Poll: Romney got a smaller share of the Mormon vote than Bush did?

posted at 6:36 pm on November 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

Only slightly smaller, but still.

At the Corner, they’re wondering whether these numbers were skewed by the fact that Utah and Idaho weren’t exit-polled this year. I don’t think so. There were no intensive exit polls of those states individually, but the people responsible for the comprehensive national exit poll said a few months ago that they’d include voters from all 50 in that one. Mormons in Utah should be represented.

Shocking or no, then? I wouldn’t have guessed that the first Mormon nominee might keep pace with Bush among evangelicals (and far outpace McCain) while slipping a bit with members of his own faith. But maybe Bush simply maxed out the Mormon vote in 2004, possibly due to the greater focus on social issues in the campaign that year or possibly due to a better GOTV effort. Or, more likely, maybe the same demographic forces that are affecting the rest of the country are affecting Mormons too. We’re talking about a small shift here, from 80% backing for Bush to 78% for Mitt, but there might now be enough of a “generation gap” between older and younger Mormons to account for that:

“A lot of younger Mormons—those born in the last twenty years—really grew up in that environment,” says Bowman. “They feel at home in America. While their parents tend to be social conservatives, these younger people are less so. They are more culturally comfortable in the United States, and many of them tend to be more liberal.”…

As president of the student chapter of BYU’s Political Affairs Society, David Romney says Mormons have a “wide variety of political views.” From what he observes on campus, there are many young people on both sides of the spectrum who want to get involved in the political sphere. “But having a Mormon running for president is not shaping those people’s views.”

Back in May, RCP noted a “significant subsection of younger, liberal-leaning church members who are emphatic supporters of Obama and who cannot relate to Romney as a politician, despite their shared faith.” For a mirror image of that, consider that having Joe Lieberman on the ticket as the first Jewish VP nominee didn’t do much for Gore in 2000 with Jewish voters. Bush earned 19% of the Jewish vote that year, which was actually a few points better than the 16% Bob Dole took in 1996 and the measly 11% George H.W. Bush received in 1992. Obama has increased Democrats’ share of the black vote but only by a few points; it was already stratospheric, exceeding 90% in some elections in the past. Point being, I’m not at all sure why people believe that nominating someone from a particular racial/ethnic/religious group will meaningfull increase the party’s support among that group, a lesson the GOP should bear in mind before coronating Rubio as a silver-bullet approach to solving their problem with Latino voters. In fact, PPP (the most accurate state pollster of the election) polled a hypothetical Romney/Rubio ticket in Florida back in May. Result: Not only didn’t Rubio outperform other potential VP nominees, he actually caused Romney to lose two points when added to the ticket. Romney’s share of the Latino vote in that poll went from 37% without Rubio on the ticket to … 37% with him on it. Not a surprise, if you believe that Latino voters skew Democratic on policy. Maybe all of that would change if Rubio suddenly achieved historic status as the first Latino major party nominee. But maybe not.

Anyway, I think the more amazing result here isn’t that Mitt slid a tiny bit with Mormon voters from 2004, it’s that he didn’t slide with evangelicals. Presumably they’re subject to the same “generation gap” dynamic as Mormons are. What happened?


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Back in May, RCP noted a “significant subsection of younger, liberal-leaning church members who are emphatic supporters of Obama and who cannot relate to Romney as a politician, despite their shared faith.”

For every 2 Mormon Parents, there are 8-12 Mormon kids.

Their lib children outvoted their parents?

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Maybe conservative Mormons didn’t want to vote for Mitt Romney either?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Fraudulent Election

stackedeck on November 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Maybe all of that would change if Rubio suddenly achieved historic status as the first Latino major party nominee. But maybe not.

Don’t forget, Rubio and his parents were Mormon once. Then left the church and went back to the Catholic faith.

Maybe it will hurt him with Mormons?

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

When are the RINO GOPers going to learn???

Ron Paul wouldn’t of lost

Tons are conservatives stayed home and you ALL know it.

I hope the current GOP dies

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Isn’t it time to declare that Romney has ran the most inept presidential campaign in history? Worse than even McShame?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Allah – I think many saw the writing on the wall with the economic crapstorm that is coming and figured the blame would fall somewhere regarding faith – ergo Mormons. If you know you’re going to be the fall guy (or faith), do you play?

