Open thread: Obama presser on “fiscal cliff”

posted at 1:01 pm on November 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama is scheduled to speak on the “fiscal cliff” at 1:15 pm ET today, which means of course that it will probably start closer to 1:30. If so, that won’t be the only familiar aspect of the conversation today.  We’ve been here at least twice during the Obama administration — once immediately after the 2010 midterms, and then again during the summer of 2011.  We’re having this conversation today because we keep kicking the same can down the same road in order to avoid the political consequences of addressing the budgetary and fiscal crises that face the nation.

Will this be any different?  Both sides now say they want to work together, but National Journal’s Major Garrett writes that it will take something for which Obama hasn’t displayed any capacity in four years — flexibility:

Obama has a durable coalition and an undisputed knack for mobilization. He is a campaign innovator and organizer of the first order. But to succeed on his own checklist of second-term pursuits—immigration, tax reform, deficit reduction, and climate change—he will have to do more with the institutional powers of the presidency in conflict with the legislative powers wielded by a Republican House.

The conundrum for Obama is that if he is to succeed, he must decide whether to use his reelection’s apparent endorsement of progressivism as a safe harbor of inactivity or dilute it, to the consternation of his base, and give some ground on the scope and generosity of the entitlement state, the strangling cords of debt, and the inefficiency of the tax code. Democrats sense an Obama desire to shape-shift, but no one is quite sure. That means that the biggest tell in the poker game of all poker games will be found in the lame-duck resolution, or irresolution, of the fiscal cliff.

The president will have to summon his coalition to face hard realities and fateful choices, not all of them comforting, on the questions of aligning what government can do, what taxpayers can finance, and how the books all come into better balance.

Garrett also points out that the economy is now squarely Obama’s, and any damage done now will be owned by the Democrats, not George Bush:

Obama can and will press for immigration reform, and he may get nearly as much as President George W. Bush sought—maybe more, if Republicans shift their sights to their party’s huge demographic hole that the 2012 election starkly revealed among Hispanics. Obama can wrap his arms around the task of reforming the byzantine tax code and, along the way, spike the political football after having won the fight over higher taxes on the wealthy (he did, and so did Senate Democratic victors in MassachusettsNorth DakotaOhio, andWisconsin). But he will have to face the hard reality that higher taxes on the wealthy (even at a $250,000 threshold that may give way to $500,000 or $1 million in congressional negotiations) won’t come close to solving the nation’s deficit and debt ills. The greatest deficit-cutting mechanism is a vibrant economy (see Clinton-era growth, arithmetic). And no matter how much or how little Obama moves the hinge of history, his party will not be able four years hence to blame Bush the younger for economic underperformance.

The economy is now squarely Obama’s, and managing the full implementation of the health care and financial-reform laws will be daunting. Both have profound and as-yet-unfelt tax and regulatory implications.

Will he recognize this and offer some “flexibility” today in search of long-term solutions?  Or will he declare a mandate for tax hikes and offer only the same lip service to serious reform that Obama barely mentioned during his presidential campaign, and which didn’t even rate a serious mention in the second-term agenda pamphlet that showed up in the last two weeks of the election?  And will the press get a chance to ask a few questions of their own — especially about Benghazi?

If I can find a live embed, I will include it in the post.


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Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let everyone see what happens when the liberals get what they really want. Whatever the Republicans do, they should absolutely not let the Democrats raise taxes on the top earners without letting everyone else feel the pain immediately.

If they want to raise taxes, let them raise taxes on everyone.

Caiwyn on November 9, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Exactly. Screw this idea that only the rich should shoulder this burden…how is that ‘fair’? Raise rates on everyone, lower credits, and make sure EVERYONE has some skin in the game.

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

And will the press get a chance to ask a few questions of their own — especially about Benghazi?

WHAT have you been smoking? Hahahahaha.

scalleywag on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I’d say let him do as he likes if he ever got blamed for anything.

Take all the money then have people ask for an allowance.

But then, again…

I am so glad the NY is not suffering like New Orleans did.

Thank you Mr. President!

See?

IlikedAUH2O on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I won’t watch…is the legacy media on their knees praising Dear Leader?

d1carter on November 9, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Of course. It’s their default position.

