Quotes of the day
posted at 10:17 pm on November 9, 2012 by Allahpundit
That Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of the electorate and a key swing vote in several toss-up states was well-known within the Romney campaign. That Republican opposition to immigration reform helped Democrats increase their appeal in the Hispanic community and take back the House in 2006 was also well established. Yet Romney’s team cultivated an unswerving belief that the torpid economy would sink Obama under its own weight and depress Latino support, even after the administration ordered temporary visas for Dream Act students.
Demographics—and Obama’s superior political machine—won the day. Republicans who have been sounding the alarm for years are wondering if Tuesday’s election will finally resonate as a clarion call.
“If we as Republicans had moved just a few percentage points of the Hispanic vote in states like Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Virginia, it could have thrown the election to Romney,” said former Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, a Cuban-American and past chairman of the Republican National Committee who fought for sweeping immigration reform. “This is not a choice. It’s either extinction or survival.”
The president captured 48% of the Cuban-American vote in Florida—a record high for a Democrat, according to an exit poll by Bendixen & Amandi International, Mr. Obama’s Hispanic polling firm. Republican Mitt Romney received 52%…
Given his overwhelming support among Florida’s non-Cuban Hispanic voters, who make up a growing share of the electorate, Mr. Obama carried the state’s Latino vote overall by 61% to 39%, exceeding his margin in 2008 by seven percentage points. Together, both trends are accelerating a realignment of the state’s Latino vote, from once solidly Republican to now reliably Democratic, analysts say.
“The president has successfully picked the lock in Florida,” said Fernand Amandi, managing partner at the polling firm.
The conservative base is smaller than it has been in three decades, with its share falling to 35% while liberals edged up to 24%, a narrowing advantage further diminished by the fact that about a fifth of that conservative base consists of blacks and Latinos who still overwhelmingly voted for Obama. The Republican conservative base seems perilously close to shrinking to white southern evangelicals, senior white males, and upper income Protestants…
To be sure, a better crafted campaign would have filled in Romney’s policy goals more convincingly than the ritualistic invocation of five point plans and generic references to cutting regulation and producing more domestic energy. But that failure is not just a marketing flaw on the part of Romney’s ad men: it is a symptom of a modern conservatism that seems spent and resistant to innovation on some days, purely oppositional and reactive on other days. And the weightiest part of the recent conservative agenda, Paul Ryan’s budget plan, was barely mentioned and its details only intermittently defended. (The details of Ryan’s budget had their share of political pitfalls, but the scant attention to it by the Romney campaign surely contributed to the impression that the Republican wish list was being kept deliberately shadowy.)
Each of the key groups in Obama’s coalition of the ascendant is growing in society—which means that they will provide an even greater advantage to Democrats over time unless Republicans start winning more of them. “When you have a younger generation with a different set of ideas, and a changing demographic in the country, there’s going to be a tipping point; and during that tipping point, the two sides are roughly at parity,” says Morley Winograd, a senior fellow at the Democratic advocacy group NDN and coauthor with Michael Hais of two books on the millennial generation. “But at some point, that parity goes away and the direction becomes very clear.… We think this coalition is not only ascendant but will be dominant.”…
After these results, the big question facing the GOP is whether it can improve its performance among minorities, especially Hispanics, without returning to George W. Bush’s support for immigration reform that provides a pathway to citizenship for those living here illegally. That policy shift would face impassioned resistance from conservatives. “Looks like a brawl coming soon,” says longtime GOP strategist Mike Murphy. “The question is: Will the party base accept these facts, since they chose to ignore similar facts after Obama’s election four years ago?”…
“That 28 percent [minority-vote share of the electorate] will be 31 percent probably in 2016, and then it will be 34,” notes Matt Barreto, a founder of Latino Decisions, a polling firm that specializes in Hispanic voters. To win future elections, Republicans will need to either improve their minority performance or win even higher percentages of whites. “So it’s either going to get scarier in terms of those huge racial divides,” he says, “or the Republicans are going to have to sit up and say, ‘How can we cut into the Latino, African-American, and the Asian-American vote?’”