SkinnerVic on November 9, 2012 at 6:44 PM

I will NEVER believe that 9 million primarily rural white voters simply sat this election out.

So the Bible-thumpin, gun totin, racist rednecks had a chance to get rid of the black Muslim baby-killer in the Oval Office and just sat it out? Couldn’t be bothered?

You’d have to be crazy to believe that.

Also noticed how they decide to not exit poll rural areas this time so we will never know will we? Anyone notice how the D+6 exit polling they did do just happened to exactly match the sample used my media pollsters for months?

mitchellvii on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Ron Paul would have done worse than Romney

ChunkyLover on November 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Fraudulent Election

stackedeck on November 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Yup.

SailorMark on November 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

What’s the margin of error on the exit polls? Could be that the numbers were the same and there wasn’t a drop….

Also, I think Mormons in the middle might have tipped over into Obama’s column precisely because Romney was Mormon. You can’t be accused of ‘just voting for the guy because he’s Mormon’ if you are not voting for the Mormon. Your indie cred in politics will be cemented for life….any time someone says “You’re just supporting that guy because he’s a Republican” you can whip out the fact that you chose Obama over Romney (the Republican Mormon) and people have to know you’re legit.

JadeNYU on November 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

So the Bible-thumpin, gun totin, racist rednecks had a chance to get rid of the black Muslim baby-killer in the Oval Office and just sat it out? Couldn’t be bothered?

You’d have to be crazy to believe that.

mitchellvii on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

You’d would have to be crazy to believe that, because they are none of those things.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

The most conservative the electorate gets is the primaries and Paul didn’t make it out of that round of voting.

What do you think would have changed in the generals that would have resulted in a Paul victory?

JadeNYU on November 9, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Poll: Romney got a smaller share of the Mormon vote than Bush did?

Repeat after me: Comrade, there was no voter fraud involved.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but come on, something is not right. 99.9% voter turnout in some democratic precints and massive crowds show up for Romney rally but don’t show up to vote? Just doesn’t jive with me.

jams on November 9, 2012 at 6:49 PM

The Loss, an autopsy of an expired Presidential race. Pages and pages and more pages until 2016.

How ’bout this. He lost, new day.

Limerick on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

The 2012 numbers simply make no sense.

Over-all voter turnout lower than 2008?
White vote lower than 2008?
Military vote lower than 2008?
Rural vote lower than 2008?
Mormon vote lower than 2008?

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Anyway, I think the more amazing result here isn’t that Mitt slid a tiny bit with Mormon voters from 2004, it’s that he didn’t slide with evangelicals. Presumably they’re subject to the same “generation gap” dynamic as Mormons are. What happened?

The WaPo did a story on the church the Romneys would attend in DC if elected. It was clear that all of these people were Obama supporters. So, I don’t think it is fair to just assume that Romney had the Mormon vote sewn up any more than you would think that no sane practicing Jew or Catholic would vote for the rat-eared wonder. Let’s not forget that Harry Reid is also a Mormon.

Beyond that, this wasn’t the 2008 election where the Huckster was able to leverage out inherint bigotry among a certain type of evangelical. It just wasn’t an issue because the bigger cause was getting rid of the rat-eared wonder.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Maybe, just maybe, everyone was too lazy or burned out to vote.

Limerick on November 9, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Can we really get an accurate result in a national poll about a very small group like Mormons? The margin of error has to be large.

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Only 2% less? That sounds within the margin of error to me and probably insignificant as a result.

Queasy on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Very interesting post Allah..Interesting data..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Is simple Comrade, “How the comrades vote is not important, Who count’s the comrades votes is all that counts”…

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Idiots like many of the Libertarians on HA who decided to protest that Mitt wasn’t ideologically pure enough for conservatives to support. They were perfectly happy to see the rat-eared wonder get a second term than to elect somebody with a less strident ideology than one finds at Ron Paul rallies.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Idiots like many of the Libertarians on HA who decided to protest that Mitt wasn’t ideologically pure enough…

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

There just aren’t that many libertarians.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Ron Paul wouldn’t of lost

Tons are conservatives stayed home and you ALL know it.

