Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on November 10, 2012 by Allahpundit

“He doesn’t have to play to get reelected anymore, which is huge,” said Chicago supporter Jim Slama, who first met Obama in 2001. “It frees him to be who he is.”…

“I’m hopeful,” said Slama. “He’ll try to play to the middle, but he’s got the Tea Party to deal with, and he can take out his baseball bat and wail away and he won’t have to worry about the implications of reelection.”

***

“Millions of American evangelicals are absolutely shocked by not just the presidential election, but by the entire avalanche of results that came in,” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in Louisville, Ky., said in an interview. “It’s not that our message — we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong — didn’t get out. It did get out.

“It’s that the entire moral landscape has changed,” he said. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.”…

The evangelical share of the population is both declining and graying, studies show. Large churches like the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God, which have provided an organizing base for the Christian right, are losing members.

“In the long run, this means that the Republican constituency is going to be shrinking on the religious end as well as the ethnic end,” said James L. Guth, a professor of political science at Furman University in Greenville, S.C.

***

This year Democrats’ arguments on values were heard. This was a “values” election as strident as the ones from culture wars past in which Christians marched against subsidies for Mapplethorpe, creationists vied for seats on Kansas school boards, and William Bennett demanded to know where the outrage was. What was different about this year’s culture war is that Republicans lost it

Obama has made a lot of mistakes, but running the country as a business is not one of them. Like Bush before him, he is always stressing how America is the only place where membership in the nation derives not from race, ethnicity, or religion but from belief in an idea.

The bright side of that vision is a beautiful thing, but there is a dark side to it, too. If America is an idea, you can belong to it regardless of your ethnic background. But you cannot belong to it regardless of your beliefs. A tendency to lecture the American public on what they are supposed to believe has become a constant in the president’s oratory. “That’s who we are,” he said in his victory speech on Tuesday. He was talking about the need to help an 8-year-old girl with leukemia, a fairly uncontroversial proposition. But he uses this trope even when talking about the tiniest velleities, usually expanding it to “that’s not who we are as a people.” If there is one disturbing truth that Obama has always understood, it is that a winning American campaign is always about values, is never lukewarm, and is generally a bit scary-looking to foreigners and losers.

***

In my own state, where the Democrats ran the board on election night, the “Live Free or Die” license plates look very nice when you see them all lined up in the parking lot of the Social Security office. But, in their view of the state and its largesse, there’s nothing very exceptional about Americans, except that they’re the last to get with the program. Barack Obama ran well to the left of Bill Clinton and John Kerry, and has been rewarded for it both by his party’s victory and by the reflex urgings of the usual GOP experts that the Republican party needs to “moderate” its brand.

I have no interest in the traditional straw clutching — oh, it was the weak candidate . . . hard to knock off an incumbent . . . next time we’ll have a better GOTV operation in Colorado . . . I’m always struck, if one chances to be with a GOP insider when a new poll rolls off the wire, that their first reaction is to query whether it’s of “likely” voters or merely “registered” voters. As the consultant class knows, registered voters skew more Democrat than likely voters, and polls of “all adults” skew more Democrat still. Hence the preoccupation with turnout models. In other words, if America had compulsory voting as Australia does, the Republicans would lose every time. In Oz, there’s no turnout model, because everyone turns out. The turnout-model obsession is an implicit acknowledgment of an awkward truth — that, outside the voting booth, the default setting of American society is ever more liberal and statist.

***

In future, our elections will be like those in Britain or New York. We will be presented with a choice between a statist liberal and an out-there uber-liberal. And with the uber-liberal enjoying the full backing of the media and Hollywood, it’ll by no means be an easy win for the ordinary Mike Bloomberg or David Cameron-style liberal, who will be portrayed as a heartless plutocrat if he happens to come from money, or as a hopeless rube if he happens to come from nowhere…

The school choice movement will be killed off as “draining resources from public education,” which really means it harms a core Democratic interest group, the teachers’ unions. The simple matter of requiring voters to supply I.D. will be forbidden, not because it doesn’t make sense, the voters don’t want it or because it’s unconstitutional, but because it harms Democratic party interests. The two parties will fall all over each other in their efforts to mollify illegal immigrants. The new health-care entitlement will become increasingly onerous and costly, with all discussion limited to how best to “save” it, until one day employers’ efforts to work around it cause a frustrated government to convert it to a full-on single-payer Socialist scheme.

