Quotes of the day

posted at 10:17 pm on November 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

That Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of the electorate and a key swing vote in several toss-up states was well-known within the Romney campaign. That Republican opposition to immigration reform helped Democrats increase their appeal in the Hispanic community and take back the House in 2006 was also well established. Yet Romney’s team cultivated an unswerving belief that the torpid economy would sink Obama under its own weight and depress Latino support, even after the administration ordered temporary visas for Dream Act students.

Demographics—and Obama’s superior political machine—won the day. Republicans who have been sounding the alarm for years are wondering if Tuesday’s election will finally resonate as a clarion call.

“If we as Republicans had moved just a few percentage points of the Hispanic vote in states like Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Virginia, it could have thrown the election to Romney,” said former Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, a Cuban-American and past chairman of the Republican National Committee who fought for sweeping immigration reform. “This is not a choice. It’s either extinction or survival.”

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The president captured 48% of the Cuban-American vote in Florida—a record high for a Democrat, according to an exit poll by Bendixen & Amandi International, Mr. Obama’s Hispanic polling firm. Republican Mitt Romney received 52%…

Given his overwhelming support among Florida’s non-Cuban Hispanic voters, who make up a growing share of the electorate, Mr. Obama carried the state’s Latino vote overall by 61% to 39%, exceeding his margin in 2008 by seven percentage points. Together, both trends are accelerating a realignment of the state’s Latino vote, from once solidly Republican to now reliably Democratic, analysts say.

“The president has successfully picked the lock in Florida,” said Fernand Amandi, managing partner at the polling firm.

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The conservative base is smaller than it has been in three decades, with its share falling to 35% while liberals edged up to 24%, a narrowing advantage further diminished by the fact that about a fifth of that conservative base consists of blacks and Latinos who still overwhelmingly voted for Obama. The Republican conservative base seems perilously close to shrinking to white southern evangelicals, senior white males, and upper income Protestants

To be sure, a better crafted campaign would have filled in Romney’s policy goals more convincingly than the ritualistic invocation of five point plans and generic references to cutting regulation and producing more domestic energy. But that failure is not just a marketing flaw on the part of Romney’s ad men: it is a symptom of a modern conservatism that seems spent and resistant to innovation on some days, purely oppositional and reactive on other days. And the weightiest part of the recent conservative agenda, Paul Ryan’s budget plan, was barely mentioned and its details only intermittently defended. (The details of Ryan’s budget had their share of political pitfalls, but the scant attention to it by the Romney campaign surely contributed to the impression that the Republican wish list was being kept deliberately shadowy.)

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Each of the key groups in Obama’s coalition of the ascendant is growing in society—which means that they will provide an even greater advantage to Democrats over time unless Republicans start winning more of them. “When you have a younger generation with a different set of ideas, and a changing demographic in the country, there’s going to be a tipping point; and during that tipping point, the two sides are roughly at parity,” says Morley Winograd, a senior fellow at the Democratic advocacy group NDN and coauthor with Michael Hais of two books on the millennial generation. “But at some point, that parity goes away and the direction becomes very clear.… We think this coalition is not only ascendant but will be dominant.”…

After these results, the big question facing the GOP is whether it can improve its performance among minorities, especially Hispanics, without returning to George W. Bush’s support for immigration reform that provides a pathway to citizenship for those living here illegally. That policy shift would face impassioned resistance from conservatives. “Looks like a brawl coming soon,” says longtime GOP strategist Mike Murphy. “The question is: Will the party base accept these facts, since they chose to ignore similar facts after Obama’s election four years ago?”…

“That 28 percent [minority-vote share of the electorate] will be 31 percent probably in 2016, and then it will be 34,” notes Matt Barreto, a founder of Latino Decisions, a polling firm that specializes in Hispanic voters. To win future elections, Republicans will need to either improve their minority performance or win even higher percentages of whites. “So it’s either going to get scarier in terms of those huge racial divides,” he says, “or the Republicans are going to have to sit up and say, ‘How can we cut into the Latino, African-American, and the Asian-American vote?’”

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Maybe these people are convinced the larger GOP project can be saved simply by caving on just this one issue. That seems cracked. The bulk of the Hispanic electorate appears to instinctively vote Democratic, and not just because of immigration. (“[T]his is just a fairly liberal voting block.”) Maybe they can be wooed over to the Republican side over the course of decades. But by then there will be another wave of new, instinctively Democratic illegal immigrants (lured by the Boehner Amnesty) for Dems to appeal to. And the idea that the GOPs don’t have to change any of their other ideas if only they appease this one ethnic group (making up 10% of the electorate) is highly questionable, as David Frum has argued. … There were plenty of other reasons why Romney lost. (If he’d gotten McCain’s share of the Latino vote … he still would have lost.)…

A much better strategy would be to enact the enforcement measures (including a border fence and a system of employment checks), then wait a few years and see if they survive. If they do, sure, come up with some kind of amnesty. You could calmly pitch that plan to Latinos–it ends in the same place (amnesty). But that’s not the sort of sensible approach you will insist on if you are part of a stampede of panicked pols and consultants whose only goal is to pander to what they think Latinos want to make up for their shortcomings in other areas.

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If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

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To follow up on the question of whether Hispanics are held back from their natural Republican affinities by immigration-reform obstructionism, let’s not forget Obamacare. A Fox News Latino poll in September 2012 found that 62 percent of likely Latino voters backed President Obama’s handling of health care, including the Affordable Care Act. Only 25 percent of those voters wanted the act repealed. The Catholic Church’s strong opposition to the bill’s contraception mandate did not tip the Latino scales against it, dealing another blow to the myth of the “social values” Hispanic conservative. A Romney Spanish-language ad trumpeting Romney’s opposition to the Affordable Care Act showed that his strategists “don’t know what they are doing,” Latino pollster Matt Barreto told USA Today in August…

Out of sheer fatigue, I would almost be willing to support an E-Verify-preceded amnesty (starting with a DREAM Act that, unlike every extant version, disqualifies applicants with criminal records and requires serious educational attainment) in exchange for the elimination of chain migration and its replacement by a skills-based selection process. Congressional Democrats’ recent torpedoing of green cards for foreign Ph.D. science graduates, however, simply to preserve the “diversity” visa lottery shows how deep Democratic commitment to low-skilled immigration is. It would be risky to assume that they don’t know what they’re doing.