Maybe these people are convinced the larger GOP project can be saved simply by caving on just this one issue. That seems cracked. The bulk of the Hispanic electorate appears to instinctively vote Democratic, and not just because of immigration. (“[T]his is just a fairly liberal voting block.”) Maybe they can be wooed over to the Republican side over the course of decades. But by then there will be another wave of new, instinctively Democratic illegal immigrants (lured by the Boehner Amnesty) for Dems to appeal to. And the idea that the GOPs don’t have to change any of their other ideas if only they appease this one ethnic group (making up 10% of the electorate) is highly questionable, as David Frum has argued. … There were plenty of other reasons why Romney lost. (If he’d gotten McCain’s share of the Latino vote … he still would have lost.)…
A much better strategy would be to enact the enforcement measures (including a border fence and a system of employment checks), then wait a few years and see if they survive. If they do, sure, come up with some kind of amnesty. You could calmly pitch that plan to Latinos–it ends in the same place (amnesty). But that’s not the sort of sensible approach you will insist on if you are part of a stampede of panicked pols and consultants whose only goal is to pander to what they think Latinos want to make up for their shortcomings in other areas.
If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.
And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.
To follow up on the question of whether Hispanics are held back from their natural Republican affinities by immigration-reform obstructionism, let’s not forget Obamacare. A Fox News Latino poll in September 2012 found that 62 percent of likely Latino voters backed President Obama’s handling of health care, including the Affordable Care Act. Only 25 percent of those voters wanted the act repealed. The Catholic Church’s strong opposition to the bill’s contraception mandate did not tip the Latino scales against it, dealing another blow to the myth of the “social values” Hispanic conservative. A Romney Spanish-language ad trumpeting Romney’s opposition to the Affordable Care Act showed that his strategists “don’t know what they are doing,” Latino pollster Matt Barreto told USA Today in August…
Out of sheer fatigue, I would almost be willing to support an E-Verify-preceded amnesty (starting with a DREAM Act that, unlike every extant version, disqualifies applicants with criminal records and requires serious educational attainment) in exchange for the elimination of chain migration and its replacement by a skills-based selection process. Congressional Democrats’ recent torpedoing of green cards for foreign Ph.D. science graduates, however, simply to preserve the “diversity” visa lottery shows how deep Democratic commitment to low-skilled immigration is. It would be risky to assume that they don’t know what they’re doing.
It is prudent and sensible to favor amnesty for the remaining non-violent, long-term illegal aliens after a fully articulated enforcement system is in place and functioning and proven. But that will require some time, not just to staff up and put the physical and IT infrastructure in place but also to overcome the years-long scorched-earth litigation campaign the ACLU and its comrades will launch to stop all enforcement initiatives. (Or do you think they’ll feel bound by whatever illusory deal their congressional allies are compelled to settle for?)…
The Left understands much better the point of mass immigration. See, for instance, the comments of Eliseo Medina, vice president of the SEIU and an honorary chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America: “[Immigrants] will solidify and expand the progressive coalition for the future. . . . We will create a governing coalition for the long term not just for an election cycle.”
Conservatives shouldn’t be helping them do this.
“This is a very, very dangerous area for Rubio if he has national aspirations,” said Roy Beck, head of the anti-immigration group Numbers USA. “You’ve had Republicans trying to do this in the past that really lost their status in the party once they did it.”…
In the aftermath of Tuesday’s elections, many Republicans believe they need to recalibrate and listen to Rubio. But while Rubio may be able to sway his Senate colleagues, his influence among House members is less certain.
“My gut is there are not too many Republicans who have been against comprehensive reform who will change positions,” said longtime pro-immigration activist Rick Swartz, who founded the National Immigration Forum. Reform “is easy to talk about but harder to get it done.”
Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum charged Thursday that President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party held off on immigration reform so they could capitalize politically during the election.
“It did not get done, in my opinion, by this president because he wanted this as an issue,” Santorum said on Fox News’s “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.” “I don’t believe the Democrats are at all sincere about doing anything and compromising with Republicans on immigration.”…
“They would rather have the issue and continue to drive…this wedge between races and creeds and classes or whatever else they want to divide America,” Santorum said of the Democratic approach to the immigration issue. “That’s unfortunate. Let’s see if Barack Obama, in a second term, is serious about solving problems or wants to perpetuate politics.”
