Rice: GOP has to address changing demographics of US

posted at 12:11 pm on November 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appeared on CBS’ This Morning to do what everyone else is doing — providing a post-mortem on what happened Tuesday, as well as a look forward into the GOP’s future. Rice also gave some insight into Syria, China, and spent quite a bit of time talking about what we need to find out about the terrorist attack on Benghazi:

National Journal picks up the thread of Rice’s arguments on demographics:

Rice said on CBS’s This Morning that many key GOP issues are broadly popular – fiscal responsibility and a strong national defense, for instance – but the Party is losing “important segments of the electorate” because it has not adjusted to changing demographics.

“The changing demographics in the country really necessitates an even bigger tent for the Republican Party,” Rice said. “What we have to do is appeal to those people not as identity groups, but understanding that if you can get the identity issue out of the way then you can appeal on the broader issues that all Americans share concerns for.”

Some have argued that this is a call for the GOP to pander on identity, but I agree with Ben Howe:

You cannot expect people to join your party without making an argument about how their policies and philosophy will make their lives better.  And that cannot be done from 30,000 feet, either.  We do very well explaining about how we are the party of liberty and individual empowerment, but what does that mean in the neighborhoods of urban areas with high unemployment and poor government services?  What policies specific policies have we offered on the ground that will positively impact the lives of those voters who went 70% or more to the Democrats?

That doesn’t mean adopting the Democratic platform.  It means putting conservative principles into concrete policy that acts locally as well as nationally.  We may have scoffed at the Main Street/Wall Street rhetoric of the Occupy Movement and Barack Obama, and we may oppose the “free stuff” policies that rhetoric services, but we can’t win these votes by simply decrying class warfare.  Tuesday proved that much.

Rice also talked about Benghazi, and had some interesting insight into what specifically we should probe.  She’s less concerned about the “shifting stories” the White House produced in the first two weeks, having been the customer of some shifting intel data herself during crises.  Rice says we need answers on why the Obama administration apparently ignored months of warnings about security in Benghazi, and especially why the White House didn’t respond during the attack itself.


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LBJ locked in the N-word vote for 200 years

problem is, that kind of pandering and duplicity is Librul territory

Slade73 on November 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM

If the GOP adopts racism and Communism as its official platform, then there will be no difference between the two parties.

logis on November 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM

rogerb likes to post others comments in ways that emphasize some internal contradiction or hypocrisy…
 
libfreeordie on November 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

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The amount of undisguised racism on this thread is truly delightful.
 
urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM

 

Arabs burning things is a “man bites dog” story if there ever was one
 
urban elitist on November 8, 2012 at 9:13 AM

rogerb on November 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Wonder if he will be on time…

He’s on demographic time silly.

Mr. Arrogant on November 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM

The irony is, most minorities are conservative anyway. As a black Republican – who also happens to be an atheist – this infuriates me. I can tell you that most of them didn’t vote for Obama because they agree with his stance on global warming, abortion, and gay marriage. They voted for them because he looks like them and so does his family. You want to counter that? Run a qualified minority on the ticket in 2016.

mazer9 on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

This is a complete farce. Blacks will vote for the Democrat, no matter what. No matter how corrupt. I will give you a perfect example. Wayne Winsley, a black republican, ran against Rosa Delauro in CT’s 3rd House district which is mostly urban. Here are his qualifications:

Wayne served in the United States Navy, achieving the naval rank of Petty Officer. During his enlistment, Wayne was trained as a jet engine mechanic, military police officer, and special weapons handler.

Wayne has had a successful career as a private investigator.

Wayne is also a veteran broadcaster who has been heard on the radio throughout Connecticut for over twenty years. For ten of those years, he is a former morning news anchor on 1350AM WNLK/WSTC in Norwalk and WICC 600AM in Bridgeport. For the other ten years, he was the host of his own talk show, The Wayne Winsley Program on WINE 940AM in Danbury.

In 2003, he took on a more active role in the community when he was elected President of the Danbury chapter of the NAACP.

Wayne is also an author. His first novel, an FBI thriller entitled The Leprechaun Deception, was published in 2005.

In 2010, he served as communications director and spokesman for the gubernatorial campaign of Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton and as a Coalition Chairman for the gubernatorial campaign of Candidate Tom Foley.

Frankly I don’t know how you could be better qualified. Now Delauro is popular and a long time incumbent. No one expected Winsley to win but he got crushed as badly as any white candidate 75-25. There are likely no exit polls for that specific race but I would be very surprised if he got any more of the black vote than Mitt Romney did.

The only issue that might ever peel off some Black votes from the democrats is Black/Hispanic relations.

Rocks on November 9, 2012 at 12:51 PM

rogerb on November 9, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Heh.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Just don’t expect me to support know-nothing bureaucrats (Obama) taking my taxpayer dollars and giving them to some moronic woman wanting a free cell phone.

Aizen on November 9, 2012 at 12:48 PM

keep Obama in president

Slade73 on November 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Rice was arguing GOP need to compete the same voting block with the Dems by giving them the same freebies. ===> pandering.

But Ed argues “the message needs messaging” and call it ‘outreach’.

Those people listen to you to find out there’s not freebies, it’s all going to take 1 minute or less.

Sir Napsalot on November 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

republican RINOGASM happening today.

The Bush royal family has announced the next Governor of Texas.

Condoleeza will be singing his praises in 5…..4…..3….

