Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on November 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

“He doesn’t have to play to get reelected anymore, which is huge,” said Chicago supporter Jim Slama, who first met Obama in 2001. “It frees him to be who he is.”…

“I’m hopeful,” said Slama. “He’ll try to play to the middle, but he’s got the Tea Party to deal with, and he can take out his baseball bat and wail away and he won’t have to worry about the implications of reelection.”

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“Millions of American evangelicals are absolutely shocked by not just the presidential election, but by the entire avalanche of results that came in,” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in Louisville, Ky., said in an interview. “It’s not that our message — we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong — didn’t get out. It did get out.

“It’s that the entire moral landscape has changed,” he said. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.”…

The evangelical share of the population is both declining and graying, studies show. Large churches like the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God, which have provided an organizing base for the Christian right, are losing members.

“In the long run, this means that the Republican constituency is going to be shrinking on the religious end as well as the ethnic end,” said James L. Guth, a professor of political science at Furman University in Greenville, S.C.

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This year Democrats’ arguments on values were heard. This was a “values” election as strident as the ones from culture wars past in which Christians marched against subsidies for Mapplethorpe, creationists vied for seats on Kansas school boards, and William Bennett demanded to know where the outrage was. What was different about this year’s culture war is that Republicans lost it

Obama has made a lot of mistakes, but running the country as a business is not one of them. Like Bush before him, he is always stressing how America is the only place where membership in the nation derives not from race, ethnicity, or religion but from belief in an idea.

The bright side of that vision is a beautiful thing, but there is a dark side to it, too. If America is an idea, you can belong to it regardless of your ethnic background. But you cannot belong to it regardless of your beliefs. A tendency to lecture the American public on what they are supposed to believe has become a constant in the president’s oratory. “That’s who we are,” he said in his victory speech on Tuesday. He was talking about the need to help an 8-year-old girl with leukemia, a fairly uncontroversial proposition. But he uses this trope even when talking about the tiniest velleities, usually expanding it to “that’s not who we are as a people.” If there is one disturbing truth that Obama has always understood, it is that a winning American campaign is always about values, is never lukewarm, and is generally a bit scary-looking to foreigners and losers.

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In my own state, where the Democrats ran the board on election night, the “Live Free or Die” license plates look very nice when you see them all lined up in the parking lot of the Social Security office. But, in their view of the state and its largesse, there’s nothing very exceptional about Americans, except that they’re the last to get with the program. Barack Obama ran well to the left of Bill Clinton and John Kerry, and has been rewarded for it both by his party’s victory and by the reflex urgings of the usual GOP experts that the Republican party needs to “moderate” its brand.

I have no interest in the traditional straw clutching — oh, it was the weak candidate . . . hard to knock off an incumbent . . . next time we’ll have a better GOTV operation in Colorado . . . I’m always struck, if one chances to be with a GOP insider when a new poll rolls off the wire, that their first reaction is to query whether it’s of “likely” voters or merely “registered” voters. As the consultant class knows, registered voters skew more Democrat than likely voters, and polls of “all adults” skew more Democrat still. Hence the preoccupation with turnout models. In other words, if America had compulsory voting as Australia does, the Republicans would lose every time. In Oz, there’s no turnout model, because everyone turns out. The turnout-model obsession is an implicit acknowledgment of an awkward truth — that, outside the voting booth, the default setting of American society is ever more liberal and statist.

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In future, our elections will be like those in Britain or New York. We will be presented with a choice between a statist liberal and an out-there uber-liberal. And with the uber-liberal enjoying the full backing of the media and Hollywood, it’ll by no means be an easy win for the ordinary Mike Bloomberg or David Cameron-style liberal, who will be portrayed as a heartless plutocrat if he happens to come from money, or as a hopeless rube if he happens to come from nowhere…

The school choice movement will be killed off as “draining resources from public education,” which really means it harms a core Democratic interest group, the teachers’ unions. The simple matter of requiring voters to supply I.D. will be forbidden, not because it doesn’t make sense, the voters don’t want it or because it’s unconstitutional, but because it harms Democratic party interests. The two parties will fall all over each other in their efforts to mollify illegal immigrants. The new health-care entitlement will become increasingly onerous and costly, with all discussion limited to how best to “save” it, until one day employers’ efforts to work around it cause a frustrated government to convert it to a full-on single-payer Socialist scheme.