On Feb. 11, 2011, the person who should have been the Republican nominee laconically warned conservatives about a prerequisite for persuading people to make painful adjustments to a rickety entitlement state. Said Indiana’s Gov. Mitch Daniels: “A more affirmative, ‘better angels’ approach to voters is really less an aesthetic than a practical one. With apologies for the banality, I submit that, as we ask Americans to join us on such a boldly different course, it would help if they liked us, just a bit.” Romney was a diligent warrior. Next time, Republicans need a more likable one.
And one who tilts toward the libertarian side of the Republican Party’s fusion of social and laissez-faire conservatism. Most voters already favor less punitive immigration policies than the ones angrily advocated by clenched-fist Republicans unwilling to acknowledge that immigrating — risking uncertainty for personal and family betterment — is an entrepreneurial act. The speed with which civil unions and same-sex marriage have become debatable topics and even mainstream policies is astonishing. As is conservatives’ failure to recognize this: They need not endorse such policies, but neither need they despise those, such as young people, who favor them.
Via WaPo:

Amnesty for whoever is here. And it’s gonna be blanket, and it’s gonna be pretty quick. That’s where we’re headed. So I want to get in the game. I want to propose EIB amnesty. And I’ll agree to it. Amnesty for every illegal citizen who is here. There’s just one caveat. In exchange for having all of the laws that have been violated forgiven…
In exchange for blanket automatic citizenship without having to take the test, without having to learn the documents… (You’re here. You’ve been here a number of years so you’re a citizen. That’s where we’re headed.) One caveat: You can’t vote for 25 years. And let’s see how much support that idea gets. Let’s see if amnesty is what really is desired. Let’s see if it’s citizenship that all of these compassionate Democrats really have in mind.
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I’m sorry — did I sound like I thought you were disagreeing? I only meant to clarify what I wrote, not that I thought you were disagreeing with me.
I don’t doubt it –I’m trying to stay optimistic.
Heh. Funny ’cause it’s true.
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Is there no such thing as a permanent resident in the U.S.? Everything short of voting rights?
Mitsouko on November 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Until 1850 only property owners were allowed to vote… Yes it is impossible to pass a law that allow only taxpayers to vote… However I think we should work hard to eliminate the early vote/absentee votes except for the Military and the Americans living overseas… Obama won the elections because of the early vote/absentees…
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Yes, that is what a permanent resident is… Every right a citizen has except the right to vote…
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Yeah. I wasn’t sure if we were disagreeing, either.
I might not have followed you, entirely. (A problem with written communication.)
Mea culpa.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Lots of people, the past couple of days, have been saying something similar. Let the Democrats own it.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM
I love how so many Repubs are pulling a Barry. Overnight, all these pundits are evolving with regards to immigration/amnesty.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s pretty much another “Squirrel!” moment. Just latch onto something and run with it.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:08 AM
They’re nervous. They now have everything they want, and all the time in the world to implement it. Now it has to work; no excuses. And if it creates another four years of misery, instead of Utopia, there’ll be hell to pay, and no one left to blame.
squint on November 10, 2012 at 12:08 AM
I now support total amnesty and will learn enough Spanish to say “now demand secession.”
My sister in law is going to love being a Mexican.
harlekwin15 on November 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM
Good evening!!..Great to see you..:)
Dire Straits on November 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM
Yep. We must find a way to ensure the “integrity” of the vote.
(It goes in quotes because it doesn’t really exist right now, IMO. To have any type of democracy, the vote MUST be straight.)
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM
gophergirl on November 9, 2012 at 11:53 PM
correct you are…we need to talk about the …ideas…
sometimes explaining it slowly and in plan language..
this is why the GOP is better for your family..your
children..your live….
ppl voted for more free stuffs because no one
effectively explained slow enough the down side..
going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM
This election has really exposed a disjoint between the Republicans and reality. And it seems to be continuing in the aftermath. People talking about years and decades before the Repubicans will be back seems like absolute madness to me. The United States of America will be insolvent before then, when the People should have no choice but to swing back to the fiscal sanity of the Right. That is the moment Republicans should be preparing for. Not trying to figure out how to win the Latino vote.