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121109/DA2E8UH83.html

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I actually agree on Rice on this. If we can just find a way to penetrate identity politics, I think we could appeal to the demographics we struggle with far more effectively.

Thats, a big, IF though. I mean, take African Americans for example. How do you convince somebody that they shouldn’t support a party, just because their father and grandfather supported that party? I’m a fairly persuasive guy, I’ve been able to make a lot of people rethink liberal positions over the years. For the life of me however, I’ve never ONCE been able to penetrate identity politics.

I know it has to be doable, but dangit, I just don’t know how!

WolvenOne on November 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Face it. We now have an “American Idol” electorate.
Who is cooler? Quality and principles mean nothing.

Droopy on November 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM

excellent Rogerb

Slade73 on November 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM

but what does that mean in the neighborhoods of urban areas with high unemployment and poor government services?
Well stated, Ed.

dedalus on November 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Newt Gingrich worked hard to get Welfare Reform passed under Clinton.

This made a real positive difference for these urban areas where many were able to get jobs.

Unfortunately GW Bush and the Republican Congress undid much of what Newt had accomplished and Obama undid the rest.

For now the GOP is just a lite version of the DNC. Becoming more like them will just assure the end of the GOP.

Steveangell on November 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM

The unfortunate reality is that most black people do not trust the Republicans. They see them the same way they have for decades, that is, as the party of rich white people, and big business. And remember, most people, particularly Democratic voters, know very little about basic economics. The school system does not teach economics for the most part until college, which most people do not attend.

This view of Republicans has not changed and probably will not until their collective economic circumstances are so dire and desperate, that it forces them to look in the other direction for help. It seems that this characterization is also true of the majority of other minority groups in the country. They seem to believe that Republican policies do not benefit them at all, but only take stuff away. It doesn’t matter that it is not true; that is the image in their mind. Even when black Republicans are in office, such as Allen West, Condi Rice, and others, it makes no difference, as these people are viewed as sell-outs to their race, by the majority of their race. It simply doesn’t matter that Allen West is right on policy, and is a war hero. In short, facts have no impact on the perception. The liberal establishment has successfully coopted the public school system, and most colleges, and the mass media, for so long now, that they have convinced 40% of the populace that capitalism is evil. Hence, they now vote for socialism, wrongly thinking that it is a better system for people.

Frankly, I do not have a solution to propose for the Republican side. Pandering will simply mean becoming Democrat “light.” Why would any Democrat vote for Democrat “light” when they can have the “real” thing.

It seems that the American people, particularly middle class Democrats, may have to experience tremendous pain, meaning a dramatic decline in the standard of living for most Americans; in effect, the destruction of the middle class, under Democratic Party control of the entire government, before identity politics, which the Democratic party successfully practices, is no longer an effective political strategy. The full implementation of Obamacare may accomplish this end, as unemployment increases dramatically, and people begin to feel the effect of the loss of medical care as they have known it.

SheetAnchor on November 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Boy oh boy does the GOP fall for the media writing the narrative or what? We’re told by the media within minutes of the election being called that the GOP needs to understand new demographics. There’s no serious look at data. This just shows that Condi is like 99% of the rest of the professional top tier political hacks. They don’t have a clue what they’re doing, and they are all too eager to let the media tell them what the rules are. Amazing.

SuperBunny on November 9, 2012 at 12:17 PM

THE gop IS DEAD….

….until the media is taken over it’s pointless.

Jesus Christ would be torn to shreds by the media today as a “religious extremist”, “intolerant”, “limited government conservative”, etc.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM

I wonder if a good percentage of black takers see the impending hispanic tsunami as a threat- to the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed too? Perhaps the GOP could leverage that…

Mr. Arrogant on November 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Because his failure to campaign for their votes, combined with his infamous 47% remarks to his donors, made it pretty clear that he did not mean them too.

If a black person see’s himself as part of that “47%” they are a lost cause anyway.

mazer9 on November 9, 2012 at 12:45 PM

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Thats another Lucy with Charlie Brown’s Football- just like winning Pennsylvania. Mitt was dead on about the 47%- and Republicans WILL NEVER SEE THE 47% VOTE- EVER

And WHY ?

Because the Commies always MOVE the target—- SURE- Get the Republicans to get on Board with the DREAM ACT- OK – WERE NOW FOR THE DREAM ACT !!!!!
and then watch the commies will move FURTHER LEFT and DEMAND for OPEN BORDERS – Republicans will then say”no, no, no” – and Hispanics and the 47% will get mad and Republicans are still RACISTS who wont reach out.

As Samuel L. said – WAKE THE EFF UP ! you can’t win their game.

You must starve their beast.

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Bish, my friend, just spend a little time on the 96 bus early one morning, and you’ll sound like you we’re born in Chocolate City in no time. And, while you’re there, you can tell all the people who got up at 5am to go to their low-paying service industry and blue collar jobs, how lazy they are. That’ll get your boys some votes.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

no idea what bus 96 is, am guessing a commuting thing or something, but the problem with this is (and you refuse to even acknowledge it) that this system ensures that they will ride that bus for the rest of their sorry lives, which is the only way the libs secure a solid electorate in this country these days…and you love this coz it brings your side more votes, but these people along with their off-springs will always be 96 bus riders. and they have people with your mentality to thank.

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 12:57 PM

The amount of undisguised racism on this thread is truly delightful.
urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM

And perhaps long overdue

tommyboy on November 9, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Where does Rice get the idea that fiscal responsibility is popular?

