And keep in mind prior to my reply he said

People like nathor, bradky and some others are just as much of a part of the problem as your average fool on the street who believes a President can eliminate abortion, or that Mormonism is a dangerous cult.

I’ll be civil with people who are civil in return but I’m not going to take face shots without returning them.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t read the opening comments from him or I.

Bradky on November 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Totally uncalled for, have you never made an error in keying?

When you’re trying to persuade other people to your side you need to treat them with the utmost respect, you don’t go around making sarcastic jokes and expect them to “get” it.

tkyang99 on November 11, 2012 at 3:07 AM

That must be why the paulbots and truecons insult and demean anyone who disagrees with them, and call them communists, etc.

Bradky on November 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM

You really are quite the supercilious little prig and pretentious azzhole, aren’t you?
But then, that’s normal for leftoid drones.

Lanceman on November 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Look like you are the ignoramus. Big difference between a typo and not even recognizing you are quoting the wrong person. (hazards of people who see something on the internet and immediately ascribe truth to source and legitimacy IF it is something they agree with)
Go back to school and ponder over the meaning of critical thinking skills. Or stick to anonymous internet postings and carry the self delusion to greater heights….

Bradky on November 11, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I know who the guy is, dumbass. Watching television and typing sometimes are incompatible, you goddamned a$$hole. But then, you are HA’s original troll.

You’re like any number of punks here and elsewhere who catch a typo and somehow that’s supposed to negate the whole post.

And ‘bondage’ in that context, does not mean what you think I think it means. Diminished quality of life, lower standard of living, anything that makes my freedom to maintain is a type of bondage.

But then, you always were a pretentious piece of crap.

First, full blown amnesty may not be inevitable, but some sort of path to legal residence is. According to the exit polls, a full 60% of Americans support a path to citizenship. It’s hard to see how you keep something from happening when sixty percent of Americans want it. So some form of amnesty is inevitable, if people on our side get ahead of the issue however, its possible it could be enacted on terms equitable to our concerns.

For example, a phased in amnesty might be workable. Just, an example.

Second, the insistence that we’ll never ever ever ever EVER be able to win Hispanics, is in essence admission that we are done as a political party. If Hispanics continue to vote for democrats at 70% margins, then its only a matter of time before its mathematically impossible for Republicans to win elections. Yes, Hispanic immigration has slowed dramatically with the economy tanking, but the population is still growing at a faster rate than Caucasians and becoming more politically active.

The thing is however, we “can,” win Hispanic votes. Texas politicians regularly manage to get 40% of the Hispanic vote, even in recent years after the immigration reform debate. They’ve done this by continually reaching out the to the community for over a decade, giving them little things that they want, and by running Hispanic candidates in various races, a most recent example being Ted Cruz.

Additionally, something we have to keep in mind, is that a large part of our difficulty with Hispanic voters, is due to the simple fact that they are predominantly lower income. Our party has always had problem with lower income voters, so Hispanics are not in any way unique in this respect. Eventually, the Hispanic population in the united states will trend towards the middle class, if we start courting them now, then when that happens its easy to see them becoming a swing demographic, which our country desperately needs right now.

The way I see it, if we start now, then it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect to take 40% of the Hispanic vote by 2012, and to re-establish our advantage among Cuban Americans, which would put Florida back into our column for Presidential elections. 40% is a figure we’ve managed to hit before, not even that long ago in fact.

The difference, I think, is that we first have to stop spitting on the idea of winning Hispanic voters. I wish we had another 3-4 election cycles to address the problem too, but we don’t, the issue faces us now.

Also, once again, I want to reiterate. While some path to citizenship is likely inevitable, that doesn’t mean I’m on board with amnesty, or at least blanket amnesty. The issues must be addressed in some manner before it can be seriously considered.

Finally, if we do figure out some way to deal with these issues, then we should allow Marko Rubio to be the one to introduce the legislation, and get his name on it. At this point, he’s the most likely 2016 nominee, so if this is going to happen then we should squeeze it for all its worth.

Again though, big if.

Lanceman on November 11, 2012 at 10:36 AM

You make me laugh every time with your overblown drama. Bondage? really. Try getting the name right at least. Tytler not Tyler, and then you may want to do a little fact checking on who said your quotation.

