Quotes of the day

posted at 10:17 pm on November 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

That Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of the electorate and a key swing vote in several toss-up states was well-known within the Romney campaign. That Republican opposition to immigration reform helped Democrats increase their appeal in the Hispanic community and take back the House in 2006 was also well established. Yet Romney’s team cultivated an unswerving belief that the torpid economy would sink Obama under its own weight and depress Latino support, even after the administration ordered temporary visas for Dream Act students.

Demographics—and Obama’s superior political machine—won the day. Republicans who have been sounding the alarm for years are wondering if Tuesday’s election will finally resonate as a clarion call.

“If we as Republicans had moved just a few percentage points of the Hispanic vote in states like Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Virginia, it could have thrown the election to Romney,” said former Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, a Cuban-American and past chairman of the Republican National Committee who fought for sweeping immigration reform. “This is not a choice. It’s either extinction or survival.”

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The president captured 48% of the Cuban-American vote in Florida—a record high for a Democrat, according to an exit poll by Bendixen & Amandi International, Mr. Obama’s Hispanic polling firm. Republican Mitt Romney received 52%…

Given his overwhelming support among Florida’s non-Cuban Hispanic voters, who make up a growing share of the electorate, Mr. Obama carried the state’s Latino vote overall by 61% to 39%, exceeding his margin in 2008 by seven percentage points. Together, both trends are accelerating a realignment of the state’s Latino vote, from once solidly Republican to now reliably Democratic, analysts say.

“The president has successfully picked the lock in Florida,” said Fernand Amandi, managing partner at the polling firm.

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The conservative base is smaller than it has been in three decades, with its share falling to 35% while liberals edged up to 24%, a narrowing advantage further diminished by the fact that about a fifth of that conservative base consists of blacks and Latinos who still overwhelmingly voted for Obama. The Republican conservative base seems perilously close to shrinking to white southern evangelicals, senior white males, and upper income Protestants

To be sure, a better crafted campaign would have filled in Romney’s policy goals more convincingly than the ritualistic invocation of five point plans and generic references to cutting regulation and producing more domestic energy. But that failure is not just a marketing flaw on the part of Romney’s ad men: it is a symptom of a modern conservatism that seems spent and resistant to innovation on some days, purely oppositional and reactive on other days. And the weightiest part of the recent conservative agenda, Paul Ryan’s budget plan, was barely mentioned and its details only intermittently defended. (The details of Ryan’s budget had their share of political pitfalls, but the scant attention to it by the Romney campaign surely contributed to the impression that the Republican wish list was being kept deliberately shadowy.)

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Each of the key groups in Obama’s coalition of the ascendant is growing in society—which means that they will provide an even greater advantage to Democrats over time unless Republicans start winning more of them. “When you have a younger generation with a different set of ideas, and a changing demographic in the country, there’s going to be a tipping point; and during that tipping point, the two sides are roughly at parity,” says Morley Winograd, a senior fellow at the Democratic advocacy group NDN and coauthor with Michael Hais of two books on the millennial generation. “But at some point, that parity goes away and the direction becomes very clear.… We think this coalition is not only ascendant but will be dominant.”…

After these results, the big question facing the GOP is whether it can improve its performance among minorities, especially Hispanics, without returning to George W. Bush’s support for immigration reform that provides a pathway to citizenship for those living here illegally. That policy shift would face impassioned resistance from conservatives. “Looks like a brawl coming soon,” says longtime GOP strategist Mike Murphy. “The question is: Will the party base accept these facts, since they chose to ignore similar facts after Obama’s election four years ago?”…

“That 28 percent [minority-vote share of the electorate] will be 31 percent probably in 2016, and then it will be 34,” notes Matt Barreto, a founder of Latino Decisions, a polling firm that specializes in Hispanic voters. To win future elections, Republicans will need to either improve their minority performance or win even higher percentages of whites. “So it’s either going to get scarier in terms of those huge racial divides,” he says, “or the Republicans are going to have to sit up and say, ‘How can we cut into the Latino, African-American, and the Asian-American vote?’”