I didn’t expect this would ever happen to my country, and certainly not so fast, but we are now a decadent European social welfare state, sure to be accompanied by European levels of economic stagnation, taxation, welfare rolls, unemployment and perpetually misallocated resources such as subsidies to favored companies. Military irrelevance will soon follow as the staggering costs of the cradle-to-grave socialist state grow exponentially. Iran will soon have nuclear capability, to be followed in short order by its Middle Eastern neighbors, folllowed shortly by widespread proliferation of nuclear arms to terrorist groups.

***

If we are to lose America as it has been, could we not ask that it be lost to something better than this? Our president, a Narcissus masquerading as a Demosthenes, makes big speeches packed full of little ideas, and he is applauded wildly for it. His, says Marco Rubio, “are tired and old big-government ideas. Ideas that people come to America to get away from. Ideas that threaten to make America more like the rest of the world, instead of helping the world become more like America.” I will vouch for the verity of these words. I have watched how these sorry ideas play out in the real world, and it is not pretty: They make people’s lives worse, and yet simultaneously convince them that any reform will kill them — a fatal combination. Americans should avoid this path sedulously, for that way lies decline…

And yet, he has now won twice. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, to elect such a man once may be regarded as a misfortune, but to elect him twice looks like carelessness. (Or, rather, criminal negligence.) This year, certainly, was not the perfect storm of 2008. Then, novelty and redemption played a role; this time, an insipid bore ran on an openly statist platform and won the day in a country that is supposed to be “center right.” Maybe it no longer is. In 1980, when faced with a set of policies that demonstrably hadn’t worked and a president who wanted to take America leftward, America chose a different path; in 2012, it doubled down. That says a lot about a people. The central problem, then, is not that Obama will be president for the next few years, but that the American people — knowing him — chose to reelect him. Even if this is put down to a failure of Romney’s turnout operation or Hurricane Sandy or Obama’s brilliant targeting, it does not say much for their commitment to classical liberalism that a significant group of Americans stayed away from the fight because they didn’t like Mitt Romney. That this was not a clear-cut repudiation of the president should sound the alarm.

***

Obama is taking us toward the European way at very the moment that model is collapsing. This may mean total decline, but it may also mean a painful process of cultural reconstitution.

The West was already headed for demographic-economic Armageddon. Even a Romney victory wouldn’t have changed that. The real test will be what happens when the crisis truly hits, sometime in the next decade. Fighting for conservative/classically-liberal solutions until that moment will make all the difference in how America weathers the storm. The Western welfare state as currently constituted cannot survive. It will shortly move from inevitable to impossible.

***

Thinking about the present day, if conservatives are right and what Walter Russell Mead has called the “blue state model” is indeed collapsing, then the GOP might not be that far away from another moment. At the least, the fact that it did not come in 2012 does not mean it is not coming.

And conservatives should be ready for it. For starters, they should ignore the triumphalists on the left espousing a permanent shift leftward. Nonsense! Yes, conservatives must do a better job of reaching out to Hispanics, but some perspective is necessary. The incumbent president is set to take in millions of fewer votes than he won in 2008. He limped across the finish line by dint of vicious demagoguery, which lowered turnout among white voters who have voted Republican in the past. Put simply, the GOP is still very much in this ballgame.

***

Now we need a majority in Congress to listen – and they should start by making sure taxes don’t go up on the 98% of Americans making under $250,000 a year starting January 1. This is something we all agree on. Even as we negotiate a broader deficit reduction package, Congress should extend middle-class tax cuts right now. It’s a step that would give millions of families and 97% of small businesses the peace of mind that will lead to new jobs and faster growth. There’s no reason to wait.

We know there will be differences and disagreements in the months to come. That’s part of what makes our political system work. But on Tuesday, you said loud and clear that you won’t tolerate dysfunction, or politicians who see compromise as a dirty word.