Scopper on November 10, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Blargh! St. Lucie is one of the counties that Allen West is contesting, except the recount is being done by hand. What I’ve been hearing is that the software used to tabulate the votes on these machines can be corrupted.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Hello, Dire. I hope you are well this evening. I’ve had a mellowing drink (or 2), so I’m feeling fine. :)
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:13 AM
one would first need to be retarded to think Patraeus’s resignation had nothing to do with Benghazi
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on another note – sure the GOP is better for you family and your life, but you’ll never convince people who vote based on race and lady parts of that. Just legalize pot! That’s 75 million new votes, thereyago
Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM
You are not crazy or paranoid. Something in the milk ain’t clean.
The most laughable part about all of this are the people pointing the “accuracy” of the DailyKos/SEIU swing state polls done by PPP to justify how everything you list about enthusiasm/crowd size/Gallup & Ras having Romney ahead etc for Romney the last month not meaning what it meant.
Jaysuz — *of course* the actual results match the RCP averages — that’s how election fixing works, you create that result. The fraud was in the works for a long time –at first it was to demoralize us thinking that they would win without having to do wide-scale fraud, but then after the first debate & Romney started gathering momentum because people were getting excited to vote FOR him, not just AGAINST Obama, is when TeamObama started panicking & they needed some kind of last minute “Black Swan” to reset the story by taking the focus off of the campaign (especially after the jobs reports that were supposed to be ATOMIC BOMBS! didn’t work). The flailing & vulgarity we saw from Obama after that was due to the stress of figuring out what the “Black Swan” was going to be — if they hadn’t “lucked out” (I’m being sarcastic here) with Sandy hitting when it did, they would have been bombing Libya in relation for Benghazi a week before the election.
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Long time, no see, Gracie.
You’re right. Maybe we should ask the evolvers where we draw the line on law-breaking.
For the life of me, I will never understand how LEGAL latinos/hispanics could favor the illegals. (Only way is if they’re family. Still…)
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Ok, so the same as Canada. So why is amnesty automatically thought of as citizenship?
Mitsouko on November 10, 2012 at 12:15 AM
This thought occurred to me, as well.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Lolz. 75 million? Let’s take it!
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
I now support total amnesty and will learn enough Spanish to say “now demand reconquista.”
My sister in law is going to love being a Mexican.
harlekwin15 on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
our SCOAMF blocks every single such project/initiative, like he’s not even trying to keep his hordes of moocher well fed and catered for… It would be in the best interest of that idiot in the WH to actually explore all these possibilities, he’d secure voters for decades to come…
jimver on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Yeah, I think he was intimidated by the media somewhat. If he been too hard on Barry, the media would have crucified him. They are very protective of their Messiah.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Hi. ):
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
I’ve been looking at that St. Lucie County info out of FL, and that is absolutely insane.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_st_lucie_county/st-lucie-county-election-results-posted-after-hours-of-delay
Unofficial results:
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf
I saw only one precinct with turnout under 100%. Only one.
The election supervisor should be fired and investigated. This is FL law.
I’m a FL voter. When I vote I show my precinct registration card and my photo I.D. Without I.D. you have to cast a provisional ballot. I have to sign in when I vote. I’ve lived in several counties. The precinct workers have big binders with lists of names and a space by your name to sign. They check your photo and your signature.
My aunt is a retired FL county elections supervisor. There is no way that properly trained poll workers would slip up like this. The supervisor is responsible for training and integrity of the vote results.
This is beyond ridiculous. Walker throwing up her hands like this–well, she’s negligent–either criminally or she’s set a record for incompetence.
INC on November 10, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Good evening, RC. Yes, it has been a long time. Great to see you!
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM
I heard that “Betray-us” was not going to testify next week.
I swear that the “exceptions” to the law that democrats are creating are AMAZING!
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Shorthand for it is “Green Card.”
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:18 AM
I agree. He looked like a beaten man. And you could also see it in the faces of his staff and supporters.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Hello, sweet Spark. How are you this evening?
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:19 AM
I was at a conference of the Canadian Nuclear society held in Calgary Alberta in 2009. We were introduced to a number of proposals for the use of Small Modular Reactors in oil sands recovery and processing.