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Maybe these people are convinced the larger GOP project can be saved simply by caving on just this one issue. That seems cracked. The bulk of the Hispanic electorate appears to instinctively vote Democratic, and not just because of immigration. (“[T]his is just a fairly liberal voting block.”) Maybe they can be wooed over to the Republican side over the course of decades. But by then there will be another wave of new, instinctively Democratic illegal immigrants (lured by the Boehner Amnesty) for Dems to appeal to. And the idea that the GOPs don’t have to change any of their other ideas if only they appease this one ethnic group (making up 10% of the electorate) is highly questionable, as David Frum has argued. … There were plenty of other reasons why Romney lost. (If he’d gotten McCain’s share of the Latino vote … he still would have lost.)…

A much better strategy would be to enact the enforcement measures (including a border fence and a system of employment checks), then wait a few years and see if they survive. If they do, sure, come up with some kind of amnesty. You could calmly pitch that plan to Latinos–it ends in the same place (amnesty). But that’s not the sort of sensible approach you will insist on if you are part of a stampede of panicked pols and consultants whose only goal is to pander to what they think Latinos want to make up for their shortcomings in other areas.

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If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

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To follow up on the question of whether Hispanics are held back from their natural Republican affinities by immigration-reform obstructionism, let’s not forget Obamacare. A Fox News Latino poll in September 2012 found that 62 percent of likely Latino voters backed President Obama’s handling of health care, including the Affordable Care Act. Only 25 percent of those voters wanted the act repealed. The Catholic Church’s strong opposition to the bill’s contraception mandate did not tip the Latino scales against it, dealing another blow to the myth of the “social values” Hispanic conservative. A Romney Spanish-language ad trumpeting Romney’s opposition to the Affordable Care Act showed that his strategists “don’t know what they are doing,” Latino pollster Matt Barreto told USA Today in August…

Out of sheer fatigue, I would almost be willing to support an E-Verify-preceded amnesty (starting with a DREAM Act that, unlike every extant version, disqualifies applicants with criminal records and requires serious educational attainment) in exchange for the elimination of chain migration and its replacement by a skills-based selection process. Congressional Democrats’ recent torpedoing of green cards for foreign Ph.D. science graduates, however, simply to preserve the “diversity” visa lottery shows how deep Democratic commitment to low-skilled immigration is. It would be risky to assume that they don’t know what they’re doing.

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It is prudent and sensible to favor amnesty for the remaining non-violent, long-term illegal aliens after a fully articulated enforcement system is in place and functioning and proven. But that will require some time, not just to staff up and put the physical and IT infrastructure in place but also to overcome the years-long scorched-earth litigation campaign the ACLU and its comrades will launch to stop all enforcement initiatives. (Or do you think they’ll feel bound by whatever illusory deal their congressional allies are compelled to settle for?)…

The Left understands much better the point of mass immigration. See, for instance, the comments of Eliseo Medina, vice president of the SEIU and an honorary chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America: “[Immigrants] will solidify and expand the progressive coalition for the future. . . . We will create a governing coalition for the long term not just for an election cycle.”

Conservatives shouldn’t be helping them do this.

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“This is a very, very dangerous area for Rubio if he has national aspirations,” said Roy Beck, head of the anti-immigration group Numbers USA. “You’ve had Republicans trying to do this in the past that really lost their status in the party once they did it.”…

In the aftermath of Tuesday’s elections, many Republicans believe they need to recalibrate and listen to Rubio. But while Rubio may be able to sway his Senate colleagues, his influence among House members is less certain.

“My gut is there are not too many Republicans who have been against comprehensive reform who will change positions,” said longtime pro-immigration activist Rick Swartz, who founded the National Immigration Forum. Reform “is easy to talk about but harder to get it done.”

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Former presidential candidate Rick Santorum charged Thursday that President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party held off on immigration reform so they could capitalize politically during the election.

“It did not get done, in my opinion, by this president because he wanted this as an issue,” Santorum said on Fox News’s “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.” “I don’t believe the Democrats are at all sincere about doing anything and compromising with Republicans on immigration.”…

“They would rather have the issue and continue to drive…this wedge between races and creeds and classes or whatever else they want to divide America,” Santorum said of the Democratic approach to the immigration issue. “That’s unfortunate. Let’s see if Barack Obama, in a second term, is serious about solving problems or wants to perpetuate politics.”

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On Feb. 11, 2011, the person who should have been the Republican nominee laconically warned conservatives about a prerequisite for persuading people to make painful adjustments to a rickety entitlement state. Said Indiana’s Gov. Mitch Daniels: “A more affirmative, ‘better angels’ approach to voters is really less an aesthetic than a practical one. With apologies for the banality, I submit that, as we ask Americans to join us on such a boldly different course, it would help if they liked us, just a bit.” Romney was a diligent warrior. Next time, Republicans need a more likable one.