Elections have consequences. Why should we keep trying to save the stupid? They’ll never learn otherwise.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

He’s done already.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Premature oration. I hear they have a treatment for that.

Wait. Never mind. We don’t want him speaking any longer than can be stood by the least patient of us.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM


He’s under the podium.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Very Good!

Natebo on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Speaking as a practicing mormon, I’m giving up on the Sprite and heading straight to the Schweppes Raspberry Ginger Ale.

Alberta_Patriot on November 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Yum…love that stuff!

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

There is only one way to deal with this man…

The Fiscal Cliff And The Keyser Soze Option

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Sounds to me like he essentially claims that Tuesday’s election gave him a mandate to do what he campaigned on. And he’s holding a bunch of the taker class hostage to prove his point.

Well, Mr. rat-eared wonder, the House got reelected on Tuesday too and what makes you think they will roll over and just do what you want by a return to the “I won” arrogance that poisoned your relationship with the GOP from the beginning. You are truly a worthless leader, father, and human being. I can’t believe you managed to fool so many stupid greedy people into thinking that free stuff and bluster are enough to avoid the coming crash.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I am fast approaching the conclusion that it may be necessary for Congressional Republicans to unanimously vote ‘present’ and force the liberals to own the coming financial calamity. We’re going over the cliff anyway, might as well pin the blame where it belongs.

trish333 on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Dang, will somebody buy my house? I’m in as long as I get to be on the good side.

MontanaMmmm on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

I was not kidding about what the new GOP strategy should be…

1. Give him 100% of everything he wants but gun control
2. The Democrats own it ALL…
3. Watch just how sacred they will be when that happens…
4. Let them run it into the ground

Greece here we come…

PatriotRider on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

According to the Democrats, the 6-year (!) recession is all Bush’s fault. The obviously solution is a return to the status quo before Bush took office.

Let the tax cuts expire and prosperity is bound to ensue–and Obama can have all the credit for the good times sure to follow.

CJ on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Works for me, and I always considered that crazy talk, but what do you do when differences are irreconcilable? Opposing ideas can’t occupy the same space.

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

I’m fine with giving up the entire West Coast, the upper Midwest, the Rust Belt, the Northeast, and part of the mid-Atlantic (Maryland and NOVA). Have to sacrifice places like Idaho and Montana to allow them to connect across the continent.

We get Alaska; they get Hawaii.

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Nah, they don’t need to connect. Let ‘em fly over like they do now. Or connect through Canada.

libertynow on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

More kabuki. Let all the Bush cuts expire. Let the great unwashed keep their precious PBS and Planned Parenthood subsidies. They won’t have jobs, but at least they’ll have Big Bird.

Give them what they voted for…more spending, more debt, less growth.

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Never thought I’d agree with letting the Bush cuts expire, but I do. More than half the country voted for it, so let it be so. Let them eat dog from their Master’s plate. They ate it because Barky told them it was Filet Mignon. Makes me sick, but collapse may be the only way people ever realize what they’ve really been eating.

Slainte on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The White House kitchen has already started preparing the thousands of points of toast with little Bammie’s sh!t smeared on them.

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I don’t think I’d like that snack.

arnold ziffel on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Romney lost by less than 2%, that is no reason for everyone in the GOP to pee their pants.

jukin3 on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Half the country voted for Obama, even after seeing him govern. This is the source of the pee.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

We need to form a new group.

Conservatives For Tax Hikes

Let them all expire and then refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Screw this idea that only the rich should shoulder this burden…how is that ‘fair’? Raise rates on everyone, lower credits, and make sure EVERYONE has some skin in the game.

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM

The rat-eared wonder says he wants a balanced approach. Make those takers on the stage behind him pay their fair share.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Tax the rich! And pass a $2 trillion stimulus to get the economy going again!

DO IT.

The Rogue Tomato on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Wow, look at that cool tent city in New Jersey!

JPeterman on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

“I’ve got a pen, ready to sign the bill right away”

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 PM

@michellemalkin

how about using that pen to really sign condolence letters to families of dead troops

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Yeah, I dont see immigration getting done this year. It’ll be about a fake budget battle and tax debate

Flapjackmaka on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Didn’t Barry say that this past Tuesday gave him a mandate?
I think he did.
“Everyone goes into a binder!”