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Bishop.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Gird your loins.

rbj on November 10, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Let.It.Burn

#Revenge

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Quote of the day: “We’re screwed!”

Deano1952 on November 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM

“I’m hopeful,” said Slama. “He’ll try to play to the middle, but he’s got the Tea Party to deal with, and he can take out his baseball bat and wail away and he won’t have to worry about the implications of reelection.”

“Obama, Obama…we are all Osama now”

Wail away Obama.

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Hi Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Roll Tide Roll

RickB on November 10, 2012 at 8:37 PM

to elect such a man once may be regarded as a misfortune, but to elect him twice looks like carelessness.

ObamaPhone..

Mitt…sucks..BAD!!!!

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 8:37 PM

“He doesn’t have to play to get reelected anymore, which is huge,” said Chicago supporter Jim Slama, who first met Obama in 2001. “It frees him to be who he is.”…

That. One. Line. :)

That’s got to be the front-matter in someone’s new book. Authors, look up.

But you cannot belong to it regardless of your beliefs. A tendency to lecture the American public on what they are supposed to believe has become a constant in the president’s oratory.

Thus constantly defining it as he’d like it defined.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

The nations is now Lord of The Flies. A nation ruled by Children, controlled by children, and Led by the biggest child of all.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

#lib

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 8:38 PM

I know that Kyle Smith piece has already made the rounds a few times, but man is it spot on.

Kataklysmic on November 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Gird your loins.

rbj on November 10, 2012 at 8:34 PM

You mean “gild your loins,” I think. Heh — “gird.” Like that’s a word.

Axe on November 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM

“But on Tuesday, you said loud and clear that you won’t tolerate dysfunction, or politicians who see compromise as a dirty word.”

Apparently this country does tolerate dysfunction..even Dereliction of Duty..

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Our nation needs to put the Stigma back on receiving Welfare.

Mooching is NOT an acceptable form of life.

The way of the BUM must be scorned.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

whether we like it or not.

If the republican party keeps acting like Don Quixote

we will suffer the fate of Don Quixote.

gerry-tilts at windmills

gerrym51 on November 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I’m no longer sad – I’m just furious.

At least my Gophers got to 6 wins today – bowl eligible baby!

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

In my own state, where the Democrats ran the board on election night, the “Live Free or Die” license plates look very nice when you see them all lined up in the parking lot of the Social Security office.

Steyn is simply the best gallows humorist out there.

Kataklysmic on November 10, 2012 at 8:42 PM

This disaster (fiscal and electoral) was brought about by the socialists on the left, AND the socialists to the right. The lions share of the blame belongs to the left, but the GOP did their part as well. They have been content to be slapped around by the left for too long, and have embraced ‘compassionate conservatism’ in the hopes of getting a few less Pimp Hands from the media, and enticing the leftist voters. It never works, and they never stop trying.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I just wanted to pop in and let let everyone know that they should…

Let it burn.

nitzsche on November 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I hope he ends up in the Slama.

Scotty J on November 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Not Bishop.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I, for one, would ask the Republicans in congress to give Captain Radical every single thing he wants, everything. Just get out of the way and let him and the all the Dems, twist in the wind, when the shit hits the fan.

Let them hang themselves, forever.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Voters won’t tolerate dysfunction? They elected hard left president and senate and hard right house. It’s the very meaning of dysfunction.

myrenovations on November 10, 2012 at 8:46 PM

whether we like it or not.

If the republican party keeps acting like Don Quixote

we will suffer the fate of Don Quixote.

gerry-tilts at windmills

gerrym51 on November 10, 2012 at 8:41 PM

You obviously missed the real point of the literature you are using in the most appalling way. What do you suggest oh brilliant one? If you say more to the center.. .which is now left, I tell you now that is the problem! but you just won’t face it because you miss the point.. including the literature you are beating to death

Noelie on November 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM

The lions share of the blame belongs to the left, but the GOP did their part as well. They have been content to be slapped around by the left for too long, and have embraced ‘compassionate conservatism’ in the hopes of getting a few less Pimp Hands from the media, and enticing the leftist voters. It never works, and they never stop trying.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I agree.