I didn’t expect this would ever happen to my country, and certainly not so fast, but we are now a decadent European social welfare state, sure to be accompanied by European levels of economic stagnation, taxation, welfare rolls, unemployment and perpetually misallocated resources such as subsidies to favored companies. Military irrelevance will soon follow as the staggering costs of the cradle-to-grave socialist state grow exponentially. Iran will soon have nuclear capability, to be followed in short order by its Middle Eastern neighbors, folllowed shortly by widespread proliferation of nuclear arms to terrorist groups.

***

If we are to lose America as it has been, could we not ask that it be lost to something better than this? Our president, a Narcissus masquerading as a Demosthenes, makes big speeches packed full of little ideas, and he is applauded wildly for it. His, says Marco Rubio, “are tired and old big-government ideas. Ideas that people come to America to get away from. Ideas that threaten to make America more like the rest of the world, instead of helping the world become more like America.” I will vouch for the verity of these words. I have watched how these sorry ideas play out in the real world, and it is not pretty: They make people’s lives worse, and yet simultaneously convince them that any reform will kill them — a fatal combination. Americans should avoid this path sedulously, for that way lies decline…

And yet, he has now won twice. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, to elect such a man once may be regarded as a misfortune, but to elect him twice looks like carelessness. (Or, rather, criminal negligence.) This year, certainly, was not the perfect storm of 2008. Then, novelty and redemption played a role; this time, an insipid bore ran on an openly statist platform and won the day in a country that is supposed to be “center right.” Maybe it no longer is. In 1980, when faced with a set of policies that demonstrably hadn’t worked and a president who wanted to take America leftward, America chose a different path; in 2012, it doubled down. That says a lot about a people. The central problem, then, is not that Obama will be president for the next few years, but that the American people — knowing him — chose to reelect him. Even if this is put down to a failure of Romney’s turnout operation or Hurricane Sandy or Obama’s brilliant targeting, it does not say much for their commitment to classical liberalism that a significant group of Americans stayed away from the fight because they didn’t like Mitt Romney. That this was not a clear-cut repudiation of the president should sound the alarm.

***

Obama is taking us toward the European way at very the moment that model is collapsing. This may mean total decline, but it may also mean a painful process of cultural reconstitution.

The West was already headed for demographic-economic Armageddon. Even a Romney victory wouldn’t have changed that. The real test will be what happens when the crisis truly hits, sometime in the next decade. Fighting for conservative/classically-liberal solutions until that moment will make all the difference in how America weathers the storm. The Western welfare state as currently constituted cannot survive. It will shortly move from inevitable to impossible.

***

Thinking about the present day, if conservatives are right and what Walter Russell Mead has called the “blue state model” is indeed collapsing, then the GOP might not be that far away from another moment. At the least, the fact that it did not come in 2012 does not mean it is not coming.

And conservatives should be ready for it. For starters, they should ignore the triumphalists on the left espousing a permanent shift leftward. Nonsense! Yes, conservatives must do a better job of reaching out to Hispanics, but some perspective is necessary. The incumbent president is set to take in millions of fewer votes than he won in 2008. He limped across the finish line by dint of vicious demagoguery, which lowered turnout among white voters who have voted Republican in the past. Put simply, the GOP is still very much in this ballgame.

***

Now we need a majority in Congress to listen – and they should start by making sure taxes don’t go up on the 98% of Americans making under $250,000 a year starting January 1. This is something we all agree on. Even as we negotiate a broader deficit reduction package, Congress should extend middle-class tax cuts right now. It’s a step that would give millions of families and 97% of small businesses the peace of mind that will lead to new jobs and faster growth. There’s no reason to wait.

We know there will be differences and disagreements in the months to come. That’s part of what makes our political system work. But on Tuesday, you said loud and clear that you won’t tolerate dysfunction, or politicians who see compromise as a dirty word.


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50% tax rates for everyone.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

This is a must read!

I am all for letting it burn 2013! However, the ultimate answer is divorce.

Rockshine on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

The GOP will Betrayus in General.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

They make good money being part of the corruption.

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:25 PM

What does FTW mean?