I hope the current GOP dies

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Dude- Ron Paul didn’t even win a primary. He didn’t even win in VA where Romney was the only other name on the ticket. You want to see conservatives stay home and not vote? Put a racist isolationist fool like Paul at the top of the ticket.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhh…it wasn’t stolen, we p*s*ed it away.

Limerick on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Can we really get an accurate result in a national poll about a very small group like Mormons? The margin of error has to be large.

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

If that’s the case, it will be similarly large for Jewish people as they represent the same % of the population. Though, I guess for both groups it’s not really important to know if 90% of them voted for the party they usually vote for or if 92% of them voted for the party they usually vote for…

JadeNYU on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 PM

RINO GOPers

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

If you are referring to the Republican Party, “RINO GOPers” is now redundant.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Libertarians are why my state legalized pot. I don’t like libertarians. Not one bit.

Voter from WA State on November 9, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Which is why I’m slightly surprised that the rat-eared wonder did not “evolve” on his position concerning the legalization of pot. It is the only thing that Libertarians care about and it surely would have drawn off Romney votes. I guess it didn’t poll well with focus groups.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Well…They could’ve come out for Mia Love

*kicks rocks*

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Show me the data sample folks exit polled who said they were Mormon.. then you can see how making assumptions like this is just silly. thank you in advance.

gatorboy on November 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Libertarians are why my state legalized pot. I don’t like libertarians. Not one bit.

Voter from WA State on November 9, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Sup, sup, sup.

( I voted YES on Referendum-74 too. )

Jeddite on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Is simple Comrade, “How the comrades vote is not important, Who count’s the comrades votes is all that counts”…

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 PM

http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/October_Revolution_Obama.jpg

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 7:02 PM

The Loss, an autopsy of an expired Presidential race. Pages and pages and more pages until 2016.

How ’bout this. He lost, new day.

Limerick on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You’re working with air crash investigations?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:03 PM

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Let’s ask the UN poll watchers…

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Who woulda thunk Ronnie’s party would morph into Lindsey’s party?

Limerick on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

these ****ing pop up ads are getting worse & worse. now you don’t even have the option of closing them. I especially like the smug face of barry staring me in the face. keep it up HA I won’t be coming back.

sbvft contributor on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Perhaps it’s just that the final numbers aren’t in yet, as per AP’s update to the post below.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/08/projection-nearly-eight-million-white-voters-who-were-expected-to-vote-didnt/

cam2 on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Election was stolen.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com.au/

Someone smarter than me can explain if this is not the truth.

It’s incomprehensible that Romney would get fewer Mormon votes than Bush.

avagreen on November 9, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM

That was stunning and disappointing at the same time..:(

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 7:07 PM

sbvft contributor on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Do you have AdBlock Plus? That seems to be what’s keeping them from showing up on FF. I never see the ads that others complain of.

avagreen on November 9, 2012 at 7:07 PM

and when will we have a post dissecting Obama’s share of the African American vote and how it compares to Bill “honest abe” Clinton?

gatorboy on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Ron Paul wouldn’t of lost

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

While I share the sentiment regarding the GOP being on the verge of death; Ron Paul would not have won the election. Ever.

When we say we needed a conservative running, we meant a sane conservative, someone like Jindal, Palin, et al.

Ron Paul? Not so much.

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

these ****ing pop up ads are getting worse & worse. now you don’t even have the option of closing them. I especially like the smug face of barry staring me in the face. keep it up HA I won’t be coming back.

sbvft contributor on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Adblock Plus

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:09 PM

sbvft contributor on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Do you have AdBlock Plus? That seems to be what’s keeping them from showing up on FF. I never see the ads that others complain of.

avagreen on November 9, 2012 at 7:07 PM

After years of procrastinating, I finally went with Firefox and Ad-block.

Blood pressure is much better.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I’ll give you a plausible explanation for the impossible numbers. 2008 was a non-incumbency election featuring both Obama and Palin amidst an historic economic meltdown. 2012 was, comparatively speaking, the morning after, various ideological imperatives notwithstanding.

In 2008 a lot of voters were either terrified or euphoric. This year a lot were just sullen or depressed.

Seth Halpern on November 9, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I will NEVER believe that 9 million primarily rural white voters simply sat this election out.