And one who tilts toward the libertarian side of the Republican Party’s fusion of social and laissez-faire conservatism. Most voters already favor less punitive immigration policies than the ones angrily advocated by clenched-fist Republicans unwilling to acknowledge that immigrating — risking uncertainty for personal and family betterment — is an entrepreneurial act. The speed with which civil unions and same-sex marriage have become debatable topics and even mainstream policies is astonishing. As is conservatives’ failure to recognize this: They need not endorse such policies, but neither need they despise those, such as young people, who favor them.

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Via WaPo:

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Amnesty for whoever is here. And it’s gonna be blanket, and it’s gonna be pretty quick. That’s where we’re headed. So I want to get in the game. I want to propose EIB amnesty. And I’ll agree to it. Amnesty for every illegal citizen who is here. There’s just one caveat. In exchange for having all of the laws that have been violated forgiven…

In exchange for blanket automatic citizenship without having to take the test, without having to learn the documents… (You’re here. You’ve been here a number of years so you’re a citizen. That’s where we’re headed.) One caveat: You can’t vote for 25 years. And let’s see how much support that idea gets. Let’s see if amnesty is what really is desired. Let’s see if it’s citizenship that all of these compassionate Democrats really have in mind.

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Hi Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on November 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Two nights in a row vote aqui?

I’ll Hi Scrumpy you!

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I would go so far as to trade my Bishop to have a President Romney who apparently is not even good enough to beat a Ham Sammich.

SparkPlug on November 9, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Perdon no hablo espanol.

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I would go so far as to trade my Bishop to have a President Romney who apparently is not even good enough to beat a Ham Sammich.

SparkPlug on November 9, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I like ham..whatever :)

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Demographics? How about how the gop needs to try to get the young whore voting bloc? 36 percent lead for Obama among that group causes the gender gap to have never been wider.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/267101-gallup-2012-election-had-the-largest-gender-gap-in-history

These gals want free contraception, abortions in drive thru at McDonalds and probably hookups from a federal dating pool!!


Come on Santa and Santa 2016!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzBvQ9EeF3k

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Mourning in America…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Does the ObamaPhone come with a data plan?

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM

“The president has successfully picked the lock in Florida,” said Fernand Amandi, managing partner at the polling firm.

You mean he picked the lock on the back of the polling machines.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I am so sick of Boehner & his visibility, too…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:26 PM

No amnesty. Don’t get weak kneed. Obama’s coalition will fracture.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 10:26 PM

compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances

No one is going to read that. It’s invisible. Douglas Adams was wrong: invisibility is easy. Just combine a few words.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:26 PM

The problem was that most voters were convinced that Bush, not Obama, was to blame for the bad economy. National exit polls showed this. This was the killer that should have been dealt with more effectively.

This amnesty talk is stupidity and won’t help anything.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Say NO to Rush’s amnesty too. They would just issue an EO moving up citizenship date.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

America
North Mexico

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM

No amnesty. Don’t get weak kneed. Obama’s coalition will fracture.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Just like the voters were supposed to reject him en masse once he was elected and had a record to defend, right?

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Stand firm against amnesty. When people get mad, blame Obama for making campaign promises that he knew he couldn’t keep.

Point to his super majority and how they did nothing for Latinos. Point to how he could have issued an EO on Day 1, but instead waited until 100 days before his re-election.

Latinos may not like our anti-amnesty stand, but we’ve never lied to them (unlike Obama).

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Pardon me here but – we’re all sure Romney lost the election, right? Because I keep seeing all these articles about precincts with 108% turnout or with 100% of the votes for Obama, other articles about hundreds of thousands of military ballots that didn’t make it in time.

My own sense is – yeah, some bad things did happen that expanded the Obama/Romney margin, the election should have been closer. But not enough bad things happened to actually change the outcome of the race. Obama would have still won a 100% honest and efficient election, just by a smaller margin.

Is that everyone else’s sense as well?

David Shane on November 9, 2012 at 10:30 PM

This amnesty talk is stupidity and won’t help anything.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

:)

I was hard on you back in the day..