One of the reasons for this is, Canadas natural gas reserves are running out pretty fast. Oil sands oil isn’t really oil. It’s a substance called “bitumen”. It might become oil in another ten thousand years, but we’re digging it up now. Natural gas is currently used as a source of hydrogen to upgrade bitumen into full synthetic crude. We can’t do this forever though, as the natural gas is running out. Thus nuclear reactors have been proposed as a means of generating hydrogen from plentiful fresh water supplies, enabling us to conserve and extend our natural gas reserves.
Once the gas runs out, if we don’t have something in place, the impact on the oil industry will be huge.
Alberta_Patriot on November 10, 2012 at 12:19 AM
You are right it is not… However the folks who get amnesty can eventually apply for citizenship but it may take them 8 to 10 years to apply if they go through the work permit, then the permanent resident (green card) and then applying to the US citizenship…
I think the best solution for illegal immigrants is to give them work permit that can be renewed every 5 years but they will never be allowed to become Citizens or even permanent residents because they have broken the law by being illegal immigrants…
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:19 AM
I don’t think you are crazy or paranoid! I have thought the same thing since Tues. Something deep down inside me tells me we’ve been had. These are evil people who would do anything to accomplish their goal- socialism/marxism. We shouldn’t be surprised, these are Alinsky tactics. If we ( GOP/Cons.)
don’t come up with a way to deal with these people we are finished.
Now if anyone has any suggestions…?
wolverinefan on November 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM
They figuratively crucified him for merely pointing out Obama’s failed record and broken promises. If he had been harder on Obama they would have LITERALLY crucified him.
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:21 AM
I don’t know why it still surprises me. It shouldn’t.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:21 AM
Can’t take issue at all with you on his personal failings, they are at the root of all this, and why he shouldn’t have accepted the CIA job to begin with.
That said, I think he was blackmailed by Obama, as the FBI and others knew about this affair before 9/11, to say whatever he said about Benghazi, else his wife and kids would be made aware of the affair.
I also believe that he thought his cheating would go away, like the Benghazi investigation, if, as almost everyone thought, Obama would lose.
Honorable? Not as to his personal life and failures there, but yes on the battlefield. If we were to count as dishonorable every man and woman fighting for our freedoms who screwed up their personal lives through cheating or other mistakes of character, we would be unprotected indeed.
I’m sure Petraeus will receive his punishment for his personal failings, either through divorce court or through daily guilt or by the Lord, or by all of the above, but I will salute him for the lives he saved through his leadership and service to our nation throughout his life.
Last I checked, I’ve only known Jesus in my heart, certainly never saw him in person or on TV, nor in a uniform. Until then, I think I’ll give a pass to those who don’t quite live up.
TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 12:21 AM
Because It puts them on a path to citizenship after 5 years of residing in the US you are eligible to naturalize yourself as citizen, it’s not automatic, but you will be considered after 5 years or continuous residence in the US as a permanent resident. In Canada it’s less wait, it’s three years as a landed immigrant and then you can apply for cotizenship.
jimver on November 10, 2012 at 12:21 AM
Countries have borders and immigration laws for the same reason our bodies have skin. Without them the host dies. That’s why one of the main reasons I’m not in the Libertarian Party, because they have a self destructive position on immigration. If the Libertarian Party had it’s way they would let America be subsumed by people who are not Libertarians and Libertarians would quickly lose power, having defeated themselves and their own misguided position on the issue.
FloatingRock on November 10, 2012 at 12:22 AM
I don’t think so. Every report I saw showed us outperforming 2008 in early voting – and a couple of polls, Pew, Gallup, had us actually leading. Personally, I think Obama won when the votes were tabulated. Something happened to a lot of Mitt’s votes. I’m convinced.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:23 AM
canada also is the number one importer of raw electricty
to the USA,,,not affraid to build nuke plants..
its not wind and solar power i assure you..
going2mars on November 10, 2012 at 12:24 AM
This whole article is just malarky.
Romney lost first and foremost because his campaign or (?) alienated about 9% of the base with the way republicans in the campaign handled Ron Paul supporters in the state caucuses and in Tampa. Keeping Morton Blackwell and the Virginia and Rhode Island delegations locked on a bus and circling the convention while the rules changes were voted upon was just uncalled for.