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 12:58 PM

rogerb likes to post others comments in ways that emphasize some internal contradiction or hypocrisy…

libfreeordie on November 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

doh :-)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Outreach is nice

But we also need to get into the politics of destruction.

The left vilifies us. Racists. Greedy corporate pigs.

It’s time we do the same to them

blatantblue on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I actually agree on Rice on this. If we can just find a way to penetrate identity politics, I think we could appeal to the demographics we struggle with far more effectively.

Thats, a big, IF though. I mean, take African Americans for example. How do you convince somebody that they shouldn’t support a party, just because their father and grandfather supported that party? I’m a fairly persuasive guy, I’ve been able to make a lot of people rethink liberal positions over the years. For the life of me however, I’ve never ONCE been able to penetrate identity politics.

I know it has to be doable, but dangit, I just don’t know how!

How can you do it without pandering? Please tell me what issues are affecting black people that aren’t impacting everyone else? We are all in the same boat. Only a proper education will create opportunity and everyone has access to the public school system. I’m a product of it. I’m black and doing just fine relatively speaking…

mazer9 on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Bish, my friend, just spend a little time on the 96 bus early one morning, and you’ll sound like you we’re born in Chocolate City in no time. And, while you’re there, you can tell all the people who got up at 5am to go to their low-paying service industry and blue collar jobs, how lazy they are. That’ll get your boys some votes.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Oh I have no doubt I would pick up a local twang were I to live in a particular location for any longish amount of time, the question is how stupid I would sound if I moved to London and the next day affected a Liverpool accent.

Stupid as in Bark and Killary affecting an accent every time they speechified to an urban black audience but sounding completely different talking to Iowa farmers the next day.

As to those 0500 bus riders, I would ask them how they like their low-paying jobs because under Barky’s watch that’s all they will ever have, if that.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

THE FINAL BATTLE for the future of the United States will be fought in Tejas in 2014.

George P. Bush versus the dwarf of San Antonio Mayor Castro.

If Bush wins he’ll run in 2016 for the White House. If Castro wins he’ll be the Veep nominee of the Dems. That will be the moment that Texas turns blue. And that will be the end.

This long march to obliterate the U.S. Borders began way back with “a new World Order” in his 1988 acceptance speech. And NAFTA and all the work since (open borders) has worked to merge Mexico and the U.S. It’s been slowly but it’s here.

Texas is the new ground zero friends.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:00 PM

A bigger tent? LOL. Oh, Ms. Rice thanks for the chuckle. How’s that strategy worked the last 20 years? The RNC is like a failing restaurant with crappy food whose big idea to save the place is to make the portions of food no one likes even larger.

I’ll take a stab what they mean by bigger tent – it means they’re planning a “freebies” bidding war for minorities using Whites money, and amnesty (“I wonder why we’re losing the blue color vote? Golly, I dunno” – Maybe because the illegals bid those jobs down so low it’s easier to be on the Dem welfare plantation?). See how that works out for ya RNC. At least the commie dems are honest about wanting to take all our money. Make sure to get those resumes updated during your coffee breaks.

I’m so done with these tools. They never learn. What an embarrassment you are Republican party. Die quickly.

Kungfoochimp on November 9, 2012 at 1:00 PM

That doesn’t mean adopting the Democratic platform. It means putting conservative principles into concrete policy that acts locally as well as nationally. We may have scoffed at the Main Street/Wall Street rhetoric of the Occupy Movement and Barack Obama, and we may oppose the “free stuff” policies that rhetoric services, but we can’t win these votes by simply decrying class warfare. Tuesday proved that much.

So, in other words, dumb it down so that stupid greedy people can understand.

Look at who are those coming up in the GOP, those who spoke at the convention…. plenty of those minorities that supposedly are absent from the party. I’m sick and tired of all this discussion that the GOP is a bunch of racists. That clearly isn’t the case but when some filthy Democrat gets treed by the facts it will scream racist and the GOP generally doesn’t challenge the accusation. That has to change. When some foul liberal screams racism- get in their face and make them back down by any means necessary. This is war.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM

75 million pot smokers…

just sayin’

Slade73 on November 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Rice says we need answers on why the Obama administration apparently ignored months of warnings about security in Benghazi, and especially why the White House didn’t respond during the attack itself.

That’s what FOX (and very few others) have been trying to do for 2 months now, to no avail. The president ignores any questions about it, hasn’t spoken to the people about it, hasn’t held a press conference about it, and now he’s off to Asia instead of addressing it. What a cowardly president he turned out to be.

scalleywag on November 9, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Frankly, I do not have a solution to propose for the Republican side. Pandering will simply mean becoming Democrat “light.” Why would any Democrat vote for Democrat “light” when they can have the “real” thing.

SheetAnchor on November 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM

BINGO.

There is ONLY one option, and that’s to oppose the Santa Claus politics of the Democrats. Molding the GOP into a Santa-esque party won’t get us any votes, because the Democrats will always have that voting block locked up. The only thing the GOP can do is better-articulate opposition to the politics of Santa Claus.

I’ll bet you anything the media starts a new narrative: “GOP HATES SANTA CLAUS”

Aizen on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

OT: NJ govt. now going after gas station owners for spiking prices. No understanding of economics found.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

75 million pot smokers…

just sayin’

Slade73 on November 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM

dang, that explains the 3 millions who didn’t show up to vote for Romney :-)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Biden and Hillary hit the “pretend you are something you are not” part of their mental program every morning.

Unfortunately, the “fuzzy logic” part of the algorithm changed their speech to a bad impersonation of black or southern diction.