So the Bible-thumpin, gun totin, racist rednecks had a chance to get rid of the black Muslim baby-killer in the Oval Office and just sat it out? Couldn’t be bothered?

You’d have to be crazy to believe that.

Also noticed how they decide to not exit poll rural areas this time so we will never know will we? Anyone notice how the D+6 exit polling they did do just happened to exactly match the sample used my media pollsters for months?

mitchellvii on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

This.

Everyone buying the MSM after the fact spin to cover up that 314,000 votes changed the entire outcome of the election is a fool or worse: no smarter than the average Obama supporter.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Ron Paul wouldn’t of lost

Tons are conservatives stayed home and you ALL know it.

I hope the current GOP dies

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I was going to yell at you for this comment – then I thought … “he’s right”.

I don’t like Ron Paul at all – his tinfoil ideas on foreign policy suck but they seem to resonate with the American public. And – know they like his domestic policies and so do I.

So … from an electability standpoint – the Willard theory has now been proven wrong – and I think Ron Paul – with all his problems may have been a more electable Republican than Willard was – certainly.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

When we say we needed a conservative running, we meant a sane conservative, someone like Jindal, Palin, et al.

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 PM

And I don’t think the Republican Party will get behind any conservative.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Idiots like many of the Libertarians on HA who decided to protest that Mitt wasn’t ideologically pure enough for conservatives to support. They were perfectly happy to see the rat-eared wonder get a second term than to elect somebody with a less strident ideology than one finds at Ron Paul rallies.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I think Happy Nomad is right. Plenty of folks here at HA said they would stay home if Mitt was the candidate, and it looks like they meant it. I suppose they will be happy with the SCOTUS picks (more Kelo, and next climate change), Obamacare (go to a VA hospital to see your future medical care) and lots and lots of unemployment.

Yeah, Romney wasn’t worth getting off their lazy butt for.

Considering orca, what a cluster…orca, sandy and Chris Christie, Mitt did AMAZING running against Santa. Imagine if we ACTUALLY stuck together like the dems, or turned out the vote with machinery based on self-reliance and propsperity instead of revenge and free crap. We’d better get with the times or we will never win another election in our lifetimes.

JustTruth101 on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Ron Paul wouldn’t of lost

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Yes. Yes he would have.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 PM

This.

Everyone buying the MSM after the fact spin to cover up that 314,000 votes changed the entire outcome of the election is a fool or worse: no smarter than the average Obama supporter.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

So you’re claiming election fraud?

Can ya prove it? Or is this just something you “feel in your bones”?

LMFAO

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 PM

That was stunning and disappointing at the same time..:(

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Yeah. But hey, she’s still young and I hope she’ll try again. What a breath of un-jaded fresh air!

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Okay, confession time. I didn’t want to admit to this before, but I am a Mormon. I was afraid I would be accused of supporting Romney purely because of our shared religion.

I do believe however that I can offer some explanation to the above numbers however.

Mormonism is actually one of the fastest growing religions in the world, due both in part due to aggressive conversion, and a tendency towards starting larger families at a younger age.

However, in the united states we focus most of our missionary efforts out west, and in particular we’ve focused more heavily on converting Hispanics in recent years. Hispanics are less secular to begin with, so they’re seen as fertile ground for creating converts. Given how quickly we grow through conversion, its likely that the LDS church is simply less predominantly white than it was in 2004.

If I has to guess, I’d say that Hispanic Mormons likely supported Romney more heavily than non-hispanic Mormons, but less heavily than Caucasian Mormons. This would likely explain the overall marginal drop in support. Though of course without detailed data on the voting habits of minority Mormons, I can’t say for sure.

WolvenOne on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

sorry, i can’t take anymore polls….polls with unknown reliability and validity

the left wants to construct anthropological and sociological narratives about the country and how its history is unfolding.

I want a country where Pew is irrelevant.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Wow. The Jews love them some Dems, huh?

Must be that self-loathing thing.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

For Napoleon Obama: There’ll Always Be Saint Helena….

M2RB: Napoleon XIV

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/11/for-napoleon-obama-therell-always-be.html

Resist We Much on November 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM

. What happened?

Fraud.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM

I think Happy Nomad is right. Plenty of folks here at HA said they would stay home if Mitt was the candidate, and it looks like they meant it.