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

For the win

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:25 PM

The GOP will Betrayus in General.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

You have a gift for Punditry :)

A lot of serious people are incorporating a serious amount of Galt into their lives. I’ve been surprised at the level of commitment.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Ugh,this Election is still reverberating across da globe….(sarc)

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canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM

50% tax rates for everyone.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

And still it won’t be enough..

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM

What does FTW mean?

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

For the win

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:25 PM

It’s an LSU thing.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM

For the win

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Heh. I thought it meant ‘Fvck The World’!

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I am all for letting it burn 2013! However, the ultimate answer is divorce.

Rockshine on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

But it won’t be a velvet one.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

The nations is now Lord of The Flies. A nation ruled by Children, controlled by children, and Led by the biggest child of all.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Occupy Wall Street Embraces Lord of the Flies Label

Glenn Jericho on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Send every man, woman, and child a bill for $50,000. (equals $16 trillion)

Ask them which payment plan they would like.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

50% tax rates for everyone.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

And still it won’t be enough..

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:27 PM

75% for all those making 25% or higher. :)

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I was just trying to be funny, a stoner too.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

In that context, true. I guess I picked a bad century to give up the weed.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The incumbent president is set to take in millions of fewer votes than he won in 2008. He limped across the finish line

In other words Obama/Romney were two statist in a race to the bottom and both parties suck.

FloatingRock on November 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

How can 535 A-holes control 300 Million peeps?

And why do we let them?

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

GOP pretends to fight.

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

There WAS voter fraud.

It probably tipped the election in several states. It may well have handed Obama victory.

Who ya gonna call?

The GOP? Romney? Fox News? MSNBC?

This is like getting mugged and then complaining that the mugger ‘struck me…and then he took my money!‘.

This is the new reality.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Send every man, woman, and child a bill for $50,000. (equals $16 trillion)

Ask them which payment plan they would like.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Can I choose the payment plan that America has with China?

default.

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

In other words Obama/Romney were two statist in a race to the bottom and both parties suck.

FloatingRock on November 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Don’t blame me. I voted for George W. Bush.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Can I choose the payment plan that America has with China?

default.

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:31 PM

We’re on the Greek option

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM

They will never see it coming, they are blinded by free stuff and the perfect utopia.

We, on the other hand, know what is coming and need to prepare accordingly. I think I’m getting out of the stock market and will be opening a bank account in Slovakia when I go home for holiday.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

A good amount of gold and lead (as in bullets) wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Send every man, woman, and child a bill for $50,000. (equals $16 trillion)

Ask them which payment plan they would like.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

This is why people are not having enough kids in this country to make it prosperous. Did you know entrepreneurs/investors/businesses plan for the long haul, the many years down the road kind. If they do not see enough future customers or enough future well trained employees, they simply will not create infrastructure today to cater to not enough of either later.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Not Lanceman.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

My vote for Jill Stein was a surprise, I thought it was Rosanne Barr so I went Green Party straight ticket

Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

The good news, if America is no longer #1….

We can bitch about some other country for a change.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Okay a grown man, playing professional basketball, should not wear a hair bun on the top of his head like a girl.

Ewwwwwww

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM

The nations is now Lord of The Flies. A nation ruled by Children, controlled by children, and Led by the biggest child of all.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Why else do you think Santa won the other day? We’ve gone from Lord of the Flies to Lord of the FreeStuff.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

We’re on the Greek option

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM

F#CK!

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

And sorry after the behavior of the libertarians here it won’t be them either.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

After all of their crap – both before the election and continuing even now – I’d vote for a third term for d’ohbama before I’d vote for a libertarian or ‘TrueCon’ candidate.
And not even for state and local offices, either.(which I’ve done frequently in the past to help them become a bigger, more viable, party) Never again.
They wanted to play stupid games and “teach the Republicans a lesson”? OK. We learned your lesson — and you’re going to get it right back at you.

Solaratov on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

“what big ears you have Santa…”

Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:33 PM

WHACK!

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

We’re on the Greek option

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Fluck!!

*previous post was moderated..guess why?*

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I wonder if we’ll have to pay for another Obama Extravaganza re-inauguration ceremony? You know, just to rub it in and all that.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Key West Reader:Most brilliant question:)
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canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

WHACK!