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Let them all expire and then refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Hell, no. Remove the debt ceiling altogether. We’re headed for hyperinflation anyway, so what’s the point of delaying the inevitable? Let it burn on their watch.

The Rogue Tomato on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I didn’t watch it, but I’m reading on Twitter that he said he wants to raise “revenue.” Didn’t say raise “tax rates.” This is the same thing Boehner said.

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Ugh. 4 more years of his patronizing preacher voice.

p0s3r on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Yep, and that fake southern Black “Don’ whup me massuh” dialect that he can turn off and on at will.

UltimateBob on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Switched over to msdnc
Tingles has a theory that Obama will use alot if mitts ideas which NOW the lsm thinks are good ideas

Unstinkingbelievable

Trashes the ideas all campaign long will probably use it and be praised for it natch like he thought of it all by himself

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

We need to form a new group.

Conservatives For Tax Hikes

Let them all expire and then refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

LOL

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Never thought I’d agree with letting the Bush cuts expire, but I do. More than half the country voted for it, so let it be so. Let them eat dog from their Master’s plate. They ate it because Barky told them it was Filet Mignon. Makes me sick, but collapse may be the only way people ever realize what they’ve really been eating.

Slainte on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Sadly, it’s the only way at this point. The GOP shouldn’t agree to squat…the voters must feel what happened on Tuesday. Elections have consequences.

changer1701 on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I didn’t watch it, but I’m reading on Twitter that he said he wants to raise “revenue.” Didn’t say raise “tax rates.” This is the same thing Boehner said.

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

He actually said the wealthy should pay more “taxes”

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

The best thing for Republicans in the House and Senate to do is take a page from Zero’s Senatorial Playbook.

Sit on their collective asses and vote “Present!”!

Give Obama and his minions everything they want.

Then step away and make sure none of the crash from going over the cliff spills on them. And wait for the fireworks to explode from those same morons who put Obama back in office!

Put together a few half assed bills in the interim. That will immediately be put into one of Harry Reid’s many file cabinets. Never to see the light of day. Just to project the illusion of work being done.

Jack Deth on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

We need to form a new group.

Conservatives For Tax Hikes

Let them all expire and then refuse to raise the debt ceiling.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Don’t ask me I cancelled my facebook.

I agree let it burn burn in a burning ring of fire.

MontanaMmmm on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Greece here we come…

PatriotRider on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

The only problem with that is that the MSM would still blame the GOP. If four major scandals, incompetent economic policies, and Obamacare was not enough to bring the rat-eared wonder down then just agreeing with the bastard would backfire on the GOP by design. All you get is more takers and fewer makers.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Those making over 250k

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

You mean all those ideas that got us into this mess in the first place?

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Well, Mr. rat-eared wonder, the House got reelected on Tuesday too and what makes you think they will roll over and just do what you want by a return to the “I won” arrogance that poisoned your relationship with the GOP from the beginning. Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Because John Boehner just said/telegraphed that the House would do just that.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I didn’t watch it, but I’m reading on Twitter that he said he wants to raise “revenue.” Didn’t say raise “tax rates.” This is the same thing Boehner said.

Mark1971 on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

No he certainly said he wants the rates on those making $250K raised to Clinton levels. Not the same as what Boehner said.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Petraeus being ask to fall on his sword?
Ot

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM

“I’ll now take a few questions, unless you plan on asking about Benghazi in which case I have a plane to Burma waiting for me.”

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Sounds to me like he essentially claims that Tuesday’s election gave him a mandate to do what he campaigned on… 4 years ago

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hope you don’t mind my addition.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I am fast approaching the conclusion that it may be necessary for Congressional Republicans to unanimously vote ‘present’ and force the liberals to own the coming financial calamity. We’re going over the cliff anyway, might as well pin the blame where it belongs.

trish333 on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

There are many here, including me, who agree with you.

Unfortunately the Establishment GOP Representatives won’t go along with the plan. They have an election to worry about in 2014, and they don’t want to appear to their constituents as though they wouldn’t stand up to the Preezy and the dems when the chips are down.