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It is prudent and sensible to favor amnesty for the remaining non-violent, long-term illegal aliens after a fully articulated enforcement system is in place and functioning and proven. But that will require some time, not just to staff up and put the physical and IT infrastructure in place but also to overcome the years-long scorched-earth litigation campaign the ACLU and its comrades will launch to stop all enforcement initiatives. (Or do you think they’ll feel bound by whatever illusory deal their congressional allies are compelled to settle for?)…

The Left understands much better the point of mass immigration. See, for instance, the comments of Eliseo Medina, vice president of the SEIU and an honorary chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America: “[Immigrants] will solidify and expand the progressive coalition for the future. . . . We will create a governing coalition for the long term not just for an election cycle.”

Conservatives shouldn’t be helping them do this.

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“This is a very, very dangerous area for Rubio if he has national aspirations,” said Roy Beck, head of the anti-immigration group Numbers USA. “You’ve had Republicans trying to do this in the past that really lost their status in the party once they did it.”…

In the aftermath of Tuesday’s elections, many Republicans believe they need to recalibrate and listen to Rubio. But while Rubio may be able to sway his Senate colleagues, his influence among House members is less certain.

“My gut is there are not too many Republicans who have been against comprehensive reform who will change positions,” said longtime pro-immigration activist Rick Swartz, who founded the National Immigration Forum. Reform “is easy to talk about but harder to get it done.”

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Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum charged Thursday that President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party held off on immigration reform so they could capitalize politically during the election.

“It did not get done, in my opinion, by this president because he wanted this as an issue,” Santorum said on Fox News’s “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.” “I don’t believe the Democrats are at all sincere about doing anything and compromising with Republicans on immigration.”…

“They would rather have the issue and continue to drive…this wedge between races and creeds and classes or whatever else they want to divide America,” Santorum said of the Democratic approach to the immigration issue. “That’s unfortunate. Let’s see if Barack Obama, in a second term, is serious about solving problems or wants to perpetuate politics.”

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On Feb. 11, 2011, the person who should have been the Republican nominee laconically warned conservatives about a prerequisite for persuading people to make painful adjustments to a rickety entitlement state. Said Indiana’s Gov. Mitch Daniels: “A more affirmative, ‘better angels’ approach to voters is really less an aesthetic than a practical one. With apologies for the banality, I submit that, as we ask Americans to join us on such a boldly different course, it would help if they liked us, just a bit.” Romney was a diligent warrior. Next time, Republicans need a more likable one.

And one who tilts toward the libertarian side of the Republican Party’s fusion of social and laissez-faire conservatism. Most voters already favor less punitive immigration policies than the ones angrily advocated by clenched-fist Republicans unwilling to acknowledge that immigrating — risking uncertainty for personal and family betterment — is an entrepreneurial act. The speed with which civil unions and same-sex marriage have become debatable topics and even mainstream policies is astonishing. As is conservatives’ failure to recognize this: They need not endorse such policies, but neither need they despise those, such as young people, who favor them.

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Via WaPo:

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Amnesty for whoever is here. And it’s gonna be blanket, and it’s gonna be pretty quick. That’s where we’re headed. So I want to get in the game. I want to propose EIB amnesty. And I’ll agree to it. Amnesty for every illegal citizen who is here. There’s just one caveat. In exchange for having all of the laws that have been violated forgiven…

In exchange for blanket automatic citizenship without having to take the test, without having to learn the documents… (You’re here. You’ve been here a number of years so you’re a citizen. That’s where we’re headed.) One caveat: You can’t vote for 25 years. And let’s see how much support that idea gets. Let’s see if amnesty is what really is desired. Let’s see if it’s citizenship that all of these compassionate Democrats really have in mind.

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She was probably crying because she’s afraid she might go to jail. Florida voters have to sign in by your name. There’s no way not to know that fraud is going on, because when that signature is there it stays there. You can visually see which names have already checked in to vote. Only one precinct was under 100%. That cannot be merely incompetence.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:31 AM

It’s in that St. Lucie country where Barry got 141% of the vote.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:25 AM

i wondered if that was his district…thanks..
and i know that target us….look at m bachmann…
they almost got her..

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:27 AM

It’s the county I’ve been ranting about. It’s in SE FL.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Still, I’m not convinced its ONLY a matter of choosing the right candidate. I think we have to re-examine our message, and also find a few things to offer short of amnesty to at least break the ice a little. You are right that Democrats will always offer more, but, seeing as we’ve lost ten percent of the Hispanic vote, we need to do something to at least start regaining a little of the ground we’ve lost.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:29 AM

I think the problem we had this year is the fact that Perry got into the primary and then Mitt jumped to his “right” on immigration. The Dems used that for sure.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:28 AM
thats why we need to explain our points ….s.l.o.w.l.y
your obama plone cost the country $XXX and
the program was managed at a cost of XXXX$…
that adds XXX$ to the debt which is owned by the chi-coms
and with interest will cost your grandchildren XXXX dollars
when the bill comes due…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:29 AM

The congressional district she was trying to win, was/is the most liberal in all of Utah. She still came within just a few thousand votes of winning.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM

My aunt had worked in the elections office for about five years before she ever ran for supervisor.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Ah. I see. I’m sure your aunt did a very competent job.

I thought he was trying to illustrate their general unpreparedness. I saw a video clip of the woman he was talking about. She was a little old lady and she looked a bit heartbroken. Still…

You should know/remember that I think MAJOR cheating (by the DEMOCRATS) went on in this election. I’m not happy about it. I hate cheaters! And folks who rig an election SHOULD BE SHOT. (I mean it, BTW.)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:35 AM

My point being, just nominate the person who can best articulate conservatism to ALL voters. We haven’t done a good job on that score.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:24 AM

this is my point…better explained that i could…
its ideas….tyvm 4grace

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Riff Raff

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM

bring in some marketing consultants

Judging by the clusterf*ck that turned out to be Project Orca, I think we’ve had enough of those.