And the GOP for far too long has been the “We lost. But we lost HONORABLY” Party. The Dems play by no rules, but we are hamstrung by our self imposed hurdles.

If they bring Black Panthers, We bring Retired Marines.

If they throw out our poll monitors, we throw theirs out in Our areas.

If the MSM media works for them, we have our media work for us.

The nation is burning, but we keep losing because we fail to be proactive, just react to what the libs have done.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

The Republicans forgot about why the Tea Party came to be. Big bailouts for banks and corporate cronyism.

Remember that before we nominate a posterboy for big business again.

There is common ground between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. Somebody wake the right up to runthe ball through that hole.

rickyricardo on November 10, 2012 at 8:50 PM

We know there will be differences and disagreements in the months to come. That’s part of what makes our political system work. But on Tuesday, you said loud and clear that you won’t tolerate dysfunction, or politicians who see compromise as a dirty word.

Why not give him what he wants so he can own it.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 8:50 PM

“He doesn’t have to play to get reelected anymore, which is huge,” said Chicago supporter Jim Slama, who first met Obama in 2001. “It frees him to be who he is.”…

Yup. Benito Mussolini. Barackito Obamalini, Destroyer of the World!

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Obama isn’t a responsible person. Listen to what he says. Look at the deficit. He’s a disaster.

Paul-Cincy on November 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Women just set themselves back 50 years. They have just lost control of their own choices. The Julia party has a talibanesque outlook on women.

tomas on November 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I agree.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I agree too, sharrukin

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Noelie on November 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM

i gather you don’t agree with me. i’ll offer another opinion.

I think we will stay Don Quixote.

gerrym51 on November 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I thought maybe just maybe there was a chance with Romney/Ryan but now I say take it down as quickly as possible. No small buisness person I know is planning to grow, everyone is hunkered down and trying to fly under the radar. The uncertainty continues, Obamacare is happening, morality has crashed and burned.

ldbgcoleman on November 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I’m wondering,has America really changed,or is it the Democrat Party/MSM Proxies,that have stolen the Narration,in there NeverEnding Perception/Deception and OnGoing Operations,

at making it looks as if America has shifted!!

Jus say’n!

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I won’t comply. See ya in the camps.

wolly4321 on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The GOP will Betrayus in General.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

government spending boosts the economy
regulation strengthen business
taxes are patriotic and boost the economy

go for it libs. make it count. go for the gold. make us perfect.

tom daschle concerned on November 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

And the GOP for far too long has been the “We lost. But we lost HONORABLY” Party. The Dems play by no rules, but we are hamstrung by our self imposed hurdles.

Exactly. Its the death wish we hear so often when people say…’we are better than that‘. A convincing argument if you want to be a priest but in the real world you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you want it to be.

If they bring Black Panthers, We bring Retired Marines.

If they throw out our poll monitors, we throw theirs out in Our areas.

If the MSM media works for them, we have our media work for us.

The nation is burning, but we keep losing because we fail to be proactive, just react to what the libs have done.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Those remedies would require the GOP to both have some courage in them, and to be on our side, and I don’t think either of those things are true.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

No.. everyone’s taxes go up. The 47% have to start contributing something to this country.. m’kay. Let it burn.

Illinidiva on November 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Fore!

d1carter on November 10, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Yes. Grid your loins.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You were right when no one would listen and some mocked you for your persistence. Let them mock you at their peril from this day forward.

My hats off to you, Comrade.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I think everyone is going Galt. Is that true?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

The GOP will Betrayus in General.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Conservative SpeakEasy…..

See ya in the underground..

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I’m wondering,has America really changed,or is it the Democrat Party/MSM Proxies,that have stolen the Narration,in there NeverEnding Perception/Deception and OnGoing Operations,

at making it looks as if America has shifted!!

Jus say’n!

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Most people still get most of their news, and hence their sense of reality, from the demofascists’ propaganda ministers in the anti-truth MSM and Fox ain’t worth much at getting out the truth.