UltimateBob on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I was not kidding about what the new GOP strategy should be…

1. Give him 100% of everything he wants but gun control
2. The Democrats own it ALL…
3. Watch just how sacred they will be when that happens…
4. Let them run it into the ground

Greece here we come…

PatriotRider on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I agree. They should all vote present and make the Dems own it.

trish333 on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

What about hiring 100,000 new math and science teachers?
Did he mention that?
I mean, that was my favorite part of his agenda.
A function that the Federal Government is not even involved in.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The only problem with that is that the MSM would still blame the GOP. If four major scandals, incompetent economic policies, and Obamacare was not enough to bring the rat-eared wonder down then just agreeing with the bastard would backfire on the GOP by design. All you get is more takers and fewer makers.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

The LSM is going to blame the GOP for everything anyways. Why not make it meaningful and useful.

We will never win, never get our message out until the LSM is neutered.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

He sounds like an angry kermit the frog.

abnormal_1 on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Works for me, and I always considered that crazy talk, but what do you do when differences are irreconcilable? Opposing ideas can’t occupy the same space.

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

I’m fine with giving up the entire West Coast, the upper Midwest, the Rust Belt, the Northeast, and part of the mid-Atlantic (Maryland and NOVA). Have to sacrifice places like Idaho and Montana to allow them to connect across the continent.

We get Alaska; they get Hawaii.
Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM.

Nah, they don’t need to connect. Let ‘em fly over like they do now. Or connect through Canada.

libertynow on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Good thinking. They probably wouldn’t want Idaho or Montana or North Dakota anyway. I’m actually of the opinion that if our side took only about a third of the available landmass and resources, we’d still beat them when it comes to innovation, prosperity, and growth.

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Hehe – listening to Rush about how the media and the Democrats are trying to help us. They say we’ll never win another election unless we pass amnesty.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Call his dog-eating bluff.

“The $250 thousand threshold won’t be enough, we propose it be $75 thousand to make it fair.”

Then watch them defend why they can’t go that low.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Tarheel

Lol :)

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

IMO, the most amazing thing he said (although he’s said it before) is that the $$s from those people will reduce the debt and allow us to build infrastructure and invest.

Obviously, he must have picked up more pot when he was campaigning last week when he was out in Colorado.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Boehner’s mandate is to let the tax cuts expire, leave the spending cuts in place, not raise the debt ceiling. If se have to go through the pain lets do it on Obama s watch.

Tater Salad on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

On this red/blue state thing. Here’s the way I see it: If more of the conservatives that currently reside in population-heavy blue states moved to the less populated red states (in time for the next census, that is), the resulting population boosts to those states should garner them additional electoral votes while reducing the votes given to the blue states. Think it could work to-to use the preezy’s favorite word-”balance” the electoral field for the future? Okay, not the immediate future and I’m taking a leap that there will be elections after this year, but. . ..

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Conservatives need to have more babies and beat the demographics.

Liberals are having less babies.

Let Big Government Fail!

Re-group and organize.

Draw the denominations of the Christian Churches together over Religious Liberty.

Change the cultural narrative over social issues to be a narrative about Religious Liberty.

Rally around and restructure the Moral Majority by turning this into a Subsidiarity Issue by focusing on the Parochial School Issue and Secular Pressure.

Turn Social Justice around as a Religious Liberty is an American Social Justice Platform.

Pastors,Rabbis,Priests,Brahmins,Buddists etc…Unite them over Religious Resistance to Secular Coercion and start at the parochial school level and family communities.

Might be a strange coalition…but these are strange times.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Bushes fault, don’t blame our Jesus.

You should see Yahoo News hailing Sean Hannity over his “evolution” on immigration AMNESTY.

Next up for an evolution for the gop? NEW TAXES?

Oh we’re headed for the cliff and Obama and the Communist Democrats are right there…..pushing us FORWARD!!!

Come on TEATERMERICA……..get with the program.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

He was on the campaign trail today

Seemed undignified for that in the east room

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

he took off to friggin’ Asia, fiscal cliff whaaa??? how do you spell that?