Ozwitch on November 10, 2012 at 2:36 AM

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:27 AM

I’m not sure how much help West got from the RNC, and I know he’s not a favorite of the leadership. They think he’s a loose cannon. Personally, I love him. I’m a career military man and I’ve known a lot of guys like LtCol West. He’s a true leader.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Perhaps. I fear that you’re wrong. That the populace, in general, is simply too dimwitted to understand any of that. That they just want free stuff–damn the details.

(I see nothing to assuage me.)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:28 AM

It’s a severe case of Immediate Gratification versus Delayed Gratification. It’s usually associated with children, but it seems that a huge chunk of this country never learned the difference. It has become “Screw my kids and my future grandchildren, just give me my freakin free stuff–now.”

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM

we know our ideas are superior..
we’re not to good at selling it…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:38 AM

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:35 AM

I’ve heard my aunt tell stories! :) I believe she went toe to toe with one of the county commissioners about him going into her warehouse where her machines were kept. It’s certainly a job for people with backbone! But as such it has spells of intense stress.

The St. Lucie supervisor is a black woman. Was that who you saw?

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:39 AM

No to Rubio. Absolutely not until he proves himself.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:22 AM

That’s what primaries are for. Obama was never considered a serious candidate in 2007 until he started to gain traction with Democrat voters as the campaign wore on. On the flip side, Rick Perry had an outstanding resume and seemed like an ideal candidate on paper when he entered the 2012 GOP primaries. Then he opened his mouth at the debates.

Rubio’s problem will be a thin resume. He’ll have served a full term as Senator, but as a member of the minority party(barring the GOP somehow taking back that chamber in 2014 which is statistically unlikely), he won’t have much luck getting any major legislation through with his name on it. Reid and Obama will see to that.

Then again after the last 2 election cycles, I’m starting to reevaluate my view on what makes a candidate qualified or not for higher office. Romney by all accounts was a highly successful businessman, rescued the Salt Lake Olympics, and did at least an adequate job as governor in MassachusettEs(Romneycare notwithstanding). Obama on the other hand in 2008 had accomplished nothing in the private sector and almost as little legislatively as a State and US Senator. Yet Romney has won only one election in his career whereas Obama has lost only one.

Clearly Obama doesn’t have a clue how to lead this country(or is a practitioner of Cloward-Piven or anti-colonialism if you subscribe to either of those theories), but dude knows how to win elections. For me in 2016, that’s priority #1. If Rubio(or sub in your preferred candidate) has his collective stuff together as a candidate and surrounds himself with a bunch of competent, ruthless people, he’ll get my support, thin resume or not.

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:39 AM

when the bill comes due…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Maybe you’re right.
I just think those folks are too far gone.
I can’t tell you how frustrating it’s been to me, conversing with acquaintences before the election. Their dumb smiles, as I tried to explain what was happening…

People are really asking for it.

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:40 AM

So, no, this analysis is flawed I’m afraid. The rush to offer Amnesty is a response to two things. First, its a result of the simple fact that, according to exit poll data, 60% of Americans want a path to citizenship. Second, because Obama went from getting 60% of the Hispanic Vote in 2008, to getting 70% in 2012.

The rush to amnesty is for one reason. You can find it on the WSJ editorial page. Hint: It’s not about votes. They simply see an opportunity now, and they’re going to try their best to take advantage of it.

By the way, Obama didn’t go from 60% in 2008 to 70% 2012, He went from 67% to 71%. Not a good thing, but a 4 point swing is a lot different than 4 points.

We certainly need to do something to get the Hispanic vote, but amnesty isn’t the answer. If it were, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. They’d already be voting for us.

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 2:40 AM

I think the problem we had this year is the fact that Perry got into the primary and then Mitt jumped to his “right” on immigration. The Dems used that for sure.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM

That is certainly a factor, but you’d think the poor economy would have off set that a little, or barring that, would have driven Hispanic turnout slightly.

After all, there were three people on the ballot. Obama, Romney, and Stay at Home.

I think another factor may have been the partial Dream Act that Obama rammed through via executive order last summer. We grumbled about that, but really didn’t do anything to counteract its affect on the electorate.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:41 AM

The St. Lucie supervisor is a black woman. Was that who you saw?

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:39 AM

No. It was an old white woman, IIRC.
Your aunt sounds like a fireball–Congrats. (Is she up for cloning?)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:39 AM

I’m saying no to Rubio right now or any other person who hasn’t proven himself to be a leader. At the moment Rubio has impressed me as more of another politico. Electability doesn’t win elections. Leadership wins elections.

Obama won his elections through a series of dirty tricks in IL, and then took it national.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:42 AM

Not a good thing, but a 4 point swing is a lot different than 4 points.

Derp. A 4 point swing is different than a 10 point swing.

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 2:42 AM

“not a favorite of the leadership.”
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM
firstly thank you for your service to our once great nation..
and i believe your right here…the GOP upper
management are almost all soft rinos…
sometimes a good stiff moral backbone is worth
voting for….worth fighting for….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:43 AM

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:41 AM

It sounds like one of the older women who works the polls was intimidated. That’s something to be laid at the door of the supervisor. Every poll has a number of workers, and a supervisor should have the sense to send at least one tough cookie to each precinct.

Ah, yes. My aunt is a fireball. :) I love her! She’s my favorite aunt!

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

It’s a severe case of Immediate Gratification versus Delayed Gratification. It’s usually associated with children, but it seems that a huge chunk of this country never learned the difference. It has become “Screw my kids and my future grandchildren, just give me my freakin free stuff–now.”

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Almost missed you, Gracie. You were so quiet.

I’m a bit more gruff than you, so I’ll paraphrase what you said for those like me: “They wanna masturbate, eat a burrito, and go to sleep.”

(Lol. I was gonna delete that, then I re-read what you said and the two fit perfectly.) :)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Rubio is an excellent choice, though being Cuban American wouldn’t help as much as being a Hispanic American. Best thing you can say about Rubio is that it’d put Florida back firmly into our pocket by bringing the Cuban American vote back into our side firmly.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:29 AM

I keep hearing that concern about how Rubio being Cuban-American will hurt him with other Hispanic voters. But I honestly think that’ll be a non-issue by the time the 2016 campaign is over(if it even is an issue in the first place).

Recall that Obama when he first ran in 2007 was actually trailing Hillary in terms of support from black voters. Part of that no doubt was due to Bill Clinton’s immense popularity within the black community, but regardless, there were lots of stories and editorials written about Obama’s background and how it didn’t mirror that of a lot of blacks in this country. Yet by the time Election Day 2008 rolled around, that was ancient history.