I know a good number of blacks and I their accent in nice and contagious but it does turn off and on. The same thing is true in the deep south.

IlikedAUH2O on November 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Outreach is nice

But we also need to get into the politics of destruction.

The left vilifies us. Racists. Greedy corporate pigs.

It’s time we do the same to them

blatantblue on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

“nothing to fear from an Obama presidency” Mccain.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Condi – Why not just vote Democratic? It will be far easier.

bw222 on November 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM

The narrative is set and it’s no accident. Now that race/racism is associated with the dastardly act of taking a person and placing them in complete servitude to government handouts, I don’t see an easy way out.

The left wants a large – and ever growing – segment of the population to never have a shot at the real American Dream. Being given just enough to sqeak by is the new American Dream.

Yes, the left reaches out with 2 hands, a small pile of money in one hand and a set of chains in the other.

reaganaut on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

All of this talk about GOP “messaging” is a waste of time.

Like many others around here, I think the only way the “free stuff” crowd will learn anything is if they crash hard. Nothing can be done.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

OT: NJ govt. now going after gas station owners for spiking prices. No understanding of economics found.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

My favorite online PMAG purveyor ran out of the things, so I called him directly and threatened to sue him if he didn’t send me what I wanted.

He claimed he had none. Yeah sure, get some more, I have rights!

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Please tell me what issues are affecting black people that aren’t impacting everyone else? We are all in the same boat. Only a proper education will create opportunity and everyone has access to the public school system. I’m a product of it. I’m black and doing just fine relatively speaking…

mazer9 on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Inner-city blacks have higher unemployment, a greater number of males with no male role models in single family home, a greater drop out rate from high school, and a whole bunch of other social issues where they lag behind the nation in general.

Call it the Obamaphone factor. These people have been trained that only government can solve their problems at the same time they do nothing to substantively change the status quo. Being pandered to is considered an entilement by these people. They get severely irritated at talk about job creation or educational opportunity but assure them that they’ll get more benefits and they will be out there chanting O-BAM-A in a heartbeat. Greedy and stupid takers who don’t care where their free stuff comes from or what it does to the productive part of society.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

It is fascinating to watch libs interview Rice. They are very respectful and afraid. Wonder why? Libs are usually not shy in interviewing conservatives in a most disrespectful manner.

Charm on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Well, it’s just so original for her to say this. I mean, nobody is talking about this right now. /

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The trolls’ party won, yet they’re still here. Guess they just can’t tear themselves away. They’ve turned HOTAIR into a hotbed of uncivil comments on virtually every post. It’s starting to look just like Huffpo around here.

scalleywag on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

RE: The Royal Family… Perry will run for Gov again, maybe they’ll try to get the Lt. Gov slot…

phreshone on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I found one!

I had an “average white person” who voted for Senator McCain last time and not show this time tell me that they went in ’08 since they were scared when they got a glance at Obama.

They now realize he is not going to take their dog (or whatever) away and they don’t care about anything else and think I am a jerk if I do.

O’s granny lives!

IlikedAUH2O on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

The left wants a large – and ever growing – segment of the population to never have a shot at the real American Dream. Being given just enough to sqeak by is the new American Dream.

Yes, the left reaches out with 2 hands, a small pile of money in one hand and a set of chains in the other.

reaganaut on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

This is correct. But, this state of affairs will apply to all Americans–except our Overlords, of course.

It’s 1984.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Like many others around here, I think the only way the “free stuff” crowd will learn anything is if they crash hard. Nothing can be done.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

The free stuff crowd will be the first to riot after the crash.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Oh goody – Barry the celebrity is making his statement about “free stuff” – I mean, the “fiscal cliff.” Then he’s off on a trip to Europe! You go, Barry!!

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

I guess it was 1991 when Bush first used the term “new world order”. I had thought it was 1988.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

OT: NJ govt. now going after gas station owners for spiking prices. No understanding of economics found.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

There is one case where market doesn’t work and it’s natural shortages due to acts of God. Making profit is fine, but profiteering is disgusting. While I’m sure there are plenty of more things to do in New Jersey right, the fat b@st@rd is right in going after them.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The free stuff crowd will be the first to riot after the crash.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Yes, we will all have to protect ourselves from the “free stuff” crowd.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Aizen on November 9, 2012 at 1:03 PM

We saw what happens to the fiscal con/libertarian vote when the GOP went D-Lite in 2002-2006… And it sounds like they were still staying away from Romney… We need to clone Reagan not the Bushes

phreshone on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The free stuff crowd will be the first to riot after the crash.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM

And that’s when we can finally start working on that demographic problem…

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Yes, yes, yes to this! This is what drives me nuts. You’re either an American, or you are not. If not, then you don’t count, anyway.

MustLoveBlogs on November 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM

He claimed he had none. Yeah sure, get some more, I have rights!

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Lol. Yep–He deserves to go down. A regular Mitt Romney, if you ask me.

(On a serious side note: Funny that NJ govt. officials can’t understand that “spiking” prices due to a strangled supply actually helps to appropriately use (and conserve) that supply. It baffles me how oblivious to Economics 101 our government is.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM

This thread is disappointing.