What they did to Ron Paul and the Morton Blackwell/Virginia and Rhode Island delegations just does not lend itself to the unity needed to unseat an incumbent president – but they did it anyway. Many of Ron Paul’s most enthusiastic supporters are in the the 18-29 age group where Romney did badly. They use the new media and the word got out about his being badly treated. He has well over 4 million supporters nationally and his internet “money bombs” produce great results. My experience in this campaign and the election results tells me it had a very negative effect (voter turnout for Romney less than it would have been) – how big an effect would be the ground over which any debate would be fought.
Just know this though; with the new rules changes the GOP establishment forced through, Ronald Reagan would never have gained the Republican nomination. He was, not arguably, the best republican president since FDR, and yes, better than Eisenhower IMHO.
Could I have done better than Romney’s advisors? You bet I could have and I’d have told Romney/his advisors/RNC, look you’ve won it, be conciliatory, demonstrate constitutional principles at work, let Ron Paul have his due as a man who knows more about the true nature of our government than most republican elites, and that has a support base that we want to make peace with and include in the election effort. Yes, it’s that simple.
I will add that Romney for sure would have won New Hampshire, Virginia, Iowa, and Florida, and maybe Ohio, if Paul supporters had been accommodated with respect. Nothing the RINOs at Hot Air can say will convince me differently.
And Rubio’s/others remarks on amnesty are just rubbish. Hispanics, other than Cubans, seem to like the Santa Claus tactics of the democrats. If Republicans start down this road again, you can bet I drop out and work against them!
And working to include more blacks in the GOP starts with KCarl’s ideas about being a Frederick Douglas Republican (FDR – not what you think it means).
I also worked project ORCA in Ohio and contrary to stories I’ve read, the instructions were clear and the system was straightforward to use. It did crash a couple of times. But I was able to get all my data transmitted.
Falcon46 on November 10, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Pukey and vomity. That’s my mood. Kind of upchuckie and regurgiatey.
Don’t worry I’ll be fine in about 4 more years. Of course by then we could have Sean Penn as President. Who knows? Then I will be vomity again for 4 years.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:26 AM
Exactly… I also think that White liberals will never be satisfied even when the democrats win because the large majority of Whites vote Republicans…
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:26 AM
Great to agree with you on something, FR.
The point is: If you don’t have clearly defined borders, with clearly defined laws, what’s the point of “declaring” a country in the first place?
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:26 AM
The Spokes-holes we have on our side are a bunch of D-Bags.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Please don’t give him any ideas.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:27 AM
As the legacy media continues to look the other way, the more and more dangerous this administration becomes. After four years of media coddling, they think they can get away with anything. Who’s going to stop them?
d1carter on November 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Thank you. That is helpful.
Mitsouko on November 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Sean Penn/Michael Moore — 2016…cause the leftists are too rightie any more
Schadenfreude on November 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Although I criticize the Libertarian Party above it was to explain why the zombie Bush/Romney political machine is wrong to push for Amnesty.
FloatingRock on November 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Lets pretend that adultering slick Willie had kept his libido zipped up , there would have been no Bush 43 or the 8 yrs- and even still- Ghore ALMOST PULLED IT OFF REMEMBER ?
Was THAT Latinos ?
It could have been- should have been – 20 straight yrs in the Presidential desert…
Was that all Latinos ?
And Shillary is on deck – and she WILL HAVE A LATINO VP !
Bank on it buddy -
FlaMurph on November 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM
They defeated us with the early vote by an average of 10 points… I am aware of the Gallup polls showing us winning the early vote but I have hard time believing it… Every other poll showed Obama winning the early voters by a large margin…
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM
I understand the pukey/vomity feeling. I had to just stay away for the past few days.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM
The thing is, once you’ve signed your name in your rectangle that’s it. One signature per box. I’ve never lived in St. Lucie, but the last two counties I lived in the procedure has been the same. You physically sign your name with ink, and your signature is matched to your I.D.
After you vote you insert your own card into the optical scanner. No one else is supposed to do it. Another poll worker stands by the machines.
Florida law requires the use of an Optical Scan paper ballot voting system for all voters except those with disabilities. If you’re disabled, a Touch Screen is available at each precinct.