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Clearly Obama doesn’t have a clue how to lead this country(or is a practitioner of Cloward-Piven or anti-colonialism if you subscribe to either of those theories), but dude knows how to win elections. For me in 2016, that’s priority #1. If Rubio(or sub in your preferred candidate) has his collective stuff together as a candidate and surrounds himself with a bunch of competent, ruthless people, he’ll get my support, thin resume or not.

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:39 AM

One thing Obama is good at is Alinsky tactics. He actually instructed up and coming community organizers on Alinsky methods. The campaign he just ran was pure Alinsky. It was also the nastiest, most divisive, most dishonest, emptiest campaign an American presidential campaign has ever run. It’s amazing that he found a way to win – but there’s no limit to what you can do when the media constantly covers for you and goes after the other guy.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

I’m not sure how much help West got from the RNC, and I know he’s not a favorite of the leadership. They think he’s a loose cannon. Personally, I love him. I’m a career military man and I’ve known a lot of guys like LtCol West. He’s a true leader.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:37 AM

I’ll join in thanking you for your service. West is my idea of a leader as well.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Ah, yes. My aunt is a fireball. :) I love her! She’s my favorite aunt!

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

If only we could make her president!
(Probably Surely more qualified than Obama.)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM

we know our ideas are superior..
we’re not to good at selling it…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:38 AM

True. And if the MSM jumps on a statement, all the “conservatives” run for cover. Stand your ground! Quit apologizing. The media are NEVER going to prefer our candidate over the Dem. Never. Quit trying to win them over. Go around them, over them, through them, whatever. Be creative about getting the message out without (or, in spite of) MSM.

And while I’m ranting, quit agreeing to “debates” moderated by leftist hacks!

OK, I’m calm now.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Ha ha. Definitely.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:48 AM

I’m saying no to Rubio right now or any other person who hasn’t proven himself to be a leader. At the moment Rubio has impressed me as more of another politico. Electability doesn’t win elections. Leadership wins elections.

Obama won his elections through a series of dirty tricks in IL, and then took it national.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:42 AM

If leadership wins elections, then how did Obama just beat Romney? How did he beat Hillary or anyone else from that field in 2008? I hate to say it, but Presidential elections aren’t about fielding the best leader or most accomplished candidate. It’s about marketing. I’m not saying we shouldn’t seek the best of the best to run for President. But the key is not to run the guy or gal with the best resume. It’s running someone you can market to the electorate as being the most trustworthy and Presidential-looking(and sounding in the era of Obama).

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

one good point….biden wont be able to
sell cloward and piven like the one just did….
biden couldnt sell a pogo stick
to a kangaroo….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Obama won his elections through a series of dirty tricks in IL, and then took it national.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:42 AM

He cheated in the primary against Hillary as well.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Yes. I need to calm down myself or I’ll never get to sleep.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

LOL. Could we be so lucky that they would nominate Biden?

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:52 AM

OK, I’m calm now.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Can’t have that, love.

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:52 AM

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:47 AM
once again spot on..!!!
and yes we must get over/around the
crininally liable MSM…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:53 AM

LOL. Could we be so lucky that they would nominate Biden?

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:52 AM

I was laughing about that with my sister, earlier.

Only thing is, she responded, “Are you so sure he wouldn’t win?”

Chills up my spine.

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:53 AM

(Lol. I was gonna delete that, then I re-read what you said and the two fit perfectly.) :)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Lolz, I’ll have to take your word for it.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:54 AM

its got to get better because
BHO is about as radical as the left has…
to run for POTUS….who do they have thats worse
shelia jackson lee..maxine waters??…nancy p???…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:56 AM

I was laughing about that with my sister, earlier.

Only thing is, she responded, “Are you so sure he wouldn’t win?”

Chills up my spine.

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:53 AM

Well, Biden would be the guy if Hillary doesn’t run. She may not. She looks tired to me. I think four years of carrying water for Barry has been hard on her.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:56 AM

He cheated in the primary against Hillary as well.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Exactly.

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Cheating. See above.

I really do have to go so I can’t take the time to fully reply. This brief column sums my thinking up.

When Mr. Romney was running for president four years ago, he said in an interview that the first thing he would do in the White House would be to bring in some business consultants. In other words, Washington is a management problem.

This is a profoundly mistaken Republican notion that goes back at least to Herbert Hoover…More recently, Republicans like Richard Nixon, George H.W. Bush and John McCain may have been more accomplished in the political realm but all struggled with what Bush 41 famously called the “vision thing.” Time and again, they’ve been defeated by Democrats proclaiming such things as the New Deal, the Fair Deal, the New Frontier, the Great Society, and “hope and change.”

The Great Communicator Ronald Reagan, who spoke mostly in moral terms, was the magnificent exception. He understood that Washington is not a management problem; it is a political problem. Everything the government does is necessarily political, because governments decide not only who gets what, but why. These choices define a candidate’s politics, but they must be conceived and expressed in terms of moral priorities.

Political language is inherently moral, not managerial. It must convey visions, not just plans. It must explain why some things are good and others bad.

Instincts are never enough. You need to have thought about politics in the philosophical sense to know what is going on….

If you cannot articulate the cause for which you are fighting in moral terms, you will lose.

The Dems have no morals, but they know how to lie and cloak their deeds.

Leaders teach people the why and how.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:57 AM

The rush to amnesty is for one reason. You can find it on the WSJ editorial page. Hint: It’s not about votes. They simply see an opportunity now, and they’re going to try their best to take advantage of it.

By the way, Obama didn’t go from 60% in 2008 to 70% 2012, He went from 67% to 71%. Not a good thing, but a 4 point swing is a lot different than 4 points.

We certainly need to do something to get the Hispanic vote, but amnesty isn’t the answer. If it were, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. They’d already be voting for us.

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Ah, pardon, I had thought I had heard Obama got 60% back in 08, and obviously I’ve misheard.

See, I’d been freaking out a little these past few days over that, D+6 number that came out of the exit poll, and I’ve desperately been trying to figure out where it came from. It looks like the democratic party definitely lost serious ground in the past four years when it comes to Caucasian voters, and even with slightly more minorities turning out he shouldn’t have been able to make up the difference so well.