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Nope. Not that either.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Branco Bamma to GOP and conservatives- I Won….again.

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I think I want a bumper sticker that says ” I lost”
But it would be too long if I added you and America.
I don’t see how we will undo what will be done so like others I will prepare and watch it burn.
How long until I can’t take Hot Air?
I’ll miss you guys.

seesalrun2 on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Don’t forget:

LEAD, the other precious metal.™

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Not even if someone handed me a million dollars would I go to that.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Occupy Wall Street Embraces Lord of the Flies Label

Glenn Jericho on November 10, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Well, sh!t does attract flies.

VegasRick on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Solaratov on November 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM

As if you ever would have voted for a conservative. You guys always demand vote the party when it is a progressive on the ticket, when there is an actual conservative on the ticket you find every excuse imaginable and then some to no longer argue that.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:39 PM

This is the new reality.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

They definitely cheated enough in Florida to take it from us, and take Allen West’s seat.

We need to write to John Boehner and tell him to get out of the way of Barry and let him have his taxes. He’s going to let the Bush rates expire on the $250,000 and above – and do all kinds of wonderful things with All That Revenue. Pay down the deficit, build infrastructure, hire some science teachers, maybe invest in a solar plant or two. He’s got a mandate now, and such a great track record, I say let him have it.

Embrace the cliff!
THELMA & LOUISE!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM

There WAS voter fraud.

It probably tipped the election in several states. It may well have handed Obama victory.

Who ya gonna call?

The GOP? Romney? Fox News? MSNBC?

This is like getting mugged and then complaining that the mugger ‘struck me…and then he took my money!‘.

This is the new reality.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

It’s a like an establishment coup. GOP tries to kill off the small government voter. Taking one for the team…

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

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canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Well, looks like they covered everything, except:

*Peeing on Your Television

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Once the Republican party decays enough, a new party will grow to fill the void with out the degraded losers that many of the Republicans are.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I think your wrong. I think party with a humble but charismatic figurehead that is convinced of and espouses a clear conservatism…This part could create a large new party. 20%+

1/2 the country doesn’t vote and of that 1/2 there are plenty of conservative learners who would love to believe in political solutions.

The problem is that, if that happened, it would give the dems a HUGE majority for a few cycles.

BoxHead1 on November 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Once the Republican party decays enough, a new party will grow to fill the void with out the degraded losers that many of the Republicans are.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I think you are wrong about the timeline.

BoxHead1 on November 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Our nation needs to put the Stigma back on receiving Welfare.

Mooching is NOT an acceptable form of life.

The way of the BUM must be scorned.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Agreed. However, that would first require the resuscitation of the concept of Shame in America — which slowly declined and seems to have ultimately died somewhere along the line these past five decades …

ShainS on November 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

the wheels are already in motion for single-payer. The Horror of companies cutting back people to 30 hours…and letting people go.

intolerable, inhumane…we need single-payer..we can’t wait!

so, maybe 3 or 4 years?…yeah..i think. 10 years salaried, unionized drs and nurses. think of the power. TSA you can shut down the transport system…drs et al…you can shut down the h/c system

r keller on November 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

We need to write to John Boehner and tell him to get out of the way of Barry and let him have his taxes. He’s going to let the Bush rates expire on the $250,000 and above – and do all kinds of wonderful things with All That Revenue. Pay down the deficit, build infrastructure, hire some science teachers, maybe invest in a solar plant or two. He’s got a mandate now, and such a great track record, I say let him have it.

I agree. The sooner this happens the more human capital and resources will still be around for a recovery. The longer we wait the less chance of even being capable of recovering from what socialism is doing.

Embrace the cliff!
THELMA & LOUISE!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Forward!

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

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*Getting Tickets
*Going to the Inauguration
*Inaugural Parade
*Inaugural Participation
*Host an Inaugural Event
*Where to Stay
*Washington D.C. Tours/Activities

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canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I am dieing to see that woman that was happy that Obama got elected and she doesn’t have to worry about gas or mortgage.

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:46 PM

This is a must read!

“America could presumably reach a point at which it could no longer usefully be called America. How close to that point are we?”