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

He sounds like an angry kermit the frog.

abnormal_1 on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

He’s angry because the rich don’t pay their fair share. ™

The Rogue Tomato on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I literally haven’t listened to “The Present” say more than a sentence since the first time I saw him. It is get a pavlovian response and get ill and angry.

tomas on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

http://nation.foxnews.com/bloomberg/2012/11/09/whoa-one-heck-bloomberg-businessweek-cover
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letget on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Newsweek is just out of it’s collective mind. Not everyone in the Republican Party is Old and White.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Works for me, and I always considered that crazy talk, but what do you do when differences are irreconcilable? Opposing ideas can’t occupy the same space.

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

I’m fine with giving up the entire West Coast, the upper Midwest, the Rust Belt, the Northeast, and part of the

mid-Atlantic (Maryland and NOVA). Have to sacrifice places like Idaho and Montana to allow them to connect across the continent.

We get Alaska; they get Hawaii.
Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM.

Nah, they don’t need to connect. Let ‘em fly over like they do now. Or connect through Canada.

libertynow on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Good thinking. They probably wouldn’t want Idaho or Montana or North Dakota anyway. I’m actually of the opinion that if our side took only about a third of the available landmass and resources, we’d still beat them when it comes to innovation, prosperity, and growth.

But I was getting out the packing boxes. lol

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

MontanaMmmm on November 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM

that is racist isn’t it?

tomas on November 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Ugh. 4 more years of his patronizing preacher voice.

p0s3r on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

REFUSE TO LISTEN. Mute it, turn it off, come back after the commercial or clip. Don’t listen.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM

he took off to friggin’ Asia,

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

He’s going to Hawaii again, eh?

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Screw it, let’s go over the cliff and let the chaos begin. When it’s all over we can sort through the rubble and begin again. Enough of this guy.

rplat on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

when is he flying to Asia, I’m guessing after he delivers his platitudes about reaching to the other side in this touted presser…

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Mark my words, 401K’s are in their sights.

Mr. Arrogant on November 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Yes, but they promise to leave a big fat IOU where your money used to be.

txsurveyor on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Taxing the rich will do all that?
Amazing!
What about all the jobs it will kill? Did he talk about that?

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Sorry Nick, I really messed up my formatting, preview,preview.

MontanaMmmm on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

It pains me that I agree with you, but I do.
Second look at red state blue state divorce?No alimony though.

libertynow on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Works for me, and I always considered that crazy talk, but what do you do when differences are irreconcilable? Opposing ideas can’t occupy the same space.

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

I’m fine with giving up the entire West Coast, the upper Midwest, the Rust Belt, the Northeast, and part of the mid-Atlantic (Maryland and NOVA). Have to sacrifice places like Idaho and Montana to allow them to connect across the continent.

We get Alaska; they get Hawaii.

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Yesiree Bob!

ncc770 on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

WOW, look at this!

http://nation.foxnews.com/bloomberg/2012/11/09/whoa-one-heck-bloomberg-businessweek-cover
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letget on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I wasn’t aware Morgan Freeman was on the ballot this year. Jeeze, Newsweek, do you really think African Americans all look alike?

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

Good idea . . . give them flyover rights so they can get from one left coast to the other.

rplat on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

He must have eaten some bad dog or something. He never talks for that short amount of time. Unless of course he allows Americans to be murdered by terrorists.

Prezzy came out and the Dow was up 50 points. Now, it’s in the negative. Bet it drops another 100 points today after his soak the rich speech.

We built it. They will destroy it. We will take it back and build it again.

Let it burn 2013!

Rockshine on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Let him have his taxes and let this thing collapse. The sooner it collapses the sooner we can start over and rebuild.

Just adopt the same mentality we outnumbered conservatives in California have had for a while now.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

jimver———–end of the month is what I read.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Another round of “kick the can”?

A best case scenario.

The Fiscal Cliff And The Keyser Soze Option

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Or this.

Bruno Strozek on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Newsweek is just out of it’s collective mind. Not everyone in the Republican Party is Old and White.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

You left out “angry.” That’s the new narrative.
I was reading Newsbusters earlier, and every media outlet is
describing the Republican Party that way.
A few even added “grumpy” to it.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Obama is a waste of time – I can’t watch or listen to him. Just out of curiousity, did the teleprompter get re-elected?

salem on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

He’s going to Hawaii again, eh?