I jumped to the conclusion that, the difference was due to a much larger fraction of Hispanics identifying as democrat than in 2008. That, may still be the case, I suppose.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:58 AM

Lolz, I’ll have to take your word for it.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:54 AM

You must try to remember that I’m a judeo-christian, slovenly, bitter heathen. And, thus one who needs your help. :)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:59 AM

Can’t have that, love.

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Bowie! IIRC, that was the final album of his that I purchased.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 2:59 AM

Leaders teach people the why and how.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 2:57 AM

s.l.o.w.l.y……the other sides not too bright..

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM

One other quote on leadership:

“There is nothing more powerful than inspirational leadership that unleashes principled behavior for a great cause,” said Dov Seidman, the C.E.O. of LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures, and the author of the book “How.” What makes a company or a government “sustainable,” he added, is not when it adds more coercive rules and regulations to control behaviors. “It is when its employees or citizens are propelled by values and principles to do the right things, no matter how difficult the situation,” said Seidman. “Laws tell you what you can do. Values inspire in you what you should do. It’s a leader’s job to inspire in us those values.”

Someone who does this is the person who’s going to win an election. Not because they’re out to win an election, but because their principles are more important to them than ambition.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Its got to get better because
BHO is about as radical as the left has…
to run for POTUS….who do they have thats worse
shelia jackson lee..maxine waters??…nancy p???…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Yep, and it’s amazing how many people don’t see him that way. When he won the Iowa primary back in 2008, I got concerned when I saw his victory speech. It just looked like there was a cult of personality around the guy. It took me maybe a couple of afternoons on the computer to figure out who he was – politically. I was terrified that he would get any wear “near” the oval office.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM

s.l.o.w.l.y……the other sides not too bright..

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM

Ha ha. True. Now I’ve really got to go or I’ll be a basket case tomorrow.

INC on November 10, 2012 at 3:02 AM

I’m gonna go.
Remember, though…
Adios muchachos! (We’re trying to appeal to latinos–remember?)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 3:02 AM

You must try to remember that I’m a judeo-christian, slovenly, bitter heathen. And, thus one who needs your help. :)

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 2:59 AM

OK, that totally cracked me up.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 3:03 AM

I’m out too. I enjoyed the conversation. It helps my P.E.D. (Post Election Depression)

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:04 AM

INC on November 10, 2012 at 3:02 AM

Night, INC. Sleep well.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Second, because Obama went from getting 60% of the Hispanic Vote in 2008, to getting 70% in 2012.

We can function and win elections at 60%, even with an increased Hispanic turnout we would’ve won narrowly if only sixty percent voted for Obama.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 1:48 AM

You have two facts wrong. First, Obama did not win just 60% in 2008. He won 67%. He added just 4% more this election at 71%. The move towards the Democrats was not as large as you say.

Secondly, We would not have narrowly won if only 60% voted for Obama. Where did you get this information. Its 100% false. Not only would we have NOT won with Obama being held to 60% Hispanic vote. We would not have won even one more state. None. And if we held Obama to a minority of 40% Hispanic minorities, Obama still would have won.

We have bigger issues why the Republicans lost this election. Hispanics are at about 6-7 on the list.

KMav on November 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM

RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 3:02 AM

Goodnight, RC. It was great to catch up with you!
Sweet dreams & a pleasant tomorrow.

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 3:07 AM

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM
here to…as soon as i read the Wright church
by laws….i was sure the dems would pick hillary
…if you just took that…and replaces the nine
times the word black…with white….
the man would have never made it on the ticket..
of either party….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Night, Tarheel!

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 3:09 AM

I better scoot off to bed, myself.

GOODNIGHT, ALL!

4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 3:12 AM

night 4grace….and the rest…caio

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Doughboy on November 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Oh,I didn’t think being Cuban American would hurt Rubio with Hispanics, I just thought it wouldn’t be as helpful as running somebody who was Mexican American.

That is probably splitting hairs though, being even slightly more relatable will help a candidate with any given demographic. Probably his biggest problem is the simple fact that he’s a relatively inexperienced Senator. Not as inexperienced as Obama was, but Obama never had to run in a primary against an experienced Governor.

Experienced Governors are the ultimate presidential candidate for a good reason. The job is already a very close analog to that of President, so it gives said candidates both experience on the job and some experience with the sort of campaigning it usually takes to win the Presidency. The other reason is that, Governors are usually a very publicly visible seat, so running a state for a term or two will all but lock it up for that candidate.

The obvious exception to this is of course, Romney. However he was only Governor for a single term. Had he stayed on and managed to hold onto the seat for a second term, I imagine he would have had an excellent chance of taking Massachusetts. Course, holding onto that seat during the 2006 Democratic mid term wave would have been all but impossible.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 3:14 AM

Yep, it’s nuts. We will not get any Latino votes by supporting amnesty – but we WILL further alienate our own base. All you’ve got to do is go back to 1986 and look at Reagan’s numbers, after he gave out some amnesty. I think in 1988 he got a little bump and drew 37%. Then when George H.W. Bush ran in 1992, the numbers fell back to a more normal 32%

Hispanics, like everyone else, are motivated by “free stuff.”

TarheelBen

Percentage of Hispanic Vote

Ford 1976 – 24%
Reagan 1980 – 37%
Reagan 1984 – 34%

Amnesty passes in 1986

Bush 1 1988 – 30%
Bush 1 1992 – 25%
Dole 1996 – 21%
Bush 2 2000 – 35%
Bush 2 2004 – 44%
McCain 2008 – 31%
Romney 2012 – 27%

It’s pretty obvious amnesty had no positive effect for Republicans. Bush did awesome in 2004, but it’s hard to give Reagan’s amnesty credit for that when no other candidate received a bump from it. I suspect it’s because he was actually fairly popular at the time, the economy was doing well, and he was a war time president that had the support of the American people. Plus he’s a likeable, fairly charismatic guy. Maybe that’s the key.

By the way, Bush won that election 51% to 48%. Did democrats cave on everything they believe in after that loss? No, they dug in, fought back, and won the next 2 presidential elections.