I don’t know if the ballots are emptied from the machines. I thought they were picked up and taken to headquarters and emptied there. There is no way on earth a box of ballots should be left in a library.
The entire purpose of poll workers is to ensure the integrity of the vote. If they don’t do their job it means the supervisor hasn’t done her or his job.
INC on November 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Good deal..I’m not far behind you..:)
Dire Straits on November 10, 2012 at 12:30 AM
You are welcome..
mnjg on November 10, 2012 at 12:31 AM
That all sounds pretty logical. I think General Petraeus is a decent man. What a shame he got mixed up with these thugs. I swear, Obama and his thugs are the lowest of the low. They act like the Chicago mob.
What a tragedy – what they’re doing to our country.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:31 AM
I laughed out loud. That’s a good one, Schad. Good because there’s a (large) grain of truth to it.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:32 AM
While I chortle at “Bush/Romney political machine”, you are correct: Amnesty would be a HUGE mistake.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:33 AM
It’s not ridiculous, go big and outside the box, this has been in the works for a very long time, it just didn’t happen in the past couple of weeks.
Think “Parallax View”. Sleep on it.
JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Scary. I know there are many who still believe the Southwest belongs to Mexico. They don’t recognize our border at all. Hell, the activist group La Raza believes that – and they’re welcome at the white house.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:35 AM
there’s probably many reason for romney losing…but i must say, there are a lot of reports that his campaign couldn’t even run an internet retail operation well.
now that’s sad.
one of my deep suspisions of the GOP is that it is a social club. years ago, i decided to ‘get active’…so natch i went to the state gop website. Now this was pretty close to an election, 2004..maybe even 2008..can’t remember…but i was motivated to ‘get active’. Website was extolling the great annual retreat for party members…bands, dancing..state speakers (no, steyn wasn’t one). Hmmmmm. i don’t mean partying down..i mean get active.
ok, so i go to the local R township meeting…crushingly boring. extremely local issues (which is fine)…and some chit chat about former office holders…snooze…no clue. Social club for older people who have nothing else to do on a wednesday night
ok, that’s harsh…i go to a picnic…local office holders parade around…i guess that’s ok…but they all seemed a little….well, odd….kinda like a salesman…not bad people…but, maybe not the brightest bulbs.
but, i did get some nice tickets to a local band-in-the-park concert…and the 4th
r keller on November 10, 2012 at 12:35 AM
For the dems.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Hello, JP. Sorry to veer off a bit, but I just wanted to say that movie was excellent. I was recently thinking of watching it again. Timely, huh?
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:37 AM
Haha.
No idea is ever too absurd for some lefty to consider it the solution to a problem that does not exist.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:37 AM
You need to post more.
BoxHead1 on November 10, 2012 at 12:38 AM
heh.
it’s estimated 75 million smoke pot, some of those won’t vote obviously – but when pot smokers find something they care about (mainly pot) they can be very motivated. 30 million votes at least.
Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 12:38 AM
To me, the most significant numbers are the ones showing the total vote each year. At least a 7% increase each year, and then we tank by 11% this year? I just don’t buy it.
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Indeed, but have you thought about this, that he didn’t get mixed up with them, but signed up to keep an eye on them?
TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Very interesting discussion tonight all, but I’m getting to the “can’t keep my eyes open” stage of the evening, so I’ll turn in.
Good night!
Dark Star on November 10, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Hey, I stopped puking long enough to come up with a famous phrase.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:39 AM
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and that Apology Tour……. Never happened !!!! Hopey decreed none of it is true. And did the Pravda media jumped all over that- talk about hyper- sensitivity………. Of course the Benghazi coverup was in full swing at that time….so the deceptive lie campaign of the left dug in hard.
Time exposes fraud, every time.
It ain’t about Latinos, no more so than it is about the Welfare Queens.
FlaMurph on November 10, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Good night AmeriKa.
Schadenfreude on November 10, 2012 at 12:40 AM
This is…actually……brilliant!
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(‘Cause it’s true.)
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:41 AM
Goodnight, Dark Star.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:41 AM
On the election.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Someone invited me to watch it a few months ago and it was very good, really makes you think.
