Kindly enjoy this pre-election video of Team Romney talking about how awesome “ORCA” is

posted at 7:33 pm on November 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

Actual quote from the video, posted on YouTube the day before the election by PBS: “The Obama campaign likes to brag about their ground operation but it’s nothing compared to this.” Thus is the epitaph for the Romney campaign written. If you missed it yesterday, read John Ekdahl’s post now about the embarrassing failure of ORCA, the biggest letdown among many from Team Mitt’s supposedly sterling organization. They’re in damage-control mode today, insisting that the program worked reasonably well and that they got data from 91% of their precincts, but that’s hard to square with the video. Gitcho says ORCA would ensure that the campaign had more info than the exit polls, and yet there Mitt was at 11 p.m. ET, “shellshocked” to find that he’d lost a race that most recent state polls had suggested he’d surely lose.

In fact, I think it’s time for another story of ORCA’s “success”:

Unable to test her pin number and password until that morning, she discovered, only after after she arrived at the polling location ready to work, that her pin was invalid. She spent until 2:30 that afternoon on calls to Boston every 45 minutes trying to get a new one. She attempted to input the voter information via phone dial-pad–the first backup plan–but her invalid pin number was useless. Plan C, calling in to Boston and verbally transmitting the information, was also a wash. The same phone number for dial pad and voice reporting was given–there was no option to ask to speak to Boston directly after calling in.

After finally getting her pin number in the late afternoon, Shoshanna attempted to log into the site. She had been sent an email from the Romney campaign that morning (after polls opened) telling her that cell phones were often not allowed in polling places, after she was previously warned not to forget to bring her cell phone in other emails. Thankfully, her polling place allowed her to use her cell phone. The website, on a secure server, was inaccessible from her cell phone (Ekdahl explains why in detail). By this point hundreds of voters had passed through Shoshanna’s polling station, unreported. Nevertheless, she went home, retrieved her laptop, and thanks to the pastor at the polling place (a church) she gained access to a locked wireless network. It was only at that point that Shoshanna was able to access ORCA, with only a few hours left before polls closed.

Shoshanna’s experience was far from unique. Starting in the early afternoon, reports were coming in from across swing states that ORCA had crashed.

There’s more where this came from. Try Ricochet for another horror story. Amazingly, despite the fact that it was integral to Romney’s election day GOTV operation, ORCA was allegedly never beta-tested at full scale. Joel Pollak argues that in theory, if Romney’s 37,000 volunteers had each been freed from ORCA misery to deliver just 20 more voters each to the polls, that could have erased Obama’s margin key swing states. But maybe these are all just anecdotes from volunteers who caught unlucky breaks; maybe there’s a bigger picture here that only professionals can see about how well ORCA worked in the aggregate.

Or maybe not:

Numerous Republicans in and around the Romney campaign called the ORCA platform a total bust, stranding thousands of volunteers without a way of reporting data back to headquarters and leaving Romney central command without a clear view of developments on the ground…

One Republican source with close ties to the operation said the system essentially appeared to have crashed on the first wave of information coming in, and never managed to get started again. It was down throughout the day, and while it may have been gathering numbers, it never provided the output in terms of target guidance it was supposed to, said a source.

“The problem is not only that it doesn’t work on election day,” said the source. “The problem is, you divert an enormous amount of human and financial resources over many months to [building this]. So that means they’re not doing anything else for turnout.”…

“At the end of the day, they told us that every single swing state was looking either pink or red and the worst one was Virginia, where they were a little concerned. Of course we know the opposite of that happened,” the Republican said. “So what was the quality of that data throughout the day?”

It’s well worth your time to click that last link and read the rest. If you’ve been wondering how Romney could have been so in the dark, even at the end, about how badly he was doing, you won’t be after you’re through. The Daily Beast calls it a “fiasco,” with justification, and connects it up to Romney’s prestige as a managerial Jedi. Anyone looking to get elected on that cred shouldn’t be hearing the words “amateur hour” about his election-day ground game. The difference between what they were doing and what Obama’s team was doing reminds me a bit of the difference between “unskewing the polls” and Nate Silver’s model. Exit quotation: “There’s a sense that we let Mitt Romney down.”


