama won in 2008 by 3%, Romney won this year by 1%…

San Bernardino county used to be reliable GOP, but that flipped in 2008 and stayed blue. San Diego county flipped in 2008 and stayed blue too, so it looks or feels like we’re getting bluer.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

The problem with California is that a lot of the not-so-dyed-in-the-wool libs are leaving and coming to Arizona. As a result, we’re having more and more Dems voted into office at the local and national level.

If you want to self-destruct, that’s fine – but don’t flee to other states and then start the whole process all over again.

Hill60 on November 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I’ve got cousins that left California and ended up in Prescott. They are such ardent commies that we cannot talk politics at family gatherings. Best advice I ever heard was the Oregon politician that declared “Just give them the damn water- otherwise they’ll move here.” California is a cancer on this nation.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Sorry for the typos Im so danged upset about everything tgats happening.

ldbgcoleman on November 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Congress should just let Cali burn, either through our GOP House or by filibuster in the Senate. No bailouts for California. Whatever it takes. People need to learn.

SAZMD on November 11, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Let it burn.. Off the cliff. Off the cliff I say.

Illinidiva on November 11, 2012 at 2:29 PM

San Bernardino county used to be reliable GOP, but that flipped in 2008 and stayed blue. San Diego county flipped in 2008 and stayed blue too, so it looks or feels like we’re getting bluer.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Ironic since turning blue means that you really are turning red. If you know what I mean. I want them to reverse the color designations to more accurately reflect what the Dem Party stands for and where the GOP’s principles lie.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Just another reason why Tuesday was so critical… JEF will bail them out, the PEU’s will keep all their ill-gotten gains…

Tuesday’s coup was bloodless, and the cost will be massive

phreshone on November 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Next up: California asks Obama to bail it out.

What I came in to say.

The backlash would be fun.

Moesart on November 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM

The faster conservatives can leave the faster will be CA’s downward spiral. It will be fun to watch.

Can we find a way to fence the liberals and illegals in CA so they can’t screw up the rest of the country?

Charlemagne on November 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM

That’s just it, how soon do the parasites abandon Kalifornia and bring their disastrous agenda with them to other States?

Kalifornia is about to become Detroit on a State sized level and while I pity any conservatives who have the misfortune of living there, I have to say the people of that State deserve it in a general sense.

Yakko77 on November 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM

Sorry for the typos Im so danged upset about everything tgats happening.

ldbgcoleman on November 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM

You are not alone. I’m thinking of skipping a family gathering at Thanksgiving. Too many effing commies in my family for me to keep a civil tongue in my parent’s home.

I’m beginning to understand what mainstream Americans felt like in the late 1960s. They saw their America dying and they were powerless to stop the insanity.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM

The red states will be tapped to bail them out.

They know it, we know it, no way 0bama doesn’t bail them out.

Rebar on November 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM

It won’t cost us anything, Bernanke will just print that money!

slickwillie2001 on November 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM

…if I lived in California, I would be seriously reconsidering my residence right about now.

Believe me, when Momma retires, we’re outta here!

Of course Moonbeam says that he’ll put a stop to a Democratic super-majority running roughshod and raising taxes.

Sure he will.

Jerry is going to get his “legacy” and it won’t be a ‘bullet train’. He’ll be the first governor to preside over a state having to declare bankruptcy.

GarandFan on November 11, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Erika,

Our family did “reconsider” our residence and we decamped to AZ in July. We took our “evil” 1% income with us. Two things are sad though- 1) many of our friends who want to leave can’t because they are real estate locked or it would be too disruptive to their kids to do so AND 2) those a-hole CA politicians (but I state the obvious) made the high income surcharge retroactive so that when I do my taxes this year, they’ll be able to get their pound of flesh.

Personally I hope CA fails spectacularly so that people will have a clear example of what the future holds for America from progressive, statist governance.

powerpickle on November 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I have good news for you power pickle:

I left Cali 8 years ago to Phoenix, AZ and AZ requires you to pay AZ state tax of 1.4% on $120,000 in income with a max of 4% state income tax. The great news is Calif reimburses you for all but 1% of your Cali state tax IF you lived in AZ over half the year. I lived in AZ and worked in Calif and still paid AZ state tax. You do have to complete AZ state and Calif state taxes and in that order, so Calif recognizes you paid AZ state taxes while getting a hefty Calif state tax return.

Welcome to AZ where common sense still survives.

dthorny on November 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Diversity…it’s a helluva drug.

Dack Thrombosis on November 11, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Yep, more people will be moving to Texas & Florida thanks to the Taxocrats!