But you won me over..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:31 PM

So basically we are screwed, theres nothing we can do about anything. Dem majority is here forever. Thanks for capping off an awesome week, allah.

Jack_Burton on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Just like the voters were supposed to reject him en masse once he was elected and had a record to defend, right?

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Obama will not be on the ballot again. Latinos were very frustrated with him in his first term, but are convinced that if he’s going to act, he’ll certainly do it now. They don’t want any excuses. Let them blame Obama.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

HA seems to be really quiet since Tuesday night. Lots of regulars are missing, so I may bow out for a while…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Heather MacDonald is the go-to person who has an understanding of the Latino/Hispanic issue. Policy makers and legislators would be wise to heed her wonkish study of this coalition.

onlineanalyst on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

From Daniel Hannan, a great conservative in the UK:

“The Tea Party movement and the Occupy movement were both, in a sense, complaining about the same thing, namely the use of public money to rescue failed banks. It’s not often one gets the chance to write this but, when it comes to the bailouts, especially the euro bailouts, Marxists are right. Working people are being forced to support a privileged few.

Conservatives are supposed to be against public subsidies and nationalisations. When they line up with wealthy bankers and bondholders against taxpayers, they lose. They deserve to.”

Another wake up call. Why should we be hearing our side complain about food stamp huksters before we good after the massive fraud of the banks and other financial institutions?

They in reality are the worst offenders.

rickyricardo on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

:)

I was hard on you back in the day..

But you won me over..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The bluegill will betray you. :)

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

David Shane on November 9, 2012 at 10:30 PM

I think if you start talking about fraud, you learn nothing.

We know exactly what went wrong. Now do we have the will to fix it, or are we going to keep deluding ourselves into a permanent minority?

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 10:33 PM

David Shane on November 9, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Indeed!

onlineanalyst on November 9, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I foresee a proposal by some sufficiently brave Republican candidate to take all the benefits and advantages that Blacks currently enjoy and give them all to Latinos. Let them fight over it. “Divide et impera”.

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

So basically we are screwed, theres nothing we can do about anything. Dem majority is here forever. Thanks for capping off an awesome week, allah.

Jack_Burton on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Yep.

But Allah shouldn’t have been the messenger of that bad news..

Your eyes should be..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

“This is not a choice. It’s either extinction or survival.”

The GOP is a false entity… why should it have eternal life over it’s own constituencies? I’d rather have political parties be completely broken up than to “reform”.

They need not endorse such policies, but neither need they despise those, such as young people, who favor them.

This is a little indirect since he’s talking about SSM and drug policy, but you can’t talk about young people anymore without segmenting by race… this used to not be true but it absolutely is now. The age of talking about the “youth” in general is over. Romney won the white youth vote.

cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

Vote by Age and Race
White 18-29 (11%)[same in both polls]

Obama: 54% – MCain: 44%
Obama: 44% – Romney: 51%

ninjapirate on November 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Screw ethnicity. I want my free stuff

petefrt on November 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

The bluegill will betray you. :)

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Not that again??? :)

Where is Dire?

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM

No to Amnesty and hold firm to Conservative principles. Good policy ideas make the best and most appealing messages, but the messengers need to believe it.

Slainte on November 9, 2012 at 10:35 PM

But you won me over..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Like Mitt?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM

The Tea Party needs to be much more vocal against crony capitalism. Instead of worrying about the little guy, they nee to focus on the nexus of goobermint officials and their Wall Street enablers.

The public would take notice.

rickyricardo on November 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Ola HA, nosotros are chingaroned.

a little music from my friend.

arnold ziffel on November 9, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Like Mitt?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Bluegill changed her views..
her convictions..
On her own..

47% of this country hasn’t done what bluegill has done.

and Mitt or anyone can change that…

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Another amnesty thread??? Here’s the quote from Ace and the link to Mickey Kaus’ great article.

Here’s the problem: Hispanics are sort of in favor of amnesty.

But that’s not why they vote Democratic. They vote Democratic because… they’re Democrats.

So we’re making a play for a very Democratic voting bloc by promising to make more Democrats.”

Here’s also the link to NumbersUSA which already has faxes to all the leadership warning them of what will happen if they try to push amnesty again. It’s a pre-emptive strike.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM

and Mitt or anyone can change that…

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Correction..
Can’t change that..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Just because I like it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cksvLRO8YaY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

wolly4321 on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

It’s like deja vu all over again?