I’ll repeat this until it’s been beaten into a couple thick skulls: Our enemies are professional race baiters, and they’re very good at it. Out side of Bush and McCain the GOP position on immigration has been basically to build a barrier, put more guards on the border and to scream “No amnesty!” When you’re opponents have had fifty years of practice at piting groups against each other we’re not exactly making it hard for them to point at us and say “They hate people who look like you.” The proof is in the declining share of the Latino vote we’ve received in the last three elections; Bush got 40%, McCain around 30% and Romney was down in the 20s. If the Democrats do with the Latino vote what they’ve done with the black vote then we’re sunk, and right now they’re on their way to doing it.

I’m also not so mildly racist that I’ll just write it off as “They all want free stuff.” Ed’s post is exactly right, and the first thing we do is stop giving the Democrats weapons to use against us. You can do a lot on immigration well short of amnesty like offer a special class of visas or allow establishment of residency (but not citizenship) so we turn people into taxpayers who are actually helping pull the cart a little instead of just using services when they need it.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I like Condi and what she says sounds so nice…“What we have to do is appeal to those people not as identity groups, but understanding that if you can get the identity issue out of the way then you can appeal on the broader issues that all Americans share concerns for.”

For dems/media every issue is traced to racial demagoguery piled on promises of benefits paid for by those racist republicans to resolve the unfairness.

DanMan on November 9, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I draw the conclusion that the majority of the religiously conservative DO NOT oppose abortion in cases of rape and it offends some to the point they are willing to see their party lose over it.
Marcus on November 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM

And yet the party keeps nominating candidates such as this, who cause large majorities of voters to flee in horror. Seems pretty self-defeating, as does the campaign against insurance coverage for birth control. No wonder women went for Obama by 12 points.

cam2 on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/santa-claus-will-keep-blithely-galloping-along.premium-1.476322

GREAT READ.

The man is an amazing orator. His victory speech was a masterpiece of ups and downs, of gestures and slogans, until his fans couldn’t control their joy.

But what if the words are as plentiful as sand and there’s nothing to eat? The real issues are the deeds and their results, and here much is unclear.

Four years ago, newly elected Barack Obama promised to extricate the U.S. economy from the doldrums, but he failed. The crisis is still troubling every household in the United States, and the U.S. economy is on the brink of an abyss.

In diplomacy, Obama didn’t stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions despite the threat to American interests. In social affairs, the gaps haven’t narrowed. Regarding the environment, he promised to solve global warming, but that hasn’t happened either. And on our patch, Obama promised to advance the peace process with the Palestinians, spoke about the 1967 borders and even called for a construction freeze in the settlements – but it’s one thing to speak and another thing to do.

I wasn’t surprised. Four years ago, on inauguration day, I wrote a piece here called “The alchemist.” Anyone who declares that he will get America out of its economic crisis by expanding budgets and greatly increasing spending, I wrote, is an alchemist in the best case and lacks economic understanding in the worst.

It’s allowed, even right, to take a key issue such as health insurance and carry out a significant reform. But you can’t in the same breath pump hundreds of billions of dollars into recovery programs, decrease mortgage burdens, raise salaries, increase tax benefits, expand the public sector, increase grants to the states, and so on.

Only someone who wants to be Santa Claus can act so irresponsibly. He has brought the U.S. economy to the brink of a monstrous deficit of 8 to 9 percent of gross domestic product in each of the past three years. The giant public debt there has reached 105 percent of GDP.

If Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz pushed us into these kinds of deficits and debts, we’d have been declared bankrupt a long time ago, and the kinds of demonstrations we see in Athens would be taking place here. But the world cuts the big U.S.A. some slack – for the time being. This will end one day in a huge global crisis that will make the crises in Greece and Spain look like holidays at Club Med.

Obama didn’t just increase spending without reason. He’s an ideologist who believes that the government knows better than the people what do with the money. He favors a budget that is larger, intervenes more and supervises more; this suppresses business activity.

The United States’ financial health didn’t improve over the past four years. Growth is low and unemployment is high. Millions have lost their jobs, homes, savings and pensions. Obama didn’t put the color back into America’s cheeks, which have become paler and more emaciated.

Some people say Obama will now have to change direction, to stop being Santa Claus and raise taxes. If he does this immediately, we may be saved from another huge global crisis. But since he’s an ideologue who wants a strong government that leads the way with enormous budgets, and since he sees himself as a savior who must dish out money and benefits, it will be very hard for him to change direction.

In his victory speech, Obama said “the best is yet to come.” That’s Obama. He’s addicted to the sound of the masses cheering. He loves the thunder of applause and the love that is poured on him from the rafters. So he won’t do what’s necessary. He won’t take the necessary measures and he won’t raise taxes enough. He only knows how to be Santa Claus.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Inner-city blacks have higher unemployment, a greater number of males with no male role models in single family home, a greater drop out rate from high school, and a whole bunch of other social issues where they lag behind the nation in general.

Call it the Obamaphone factor. These people have been trained that only government can solve their problems at the same time they do nothing to substantively change the status quo. Being pandered to is considered an entilement by these people. They get severely irritated at talk about job creation or educational opportunity but assure them that they’ll get more benefits and they will be out there chanting O-BAM-A in a heartbeat. Greedy and stupid takers who don’t care where their free stuff comes from or what it does to the productive part of society.

I think there is some merit to the “free stuff” crowd. However, a lot of black people simply voted for Obama because he is black. It’s like how some watch those Tyler Perry movie regardless of how bad they are.

mazer9 on November 9, 2012 at 1:16 PM

RE: The Royal Family… Perry will run for Gov again, maybe they’ll try to get the Lt. Gov slot…

phreshone on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Yep, that’s possible too.