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After watching this video, I feel …..dumber.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Yeah Orca, whatever. However useless this program was, it’s not responsible for millions of missing McCain 2008 voters.

So lets try and focus on that story. Even winning campaigns display incompetence or failures in different areas because they’re large organizations working at a frenetic pace and having to respond to events that play out by the minute.

Project Orca is not responsible for Romney’s shocking low numbers.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Fail whale?

VioletTiger on November 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Good grief.

albill on November 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Part. of. a. team.

Can’t get that De Niro/Capone scene out of my head.

SteveMG on November 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I get a “The Internet is a series of Tubes……” moment in this video.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:42 PM

If the Republicans don’t have their act together by the mid-term elections they’ll go the way of the Whigs.

rplat on November 9, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I think the best ground game is inspiration.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM

and some of the romney bootlickers would get into hissy fits when it was pointed out that he couldn’t even beat mccain.

what a clusterfark. they couldn’t beat the worst president in this nations history. for shame.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I predict another HA open reg is coming very soon…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Romney is at fault, but seriously.. you made Paul Ryan sad. This is unacceptable. Also, let’s keep open campaign offices in swing states m’kay.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Amazingly, despite the fact that it was integral to Romney’s election day GOTV operation, ORCA was allegedly never beta-tested at full scale.

Numerous Republicans in and around the Romney campaign called the ORCA platform a total bust, stranding thousands of volunteers without a way of reporting data back to headquarters and leaving Romney central command without a clear view of developments on the ground…

One Republican source with close ties to the operation said the system essentially appeared to have crashed on the first wave of information coming in, and never managed to get started again.

And yet they kept telling us that Romney was a guy who knew how to make things work didn’t they?

He fixed the Olympics.
He fixed all those companies while with Bain.

He’s the man we need if we want competence in Washington DC.

What a joke!

Tell us how it wasn’t his fault at all…just like the Obamabots tell us how Obama’s screw-ups aren’t to be laid at his door either.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Wasn’t just ORCA. The entire RNC GOTV effort was a day late and a dollar short. I got a card in the mail with nice instructions on how to do phone banking from home and where to get more information to help with GOTV efforts. Yesterday, two days AFTER the election.

crosspatch on November 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Mitt was at 11 p.m. ET, “shellshocked” to find that he’d lost a race that most recent state polls had suggested he’d surely lose.

which state polls, the ones that you and Ed were bending over backwards to convince us that were skewed towards democrats :-)…seriously?

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Good job staying obsessed with the distractions like ORCA that really had nothing to do with the outcome of the election as if Republicans are the ones who need people to drag their lazy butts out of bed to go vote when the real problem here is that we no longer have a free press but one that makes Pravda blush with its carrying of the SCoaMF & that half of the electorate will vote for whoever promises them “free” stuff.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Oh, my lord. Wouldn’t you expect the communications director to know “the rules” about whether the campaign volunteers could offer rides to people? Especially THE DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION?! She is totally lost by the end of this interview. Pathetic.

reagansoptimism on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Good job staying obsessed with the distractions like ORCA that really had nothing to do with…

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

You backed an incompetent who has lost just about every political race he was ever in. He was the one who wouldn’t fight back against the press. He went on vacation while Obama spent his time defining who Romney was.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Red State: Romney got conned by his consultants

Wethal on November 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Holy Crap.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Well…

… the midterms are two years away.

I say we wait to the very last minute to learn our lessons…

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I have said in a few of these threads already I had problems with Orca. I was even asking John Ekdahl for help figuring it out the night before. I never received a packet, no link to the web app and I had to go to the Victory Center to try and get a poll watch certificate the morning of the election.