The famous Fatal Sequence quotation, sometimes known as the Tytler cycle, is

“The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.”

Its earliest confirmed use is by Henning Webb Prentis, Jr., President of the Armstrong Cork Company. It was during a speech entitled “Industrial Management in a Republic,” delivered in the grand ballroom of the Waldorf Astoria at New York during the 250th meeting of the National Conference Board on March 18, 1943.

Prentis did not use the “fatal sequence” quotation in conjunction with the “why democracies fail” quotation. But they have later published together and both attributed to Tytler, as in the queries column of American Notes & Queries in April 1979. Nobody can find any work by Tytler with the Fatal Sequence quotation, and it appears to be original to Prentis.[14]

Hate to say it, kinda like not wanting to really really see whats’ what…

When reality hits it’s a M’Fer…

America picked this SOS over morality…

There is truism and truth, and then there is this, “There are none so blind as do not see.”

I think as a whole even amongst ourselves as professing Conservatives, we are almost as divided as any group could be.

Can we even come together?

Not from what I have read here over the past few years…

We have to overcome ourselves first…

I have too much in my head to get it all down.

Maybe I should just keep quiet too… :-)

Lanceman on November 11, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I’d say we are at number seven careening full speed to number eight.

John Courtney Murray, perhaps the leading Catholic political theorist of the last century, wrote that it is quite impossible for a society to operate “without some spiritual bond of unity,” without “some concept of a doctrine that is sacred.”

workingclass artist on November 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Well, duh. I forget who said it, maybe Franklin, maybe Madison -

The Constitution only works with a just and moral people. It is completely unsuited for any other.

People like nathor, bradky and some others are just as much of a part of the problem as your average fool on the street who believes a President can eliminate abortion, or that Mormonism is a dangerous cult.

I am hardly what one would consider a Christian in the traditional sense. I favor abortion, oppose gay marriage, oppose drug legalization (decriminalization, OK).

But I do know basic truism such as John Murray has here.

Whatever is happening to America is inevitable, and, barring some great spiritual awakening, unstoppable.

You cannot convince the nathors, the bradkys, the boomer_sooners or the rest of these clowns that social liberalism is no different than fiscal liberalism. They both cost money. Hence we are doomed to eventual slavery.

Just to recap Mr Tyler:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage ”

This is crazy. Every time I come here, or click open a news site, I see another headline to some article claiming that Romney and the GOP lost some big demographic of voters, mostly I keep seeing how they lost the women’s vote and the young vote. Bull&*^%. He lost the non-white vote, that’s it, nothing else, and he lost it BIG, period. When the non-white vote is taken out Romney won in all other demographics, he won the 18-29 year olds and every other age group, and YES, take out the non-white vote and he won amongst women voters by 14 percentage points, a margin we normally consider a landslide.

redhead on November 11, 2012 at 10:20 AM

But blacks aren’t being racist when they vote for Obama.

They chose to become criminals.

Acorn has a long history of criminal behavior.

Obama has written about his criminal drug use.

With the Democratic Party embracing criminals, are we surprised that they commit widespread election fraud-140% turnout- to win elections? Things like drug use, or being an illegal alien or committing voter registration fraud or election fraud aren’t “crime” crimes. They’re a necessary means to immpose their views, which of course are the correct views, on those of us too stupid to understand their brilliance.

The media no longer has any interest in printing truth or facts. They printed lie after lie during this election cycle. They have shown no interest in determining why hundreds of Mexicans were killed in Fast and Furious or why an American ambassador was killed. The media are now almost purely a voice for the Democratic Party, a Party which clearly favors criminal behavior.

Even with the change in demographics to favoring single motherhood, and distance from religion, it’s more likely the takeover of a new form of organized crime-the Democratic Party with its widespread endorsement of multiple forms of criminal behavior and total control of the media machine which is changing the country.

nathor on November 11, 2012 at 8:12 AM

…morning!…and fluke you!