But that would delay and Castro is going to run against Perry so if Castro wins that puts a damper on Bush moving up. And the Royal family is tired of waiting. They want results. It would be fun to see Perry run against Crown Prince George P.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM

(On a serious side note: Funny that NJ govt. officials can’t understand that “spiking” prices due to a strangled supply actually helps to appropriately use (and conserve) that supply. It baffles me how oblivious to Economics 101 our government is.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I love free market, but allowing profiteering from unexpected natural shortages is the matter of law & order. Imagine having an insulin-dependent child amid sudden a shortage of insulin supply. When the retailer raising the price hundredfold to make a quick and hefty buck, you, a loving father, will be the first to point a rifle at him – and now imagine EVERYONE doing it.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

There is one case where market doesn’t work and it’s natural shortages due to acts of God. Making profit is fine, but profiteering is disgusting. While I’m sure there are plenty of more things to do in New Jersey right, the fat b@st@rd is right in going after them.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I don’t know about that.

First, what is the line between profit and profiteering? Who draws the line?

If I’m unfairly gouging folks–natural disaster or not–one of my competitors will gouge less, and I’ll lose business. I’ll have to lower my prices. (Collusion between all suppliers is a problem, I’ll admit.)

Also, if something that normally costs $4 suddenly costs $10, people will consume less. (You know this, of course.) Instead of buying 10 units, I’ll only buy 2. The other 8 units are left over for another person.

I know you know all of that. But, the point that price control by government never works can’t be emphasized enough, IMO.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:19 PM

the question is how stupid I would sound if I moved to London and the next day affected a Liverpool accent.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

aFFECTING Scouse in London :-), not a good idea, you would be banished from the city, mate :-) they love their estuary English along the river Thames :)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:19 PM

and now imagine EVERYONE doing it.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Yeah. I do see your point. (As I mentioned, collusion amongst all suppliers would be a problem.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:21 PM

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83637.html?hp=r6

George P. Bush — the son of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and nephew of former President George W. Bush — filed initial paperwork required for candidates planning to run for statewide office in Texas. Bush, 36, who is Hispanic, has been urged for years to run for office. Here are a few facts about the younger Bush:

1. Co-founder of the Hispanic Republicans of Texas, a PAC that recruits and supports conservative Republicans in local and state elections.

2. Intelligence officer in the U.S. Navy Reserve, he went to Afghanistan in 2011.

3. His mother is a Mexican immigrant and naturalized U.S. citizen, and he is fluent in Spanish.

4. Declined earlier this year to say which office he’d run for, but said “politics is in his blood.”

5. Has urged his party to move toward George W. Bush’s position on immigration reform.

6. Co-chairman of MaverickPAC, which supports primarily young Republican candidates in races across the country.

7. Florida native who graduated from Rice University and the University of Texas law school, where he met his wife.

8. Responded, “Not if I have anything to do with it” when asked whether Texas will become a Democratic state in presidential elections in the next decade.

9. Supporters in Texas have said Bush will vie for the Texas land commissioner or attorney general.

10. Former George W. Bush adviser Mark McKinnon has dubbed him “47,” referring to his potential presidential number.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

the question is how stupid I would sound if I moved to London and the next day affected a Liverpool accent.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I think if you want to live in London these days, you’re supposed to affect an arabic accent.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Condi, Krauthammer, Kristol et al. dancing to the liberal media’s tune.

Where is the purge of RINOs promised by so many HA stalwarts once Mitt lost? Condi is right on the top of my list!

kingsmill on November 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Looks like it’s all planned.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Blacks as a whole are an unreachable voting bloc. It is due to 50 years of brainwashing and teaching hatred toward republicans. None of my black friends would vote for Allen West, Condi Rice, Tim Scott, Mia Love or even Jay Z if they run as a republican. They are labeled sellouts, Uncle Tom’s,and worse.
You cannot reverse that kind of entrenched bigotry and racism that is taught from the cradle to the grave.

Hispanics ARE reachable. But you better reach them now or you could see the same type of thing happen. Especially with the anmnesty bunch who will be here whether we like it or not. Those currently here can be reasoned with. Romney got 25% of them this election. You can get another 25% with messaging, outreach and the current leading Hispanics in the party, Martinez,Sandoval, Cruz and Rubio.

Since Hispanics will eventually become the majority in this country, it is in our best interest to do this now, not only for ourselves, but our children and grandchildren.

We are going to have to proactive and move on this. We don’t have to sell our souls or principles to do it either.

Rockshine on November 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Outreach is nice

But we also need to get into the politics of destruction.

The left vilifies us. Racists. Greedy corporate pigs.

It’s time we do the same to them

blatantblue on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Agree 100%

We just tried the positive presidential campaign. Romney told everyone how nice a person he is, how he would bring people together, how his economic polices would help all Americans, etc., etc…..Only a few time he went on the attack.

Obama, the Democrats, and their media/entertainment machine on the other hand attacked Romney all the time, accused him of almost every sin in the book, from not paying his taxes, to killing wives with cancer, supporting rape, hating women, being a wild racist, and belonging to a “weird cult”. They rarely said anything positive about what they planned to do.

Now…who won the election?

I am not saying you don’t go completely negative like Obama did. That is too far, but you better show some negativity and creatively.

How about this, why did Romney or Republicans not run an ad on the U.S. government gun running to drug lords in Mexico. You could have run ads showing Mexicans being gunned down, showing a terrified Mexican mother holding her baby crying, etc. and tied it all to Obama and his administration demanding Obama end the cover up and hinting he don’t care about Mexican lives because he is racist. You could have variations of the ad in Spanish in places like Florida and New Mexico. You could have also run variations of the ad adding that it was really all about destroying gun rights and other freedoms in America which would sell well in some swing states.