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Are you serious?

Okay, try posting something positive about Palin and watch the water churn. You can have her. Want a doughball?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Amnesty for whoever is here. And it’s gonna be blanket, and it’s gonna be pretty quick. That’s where we’re headed. So I want to get in the game. I want to propose EIB amnesty. And I’ll agree to it. Amnesty for every illegal citizen who is here. There’s just one caveat. In exchange for having all of the laws that have been violated forgiven…

In exchange for blanket automatic citizenship without having to take the test, without having to learn the documents… (You’re here. You’ve been here a number of years so you’re a citizen. That’s where we’re headed.) One caveat: You can’t vote for 25 years. And let’s see how much support that idea gets. Let’s see if amnesty is what really is desired. Let’s see if it’s citizenship that all of these compassionate Democrats really have in mind.

Rush Limbaugh advocating taxation without representation. Great job.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

arnold ziffel on November 9, 2012 at 10:37 PM

“chingado”?

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

“chingado”?

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

He’s swearing.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:43 PM

ninjapirate on November 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM

ninjapirate: Young people have been “educated” via cooperative learning for almost two decades. They have a hive mind, a collectivist training that does not encourage competitive striving for individual success.

I would imagine that the statistics that you cite show a shift of young college-educated people who are unemployed or underemployed in the Obysmal economy, the ones that Paul Ryan referred to as having faded posters of Obama in the bedrooms of their parents’ homes. These youngsters saw through the ShamWow bill of goods.

onlineanalyst on November 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM

“chingado”?

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

No need to talk dirty…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM

I think if you start talking about fraud, you learn nothing.

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Oh really?

Fraud in PA: Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow “30%” Above Gov’t Numbers

And please read it all, especially the good stuff that is happening in Ohio.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Are you serious?

Okay, try posting something positive about Palin and watch the water churn. You can have her. Want a doughball?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

lol sis, I think EG is sincere and trying to be nice. Me no trust fishy.

arnold ziffel on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I wonder if we could stop talking about the ethnicity of the various morons in our citizenry?

I don’t care what color you are–if you voted for Obama you are part of the problem.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I don’t care what color you are–if you voted for Obama you are part of the problem.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Ditto for those who voted for Romney.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 10:46 PM

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 PM

So why the need for your filthy language?

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Okay, try posting something positive about Palin and watch the water churn. You can have her. Want a doughball?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Thank you. As much as I like Electrongod, somebody had to say that.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM

So why the need for your filthy language?

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Akaka.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM

clenched-fist Republicans

such moronicity. the clenched fist is the Left…that’s the symbol.

there are many groups that love them some Socialism…not just those with hispanic surnames (remember, not a race)

the Northern tier of this country from the northern part of europe set the progressive agenda 100 years ago…got so bad that the DFL in MN had to be purged of the commies in the 40s

most of the world loves themselves some socialism…very appealing philosophy…and we have progressed long down the road ourselves.

so now we’re getting into the final innings. we know that ultimately it doesn’t work. we know that capitalism is correct. we know that the left will spend us into oblivion.

Rs must say that time and time again. leftists may cackle at the plight of the right…but the truth is the truth. go ahead with the immigration project…some Rs will be chasing after D voters with dollar bills…or they themselves will ‘convert’ to the Socialist party.

but let the 35 percent stand for truth.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Here’s also the link to NumbersUSA which already has faxes to all the leadership warning them of what will happen if they try to push amnesty again. It’s a pre-emptive strike.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Nonsense, everyone knows that if we try amnesty just one more time, this time, surely the Hispanics will all vote for Republicans like they’re supposed to! /

Really, it’s amazing how dim the so called “moderates” are. Not content with getting crushed by the worst president in modern history, they are now busy handing the opposing party millions of brand new voters on a silver platter, for effectively no gain at all.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM

And please read it all, especially the good stuff that is happening in Ohio.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Love you, JP.

I don’t doubt any of that, but I was looking for more today, and it’s nowhere to be found!? Sent a tip into HA at noon, and they didn’t cover it.

(Don’t tell me about the liberal media, ’cause you’d be singin’ to the choir. But I can’t find anything else on this.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Are you serious?

Okay, try posting something positive about Palin and watch the water churn. You can have her. Want a doughball?