There’s no doubt that California has a large number of problems, from high taxes subsidizing over-generous welfare benefits and social programs to states unions that fleece the budget every year.

But not many people recognize another huge difference between Texas, Florida, and California- a difference that’s even greater when you compare CA to southern red states: California gets sucked dry by the federal government. California contributes more in taxes to the country than any other state yet receives FEWER federal dollars than EVERY red state in the nation.

If California received just another 10 cents back per dollar of federal taxes collected, the state would have a massive, unprecedented budget surplus.
So you can point to a host of issues within California, but keep in mind that the state pays a pound in flesh every to subsidize federal spending in red states.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftaxfoundation.org%2Fsites%2Ftaxfoundation.org%2Ffiles%2Fdocs%2Ffedspend_per_taxesbystate-20071009.xls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Don’t forget about our $100 Billion high speed train that doesn’t go anywhere except through the last farm lands that still have water…

… I’m not sure exactly how bad it will have to get to change things in this state.

Maybe when all the illegals realize that it is better back home than it is here…

… That should be a hoot!

I give us two years…

Seven Percent Solution on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Democrats own the coming mess.

Actually they will own the mess but they will blame someone else for it. I had a discussion a while back with a liberal, they blamed debt and high unemployment on greedy corporations and outsourcing.

Liberalism has taken hold. California and the United States are doomed.

maddmatt on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

You are not alone. I’m thinking of skipping a family gathering at Thanksgiving. Too many effing commies in my family for me to keep a civil tongue in my parent’s home.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM

You and me both…

Yakko77 on November 11, 2012 at 2:41 PM

California contributes more in taxes to the country than any other state yet receives FEWER federal dollars than EVERY red state in the nation.

Correction- receives fewer federal dollars per dollars in federal taxes collected.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:41 PM

The real problem is that these jackasses will move to Texas and turn it blue not realizing that is the reason California is jacked up.

nazarioj001 on November 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Yee gads no!

The problem with California is that a lot of the not-so-dyed-in-the-wool libs are leaving and coming to Arizona. As a result, we’re having more and more Dems voted into office at the local and national level.

If you want to self-destruct, that’s fine – but don’t flee to other states and then start the whole process all over again.

Hill60 on November 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM

It’s cognitive dissonance in action. They flee the results of their dogmas, but insist on imposing them in their new homelands, on the grounds that they are Perfectly Good and Perfectly Right.

When they’ve wrecked Arizona, they’ll move on. Convinced that (1) the next state they move to will not “fail them”, and (2) that the present inhabitants of same are unenlightened peasants who need the guidance of the “enlightened intellectuals” to make a “more just society”.

You are dealing with a philosophy that is at one aggressively missionary, and simultaneously entirely incapable of honest self-examination, no matter how many “self-criticism” sessions they sat in on in college.

It’s bad enough that we have a socialist/anti-civilization Inquisition in Washington. We also are contending with a progressive/primitivist version of the Taiping Rebellion in California. Determined to impose its version of “Heavenly Peace” on the rest of the country.

Just without the pitchforks, this time.

Maybe.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Born and raised in Cali – must say I miss it dearly at times. The climate and the scenery, that is. THAT is why people stay. You cannot beat the dry temperate seasons and God’s splendor that just begs you to play outside! (Abiding in the lovely but HUMID South now.)

Last time we road tripped out there to visit the fam, we followed a U-Haul out I-10 eastbound which had written across the back “Another over-taxed, fed up Californian – leaving for good!”

Ya know, Arizona is lovely this time of year…

outwestdownsouth on November 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Welcome to AZ where common sense still survives.

dthorny on November 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM

And the state receives $1.19 in federal spending for every dollar in federal tax dollars collected within Arizona, amounting to a significant federal subsidy.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM

The real question is will California divorce itself from us,and become part of Mexico or it’s own Hispanic North American country, or if we divorce them first.

Rockshine on November 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM

“Super Majority ” = just another way to say ” TOO BIG TO FAIL”

FlaMurph on November 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM

California tax on a gallon of gasoline is 68 cents per gallon. Cali knows high taxes and excess spending.

dthorny on November 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM

California gets sucked dry by the federal government.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

No it doesn’t. Private citizens get sucked dry by the federal government. California gets it’s money from state taxes, fees and licenses. What federal dollars are taken out has nothing to do with the state.

darwin on November 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Ironic that redistribution hurts CA.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I lived in California in the early 1950′s, late 1950′s and Apr 1975-Nov 1981. In addition I was stationed and/or home ported various places in California in the 1960′s. I liked 1950′s San Diego. My wife, our two daughters and I were evacuated from Sai Gon, the plane landed at Travis and California seemed a lot better place for a then ex American GI to be than post conquest Viet Nam. My mother was also living there and she and her husband helped us get started.