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Yes. Grid your loins.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM


Grid your lions.

Paul-Cincy on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Tax rate hikes now.

Tax rate hikes now.

Tax rate hikes now.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this election seems hinky?

I get the feeling deep down that we’re victims of some sleight of hand.

Maybe the numbers tally but the vote and the process doesn’t pass the first person smell test.

Obama’s the worst performing President perhaps of all time and he wins opposed to a more than reasonable challenger?

Noooo, somethings not right. I realize it doesn’t have to make sense but the rotten smell is a give away.

Or am I dreaming?

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I do not really care now at this point. Feel free to elect Obama’s to all public offices in the nation. I am no longer going to support the Republican party, even the conservatives in it just are not worth it. I was pretty sure I was just going to do this for any progressives you pick for me, but the truth is, the Republican party just is not conservative in the least any more. It only attracts the few conservatives that it has because it is marginally better than the Democrat party in throwing this nation’s future away. Supporting the party is nothing more than supporting the Democrats at this point. oh well, if as you all said, the nation could not survive 4 more years of Obama, then this will not much matter. There will not be an America for me to cast my vote in sometime in the near future.

If we cannot win elections putting up conservatives, and you cannot win an election when you get your most electable progressive (R), then there simply is no point to the Republican party. If the only answer the Republicans can offer is hate towards conservatives in every situation, we are just simply better off without you. Once the Republican party decays enough, a new party will grow to fill the void with out the degraded losers that many of the Republicans are.

We had congress and the presidency between January 2001 and January 2007 and a whole lotta good it did us. Instead of cutting the decay causing big government wealth transferring programs, we added to them.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

government spending boosts the economy
regulation strengthen business
taxes are patriotic and boost the economy

go for it libs. make it count. go for the gold. make us perfect.

tom daschle concerned on November 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

It’s like Business just gets in the way of Government.

Just think how effective Government can be if we eliminated Business..?

:)

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:05 PM

URKEL. Urkel will lead us. I’m so excited!

/Urkel.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:06 PM

We need to start compiling info, and gathering intel, on every dem NOW. Especially the second Clinton. I don’t want our next candidate to act like the insipid, child-King who was just re-elected – we can do that. I’m talking letters to the editor, bumper stickers, t-shirts, advertising, etc. Small potatoes? Yes. But start the ground game now. I’m angry at everyone about this loss, about losing the country thus far, and at the lack of a ground game. I thought I pulled my weight in this one. If I did…it wasn’t enough. And I’m sick over it.

Yellowdog12 on November 10, 2012 at 9:07 PM

astonerii on November 10

You can do this legally in WA and CO now.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:07 PM

“Americans as a whole have joined the rest of the Western world in voting themselves a lifestyle they are not willing to earn. The longer any course correction is postponed the more convulsive it will be. Alas, on Tuesday, the electorate opted to defer it for another four years. I doubt they’ll get that long.”

– Mark Steyn

Truer words never spoken. The people who voted Obama a second term will soon see the true meaning of their votes. Unfortunately, so will we.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Maybe we should be harder on the dems who are in office then the reps who didnt make it, just a thought. He won, you don’t think he is going to say that again?

mnkatie on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

You know what just chaps my hide?

535 A-holes control our lives, and they live only for themselves.

/Really?

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

The House should just say no and walk away. Belt tightening would do America a world of good. Let the cuts happen. If we make a deal they’ll never happen.

writeblock on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Or am I dreaming?

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

There was certainly a lot of “hanky panky” going on in Allen West’s district and I doubt that was an isolated case.

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:09 PM

It seems the money and credit on which the activity of the “federal” government depends will dwindle critically. It seems a dwindling of all sorts of dependency on that government will occur of necessity. In the meantime, it seems good to prepare by improving and safeguarding one’s family, friends, health, understanding, community, business, and church.

Marsili.us on November 10, 2012 at 9:09 PM

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Those remedies would require the GOP to both have some courage in them, and to be on our side, and I don’t think either of those things are true.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM

I hung out for Palin. Then she didn’t run.

If they don’t grow some stones, find a conservative candidate and get their act together then it’s time to look into independents.