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

with a layover in the Maldives :-)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Mark my words, 401K’s are in their sights.

Mr. Arrogant on November 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM

THIS……$9 trillion in over inflated assets

thanks to the QE’s by the fed that have kept stock prices up).

Can you already here him talking about “fairness”? How it’s only fair that people should have “economic security” or “financial security” and then needing to fun those automatic cash payments for everyone? Shouldn’t everyone be given a stipend?

Economic Judgement is coming on this country. And lucky us, the Communists are in charge of remaking the nation.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

when is he flying to Asia, I’m guessing after he delivers his platitudes about reaching to the other side in this touted presser…

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I’m just curious if he’s going to ignore the whole Veteran’s Day thing now that he doesn’t have to pretend about giving a rat’s ass about the military anymore.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Screw it, let’s go over the cliff and let the chaos begin. When it’s all over we can sort through the rubble and begin again. Enough of this guy.

rplat on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

I agree.
All this talk about the cliff is torture.
Let’s do it.
Thelma and Louise.
Here we go!

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:45 PM

“For the chairman and chief executive of Murray Energy, an Ohio-based coal company, the reelection of President Obama was no cause for celebration. It was a time for prayer – and layoffs.

Robert E. Murray read a prayer to a group of company staff members on the day after the election, lamenting the direction of the country and asking: “Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/after-obama-election-ohio-businessman-reads-prayer-to-staff-then-la

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 1:45 PM

Honestly…I doubt every opinion that will posted on this blog from now on by EM or AP (and all the others). And my commentary will continue on calling them out. With that, I guess they will probably ban me?…Just prove me wrong :)

When the Pre-Z doesn’t reach out to republican leaders, you guys scream “He’s a dictator!”, “Liberals are shoving things down our throat”, “They don’t really want to work with us”, etc…., but now that he is doing a public outreach (which I’m glad is different than pandering) to them, you guys are already screaming

“Now it’s time to act like a leader at home rather than take victory laps abroad”

EM…I know you call the shots ok, but how long will you continue to start sh!t will all the crazy spins just to maximize your clicks …..just to offer apologies after?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on November 9, 2012 at 1:45 PM

More on the ‘F the Rich’ plan:

Anyway, I just read this article: Obama Wins 8 of 10 Wealthiest Counties in US.

And I’m saying to myself, why am I going to war for these people? All this effort to try to protect the “job creators” and they’re voting for Obama and ever larger government and more taxes. I think it’s time to give them what they want! I would love to see a Republican bring forth a bill to tax the sh*t out of those making over $500k (the 1%)… (end of quote)

I have to agree with him. Yes it will damage the job-creators, but not a tenth as much as Obamacare will. If we weren’t so determined to protect the rich from little Bammie, we might have won the election and now been able to stop Obamacare.

What does protecting the rich from little Bammie do for Republicans?

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM

The Rogue Tomato on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

lol — excellent.

with a layover in the Maldives :-)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Aren’t they gone yet?

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM

#letitburn

wytshus on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Don’t kid yourself.

Fascism/socialism/communism – Obama is the result of sex btw. Mussolini/Lenin/stupid Europe

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

There is only one way to deal with this man…

The Fiscal Cliff And The Keyser Soze Option

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Yes. Yes. Yes. The only way to deal with Obama and the Dems at this point is to do what they’re afraid to do. Bring the pain.

Curtiss on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Yesiree Bob!

ncc770 on November 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

And I’d be one of those migrating from the blue zone, but don’t worry, I’ll go through ideological decontamination so that I don’t bring any lib ideas with me inadvertantly.

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

WTF should the GOP carry water for the top 1 percent when half of these people pull the lever for Obama anyway.

Let ALL the tax cuts expire and take a public posture that EVERYONE must have skin in the game to achieve deficit reduction.

I’m all for letting the tax cuts expire but it must be done in a way that Obama and the RATS own the economic consequences. That’s the tricky part.

matthew8787 on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Split it up. What do you say? We get most of the Mountain West, most of the Southwest, the Plains states, Texas of course, and the South, including Florida.