Rockshine on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

When I look at you America, what I see
Is a country that once belonged to me
And even though that melody plays on, you’re gone
When I look at you, America is standing there
I can almost breathe you in like summer in the air
When I look at you, America is touching me
I would reach for you, but who can hold a memory?
Did I create a dream?
Was America a fantasy?
Even a memory is paradise for all the fools like me
Now, remembering is all that I can do
Because I miss America so, when I look at you

PercyB on November 10, 2012 at 9:46 PM

orbitalair on November 10, 2012 at 9:23 pm

Whoa man, completely understand the frustration, but there’s no reason to talk like that – leave that talk for the people on the other side.

specialkayel on November 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Agreed. However, that would first require the resuscitation of the concept of Shame in America — which slowly declined and seems to have ultimately died somewhere along the line these past five decades …

ShainS on November 10, 2012 at 9:44 PM

No, shame is alive and well if you’re a white male, a practicing Christian, or someone who provides for your family and then some.

Shame is alive and well in America.

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM

If Boner and crew can only stay out of the way and respect Americans decision to grow jobs by putting more money into the pockets of the middle class instead of the so called job creators(mainly corrupt billionaires like Mr Adelson), America will do just fine.

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

It’s a like an establishment coup. GOP tries to kill off the small government voter. Taking one for the team…

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I am not yet convinced that the GOP is in on it with the Democrats, but they are certainly playing the weak sister with them. It basically amounts to the same thing in the end. The GOP is for all intents and purposes Missing In Action.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

This is insanity.

Has everyone already forgotten recent history?

Does no one remember 2004? W and his capital, ready to spend?

It was a disaster, because you cannot control events.

Right now, the progs are planning a bulwark so ’14 does not become a repeat of ’10.

And they’ll plan, and plan, and plan.

But they have no idea what’s coming in the next six months, let alone 1.5 years.

Look at Petraeus. Look at Sandy. Or Scott Walker.

People need to chill and wait for the real polling numbers to come in, which won’t be until the end of the month.

Once we get a final tally and an honest breakdown of the electorate, then we’ll know wtf happen.

For example, we’re told how badly Romney did with Latinos, and how he lost the Cubans! But no one mentions that he did better in CA and NV than McCain. McCain Southwestern Mexicans best friend!

Right now, Cali is a blue sociological experiment…

…and NY/NJ will not return to normal anytime soon as the secrets of the dead are still hidden.

These are the pillars, the Sodom and Gomorrah of Progtopia.

We don’t not know near outcomes yet.

In a year, they could be rocking-n-rollin.

Or, dragging along.

Or, in total disarray.

budfox on November 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I am not yet convinced that the GOP is in on it with the Democrats, but they are certainly playing the weak sister with them. It basically amounts to the same thing in the end. The GOP is for all intents and purposes Missing In Action.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

We have no leader – that is the problem.

It can be reasonably argued that Bill Clinton is the “leader” of the democratic party. Who is our leader?

We need someone to step up now and unite everybody. Also that someone needs to say it like it needs to be said. No nicey nice anymore.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:50 PM

If Boner and crew can only stay out of the way

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I stopped reading right there.

Perfect.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

There WAS voter fraud.

This is the new reality.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

sharruukin:Straight up it was,

every state called Obama,as soon as the polls closed,
in some areas,Obama got 100-to 110% of the vote!

And,prior to the Election,every Democrat Hack,Cutter and
Debbie didn’t do Dallas WassermanHerrShultz as examples,

were so confident,of winning!

Boatloads of cash,went into these/those areas and I’m
sure after Dopey/Ragey leaves office,the tell-all books
will come out,bragging,how they DID IT!:)

Oh,and E-mailing/Faxing in votes,and Voting out of a McDonalds
restaurant,is just asking for voter fraud!
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canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

the wheels are already in motion for single-payer. The Horror of companies cutting back people to 30 hours…and letting people go.

r keller on November 10, 2012 at 9:45 PM

How soon before the first lawsuits start by laid off employees claiming discrimination over the way they voted?

How soon before King Obama signs an EO stating it’s now illegal lay your employees off?

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

You have a gift for Punditry :)

A lot of serious people are incorporating a serious amount of Galt into their lives. I’ve been surprised at the level of commitment.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM

You can call me SparkPundit. Hehe. I’m going to do that Galt thing with everyone else. But I’m really hoping we start the Tea Party again after the GOPe de energized it.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

and they should start by making sure taxes don’t go up on the 98% of Americans making under $250,000 a year starting January 1.