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 3:17 AM

It’s strange how we were all mocked for considering Zero to be an evil genius with a nefarious 2nd-term plan, and now that this appears true (Betray-us) we are being mocked for thinking Zero is an evil genius.

Who is John Galt on November 10, 2012 at 3:23 AM

if he was a genius….evil yes…a genius??
how was it so easy for some of us to detect…
i think the reality of it is
americans are now so stupid he that
he looked like a rock star god…
sadly for so many …its like american idol..
the chooms won the i think he’s cool vote..

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:27 AM

I jumped to the conclusion that, the difference was due to a much larger fraction of Hispanics identifying as democrat than in 2008. That, may still be the case, I suppose.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 2:58 AM

The Dems base didn’t grow from 2008. They were down by 9%. The reason it was D+6 – our base disappeared.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM

You have two facts wrong. First, Obama did not win just 60% in 2008. He won 67%. He added just 4% more this election at 71%. The move towards the Democrats was not as large as you say.

Secondly, We would not have narrowly won if only 60% voted for Obama. Where did you get this information. Its 100% false. Not only would we have NOT won with Obama being held to 60% Hispanic vote. We would not have won even one more state. None. And if we held Obama to a minority of 40% Hispanic minorities, Obama still would have won.

We have bigger issues why the Republicans lost this election. Hispanics are at about 6-7 on the list.

KMav on November 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM

Somebody already pointed out my error on how many Hispanics Obama won in 2008.

That said, you’re wrong about how Obama only getting 60% would’ve changed the outcome of the election. Keep in mind, if you take ten percent of the vote from one person, you’re generally giving it to somebody else, in this case Romney.

Given how close Florida was, that would have easily put the state firmly into Romney’s corner. It may have also made a difference Colorado due to the large Hispanic population in the state. I’m less certain it would have made a difference in Ohio or Virginia. I believe these two states have a smaller Hispanic population than most western or southern states.

I have heard other sources state that lowering Obama’s share to sixty percent would have reversed the outcome, but I’d have to check the math on that to be absolutely certain. Colorado and Florida however, could easily have been flipped, due to the high concentrations oh Hispanics in these states.

This probably would’ve gotten Nevada and New Mexico a lot closer too, though it probably wouldn’t have been enough to flip them.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM

Holy hot chick on RedEye.

CycloneCDB on November 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM

It’s strange how we were all mocked for considering Zero to be an evil genius with a nefarious 2nd-term plan, and now that this appears true (Betray-us) we are being mocked for thinking Zero is an evil genius.

Who is John Galt on November 10, 2012 at 3:23 AM

He’s got no desire to actually grow the economy or create jobs. What we’re going to see is Fundamental Transformation Part 2. Obama is only interested in creating more people who are dependent on government. A permanent underclass, if you will, who will always vote for Democrats. At that – he’s succeeding. I’m truly terrified at what we might be facing.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:33 AM

The Dems base didn’t grow from 2008. They were down by 9%. The reason it was D+6 – our base disappeared.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Not really, Republican turnout was overall up as far as I can tell. The white vote appears to have dropped only slightly, and a large fraction of those white voters were likely Independents. Independent Voters were down dramatically from 2008.

Mind you, I might be reading the numbers incorrectly.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 3:33 AM

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 3:17 AM

If the Republican leadership decides to support amnesty, they will be making a huge mistake. We will gain nothing, but we will certainly anger and lose some of our own base. If they do this, many will be tempted to go Indy or Libertarian.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:39 AM

if the voting charts you all keep putting on here
are correct and i cant see why they arnt…
the ’86′ amnesty got us a 2 to 1 against vote..
explain to me why this one will be better??

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:41 AM

now if we said…we’ll give you free Tequila
…then my friend…you’d get votes…
more santa….less sane….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:45 AM

now if we said…we’ll give you free Tequila
…then my friend…you’d get votes…
more santa….less sane….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:45 AM

I’ll vote for this platform!

Who is John Galt on November 10, 2012 at 3:48 AM

Not really, Republican turnout was overall up as far as I can tell. The white vote appears to have dropped only slightly, and a large fraction of those white voters were likely Independents. Independent Voters were down dramatically from 2008.

Mind you, I might be reading the numbers incorrectly.

WolvenOne on November 10, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Our turnout was less than for McCain, down 11% from 2008. This is what has everyone scratching their heads. Where did millions of our voters go? In every poll we were leading the Dems in enthusiasm. All of the early voting numbers showed that we were out-pacing 2008. It’s a real mystery. And from what they say, it was mostly white voters who disappeared.

2000 7% increase over 1996
2004 19% increase over 2000
2008 7% increase over 2004
2012 11% decrease over 2008!

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:54 AM

if the voting charts you all keep putting on here
are correct and i cant see why they arnt…
the ’86′ amnesty got us a 2 to 1 against vote..
explain to me why this one will be better??

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:41 AM

It won’t be. We’ll lose more of our regular base than we would gain.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:55 AM

it might be better than all that money wasted on
tv adds….find out what the voter wants..
and give it to him/her….
going2mars wants 12 old single malt scotch…free case

mr brown wants beer….free bud
ms fluke wants free birth control pills…pay her…
sally wants free chocolate…..free Ghirardelli
id bet the tab is less than mitt spent…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM

it might be better than all that money wasted on
tv adds….find out what the voter wants..
and give it to him/her….
going2mars wants 12 old single malt scotch…free case

mr brown wants beer….free bud
ms fluke wants free birth control pills…pay her…
sally wants free chocolate…..free Ghirardelli
id bet the tab is less than mitt spent…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM

We could never top the Democrats in giving out free stuff to people. And it also goes against our principles. We need to present ourselves as the party of Freedom and Opportunity vs Free Stuff.

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:58 AM

id bet the tab is less than mitt spent…

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 3:56 AM

Ya know…back in the day they held free keggers next to the polling place. Cheaper, for sure.

Who is John Galt on November 10, 2012 at 4:00 AM

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:55 AM
im still not sure 11% didnt vote…
“its them that count the votes that win”
the voting methods in this country suck…
when you go to home depot to but a 2X4…
you pay at the counter…with a debt card
and picture ID…the casher person hands you a reciept
so you know how much you spent ..when…where…what day…what time…the taxes paid…then the stores computer
sensing you bought a 2X4 and from which store
tallys up the total 2X4 sales from that store
and automatically orders more to be sent from a wearhouse
when you vote…not so much…
our system is more like electing the next pope….
a bit american idol ….and then some blue smoke….
wheres my damn reciept time stamped and automatically counted
for my vote…on a nationally live web site so all
can count the tallys together….at once….