The only two words I have this Sunday morning– Jesus weeps.

hillsoftx on November 11, 2012 at 8:06 AM

Christian Valor Amidst Pagan Persecution

“Much like our own woeful Republic, the Roman Empire in late antiquity suffered from moral exhaustion and was beginning to show signs of its eventual collapse. Amidst that decay, St. Martin of Tours (c.336-397) embodied the Christian valor necessary to sustain and rebuild authentic Christian culture….”

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/christian-valor-amidst-pagan-persecution

Take heart…this from the end of the linked article…

“As Christians, we have a responsibility to build a distinct, living culture in the twenty-first century, just as our forebears had the same responsibility in their time, a culture which will manifest itself in education and humanitarian institutions. The crucial difference between our time and late antiquity, of course, is the socio-political status of Church. In Martin’s time, the Church came to enjoy official status and was able to command the deference of the imperial authority. In our age, the Church is increasingly under attack by a new, secular imperium which would strip the Church of her right to evangelize, educate, and minister. This new imperium is possessed of the same ferocious hostility that beset the Church in reign of the pagan emperors. In the face of this new, militant paganism, may God grant us the full measure of the Christian valor of Saint Martin of Tours..”

“Voting patterns of this last election give ample support to the notion of the divided country, and it is now virtually obligatory to bemoan polarization while calling for unity in our fragmented polis.

As obvious as our polarization seems, perhaps disunity is not the real problem; instead, perhaps we already have a unity, just of a barbaric sort rendering reasonable life and speech fragmentary, incoherent, and truncated.

Over fifty years ago, John Courtney Murray, perhaps the leading Catholic political theorist of the last century, wrote that it is quite impossible for a society to operate “without some spiritual bond of unity,” without “some concept of a doctrine that is sacred.” The question and problem facing us, Fr. Murray suggested, is “not whether we shall have a national unity—of course we shall! The only question is: what kind of unity and quality of unity shall we have? And on what will it be based, and what ends will it serve and pursue?” He continued, “American culture is not pluralistic. American culture is unitary. American culture is uniform, and it is tending always to become more and more unitary and uniform….

For Murray, belief in the power of a secular technological empire is a type of idiocy, taken in the original Greek meaning: “the ‘idiot’ meant, first of all, the private person, and then came to mean the man who does not possess the public philosophy, the man who is not master of the knowledge and the skills that underlie the life of the civilized city. The idiot, to the Greek, was just one stage removed from the barbarian.” The contemporary idiot is “the technological secularist who knows everything. He’s the man who knows everything about the organization of all the instruments and techniques of power that are available in the contemporary world and who, at the same time, understands nothing about the nature of man or about the nature of true civilization.”

Such technological idiocy will not be unsophisticated or without its skillful and educated practitioners, but their expertise will not include the things which matter most to our common and public life: “this technological order will hang, as it were, suspended over a moral confusion; and this moral confusion will itself be suspended over a spiritual vacuum.” Technology, whatever the claims made by our experts, specialists, and practitioners, cannot deliver civilization, for such an order provides no real purpose or vision of life, it is a void, a vacuum…

Spiritual vacuums are filled, for “society, like nature itself, abhors a vacuum and cannot tolerate it,” and since “traditional religion is outlawed as the public religion … what then remains to fill the vacuum that otherwise would result at the heart of society?” It is here that the second candidate steps forward to fill the lacuna left by technological society: “the candidate, of course, for this post of being the civil religion of American society has already presented himself. It is, of course, democracy conceived as a quasi-religious faith,” a “political mystique, the unclarified concept of freedom.”

Since technology cannot deliver human purpose but tends to sever us from the ancient traditions and communities, and since we cannot live entirely severed from meaning, we create a civil religion, “a substitute secular faith, that would undertake to take the place of the traditional religious faith that has historically given substance to the civilization that we call Western.” Moreover, for this new faith to capture our allegiance, “this set of democratic values is conceived to be transcendent to all the religious divisions that are unfortunately among us,” and there “must be outlawed all the traditional tenets of traditional religion.” Note, thus, how the new civil religion demands, and provides, a pale version of unity in demanding allegiance to freedom even as traditional religion is diminished and forced to bow to the newer gods….