Come on GOP get mean…get aggressive…find the most striking heresies and cut the dems and Obama to pieces before the American public. Run ads and run them all the time. It is the only way right now we can get around the MSM and entertainment industry to the uninformed voter.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

We just tried the positive presidential campaign.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Twice.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

If I’m unfairly gouging folks–natural disaster or not–one of my competitors will gouge less, and I’ll lose business. I’ll have to lower my prices. (Collusion between all suppliers is a problem, I’ll admit.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:19 PM

The difference is very simple. If you don’t have competitors (important – due to natural causes, not your particular ability to deliver) or collude with them to raise prices, it’s profiteering. It is actually in the law.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Bush 47′s wife (future FLOTUS).

http://www.jw.com/Amanda_L_Bush/

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

The only problem is the people we need to reach don’t care about our philosophy or policies.

They simply care about free shite. The ‘Free **** Army’ has spoken.

Yeah, I’m being a cynical jackhole but it seems to be true. I’m still down about Tuesday, obviously.

catmman on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

We just have to have tough skin at first. Starting a business isn’t easy, but you can repackage the same message to new people.

Get out of your comfort zone, but don’t back down.

tomas on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

RE: The Royal Family… Perry will run for Gov again, maybe they’ll try to get the Lt. Gov slot…

phreshone on November 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM

For someone who claims to not be a Democrat anymore, they sure act that way when they seek third and (God forbid) fourth terms.

I think now that the cat’s out of the bag about Rick Roosevelt’s poor debating skills, more Texans are figuring out why he kept skipping gubernatorial & primary debates… and I’m hoping enough big names in Texas GOP politics are going to tell him not to run again in 2014, and if he does he’s on his own.

To me Perry now looks like an entrenched good-ole-boy-network cronyist who has long overstayed his welcome. He should have declined to run in 2010 and groomed a replacement to take over for him. Those who wish to primary him out in 2014 better find ONE candidate and unite behind him/her so there’s no danger of the vote splitting. We need a fresh face in the Governor’s Office.

TMOverbeck on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I like Bush, his siblings and other relatives seem to be good men.

But no.

Just…no

catmman on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Frankly, I do not have a solution to propose for the Republican side. Pandering will simply mean becoming Democrat “light.” Why would any Democrat vote for Democrat “light” when they can have the “real” thing.

SheetAnchor on November 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM

That is exactly right. Even if we offered complete amnesty to illegals, the Democrats could (and I think would) one-up us by offering open borders, or reparations, or more affirmative action. We should think twice before jumping into a game of chicken with Democrat panderers.

Burke on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Outreach is nice
But we also need to get into the politics of destruction.
The left vilifies us. Racists. Greedy corporate pigs.
It’s time we do the same to them
blatantblue on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Don’t be silly. How can you possibly vilify Democrats? Let’s think… Marxists? The population couldn’t care less. Adulterers? They seem to actively embrace the label. Racists? Good luck countering 15 years of school propaganda. Godless infidels? That sure worked for Elizabeth Dole in 2008. Anything else?

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I agree with Mr. Morrissey and Ms. Rice. The first time I voted Republican was 1990, when a young lawyer stood on a corner and reached out to shake every hand in the neighborhood. He said, “Hi, I’m Jack O’Malley, and I’m running for Illinois State’s Attorney. Can we talk for a minute?”

He won with around 30% of the black vote. Against a black incumbent, Cecil Partee.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Those seeking to rehabilitate or reshape the GOP don’t realize or accept that the brand is dead. The GOP jumped the shark with the nomination of the next in line Romney, a flip-flopping shape shifting political charlatan from the get-go, and yet another Dole/McCain. 2012 was the last chance for the GOP. Time to move-on. No money, no contributions, no volunteering.

RIP GOP

Tripwhipper on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Bush 47′s wife (future FLOTUS).

http://www.jw.com/Amanda_L_Bush/

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Color me impressed.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

How is it racist to say liberals want free stuff? Every time I see a video of liberals telling the camera what they want from Obama it’s always: free college, free contraceptives, free abortions, free medical care, free housing, free food. From all races of liberals, they want free stuff. There’s no denying that and it’s not racist.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

And boy do the voters now know that!

kagai on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The only problem is the people we need to reach don’t care about our philosophy or policies.

They simply care about free shite. The ‘Free **** Army’ has spoken.

Yeah, I’m being a cynical jackhole but it seems to be true. I’m still down about Tuesday, obviously.

catmman on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

No always true. The idea that they only care about free stuff is a theory being put forward by some Republicans on TV and Radio. I would say they are more emotional and thus can be swayed by the forces of reaction much more than those who spend all their time thinking about politics and government.

What to us might seem like a silly attack ad, like Romney hates Latinos or Women, works with these people because they are not as engaged in politics and because it is repeated over and over again to them. The GOP must not only refute those attacks by showing how our policies would benefit them, but much more important the GOP must attack the Dems among those groups, like “Obama killed Mexicans and does not care, Why…maybe he is racist”. If we can’t get them to vote for us, at least we can make the Dems look no better in their eyes and therefore depress turnout.

Of course I would prefer they vote conservative.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

It couldn’t possibly be that minorities voted for Obama for the same reasons that every state in mostly-white New England did. Nah, there has to be a more simplistic, patronizing explanation.