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Yes…
Bluegill has her issues with Palin..
But she has come around on other issues..

I recognize that..

Growth..

It is what we are lacking..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM

He’s swearing.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Didn’t mean to–but he got the participle wrong, I think.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:50 PM

In other news from Drudge:

COPS: Rappers Rob Studio After Recording Session…

Say it ain’t so!

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Abolish the evil INS immigration laws are racist…ask the Guatamalans.

No rules.

Everyone in.

Let it burn.

harlekwin15 on November 9, 2012 at 10:50 PM

America is over $16 trillion in debt. The “official” unemployment rate still hovers around 8%.

Our federal government claims the right to spy on American citizens, indefinitely detain them, and even assassinate them without trial.

Domestic drones fly over the country for civilian surveillance.

Twelve million fewer Americans voted in 2012 than in 2008, yet political pundits scratch their heads.

It’s not hard to see why, though.

To go along with endorsing a never-ending policy of bailouts, “stimulus packages,” and foreign military adventurism, the establishment of neither major party questions the assaults on Americans’ liberties I’ve named above.

As my campaign showed, the American people are fed up. Many realized heading into Tuesday that regardless of who won the presidential election, the status quo would be the real victor.

GOP leadership is now questioning why they didn’t perform better.

They’re looking at demographic changes in the United States and implying minorities can only be brought into the party by loudly advocating for abandoning what little remains of their limited government platform and endorsing more statist policies.

My presidential campaign proved that standing for freedom brings people together.

Liberty is popular – regardless of race, religion, or creed.

As long as the GOP establishment continues to not only reject the liberty message, but actively drive away the young, diverse coalition that supports those principles, it will see results similar to Tuesday’s outcome.

A renewed respect for liberty is the only way forward for the Republican Party and for our country.

I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.

FloatingRock on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Ditto for those who voted for Romney.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 10:46 PM

I hope you & all the other ABRs are the first laid off/out of business.

Meanwhile, with all the Dem revisionist history & talking points around here today to make sure nobody notices what *actually* happened on Tuesday with those voting results, this place might as well just be called the Daily Kos.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Bullsh!t. She’s a punk and always will be a punk.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM

*group hug*

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Didn’t mean to–but he got the participle wrong, I think.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Doesn’t get filthier or nastier/more vile than what you said upstream in Spanish…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

this place might as well just be called the Daily Kos.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

The dump does need a serious cleanin’.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I urge all my Republican colleagues to join the liberty movement in fighting for a brighter future.

FloatingRock on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Too late buddy — you had your chance to vote for a brighter future last Tuesday.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

*group hug*

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

The fish stinks from the head down.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Thank you. As much as I like Electrongod, somebody had to say that.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM

That’s usually Bmore’s line. I’m just representin’ the Palin branch of the family tonight.

No Palin. No Peace.

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

FWIW Many of our illegals have come from countries with rigid class structures and socialist governments. When they come to the US, they are told that this is a free country, and they take that word “free” literally. With all of the safety nets that abound, what is to disabuse them of this understanding? The quality of their lives in the US certainly is better than what they had back home. Of course, they will support the party that continues to provide the goods. (How they have the ability to vote for their Dem benefactors as illegals is a topic for another day/blog.)

onlineanalyst on November 9, 2012 at 10:54 PM

No Palin. No Peace.

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

I like that.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Bullsh!t. She’s a punk and always will be a punk.

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

We are now living Post Election..

she could have rubbed our faces in it.

But she continues to fight for our side..

Why?

*I am not yelling…I am just inquiring*

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I’ll tell you what. If these assclowns give us Christie in ’16,…

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

she could have rubbed our faces in it.

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Rubbed our faces in what?!?

rogerb, you got any priceless panfish -Romney posts?

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Dave Mustaine is conservative..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi0yu9duprE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

wolly4321 on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

(Don’t tell me about the liberal media, ’cause you’d be singin’ to the choir. But I can’t find anything else on this.)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Someone else posted a link to another site with similar stuff, but I forgot to save it. Are all the votes even counted yet?

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Greetings.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

*grouper hug*

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Ack! Thtbbft!