John Paul II indicated something very similar in Evangelium Vitae: “freedom negates and destroys itself, and becomes a factor leading to the destruction of others, when it no longer recognizes and respects its essential link with the truth, “when it strives “to emancipate itself from all forms of tradition and authority….” Oddly, the religion of freedom fosters both a deep alienation from others while encouraging also a mass conformity of individuals united in their quest for freedom, as John Paul II explains: “If the promotion of the self is understood in terms of absolute autonomy, people inevitably reach the point of rejecting one another…. Thus society becomes a mass of individuals placed side by side, but without any mutual bonds…. any reference to common values and to a truth absolutely binding on everyone is lost, and social life ventures on to the shifting sands of complete relativism.”

Note the perverse nature of the civil religion of freedom—it serves as the underlying spiritual capital by which a people are formed, and yet it forms a people united only in their mutual alienation from each other…”

Barbarism, in other words, threatens whenever rational standards of judgment fail, when “men cannot be locked together in argument,” for civilization itself is formed by the locking of argument. No reason, no conversation; no conversation, no argument; no argument, no civilization, Murray suggests…”

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/barbaric-fragmentation-john-courtney-murray-foresaw-the-u-s-united-in-co

Nihil sub sole novum Ecclesiastes 1:9

Grace_is_sufficient on November 11, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I think we give too much deference to their former countries. I’m a little tired of it being a crime to be insensitive of the country that was bad enough to flee from but apparently needs to be glorified.

M2RB: Kalai

Thank you, ma’am. As always, I value your friendship and support. And, Mr. Munford’s, too. :)

why in the hell dont these idiots saying the republicans got fewer votes just admt obama cheated:

if you are interested in the voter fraud that happened to Mitt Romney go here: http://obamavoterfraud.blogspot.com/
and on and on it goes its mind boggling what happened.

couple of examples: Evidence of massive Obama voter fraud in Colorado! Ten counties show 104% to 140% turnout!
Crooked Politics: Obama Lost in Every State With Photo ID Law
Philly Polling Stations Where GOP Inspectors Were Kicked Out Had 90% Voter Turnout, 99% Voted For Obama…
Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket
Pundit Press: What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote
Why the Polls are Wrong: Electorate is R+6
Vote fraud alert: One out of five registered Ohio voters is bogus
52 Democrats arrested for VOTER FRAUD so far
Vote Fraud Expert: Romney Votes Not Counted in Key States

mrks on November 11, 2012 at 5:19 AM

I am officially freaked out. The “polls are skewed” denial is coalescing into a “the election was stolen” conspiracy theory. You all are starting to sound *alot* like disaffected Confederates during Reconstruction. You need to read up on the wild hysteria around “Negr@ rule”
among southern Democrats in the 1870s, a hysteria that spawned the foundation of the Knights of the White Camelia. Chill. Out. The election is over and your side did. not. win. In states where people had to show ID, and where they didn’t. In states where you had to show photo ID, Obama won! Obama also lost states without hard and fast voter ID requirements. You also have to prove that Obama had corrupted GOP controlled secretaries of state in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersay, Pennsylvania and Virginia. How, pray chance, did they corrupt the GOP to steal the election for the Democrats?

Now I’m about to blow your whole world up. The crux of this emerging, creepy and dangerous conspiracy theory is that “there were long lines and a lower turnout, HOW CAN THAT BE?!?!”

The answer is *profoundly* simple. There were less hours for early voting in a number of states where there were long lines. There were election workers checking ID in ways they never had before. In Florida tere was a 12 page ballot book. And none of these states and localities had devoted funds to expanding the number of polling places, there are often few state funds devoted to the issue. These are conditions produced by “election reforms” pursued by the Republicans, and most importantly, by the tea party. And now the fruits of your labor are your proof for a “conspiracy theory.” Unreal.

libfreeordie on November 11, 2012 at 7:46 AM

You’re officially freaked out that Obama won in precincts where there was 141% voter turnout?

So am I.

Precincts with 100% + turnout. Precincts with 99+% votes for Obama. Precincts where Republican poll watchers are locked out. Just a coincidence that Obama has long-standing ties to Acorn an organization with multiple convictions for voter registration fraud.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Free and fair election, my a**