And sorry after the behavior of the libertarians here it won’t be them either.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I think its the only way to go.

congma on November 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I think everyone is going Galt. Is that true?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

I’m in.

esr1951 on November 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Want some good news?

We have 30 Republican governors.

We run the full state legislatures in 27 states.

We hold one house of the legislature in 4 states.

We do so well at the state level yet so poorly at the federal level.

dforston on November 10, 2012 at 9:11 PM

I think everyone is going Galt. Is that true?

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Well I was going to buy a new car after Romney won, so looks now like I will keep my 2001 for a few more years.

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Let it burn.

Forty7 % solution…

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You were right when no one would listen and some mocked you for your persistence. Let them mock you at their peril from this day forward.

My hats off to you, Comrade.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:02 PM

ITA with VorDaj, but you forget that we were obliged to try. There’s nothing dishonorable in trying to do the practical thing.

We’ve done that. We tried now for two elections. Now it’s just silliness to keep on the same road.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You can exempt yourself from federal taxation.

Galt.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Want some good news?

We have 30 Republican governors.

We run the full state legislatures in 27 states.

We hold one house of the legislature in 4 states.

We do so well at the state level yet so poorly at the federal level.

dforston on November 10, 2012 at 9:11 PM

That’s the good news. The bad news is that Obama and his gang will continue to take more and more say away from the states.

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this election seems hinky?

I get the feeling deep down that we’re victims of some sleight of hand.

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

I agree there was a gaming of the system. Not to say people were hypnotized, but messages were poll tested, and then the winning messages were pushed. Nonsense, foolish, insignificant messages, that had nothing to do with anything. Kind of like hacking into a system by trying different passwords ’til you got in.

The object of the game was to win the vote. And they did. But, governing? Before, or after? No, not at all. Nothing. No governing whatsoever. No leadership whatsoever. No substantive plans of any sort. Tax the rich, yielding $70 billion a year, in the face of a $1,500 billion deficit and $4,000 annual budget. Meaningless, except to cripple small business, who’ll either fold, remain stagnant, and/or pass the cost onto the consumer.

A campaign with no plan, that had nothing to do with governing. They found the bank safe combination to unlock enough votes to get elected. Nothing beyond that.

Paul-Cincy on November 10, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

No, you aren’t alone, but don’t say it too loud or you’ll be called a conspiracist or idiot.

The numbers have never added up right, imho. West is still out there trying to make sense of his district, but it seems the GOP at large has gone into hibernation.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 9:14 PM

The lions share of the blame belongs to the left, but the GOP did their part as well. They have been content to be slapped around by the left for too long, and have embraced ‘compassionate conservatism’ in the hopes of getting a few less Pimp Hands from the media, and enticing the leftist voters. It never works, and they never stop trying.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I agree.

And the GOP for far too long has been the “We lost. But we lost HONORABLY” Party. The Dems play by no rules, but we are hamstrung by our self imposed hurdles.

If they bring Black Panthers, We bring Retired Marines.

If they throw out our poll monitors, we throw theirs out in Our areas.

If the MSM media works for them, we have our media work for us.

The nation is burning, but we keep losing because we fail to be proactive, just react to what the libs have done.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

We have to use economics, too. There should be more calls to boycott companies that do business with Democrats and their propaganda outfits.

Organize! Organize! Organize!

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM

You can exempt yourself from federal taxation.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Maybe we should all become part of the Cherokee tribe. Apparently it’s not that hard. We get free Harvard degrees to boot.

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Truer words never spoken. The people who voted Obama a second term will soon see the true meaning of their votes. Unfortunately, so will we.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Unlike the Obama Administration when it came to Benghazi..

I am going to be prepared.

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I’m getting really tired of all this “soul searching” by Republicans. When Democrats lose, they never soul search. The media just says that the voters threw a temper tantrum.

At least the Jay Cost article, which looks at history, is hopeful.

But for now: Embrace the cliff, baby!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM

You can do this legally in WA and CO now.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I do not follow? Independents voting in the republican primary? It is not like those two decide much if that is what you mean.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Truer words never spoken. The people who voted Obama a second term will soon see the true meaning of their votes. Unfortunately, so will we.

TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

They will never see it coming, they are blinded by free stuff and the perfect utopia.

We, on the other hand, know what is coming and need to prepare accordingly. I think I’m getting out of the stock market and will be opening a bank account in Slovakia when I go home for holiday.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I agree.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I agree too, sharrukin

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 8:52 PM

SparkPlug:Sounds logical to me,and so,

The YEA’s have it:)

canopfor on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

A campaign with no plan, that had nothing to do with governing. They found the bank safe combination to unlock enough votes to get elected. Nothing beyond that.

Paul-Cincy on November 10, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Looters 2012

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

If they don’t grow some stones, find a conservative candidate and get their act together then it’s time to look into independents.

And sorry after the behavior of the libertarians here it won’t be them either.

kim roy on November 10, 2012 at 9:10 PM

The libertarians have too much of the liberal in them to be reliable. Liberalism doesn’t work. It’s that simple and saying that the nation is becoming more liberal and we have to adapt to that doesn’t change the fact that liberalism doesn’t work.

I wouldn’t be all that surprised if we see a Unity government between the Republicans and Democrats when things start going south.

I don’t know who can, or will step up to challenge the liberal world-view that prevails in both parties.

sharrukin on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

hmmm, Obama wins and Alabama loses

I thought it would be the other way around

Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Maybe we can get Frances Pliven to give us some tips :)

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Most people still get most of their news, and hence their sense of reality, from the demofascists’ propaganda ministers in the anti-truth MSM and Fox ain’t worth much at getting out the truth.

VorDaj on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

It’s the media working lock step with the dictator. Sick bastards.

the_nile on November 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

I can hear the coming of the Gods of the Copybook Headings and they come for us all and the earth will shake.

ajacksonian on November 10, 2012 at 9:19 PM

The House should just say no and walk away. Belt tightening would do America a world of good. Let the cuts happen. If we make a deal they’ll never happen.

writeblock on November 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Yup. We want everything, Mr. President. Everything.

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Am I the only one who thinks this election seems hinky?

I get the feeling deep down that we’re victims of some sleight of hand.

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Let’s look at it this way:

Yes, as usual, there was filthy ‘rat voter fraud. Maybe in a couple of states enough to turn them to Romney.

But dude, what part of the last 4 years made anyone want more of it?

obama got 3 million more votes than Romney

Friends, it should not have been that close, voter fraud notwithstanding.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

So..
Are those Styrofoam Greek columns coming out of storage?

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Speakup on November 10, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The evidence is overwhelming that Florida was stolen, in one county (St. Lucie) where the turnout was 146% If we don’t address this rampant fraud and cheating, then all the naval-gazing in the world isn’t going to help us win.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Looters 2012

faraway on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Snicker

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:21 PM

. I think I’m getting out of the stock market and will be opening a bank account in Slovakia when I go home for holiday.

JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

You will never be President..
Foreign investment…:)

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:21 PM

So..
Are those Styrofoam Greek columns coming out of storage?

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:20 PM

PUKE

Hello my friend :)

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

We have to use economics, too. There should be more calls to boycott companies that do business with Democrats and their propaganda outfits.

Organize! Organize! Organize!

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Absolutely. The libs are for more organized than we are.

L.I.B. (Let.It.Burn.)

Then we fight Fire with Fire.

portlandon on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

I do not follow? Independents voting in the republican primary? It is not like those two decide much if that is what you mean.

astonerii on November 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM

I was just trying to be funny, a stoner too.

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

How can 535 A-holes control 300 Million peeps?

And why do we let them?

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Hello my friend :)

gophergirl on November 10, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Good evening..

Electrongod on November 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM

But for now: Embrace the cliff, baby!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Thelma and Louise FTW! Woo! :-D

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Thelma and Louise FTW! Woo! :-D

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

What does FTW mean?

Lanceman on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I wonder if we’ll have to pay for another Obama Extravaganza re-inauguration ceremony? You know, just to rub it in and all that.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM

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