JustTruth101 on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

We pretty much told you that all along – you didn’t believe us.

As far as SCOTUS picks … two words …

John Roberts

two more?

Anthony Kennedy

GOP isn’t much better with SCOTUS picks my friend.

And anyway – your GOP Ayatollahs can always have the stones to filibuster SCOTUS nominees that are distasteful – if they had the balls to do it (as the Dims did).

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Says the Obama voter who sent money to Princess Fauxahontas.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Laugh while you can parasite — your host is dying.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Obamacare (go to a VA hospital to see your future medical care) and lots and lots of unemployment.

Yeah, Romney wasn’t worth getting off their lazy butt for.

JustTruth101 on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I’m not getting rid of all of health care reform” – Mitt Romney

“One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like.” – Mitt Romney

“I hope we’re ultimately able to eliminate some of the differences, and repeal the bad and keep the good.” – Mitt Romney

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Fraud.

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 7:15 PM

LMFAO – do you buy Tinfoil in bulk. I swear – you are parroting conspiracy theories in one thread – and then just switch to another thread and parrot more on a different subject. Hats off to you my paranoid friend.

Yeah sure – there was some election fraud – there was also fraud when Bush won – happens in every election. You can’t explain the magnitude of Willard’s loss with election fraud my friend.

Face it – your boy sucked -and badly so. Just because your tiny mind isn’t capable of grasping the concept – doesn’t mean it’s not true.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:19 PM

JihadKiller1s1k on November 9, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Ron Paul would have done worse than Romney

ChunkyLover on November 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Didn’t a lot of “Ron Paul supporters” vote for Obama and other Democrats? Time to come clean about their devotions.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:19 PM

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

It ain’t. We’re scroomed.

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Face it – your boy sucked -and badly so. Just because your tiny mind isn’t capable of grasping the concept – doesn’t mean it’s not true.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Says you who voted for the Master of Suck: Obama.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Like I said: all those who stayed home or voted 3rd party are no smarter than the average Obama supporter.

I hope y’all are laid off first.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:21 PM

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I remember you from years ago on this site when you were also ridiculing everyone on the Right then as now but posing yourself as “a conservative.”

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:22 PM

The exit polls are crap.

They’ve been cooked up to create a certain narrative to legitimize this obviously fraudulent election and mold public opinion to accept what’s coming down the pike.

I imagine about 40-50 percent of reported news stories are not actual news at all, but just Psy-Op.

The media is no longer about reporting the facts, but managing perception.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 7:23 PM

2000 7% increase over 1996
2004 19% increase over 2000
2008 7% increase over 2004
2012 11% decrease over 2008!

Um, yeah, right.

mitchellvii on November 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Says you who voted for the Master of Suck: Obama.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

HondaV65 also voted for John Anderson in ’80, and Bill Clinton in ’92.

The Trifecta of Suck in voting patterns.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:18 PM

People can hair-split and analyze and ponder, but the big and impactful difference between Obama and Romney is that Romney is an intense guy who tries to explain more details than Obama does, while Obama is a guy who knows he can always get someone into the back seat with him and he makes that apparent in the public; thus, many a hapless person gets motivated, so to speak, to “just go with him.”

Obama cashes in on the needy, lusty, bargainable aspects of human nature. They follow because they’re easily fooled and have no ability to notice that, after they’re “there,” they don’t get the environment they thought they would, and even after that, they’re still there, waiting for something dreamy.

Romney is sane. Obama’s a treacherous ghoul.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

It is not plausible to think conservatives or even libertarians boycotted Romney en masse. They have never boycotted a Republican. Gary Johnson, the logical protest candidate, got 1% of the popular vote. Wouldn’t you think angry purists would at least go for Gary?

The kind of people who once liked Ross Perot, were the most likely sitdown strikers. Ditto the Reagan Democrats, who are turned off both by lib social constructs and GOP establishment economics (which, btw, the Ds more or less adopted).

Seth Halpern on November 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

WolvenOne on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Your post reminded me of The Daily Show’s informative/enlightening interview with black Mormons. And boy, were they NOT unified!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Says you who voted for the Master of Suck: Obama.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM

HondaV65 also voted for John Anderson in ’80, and Bill Clinton in ’92.