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 4:05 AM

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 3:58 AM
i was being a little snarky with the santa stuff…
i like you believe its…..ideas…freedom….vision

going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 4:08 AM

My nephew is in the process of navigating the complex, slow, cumbersome immigration visa system because he is engaged to someone from another country. We have talked about the immigration mess in depth for hours. It seems that most of the people navigating this slow, unresponsive bureaucracy are very resentful of the line jumpers being pandered to as much as they are by the politicians.

He explained to me this week that there are non-citizenship immigration visas that are work visas that just have to be periodically renewed. Then there are the “green” card visas that eventually lead to citizenship.

He thinks this whole problem can be resolved by creating a class of non citizen visas that have to be renewed periodically for all of the illegals here. That way they can never vote for Santa Claus, ever. However, again, we all know the borders have to be closed first.

We both agree that any public funds the illegals have used should be paid back and the people on these non-citizenship visas should never, ever, be eligible for any public assistance benefits.

However, neither of us know how to solve the anchor baby situation from these people with these non-citizen visas. Because with the chain migration rules, these non-citizen visa holders would then be eligible for the welfare benefits that go with the anchor baby and the anchor baby is their path to citizenship.

Sigh.

Rush Limbaugh talked about this as you know from the video above. His first hour was devoted to this topic. I haven’t listened to the other 2 hours yet.

karenhasfreedom on November 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM

karenhasfreedom on November 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM

welcome to the new america.
i’m having my peas plain this morning.

renalin on November 10, 2012 at 4:34 AM

Allen West Seeks Recount Amid Growing Vote Count Scandal

The race for Florida’s 18th Congressional district has taken an ugly turn, with charges of incompetence, illegal activity and possible fraud on the part of local election officials. Democratic challenger Patrick Murphy has declared victory with an apparent 160,328 votes to West’s 157,872. However, serious questions arose immediately about the integrity of the vote count, especially in St. Lucie County. On election night incumbent Republican Allen West had maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections inexplicably “recounted” thousands of early ballots, resulting in 4,400 vote shift to the challenger. Observers on the scene say the process is biased and the election results are fatally compromised. Mr. West is asking a court to impound the ballots and order a recount.

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a volunteer lawyer for the West campaign, told the Washington Times he is “starting have serious concerns about what is going on.” Mr. Shapiro noted that he is not speaking officially on behalf of the campaign but as a first hand witness seeking to get the facts on the record.

“We are not getting to observe the vote count,” he said. Mr. Shapiro has been overseeing the process at the Riveria Beach vote tabulation center. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines, and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present but they are being blocked from making sure the ballots are marked accurately.

A physical barrier had been erected making it impossible for the observers to see what was going on. After repeated objections, the observers were allowed to stand behind the people reproducing the ballots. But then the ballot workers blocked their view. “Half of the people reproducing the ballots are crowding together,” Mr. Shapiro said, “to make it impossible for anyone to see what they are doing.” He added that “there is a sense that since they spend so much time obstructing our view they are not reproducing [the ballots] correctly.”

An elderly man who stood up to try to get a better look at the ballots was ordered to sit down. When he asked why, Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher called a sheriff’s deputy to have him escorted out of the building. Team West volunteer Ellen Snyder has also faced the wrath of the supervisory staff. “They screamed at me twice” for asking questions she said, and threatened to have her removed.

Critical questions are also being raised about the estimated 8,000 military absentee ballots, These ballots could decide the election but were only picked up on Wednesday. They are being counted in an area that is off-limits to observers, but no explanation has been given why. Unlike the damaged ballots, the military ballots are not being reproduced but only counted. Yet from a distance Ms. Snyder saw a worker marking them. When she tried to bring this to the attention Mrs. Bucher’s assistant she was ignored. Another observer saw four military ballots in a row being peremptorily invalidated with no explanation. When Ms. Snyder tried to ask Mrs. Bucher a question about what was happening “she looked like she wanted to spit she was so mad. She is very hostile.”

Mrs. Bucher has been a problem throughout the process. When responding to a court order to open polls to early voters on the Sunday before the election, she only informed local Democrats. Republicans only heard about it later, and not from her. During the week she told Republican observers that the vote count was going to be ended and they did not have to show up. But when Mrs. Snyder came anyway she found the counting had continued. On Friday she ordered ballot workers to reproduce some ballots that were already reproduced. No clear explanation for this was given. An online video shows Mrs. Bucher rudely refusing to answer questions posed by local reporter Michele Kirk about the propriety of the vote count.

“I’ve never experienced anything like it,” Mr. Shapiro said. He is a former Democrat and had worked on John Kerry’s 2004 campaign legal team. He noted that he was treated much better by Democratic supervisors when he was a fellow party member. But now he is being treated like an enemy. “If we raise questions we are reprimanded and threatened to be expelled,” he said. “We are dealing with so much intimidation it has created a chilling effect.”

The West campaign is seeking a court-ordered recount, and also to have the ballots impounded before they are altered or destroyed. “Given the hostility and demonstrated incompetence of the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections,” the West campaign said, “we believe it is critical that a full hand recount of the ballots take place in St. Lucie County. We will continue to fight to ensure every vote is counted properly and fairly, and accordingly will pursue all legal means necessary.”

“There must be a state recount,” Mr. Shapiro said, “because we don’t have confidence that this race is being counted accurately and fairly.”

It could only happen in Florida

TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 4:36 AM

My suggestion is that conservatives have more babies (say 6 for a family) and make sure they teach their children about God, and duty and being honorable. Then, we might get an honorable man back in the white house. I’m thinking that will, eventually, resolve the Social Security situation, as well.

LL1960 on November 10, 2012 at 5:03 AM

Republicans need to make the case to voting Hispanics that: The more immigrants that are allowed to enter the more competition for their jobs there will be and the harder it will be to find one and the lower their wages will be. Marco Rubio could make that case. Further, Republicans need to explain that democrats think that Hispanics are only good for picking strawberries and mowing lawns, when in fact, immigrants are very industrious people and will educate themselves, if given the chance, and will eventually affect all aspects of the labor market. Flooding the entire market with cheap labor will lower wages for everyone!!