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I’ll tell you what. If these assclowns give us Christie in ’16,…

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I think we just found common ground Lanceman.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

keep the faith my American friends…
or you can always join us up north where there’s plenty of work, good government and friendly natives. We admire your exceptionalism even if your own government doesn’t.

kellyjane on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I said it before and I will say it again. Romney would not have won another state even if he had 40% of the Latino vote. NONE! And he would have lost Ohio and Virginia and the election if he had won 60% of the Hispanic vote. Also easily losing Iowa, New Hamshire, Wisconsin,

Latino’s made up just 10.0% of the vote. About half of that vote in 5 non battleground states[Texas-Cali-Arizona-Illinois-New York]. Anybody worried about losing those states. Well 5.5 of the 12 million votes from Hispanics came from those states. That leaves just 6.5 million votes that are Hispanic in the other 45 states. In 2016 it will be just 11% of the vote.

The biggest threat to the Republican party is to give voting rights to the 15-20 million illegals. This would jump the voting percentage of Latinos from 11% to 16-20%. Now that would be a constituency the Dems would feast on. And trust me, this is all the Dems want….voting rights.

KMav on November 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM

rogerb, you got any priceless panfish -Romney posts?

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:56 PM

OK..

I will wait..

:)

seriously..

From what I have seen..
Bluegill has crossed the line..
Is there recent stuff that shows she hasn’t?

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM

*sip*

Guys, it’s Friday. You’ve accidentally fallen into arguing about whether it’s OK to like bluegill and how much Spanish swearing is too much. :)

Though, to tell you the truth, I’d rather read the thread scrolling that argument than immigration and the GOP’s inability to this and that. The amnesty thing is like a lead weight.

Nevermind. It wasn’t my business anyway:

Bluegill. Satan, pain in the ass, or friend? Discuss. In Spanish.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

keep the faith my American friends…
or you can always join us up north where there’s plenty of work, good government and friendly natives. We admire your exceptionalism even if your own government doesn’t.

kellyjane on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I’m on my way. Sault Ste-Marie is where I will probably land.

beatcanvas on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Someone else posted a link to another site with similar stuff, but I forgot to save it. Are all the votes even counted yet?

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I’ve been gone all evening, but I’d be surprised if FL is done. Also, read today that it’s not uncommon to be counting votes for a week (from various places).

Approaching the election, the thing I was most worried about was the democrats stealing it through fraud. We desperately need Voter ID. The only reason the dems oppose is that they know they have the edge in cheating.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Hello fellow gassers , please allow me to rant about my election day experience :

I was waiting in line and there was this man in an orange t-shirt behind me, talking like crazy in spanish, on his cell phone basically yelling the person at the other end to wait and be patient . Then he spotted a female polling agent and asked her
( not exactly his exact words)
” Excuse me, I have my workers waiting outside and they would like to vote here, but we are not from here so can we vote here ?”
The female worker said
” Where are you all from ?”
The man said ” Santa Cruz”
The female worker said ” OK, I’ll let you all vote, but tell them to not vote on local city and country propositions because you are not from this city and county. ”
The man, who was still on his cell phone said in spanish
” everyone come inside”
The female asked the man ” have you all voted at any other place , in this city and county today ?”
The man said “NO” and by the time I got my ballots and went and voted and dropped them in the box, this man had 8 latino men ambling in to the room, cutting in front of everyone else behind him and the female asked them in spanish ” did you vote today?” and their leader said “NO” .
After that ,they all got their ballots, no
names were checked.
I had left the room and I decided to hang around in the parking lot to see who those people were.
A group of 9 ( yes 9) men came out holding stubs of ballots in their hands, back slapping and laughing , their leader got into the driver’s seat of this large white van, the rest got in the back and drove away.
I think I’ll stop now

burrata on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Doing amnesty or even amnesty light will do nothing but add troops (voters) to an enemy (the Democrat Party) that already wants to wipe us from the face of the earth. It’s nothing different than saying, “Hey, Dinner Jacket, we want you to like us so why don’t you stop that silly Irani nuke program and we’ll just give you some of ours.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Where the hell is petunia?

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 PM

We knew the Soviet Union would eventually collapse. We know that Democratic policies will lead to a disaster, particularly regarding the debt.

The problem with testing that theory is that it necessarily means letting the Democrats have enough power to fail big time, as in a real meltdown of the economy, not the pretend stuff that happened in 2008.

Rather than try to fight the Democrats, the House Republicans should vote “Present” to make it clear that it’s Obama and the Democrats who are driving the bus off the cliff.