The Trifecta of Suck in voting patterns.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

When I was new to commenting here, that account, HondaHoodoo, was one of the most aggressive about me, offering me to come with them somewhere, Facebook I think it was, and then publicly writing snits when I continued to ignore their “invites”.

I actually thought people who commented here were, indeed, conservatives if not, at least, NOT Left. It took a while to understand that there are many here who are, indeed, Left but continue to pose as not that.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Listen up dummies, here’s 2 million of your missing votes

http://votingforjesus.com/

AND…The GOP will betray you

True_King on November 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

why do people thing Mormons are all Republicans or even conservative? Salt Lake City hasn’t had a Republican mayor in a long time. Harry Reid is a Mormon. Would you consider Jon Huntsman a conservative?

I have probably met more Mormon Democrats than Republicans.

crosspatch on November 9, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Also noticed how they decide to not exit poll rural areas this time so we will never know will we? Anyone notice how the D+6 exit polling they did do just happened to exactly match the sample used my media pollsters for months?

mitchellvii on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 PM

And then it turns out that PPP is the most accurate pollster of the election. Have you seen the articles below?

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 7:32 PM

We pretty much told you that all along – you didn’t believe us.

As far as SCOTUS picks … two words …

John Roberts

two more?

Anthony Kennedy

GOP isn’t much better with SCOTUS picks my friend.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Yes. Because a Justice who SOMETIMES decides the way you don’t want him to is so much the equivalent of a Justice who 99% of the time decides against you.

If you seriously see no difference between Roberts/Kennedy vs Souter/Ginsberg you’re… well, you’re either lying to us or to yourself.

(not to mention the fact that you’re falsely assuming it’d be an unreliable choice, and not a Thomas or a Scalia-like selection).

MikeknaJ on November 9, 2012 at 7:33 PM

It is not plausible to think conservatives or even libertarians boycotted Romney en masse. They have never boycotted a Republican. Gary Johnson, the logical protest candidate, got 1% of the popular vote. Wouldn’t you think angry purists would at least go for Gary?

The kind of people who once liked Ross Perot, were the most likely sitdown strikers. Ditto the Reagan Democrats, who are turned off both by lib social constructs and GOP establishment economics (which, btw, the Ds more or less adopted).

Seth Halpern on November 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

When you work in advertising, you look for these (what I’ll call now) “meta” identities, these sorta’ “big generalities” that appeal and dispell generally.

So I think it’s a good estimation that MANY among “youth vote” followed the “pro marywhanna” sentiments, that MANY among “women’s vote” as to “minority women” remained caught in Obama’s pro-abortion, antilife promises — minorities have the most abortions among women overall, so those minority women affix to Obama, the “most pro-abortion politician” ever by way of his record and beliefs — the “Black and Hispanic vote” went for Obama because of their needs and demands for Socialism and his promises of more Socialism (they cling to government as solution in their lives, by high majority among them).

“White men” and “white women” voted by high numbers among those populations for Romney, the GOP. Because we are not attracted to the above incentives for those groups or generalities that find Obama a unicorn to pursue.

Again, generalities, or “meta” types…not referring to individual differences among all people here.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Traditions die hard in politics. Atwater’s Southern Strategy worked well in the Eighties but it now haunts the GOP: Florida and Virginia simply aren’t “southern” enough anymore, and the nation grows browner.

When a white small businessman hears a politician talk about lower taxes, he hears “freedom” and “justice”; blacks hear “racism.”

bobs1196 on November 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

And I don’t think the Republican Party will get behind any conservative.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 PM

… and there, my friend, you get to the nub of it. I think that this past Tuesday night, November 6, 2012, not only did our Republic and its freedom and liberties die, the Republican Party, GOP died along with it. You are correct, the inside the beltway Republicans will never accept a conservative: look what they did to Sarah Palin and how they hung her out to dry after the McCain debacle.