I’m fine with giving up the entire West Coast, the upper Midwest, the Rust Belt, the Northeast, and part of the mid-Atlantic (Maryland and NOVA). Have to sacrifice places like Idaho and Montana to allow them to connect across the continent.

We get Alaska; they get Hawaii.

Nick_Angel on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Why give ‘em two states that are reliably conservative? Make ‘em go around! Make ‘em figure out a way to connect with their brethren. Let’s see how quickly they invade Canada for a right of way.

Mitoch55 on November 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM

I was not kidding about what the new GOP strategy should be…

1. Give him 100% of everything he wants but gun control
2. The Democrats own it ALL…
3. Watch just how sacred they will be when that happens…
4. Let them run it into the ground

Greece here we come…

Patriot…the problem is DEMS never own up to anything! The media will always provide cover (Bengahzi what?). Have you ever heard of the Clinton recession? Back in late 2000-2001 things got pretty bad (dot com bubble..etc). By the third quarter 2000…GDP growth was almost 0%. Right before the election it came back up to 2% before going negative. Two quarters of negative growth in 2001 (9/11 wasn’t helpful) led to what the media and all libs refer to as the Bush recession. Hell four years after the One’s reelection we still hear about this bad economy as the Bush economy. It is almost impossible for DEMS to own any bad economy. Exit polls stated 51% of the people in the election earlier this week….still blame Bush. Now I know you can’t cure stupid, but if the facts really came out…many people wouldn’t be so naive to think that a man who hasn’t been on the ballot for over eight years is still responsible for stifling economic growth. I would love to believe what you are saying…but this election has soured me on alot of this type thinking.

SPGuy on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/frum-republicans-lied-to-by-conservative-entertainment-149120.html

Conservative columnist David Frum argues that “Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.”

He is a CONSERVATIVE? Isn’t he a big suckup to Obama?

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

WTF should the GOP carry water for the top 1 percent when half of these people pull the lever for Obama anyway.

Let ALL the tax cuts expire and take a public posture that EVERYONE must have skin in the game to achieve deficit reduction.

I’m all for letting the tax cuts expire but it must be done in a way that Obama and the RATS own the economic consequences. That’s the tricky part.

matthew8787 on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Couldn’t have said it better.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

(squeezing eyes shut)

…I will not insult the President…
…I will not insult the President…
…I will not insult the President…

Aw, screw it!

This guy is such an huge steaming turd, I just can’t help myself!

This is the same garbage we heard, over and over, during the campaign. It is no more serious now than it was then. Zero has signaled that he is not coming off “campaign mode”, and he will be running for … what? He will be running because running is the only thing he knows how to do. Hammers and nails.

Here is what the Republicans should do. They should capitulate on the Clinton Tax Rates for those earning more than $250k if and only if the $4 Trilliion in deficit reduction is included in the same bill. $4 Trillion in deficit reduction means that we would wipe out $1 Trillion of deficit spending for the next four years.

So, that’s the deal. Clinton-era tax rates for a balanced budget for the next four years. In fact, why not must make it a Constitutional amendment. A Balanced Budget Amendment in return for the 39.6% tax rate for the top earners. I would go for that! Most high earners would go for it to, because they are looking at a far bigger problems as their assets erode under the inevitable inflation brought about by these huge deficits.

Haiku Guy on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

he took off to friggin’ Asia,

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

He’s going to Hawaii again, eh?

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

heh

CookeyD on November 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

EM…I know you call the shots ok, but how long will you continue to start sh!t will all the crazy spins just to maximize your clicks …..just to offer apologies after?

Can.I.be.in.the.middle on November 9, 2012 at 1:45 PM

With all the misery at home, what business does the potentate have wasting tax dollars in Burma, Cambodia and Thailand, bowing to those potentates?

You are clearly insane.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Ugh. 4 more years of his patronizing preacher voice.

p0s3r on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Yep, and that fake southern Black “Don’ whup me massuh” dialect that he can turn off and on at will.

UltimateBob on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Where’s yore dollah?

You din’t build that, someone helped you along the waaaaahhhhh!

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Isn’t he a big suckup to Obama?

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Indeed. It’s a wonder Frum can get any words out. According to Biden, Obama has a big stick.

ElectricPhase on November 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

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