YYZ on November 9, 2012 at 12:26 PM
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and that reason was ???? …………

I’m waiting…………….

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Don’t be silly. How can you possibly vilify Democrats? Let’s think… Marxists? The population couldn’t care less. Adulterers? They seem to actively embrace the label. Racists? Good luck countering 15 years of school propaganda. Godless infidels? That sure worked for Elizabeth Dole in 2008. Anything else?

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Zing.

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Address changing demographics how?

This is an opposition attack line, like the way Republicans dig Dems for being weak on national security. It’s not a true criticism because there is no implied suggestion. When a Democrat says, “boy, those Republicans really have a minority problem,” what they’re really saying “Ha ha! We’re getting 95% of blacks and three quarters of Hispanics! Look at all these ______s on our side! Suck it, Republicans!”

People on our side who repeat it are self-identifying as idiots.

HitNRun on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Don’t be silly. How can you possibly vilify Democrats? Let’s think… Marxists? The population couldn’t care less. Adulterers? They seem to actively embrace the label. Racists? Good luck countering 15 years of school propaganda. Godless infidels? That sure worked for Elizabeth Dole in 2008. Anything else?

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The problem with us calling them Marxists vs them calling us racists is too few people know what a Marxist is while everyone understands racism. If we’re going to engage in namecalling we need more commonly understood terms.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

The left is engaged in a race war – oops! – I mean a demographics war against white Americans and they’ve largely already won that war. White Americans refuse to even admit it there is a war against them because to acknowledge it would mean we’re “racist.”

Great article: Is the GOP Headed for the Boneyard?

“Still, the GOP crisis is not so much illegal as legal immigration. Forty million legal immigrants have arrived in recent decades. Some 85 percent come from Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Most arrived lacking the academic, language and labor skills to compete for high-paying jobs.

What does government do for them?

Subsidizes their housing and provides free education for their kids from Head Start through K-12, plus food stamps and school lunches, Pell Grants and student loans for college, Medicaid if they are sick, earned income tax credits if they work and 99 weeks of unemployment checks if they lose their job.

These are people who depend upon government.

Why would they vote for a party that is going to cut taxes they do not pay, but take away government benefits they do receive?

Again it needs be said. When the country looks like California demographically, it will look like California politically. Republicans are not whistling past the graveyard. They are right at the entrance.”

Django on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM

HitNRun on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Is it your position that having our share of the vote of a rapidly expanding demographic reduced by a third in eight years is not problematic?

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Good luck countering 15 years of school propaganda.. Godless infidels? That sure worked for Elizabeth Dole in 2008. Anything else?

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

+ 100..Very good point..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

We just tried the positive presidential campaign.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Twice.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

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Love him or hate him…
Bill O’Reilly was and is spot on….

“People want stuff” in this culture.

Not a new concept at all, but a controlling one. We all want stuff. The modifier should be however, unlike 30-40 years ago, a MAJORITY of people would rather be given the stuff, or at least obtain stuff by the least possible means. And if the other guy has MORE stuff than you, you have been victimized. Figure

Ain’t that America, for you and me ?

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Is it your position that having our share of the vote of a rapidly expanding demographic reduced by a third in eight years is not problematic?

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

I didn’t say it was a problem, I just said there is no practical solution, at lest not one that involves political triangulation.

You want to pass amnesty? Obama takes the credit, or ups the ante and takes one more step left (more free ____, citizenship, voting rights), or more likely both, and you’re right back where you started

You want to be more open to handouts? (Never mind that the GOP had a turnout problem this cycle and that would make it much worse, starting with me.) Obama steps to the left, upping the ante and you’re right back where you started.

The fact is, we need to give Obama the policies he wants (that can be rolled back). The public needs to be educated. That will make up the 3% pretty quickly. At this rate, maybe by Christmas. Though unfortunately we can’t try again for 4 years.

HitNRun on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

One thing that all these “smart” GOP strategists are not thinking of is that outreach to the moochers will reduce the GOP white vote.

sauldalinsky on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Like many others around here, I think the only way the “free stuff” crowd will learn anything is if they crash hard. Nothing can be done.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I wish it were so simple, RedCrow, but history tells us that the worse everyone’s suffering, the more populism and corruption takes hold. Remember that FDR was elected to four separate terms, even following soup lines that stretched down the block and 25% unemployment. Hugo Chavez isn’t doing so bad either.

The worst part about a real catastrophe is that that is the time that people begin looking for a dictator to solve all their problems, and dictators aren’t usually Tea Party conservatives.

If we look at the very long view, though, we can be more hopeful. The collapse of Rome led to a thousand-year hell of plague, poverty, strife and slavery in the form of serfdom, but eventually the Renaissance emerged.

Burke on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

I didn’t say it was a problem, I just said there is no practical solution, at lest not one that involves political triangulation.

HitNRun on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Didn’t say it wasn’t* a problem, that should read.

HitNRun on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Too often people confuse outreach with pandering.

That pretty well sums it up..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Don’t be silly. How can you possibly vilify Democrats?
Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

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Food Stamp Party ??
errr, oops, no – Scratch that one. Sorry.

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

BS such as this is just pure insulting and racist. To say minorities are stupid and must be pandered to is disgusting at best. Want to know what R must do, get rid of these Party elite squishy lefty leaning creeps would be a very good start.

aposematic on November 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

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Bush 47 up against Chelsea Clinton…… won’t that be a hoot.

FlaMurph on November 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

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