Why ? If tax is good , more more more.

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

TrollCott!

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

How soon before King Obama signs an EO stating it’s now illegal lay your employees off?

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

So? The, as a businessman, run your company into the ground. You’d have nothing to lose.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I love how everytime we lose people whine that the establishment wanted us to or blame them. How about blaming those cons who didnt bother to vote? But even with that, the hurricane, and the romney campaign OCRCA crap, Obama still just barely beat us. Look at the swing state totals. We could have had him, even with the likely fraud.

Jack_Burton on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Why does Lancenan always snack Twerpy?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Not even if someone handed me a million dollars would I go to that.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:38 PM

gophergirl:

I fully agree,I do wonder,how many children from the Inner
Cities,will get invited,er,get tickets!:0

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

specialkayel on November 10, 2012 at 9:47 PM

No need to respond to it. The poster is already banned for it, the minute it’s seen, and the post itself will probably be deleted. On a weekday, it would have already happened.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Smack not snack.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I will keep my customized bumper sticker on my car. I must have been thinking ahead as it still makes sense and will likely make even more sense as we go Forward!

Obama Is The Man
Of A Thousand Excuses

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

We need someone to step up now and unite everybody. Also that someone needs to say it like it needs to be said. No nicey nice anymore.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Please.

Do not think that way.

We lead. We organize. We support our own.

That’s what the progs did after ’04. Which lead to ’12.

Do not look for an individual. Look for action. Look for someone taking a different tactic to the fight.

Talk is cheap. We need a larger scope away from DC.

Read the Mark Steyn piece above if you haven’t. He nails the problem.

You cannot expect people to vote center-right one day every two years while living in a prog bubble the other 729 days.

budfox on November 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

We could have had him, even with the likely fraud.

Jack_Burton on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

The fraud shouldn’t have mattered. obama should have had is doors blown out. In a sane universe.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Why does Lancenan always snack Twerpy?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Thwack twerp. Or whack. Whatever you like. Try it. You’ll understand.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I will keep my customized bumper sticker on my car. I must have been thinking ahead as it still makes sense and will likely make even more sense as we go Forward!

Obama Is The Man
Of A Thousand Excuses

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Excellent. I need to get something on my car as I’m a single woman and I don’t want anybody thinking for a moment I voted for that POS.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Why does Lancenan always smack Twerpy?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Has to do with FB.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

An alternative view:
Obama will rue the day he won re-election.

Some reasons:
1. The Economy. He had four years to try and fix the economy . Another four years of mediocrity and there will be no one to blame but him.

2. Congress. There is no reason to believe that the stalemate will end. the smartest President in history will have presided over 6 years of bitterness and division.

3. Obamacare. The next four years will be a showcase of government ineptitude.

4. Europe. The EU and the Euro teetering on the verge of collapse and this time, America won’t be there to bail them out.

5. Afghanistan. By announcing unconditional withdrawal in 2014, Obama now owns the aftermath. Pakistan, Iran and the Taliban have been waiting for this day for more than ten years. It won’t be pretty.

6. Israel and Iran. Hard to see how this stalemate will continue for another four years.

These are just a few of the many problems facing him.

And another thing: MONEY.

Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney could easily earn $100 million dollars over the next four years. Michelle and Barry are soon going to realize they gave up four years of “cashing in”. The media and entertainment elites will have no use for them in four years and what person in their right minds will trust them with money?
And, their taxes will be a lot higher….

MichaelGabriel on November 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

If Boner and crew can only stay out of the way and respect Americans decision to grow jobs by putting more money into the pockets of the middle class instead of the so called job creators(mainly corrupt billionaires like Mr Adelson), America will do just fine.

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Mr. Adelson’s managers/HR should use social media to start laying off Democrats from his company. Let ‘em sit around unemployed eating SPAM for Thanksgiving and Christmas.

Want to elect idiots to high office that hurt the company? OK, you’re FIRED. How do I know you voted for Obama? Why, it’s right here on your Facebook page. I heard Chipotle is hiring, so, you’ll survive… barely.