Don’t be a stranger.
JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Some one should form a Tea Party of something. I think that might work.
Oh, we did that and the Pseudo-Pachyderms (I didn’t say RINOS) thought it was an affront to their penchant for self-defeat at the hands of an inferior species of jackass.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM
I meant ridiculous in the sense of Walker trying to act as if she’s innocent. This isn’t even subtle cheating. FL’s Secretary of State is Ken Detzner, and he’s the one who should be responsible for asking her what’s going on down there. I looked him up and he was a Dem who became a Republican in 1984 so I assume he was a Reagan Dem who became a Reagan Republican.
If this has been in the works for a long time, then the Dems idea of GOTV has taken on an entirely different meaning.
INC on November 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM
They are angry because they are trying to deflect. They know that they didn’t build that.
donkichi on November 10, 2012 at 12:46 AM
Good one. While I will definitely have my “freak out” moments, I am quietly, yet firmly, determined to take care of me and mine. No matter what may come.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM
I have found that the only thing that brings relief between intermittent episodes of puking is more puking.
SparkPlug on November 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Obama bought votes with welfare and food stamps
LBJ bought the N word vote for 200 years
Do the Pubs really want to jump on that pandering bandwagon? Cause if they do, go for the stoners.
Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Thanks for that. The last couple of weeks leading up to the election, I was just too stressed to hang out.
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:49 AM
Pot’s pretty damaging to long term memory.
You could legalize it, outlaw it halfway through your term, re-add legalization to the party platform at the convention and basically win every election for eternity without the potheads ever noticing what you’re doing.
Alberta_Patriot on November 10, 2012 at 12:50 AM
C’mon let’s have a better outlook..:)
PS..One of their best..imho..:)
PSS..Nice tune..:)
Dire Straits on November 10, 2012 at 12:50 AM
I’m glad for your resolve. It should be that way.
In my darker moments, what I fear is greater than my resolve.
(I hope my feelings are wrong.)
(PS–My feelings on the election were that Romney would win with 280EV.)
(Trying, desperately, to hang on to positivity.)
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:51 AM
Leftists are always angry. They’re malcontents. Always wanting to “transform” something. Always frustrated that they haven’t received their “fair share.”
TarheelBen on November 10, 2012 at 12:51 AM
Are you joining me and my tinfoil hat? Everything stinks.
JPeterman on November 10, 2012 at 12:52 AM
Hahahaa. It’ll work!
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:52 AM
now we’re talkin’
Slade73 on November 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM
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Chasing the Liberals and their Utopia game is the real mistake…….amnesty or any of their issues. They play the moving target game. If the amnesty crap happens, the commies will want Open Borders…. Call it the ” how Left can you go” game…… It’s only a lose- lose process.
It’s time to Starve the beast. Start with the UAW.
FlaMurph on November 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Our food is great, our parties are loud, our siestas are nice, you’re gonna love being one of us now (except for our country music — I passionately hate that)
El_Terrible on November 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Dire Straits on November 10, 2012 at 12:50 AM
Lol. From previous discussions, you KNOW you can always “bribe” me with GH!
(One of my most favoritist, ever.)
How about this repeat?
(Always makes me feel better.)
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:55 AM
So are you saying that you deny that Karl Rove and others are part of the Bush/Romney political machine? Or are you saying that you chortle at them because they’re so pathetic?
FloatingRock on November 10, 2012 at 12:55 AM
Two things to consider folks:
1. If amnesty was the solution, we wouldn’t be having this discussion today, would we? It would have been fixed with the 86 amnesty.
2. Democrats aren’t desperate to get amnesty passed because they think it will help Republicans. Don’t forget that.
xblade on November 10, 2012 at 12:56 AM
Lol. The killer of the American auto industry is no friend of mine. Starve away.
RedCrow on November 10, 2012 at 12:56 AM
I understand, RC. I really do. I guess, for me, the hate and anger and fear just do damage to me.
Just don’t let the negative feelings overwhelm you. We need you in this fight!!
4Grace on November 10, 2012 at 12:56 AM
No, JP, a tinfoil hat doesn’t become me. I prefer the tinfoil crown.
TXUS on November 10, 2012 at 12:57 AM
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