One of two things needs to happen here, either the Republican party base has a come to Jesus moment and tells the establishment that it’s done, or the Republican party goes the way of the Whigs and a new constitutional party rises to replace it. Look at how solid our leadership is in Washington: John Boehnor & Mitch McConnell. Really? They give limp dishrags a bad name. You think Nanzi Pelosi would have made an analogous statement about “Obamacare being the law of the land” if the the roles were reversed and she had one of three parts of the government and was opposed to some Bush policy? Heck no! She’d have doubled down, refused funding – screaming about the House prerogative of the purse and would have made life a living hell for anyone trying to implement the unpopular policy she opposed (heck even if it was popular with Americans but not her, she’d do that). Boehnor? Shrug it off and cave.

Yeah, that projects leadership.

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 7:36 PM

mittens is a walking vote-suppressor (in addition to being a non-conservative liar)

Pragmatic on November 9, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 PM

+ 100..I agree!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I know of one GOP Mormon who may not have voted for Mitt Romney–his cousin (they share a Great-Great Grandfather), Jon “Luscious McCoy” Huntsman.

:D

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM

All in all, it was a popularity contest.

While Barack Obama would be the last person I’d ever dance with from among any group of people, there are others who like having their toes stepped on and getting their buttons ripped in public.

It was a popularity contest.

Just remember that “the most popular” guy/gal isn’t always a complimentary thing. It just means there are more people willing to use you.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

The 2012 numbers simply make no sense.

Over-all voter turnout lower than 2008?

White vote lower than 2008?
Military vote lower than 2008?
Rural vote lower than 2008?
Mormon vote lower than 2008?

How is any of this possible?

Pork-Chop on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 PM

There have been problems with military absentee ballots this entire election season. You’ll see in one article that the ballots sent to our troops in Afghanistan burned up in a crash. It’s an outrage.

http://www.examiner.com/article/cast-aside-thousands-of-votes-from-our-military-troops-uncounted-or-missing

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/26/absentee-ballots-destroyed-in-crash

http://mvpproject.org/in-the-news/va-military-absentee-ballots-going-awol-in-2012/

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

these ****ing pop up ads are getting worse & worse. now you don’t even have the option of closing them. I especially like the smug face of barry staring me in the face. keep it up HA I won’t be coming back.

sbvft contributor on November 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM

PLEASE, one of you folks with a blog please set up an article on how to fix all the problems with HA on the usual set of browsers, Adblock, DNT, stopping autorun, auto-reload, etc. Then we can just give these folks a link. It comes up several times a day.

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

the chicago machine knew exactly which e.d.’s to hack in order to switch romney votes into obama votes.

they stole the election in 1960 for jfk.

and they stole this one for obama.

in cayahuga and dade and philly and in mormon districts in nevada and colorado and ohio.

it’s no coincidence that teddy kennedy’s emdorsement of obama in 2007 put him on the map for the presidential race.

teddy was doing his duty for the chicago machine.

joe senior was part of it. they go way back.

reliapundit on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Wow. The Jews love them some Dems, huh?

Must be that self-loathing thing.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

About that reported “70 percent of American Jews” who voted for OBama this week…

I read an article from an Israeli site that explained that American Jews, so this article went, “vote for social isssue,” while Israeli Jews “vote for national security/foreign policy” concerns.

It continued, that “American Jews” “take for granted that” the US DC climate supports Israel, so they “don’t vote for that.” They’re secure in that assumption so they’re concerned about and vote for “social concerns” or “social programs” instead.

HERE’S WHAT WASN’T EXPLAINED: those “social concerns” are never quite defined if at all. They appear to vote for Unicorns like all the other Liberals do while rationalizing what they’re doing as “voting for social concerns” while the implications of their votes is lost on them as to what their votes actually contribute to.

Lourdes on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Fraudulent Election

stackedeck on November 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Yup.

SailorMark on November 9, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Ignore all the anecdotal evidence, and above all don’t collect it all in one place. Nothing to see here.

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Rocked the white Evabgels, Jews, and White Catholics.

Jus sayin

socalcon on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

+ 100..I agree!!..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 7:38 PM

*fingers crossed*

:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If I has to guess, I’d say that Hispanic Mormons likely supported Romney more heavily than non-hispanic Mormons, but less heavily than Caucasian Mormons. This would likely explain the overall marginal drop in support. Though of course without detailed data on the voting habits of minority Mormons, I can’t say for sure.

WolvenOne on November 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Thanks for this — one of the more illuminating posts on this thread.

cam2 on November 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

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