Elections have consequences. :-)

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Cliff time!!
And you get to ride shotgun, HotAirLib!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:57 PM

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Please explain , oh sage, if redistributive economics works so well…why is Blue state Illinois(where I escaped from)thisclose to going bankrupt, while red state Texas(my adopted home state) has an economy that’s thriving? I tried for TWO YEARS + to find a retail job in Ill. TWO. YEARS. I was hired by Wal-Mart less than a month after we got here. Did I mention that Illinois taxes the sh*t out of its citizens and that the effective tax on businesses is close to 9.5%. Texas doesn’t have a state income tax for individuals-and its business tax is SUBSTANTIALLY lower.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

We have no leader – that is the problem.

It can be reasonably argued that Bill Clinton is the “leader” of the democratic party. Who is our leader?

We need someone to step up now and unite everybody. Also that someone needs to say it like it needs to be said. No nicey nice anymore.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:50 PM

The problem is that we don’t know who that someone is.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity
.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Ok I will Thwack her to see what happens. I’ll just say Cozmo asked me the thwack you to save my own skin.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

i know we all enjoy lampooning Dick Morris…but he’s one unhappy camper.

1. Television is losing its impact. Particularly in the presidential race, it is astonishing that the almost one billion dollars spent advertising in eight states did very little to move the vote share. Voters are not watching television as much these days and those that are still turning it on are fast forwarding through the ads. And negative campaign ads — in fact, all ads, — are losing their impact.

2. Demographic voting is the new norm in America. You vote based on who you are, not where you live or how well each campaign has articulated its case. 93% of blacks, 70% of Latinos, 60% of those under 30, and 62% of single people, voted for Obama. And white married couples over 30 years of age voted for Romney. Not much else matters. A president who was elected and re-elected through identity politics has brought about a state of affairs where demographic voting determines the outcome. Our votes are predictable based on our race, ethnicity, age, and marital status well before anybody does any campaigning.

of course all leftists have been dreaming for this moment for years (if not decades in some cases)

http://www.dickmorris.com/the-campaign-made-no-difference/

r keller on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

The thing that everybody seemed to miss is that Obama isn’t just the 1st Black POTUS. He’s the first non-White POTUS. Immigrants from Guyana, Mexico, Egypt, Bangladesh, the Phillipines, Thailand, China, etc, living in a country where every single POTUS was a WASP, except for one White Catholic, look at Obama and think “maybe my child can grow up to be President one day”.

These people didn’t want Obama to be a failed one termer. And now that non-Whites make up nearly 30% of the electorate, they had the numbers to put him over the top. Sure, plenty of these people don’t think Obama has done a very good job. But they eagerly bought into the line that “he did the best he could with the mess he inherited”, because they wanted him to get another chance, even if they had doubts about whether he deserved it.

If America becomes Europe, then there’s no place left for immigrants to move to where, through hard work and long hours, they can be living in a McMansion within a decade. They can’t get that in Europe. If the economy continues to stagnate over the next four years, the ambitious Koreans, Chinese, Indians, Hispanics, West Indians, etc, are not going to vote for the Democrats.

They didn’t come here and work their butts off to take care of freeloaders. Most of them never experienced the Carter years. They came here later. This is their first experience with economic bad time. They gave Obama a pass, because he was the first non-White POTUS. But another four years of misery will inspire a lot of them to make common cause with the Tea Party.

One thing I’ve noticed about the Korean and Chinese immigrants. Their kids are very Americanized. Chinese-American girls with Valley Girl accents fit effortlessly into the culture of their parent’s adopted homeland, like they’ve been living here forever. I just can’t see these people shrugging their shoulders and accepting 8% unemployment and $5 a gallon gas.

They’ll give the first non-White POTUS his mulligan, but then they’ll want that new SUV and the house in the better school district. Not all of them, but enough of them to go one last round against statism.

ardenenoch on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Sorry for the typos. I worked hard for my money today.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

budfox on November 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I agree that we need to do this on the local level but I still think we need someone to take the mantle of leadership.

When push comes to shove – America looks for a leader. Heck look at the exit polls – people voted for Obama because of the 45 minute walk on the beach with Christie.