Dollayo on November 10, 2012 at 5:06 AM

You could co-op the entire Democratic platform, run it as the GOP platform and the media will still kill you in the nightly news.

hawkdriver on November 10, 2012 at 5:40 AM

The 2016 election starts here- and John Boehner fumbled the opening move by calling Obamacare ‘settled’ and ‘the law of the land’.

The unemployment bomb is going off right now with thousands of lay-offs in the days following Obama’s re-election. The Dow Jones is down hundreds of points.

Boehner should be putting himself on every TV show he can to talk about how Obamacare, the President’s signature legislation, is damaging the economy, harming small businesses and putting thousands of people out of work. He should be making a point that Democrats own Obamacare lock, stock and barrel and that it’s a terrible piece of legislation that will continue to harm the economy until it’s repealed and reformed.

He should be telling Americans that if they lose their job or suddenly find themselves being told they are being switched from full to part time hours that it’s thanks to Obama and Democrats. He should be introducing legislation in the House to rip Obamacare apart piece by piece. Republicans should be doing everything they can to try to help the economy- and then make it known every time Harry Reid blocks it or Obama vetoes it.

Obama’s going to paint Republicans as obstructionists to his agenda. The GOP should turn the tables on him.

Jay Mac on November 10, 2012 at 5:46 AM

hawkdriver on November 10, 2012 at 5:40 AM

True. Like when Bush senior compromised on his read my lips, no new taxes. Pledge.

He did what they wanted and they bludgeoned him when the time came.

He wasn’t re elected. We got Clinton thanks to Perot.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 6:40 AM

mornin’

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM

By the way, Bush won that election 51% to 48%. Did democrats cave on everything they believe in after that loss? No, they dug in, fought back, and won the next 2 presidential elections.

xblade on November 10, 2012 at 3:17 AM

They also gave us the Pelosi Congress.

Punchenko on November 10, 2012 at 6:52 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM

Flerp. I’ve benn fascinated with birds lately, I feed them corn chips.

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 7:30 AM

SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 7:30 AM
Why?

annoyinglittletwerp on November 10, 2012 at 7:31 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/a-message-from-beyond.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Dr Broadwell may have admired Petraeus? Wouldn’t this be something?

clnurnberg on November 10, 2012 at 7:46 AM

I think house republicans should send a letter to Obama promising to support or abstain any admin move on entitlements. Blank Check for Obama, Medicare. Medicaid, Social Security, anything the Democrats want, they get. Don’t compromise on the issue, all it does is provide political cover for the left, give them what they want, and they will SQUIRM, or they will do nothing and add to the collapse.

rob verdi on November 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM

and they will SQUIRM, or they will do nothing and add to the collapse.

rob verdi on November 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM

There is a reason they didn’t do immigration reform with 60 Senators along with card heck etc.

They don’t won’t to own it. They need Republican fingerprints to be able to blame us and then kill us off for good.

Conan on November 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM

O/T: About Gen. Petraeus’ announcement…my take.

kingsjester on November 10, 2012 at 8:06 AM

and they will SQUIRM, or they will do nothing and add to the collapse.

rob verdi on November 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM

There is a reason they didn’t do immigration reform with 60 Senators along with card heck etc.

They don’t won’t to own it. They need Republican fingerprints to be able to blame us and then kill us off for good.

Conan on November 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Exactly.

rob verdi on November 10, 2012 at 8:11 AM

There is a reason they didn’t do immigration reform with 60 Senators along with card heck etc.

They don’t won’t to own it. They need Republican fingerprints to be able to blame us and then kill us off for good.

Conan on November 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM

The reason we didn’t do immigration reform during the brief five months (including August recess) when we had 60 Senators is because it was — for better or for worse — all health care, all the time that summer.

And, given the broad support of Hispanics for immigration reform and the Democratic Party, I hardly think there’s a plan afoot to “blame” Republicans for whatever reform might get passed.

urban elitist on November 10, 2012 at 8:25 AM

Take a look at the message at the top of this new Newsweek cover:

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/A7NFNZjCcAA9wiv1.jpg

Why is it considered acceptable to demean white people in this way?

bluegill on November 10, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Just saw the story that INC was referring to about St. Lucie County getting a 114% turnout.

And then the boy king gets 99% of the votes in Broward County.

Bullsh*t! Broward is blue, but it is not that damn blue.

Obama didn’t win Florida – he stole it!

Flora Duh on November 10, 2012 at 8:45 AM

The problem was that most voters were convinced that Bush, not Obama, was to blame for the bad economy. National exit polls showed this. This was the killer that should have been dealt with more effectively.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Two points:

First, Bush was to blame, at least in great part, for the bad economy. The sad fact is that at heart he was a big-spending fiscal liberal who paved the way for Obama and gave him cover.

Furthermore, the disaster of our country happened, or at least started, on his watch. So he should rightly be blamed for that. While he was busy handing out goodies and expanding government every which way he could so that he could gather support for his oversea wars, the country broke. It’s important to remember that Bush was not a conservative; he despised them along with the Tea Party. At the very least, that was an error on his part, and he should rightly be blamed for it.

Second, blaming Bush is perfectly predictable and that blame won’t likely change over the coming years. Remember, 80 years after the ’29 stock market crash, Hoover was still being blamed for the Great Depression of the ’30s. You have to go to the Cato Institute to find a different view, that FDR contributed to the problem. It’s easy to see that a half century from now or even a full century from now, Bush will still be blamed for the The Great Great Depression which is bound to come within the next decade. Obama will no doubt be considered a hero by liberals who will still be writing all the textbooks used in colleges.

My own view is that there is no easy fix to our country’s problems–at least no such fix such as finding a new election strategy (as you suggest, Bluegill). We as conservatives need to realize the truth of what Rush said the other day: “They outnumber us now.” Once we digest that truth, we can begin to move on.

Burke on November 10, 2012 at 8:46 AM

CycloneCDB on November 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM

Kennedy. She worked on MTV back in the day and apparently not works for Stossel. She’s good, I’ll leave the hot part to the gentleman.

Cindy Munford on November 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM

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