In 1980 I took my family back to visit and my home town in Texas. We got back to California and my wife told me that we were moving to Texas. It took about a year to unload our investments(real estate) and we moved. The writing was definitely on the wall by 1980. Anyone still there is a slow learner.

Linh_My on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

When things will get really interesting is when Californicate begs for a bail-out from the rest of us.

WannabeAnglican on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

bayam coprophagia by any other name.

tom daschle concerned on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

You are dealing with a philosophy that is at one aggressively missionary, and simultaneously entirely incapable of honest self-examination, no matter how many “self-criticism” sessions they sat in on in college.

Yeah, those self-criticism sessions, you will note, never involve examining doctrine. It’s always about how YOU aren’t living up to it in some way.

Dack Thrombosis on November 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Erika,
It was not a good night for Democrats everywhere as they were soundly beaten in Tennessee where Republicans won super majorities in both chambers of the legislature. Tennessee also has a good business climate and no state income tax. California escapees are welcome, just leave those liberal ways behind!

devan95 on November 11, 2012 at 2:48 PM

California tax on a gallon of gasoline is 68 cents per gallon. Cali knows high taxes and excess spending.

Welcome to AZ where common sense still survives.

dthorny on November 11, 2012 at 2:38 PM

And the state receives $1.19 in federal spending for every dollar in federal tax dollars collected within Arizona, amounting to a significant federal subsidy.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Where DO these revenues come from? Spending in the state, not from the federal gov’t.

dthorny on November 11, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Hey there’s still some of us conservatives who still live in Cali. Lets not wish for the worst for us PLZ. I’m already scared shitless.

Praying for a recall election in the near future.

BJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM

I feel your pain. I have a family member in CA who cannot move. Makes beaucoup bucks but is 3 checks from bankruptcy. To move will mean loss of assets, foreclosure, and probably divorce. Honestly loves the beautiful land underneath his feet. If he has to leave it may break him. Yet if he stays, the regime will crush him.

Kinda makes me think of early nazi Germany, when so many Jews had no choice but to pray it could not get worse, and could who not give up everything they worked for, their country, families, and way of life.

It is all coalescing like a giant tsunami across the ocean. If California breaks, I would be willing to sponsor refugees, nazis excepted

Imagine how many are being driven from their homes, by outsiders and barbarians led by corrupt politicians.

entagor on November 11, 2012 at 2:49 PM

The writing was definitely on the wall by 1980. Anyone still there is a slow learner.

Linh_My on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

I agree completely but I also would suggest that it isn’t so simple. I was on a tour in Europe this summer where I met a lovely couple about my age from the L.A. area. They were even more conservative than me. BUT, as much as the husband hated California, the wife was unprepared to leave her family behind. They both worked for a defense contractor so I suspect they will soon be unemployed and that may change the dynamics.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM

yup, we hate the racist, homophobic GOP here, they are irrelevant.

same way they are becoming in national elections…..

DBear on November 11, 2012 at 2:51 PM

California gets sucked dry by the federal government.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM

No it doesn’t. Private citizens get sucked dry by the federal government. California gets it’s money from state taxes, fees and licenses. What federal dollars are taken out has nothing to do with the state.

darwin on November 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM

You don’t understand the significance of that measurement- those federal dollars going back to the state subsidize state programs at the local level (less spending required by the state) or are invested in other forms of state spending that in turn generate more economic activity and state tax revenue.

Ironic that redistribution hurts CA.

El_Terrible on November 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Ha ha true, but it also reflects how the Senate transfers power from the big states to smaller ones. Texas also receives fewer dollars in fed spending per dollars paid in taxes.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:52 PM

DBear

can’t wait till you twaggots starve. doing all I can to make sure it happens

tom daschle concerned on November 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM

My childhood friend is an LA teacher. Exceedingly bright lady, law school graduate who teaches in a complicated environment — students from multiple household language backgrounds. Her husband is a conservative; she’s a liberal.

They seem financially successful, but I sincerely doubt she will collect her pension. Probably 5 years from retirement or more … I doubt there will be anything left of California’s pension system.

Jaibones on November 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Hey there’s still some of us conservatives who still live in Cali. Lets not wish for the worst for us PLZ. I’m already scared shitless.

BJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM

No doubt but the state really only listens to L.A. and S.F. I’ve lived there, I know the frustration with the legislature more concerned about soda machines in schools than with all the illegals blatantly mooching off the tax base. But, you know what, innocent people went down with the Titanic too. I’m not wishing you the worst but I’m also unwilling to sink billions of taxpayer dollars into propping up your worthless state government either.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Only one of the 48 contiguous I’ve never touched.

If anything West of I-5 and anything East of I-95 could be put under water, bye bye liberals.

And I’d have oceanfront property.

Lanceman on November 11, 2012 at 2:54 PM

California confuses my sometimes.

Republicans can’t even get 40% of the vote, yet this state rejected gay marriage twice, rejected legalizing marijuana, and rejected repealing the death penalty (this year), while other less blue states have done these things.

Absolutely not confusing if you understand the state and it’s politics. The GOP establishment in this state abandoned any pretense to fiscal conservativism years ago and went all in on the anti-abortion social conservative train.

the problem was that social conservatism doesn’t play in the state, and the GOP effectively abandoned LA as well as the SF Bay Area in order to keep pushing abortion. By the time people realized that the party was suffering from severe rectal-cranial inversion the situation was far past redemption.

The GOP in this state will likely never recover, or at least not until the state defaults on its welfare and pension payments. IF the GOP wants to take the state back the national GOP has to block any and all attempts to bailout the state or to otherwise natoinalize the state’s debt. As long as the GOP has control of the House, this is possible.

mvargus on November 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Oh, the undocumented will now be documented, too! They will get drivers’ licenses, which will then make them virtual citizens, as they can get other docs with that.

And the first page on the online app for food stamps is a redirect to the voter registration page. Pretty smart–they are building their dependent majority. Those Dems are always planning ahead. Why aren’t we?

PattyJ on November 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM

You don’t understand the significance of that measurement- those federal dollars going back to the state subsidize state programs at the local level (less spending required by the state) or are invested in other forms of state spending that in turn generate more economic activity and state tax revenue.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 2:52 PM

All that measurement means is California has a lot of wealthy people and major businesses. That’s all it means. If it didn’t have Hollywood there and other entertainment entities that figure would be much lower.

State spending has nothing to do with how much private citizens are taxed.

darwin on November 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM

Yee gads no!

The problem with California is that a lot of the not-so-dyed-in-the-wool libs are leaving and coming to Arizona. As a result, we’re having more and more Dems voted into office at the local and national level.

If you want to self-destruct, that’s fine – but don’t flee to other states and then start the whole process all over again.

Hill60 on November 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Locusts will do what liberals will do.

Steve Eggleston on November 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM

The Golden State has finally succeeded in bucking a heap of Republicans out of office, and, though votes are still being counted, it looks like it’s just about set to govern with the Democratic supermajority of its most progressive fantasies.

Great.

Republicans are simply not convincing the American people about economic realities. But, going after public employees, unions, and protecting the uber-wealthy and major banks is not helping the GOP’s brand. People increasingly don’t want to hear it and are rejecting principles of self-reliance and free market values.

On the other hand, much of this is because of Dem interference in economic matters, and the firm entrenchment of the entitlement masses they have been bringing about for decades…there again, with the GOP’s help in many instances. So, it is difficult to create and sustain environments in the various states where Conservative principles can actually work.

The GOP is increasingly setting itself up as being the party of the very rich and against the People. Hell, the GOP also seems to be against the TEA Party, so I don’t know if we can expect anything other than what we’re seeing.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Tennessee also has a good business climate and no state income tax. California escapees are welcome, just leave those liberal ways behind!

Federal dollars received per dollar in taxes paid
Tennessee: $1.27
California: $.78

Give California another 30 cents of federal spending per dollar of fed taxes paid and then you’ll wonder at its economic might and balanced budget.
When you consider California’s huge illegal immigrant population, and the incredible costs associated with it, the consequences of this imbalance become more clear.

Kinda makes me think of early nazi Germany, when so many Jews had no choice but to pray it could not get worse, and could who not give up everything they worked for, their country, families, and way of life.

That’s both small-minded and offensive- over 70% of Jews vote Democrat in the last election. Los Angeles has one of the greatest concentrations of Jews in the country.

bayam on November 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Democrats own the coming mess
rbj on November 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM

They’ve owned the mess for years now. I don’t see it changing.

So what do you get when Democrats run a government into the ground?

A Democrat super majority of course!

tom on November 11, 2012 at 3:01 PM

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