In the game of chicken, the winner wins because the loser indeed has something to lose. The Democrats are convinced that the Republicans won’t let them go over the fiscal cliff. I say speed spoil, hasten plunder.

Let’s supercharge the bus. Let the Bush tax cuts expire. The rich can afford it, the middle class not so much. Let the Democrats borrow even more money. Let inflation rise to 20% and let the dollar collapse. I don’t really care if the US and world economies melt down. The sooner we get this mess over with, the better it will be for those of us who survive. I have children and grandchildren and though I worry about them, and about my brother in Israel who could get nuked by Iran for all Obama cares, but I don’t see any alternative to letting the folks who voted for Obama get his vision of America good and hard, as Mencken put it.

No amount of preaching by conservatives and libertarians will convince Americans who have been miseducated by a dumbed down and politicized educational system for two generations now. The left owns education in America. Hunger, though, is a great teacher. So let the Democrats bring on the disaster. The people have spoken, let them enjoy the consequences of their actions.

rokemronnie on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Amnesty for whoever is here. And it’s gonna be blanket, and it’s gonna be pretty quick. That’s where we’re headed. So I want to get in the game. I want to propose EIB amnesty. And I’ll agree to it. Amnesty for every illegal citizen who is here. There’s just one caveat. In exchange for having all of the laws that have been violated forgiven…

In exchange for blanket automatic citizenship without having to take the test, without having to learn the documents… (You’re here. You’ve been here a number of years so you’re a citizen. That’s where we’re headed.) One caveat: You can’t vote for 25 years. And let’s see how much support that idea gets. Let’s see if amnesty is what really is desired. Let’s see if it’s citizenship that all of these compassionate Democrats really have in mind.

Rush Limbaugh advocating taxation without representation. Great job.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

He’s not advocating anything. He’s making a ridiculous offer to make a point – that these people are being used as a permanent voting bloc and without the vote they offer they’ll be quickly abandoned.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 11:05 PM

keep the faith my American friends…
or you can always join us up north where there’s plenty of work, good government and friendly natives. We admire your exceptionalism even if your own government doesn’t.

kellyjane on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Lol. Was thinking about that since before the election. I offered to be coyote for a canopfor operation. We haven’t discussed it since Tuesday. (<<Pssst. I’m still game, canopfor.>>)

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I’ll tell you what. If these assclowns give us Christie in ’16,…

Lanceman on November 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Don’t worry, we’ll have “evolved” out of our need for stupid elections by then.

squint on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Nevermind. It wasn’t my business anyway:

Bluegill. Satan, pain in the ass, or friend? Discuss. In Spanish.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

No..
It is you business..
I don’t visit HotAir that much..

*That’s a joke*

but I do miss out on some discussions..

I have seen bluegill fighting against Obama..
And Palin..

But Palin wasn’t in the race..

Electrongod on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Approaching the election, the thing I was most worried about was the democrats stealing it through fraud. We desperately need Voter ID. The only reason the dems oppose is that they know they have the edge in cheating.

RedCrow on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Voter ID is not going to stop what is already in motion.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

rickyricardo on November 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Found it odd that the campaign ignored Corzine, myself.

Not to put to fine a point on it, but…

Palin, 2016.

wolfsDad on November 9, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Discuss. In Spanish.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

¿le gustaría salsa tártara o salsa de tomate con el pescado azul?

What happened to Altavista Babelfish? I had to go to teh Google.

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 11:09 PM

If Conservatives evolve away from their core values, what will distinquish them from Liberals?

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM

The GOPe will betray you..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I don’t know who I’m more teed off at — the Obama cultists or out own people who sat it out (don’t even try to come at me with the ORCA bs for that — the only Republican who needs to be dragged out of beds &/or pool halls to be bussed to vote against the SCoaMF is not a Republican).

All this revisionist history & blaming everyone wants to give Romney when he was not just a R running against a D but a rich, white old guy running against Dear Leader from out side today and how if he was “better” this election wouldn’t be close makes me want to scream. May I please remind you that George W. Bush almost lost to John Kerry. JOHN effing KERRY!!!! He had to be swift-boated to be beaten, and as effective as that was, he still almost became POTUS (and, actually, was President Elect for a full 7 hours).

The enemy here is the MSM — us buying into the stories they are putting out about our candidate and/or what we need to do to “win” elections is not the right tact to take.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM

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