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM

You can call me SparkPundit. Hehe. I’m going to do that Galt thing with everyone else. But I’m really hoping we start the Tea Party again after the GOPe de energized it.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

SparkPlug:

Needs more CowBell,er,Spark,…….SparkElectricPundit!

Otay,might need improvised improvement(s)!
(sarc)

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM

There WAS voter fraud.

This is the new reality.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PM

sharruukin:Straight up it was,

every state called Obama,as soon as the polls closed,
in some areas,Obama got 100-to 110% of the vote!

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Yup, and there isn’t a damn thing the Republicans are going to do about it.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM

If Boner and crew can only stay out of the way and respect Americans decision to grow jobs by putting more money into the pockets of the middle class instead of the so called job creators(mainly corrupt billionaires like Mr Adelson), America will do just fine.

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Would you grow your business when the President called for revenge..

On you?

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Because, Ughh, they are DEMOCRATS, they lie, cheat, steal, and they NEVER ADMIT WRONG. It will be someone elses fault, it always is.
Hitler had it right, the only way to really be rid of them is to kill them. The conflict of the next decade will be the capstone of all the conflicts of the 20th century.
I like the quote above about Iran getting a nuke, they want US, the military conservative to either be afraid of that, or to save them from it. Its hard to tell which.
Muslims, Dems, Marxists and Environmentalists are the enemy. You know what needs to be done. Their names and addresses are out there.
orbitalair on November 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Wow! Quality work hot air! Fine group of customers you’re catering too out here!

Your slip is showing.

Boomer_Sooner on November 10, 2012 at 10:02 PM

If Boner and crew can only stay out of the way and respect Americans decision to grow jobs by putting more money into the pockets of the middle class instead of the so called job creators(mainly corrupt billionaires like Mr Adelson), America will do just fine.

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Umm.. See we agree with you, m’kay. We’re in favor of the GOP House staying out of the way and letting all the tax cuts expire and the huge spending cuts go into effect. There is about 51% of the population who views the gov’t as their personal ATM and only want free stuff from the gov’t. It’s time for them to get a harsh lesson in shared sacrifice. Perhaps when they actually have to pay taxes and the gov’t goodies they receive get cut, then they’ll realize that there is a price to acting like Veruca Salt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

Most conservatives I know will be fine. This will only affect Obama voters.

Illinidiva on November 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Sorry for the typos. I worked hard for my money today.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I was wondering what is worse, a Thwap or a Thwack?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm

Gotcha – appreciate the info :)

specialkayel on November 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Well said..

Sorry for the typos. I worked hard for my money today.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I aint goin to corrct yu..:)

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 10:04 PM

HotAirLib on November 10, 2012 at 9:48 PM

You people have been shouting that since 2011. Why didn’t you “grow jobs” in 2009 and 2010?

wargamer6 on November 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Once the Republican party decays enough, a new party will grow to fill the void with out the degraded losers that many of the Republicans are.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

.
Unless you plan on naming that new party the “Food Stamp” Party – you will still lose.
Remember- if D!ck Clinton had not been caught- 43 looses to Ghore. And you have 20+ straight years of Dem prezzies ?

Do you see a trend here Nate ?

FlaMurph on November 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

How soon before King Obama signs an EO stating it’s now illegal lay your employees off?

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:51 PM

right..as obama always says…make me do it (i think fdr said the same)

btw…you’ve mentioned a couple of times that you think this is a really bid deal (i know, a lot of people do)…but given your experience i was wondering if you could elaborate?

r keller on November 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

FlaMurph on November 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

He sees no problem with 50 years of Dem control, as long as he gets his “pure party”.

wargamer6 on November 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I fully agree,I do wonder,how many children from the Inner
Cities,will get invited,er,get tickets!:0

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:55 PM

But you better believe they will leave a bigger mess to be cleaned up afterward on the parade route.

PatriotGal2257 on November 10, 2012 at 10:06 PM

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I was reading some Yeats the other night. Seems really appropriate for these times.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Well we had a leader but many on our side helped the left rip HER to shreds.

But shooting Mittwads has backfired.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM

But you better believe they will leave a bigger mess to be cleaned up afterward on the parade route.

PatriotGal2257 on November 10, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I have to remind myself to stay off of all blogs, facebook and anything that is not a shopping site that day.

For mental health :)

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM

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