I definitely was discouraged yet my district did turn out the vote. In fact Bucks County came far closer to a Romney win than it did in 04 with Bush. I think there is a big difference here though. There was little or no effort put into the state by OFA because it was not a swing state. Had PA been a swing like OH OFA would have spent a year or more targeting Julias and molding them into voters.

Yes ORCA had massive problems but I honestly think it was the work put into these districts long before election day that sealed the fate on Tuesday. By all means we should fix every detail related to ORCA but ORCA wasn’t going to bring dejected and disinterested voters to the poll with a phone call Tuesday afternoon.

msmveritas on November 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

This is almost unbelievable.

But at the same time a silver lining.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:55 PM

The most incompetent campaign that I have ever seen. Truthfully inexplicable how bad these guys were.

Hopefully Rubio learns and does the exact opposite.

milcus on November 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Romney’s campaign wasn’t perfect; Romney himself wasn’t perfect. But you sat your *ss home and/or voted for Obama, which means you are the incompetent one here and are 100% responsible for Obama’s reelection.

I hope you get laid off first.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Good job staying obsessed with the distractions like ORCA that really had nothing to do with the outcome of the election as if Republicans are the ones who need people to drag their lazy butts out of bed to go vote when the real problem here is that we no longer have a free press but one that makes Pravda blush with its carrying of the SCoaMF & that half of the electorate will vote for whoever promises them “free” stuff.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

There’s many flanks on the battlefield.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Hopefully Rubio gets an actual agenda and accomplishes something in the Senate first.. m’kay. And a new speech that actually connects his biography and governing vision.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Mybe Team O had moles in Orca

Dork B. on November 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Romney’s campaign wasn’t perfect; Romney himself wasn’t perfect.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Yeah, General Custer’s campaign against the Indian nations wasn’t perfect either.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Oh and McCain’s campaign was more incompetent. See botched VP rollout.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

The most incompetent campaign that I have ever seen. Truthfully inexplicable how bad these guys were.

Hopefully Rubio learns and does the exact opposite.

milcus on November 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

No more unbelievable than the fact that we don’t have a free press anymore but one that works as a PR arm for Obama, who merely shrugged when he flew to Vegas after our ambassador was killed in a terrorist attack & people like you are now blaming a tech fail on the outcome of the election.

Oh, PS — don’t hold your breath for Rubio — the MSM isn’t going to allow him to win either.

But keep thinking this is all to blame on a tech fail.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

just when i thought you couldn’t be any dumber, you prove me wrong.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM

There’s many flanks on the battlefield.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Technically true — but some are much, much more important than others. I guess Messina is right–you have to stay focused on the little things like a tech fail, people don’t care about big things like the vital role of a free press to maintain a free country.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I notice you didn’t quote the most important part of my post — Obama’s re-election is much more your fault than the ORCA fail.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Oh and McCain’s campaign was more incompetent. See botched VP rollout.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

They had much less money too.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM

oh, and Sarah got more votes than mittens

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

But.. he’s Latino. The MSM will totes give Rubio a free pass. sarc off//

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

1. We had a gentleman going against a Chicago thug.

2. Remember Nancy Pelosi screaming about employment rates and gas prices prior to the 2008 election? If our RNC won’t stand up and shout about the nonsense going on, they won’t win. I know, I know, Reiss Priebus is just supposed to fundraise. Well screw that. He and Boehner should have been out there pounding through our message to every news outlet that would give them face time.

3. No. More. Moderates. We need a Reagan conservative.

4. We gotta get some new marketing and bumper sticker slogans (dang it – yes, seriously) like … “Conservatism is colorblind” and “Our tent includes 55 million unborn babies of every nationality” and “God is pro-life.”

SOMETHING. I mean, come on, aren’t some people somewhere getting paid big bucks to think up these things??

eucher on November 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Rubio will not see 2016………….may God bless his soul.

dmann on November 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

i’m not a Dem, so i wouldn’t like a call asking if i voted yet…besides, don’t a lot of Rs work? I’m not understanding this.

D’s i get…get a bus, troll the blocks, knock on doors, get on the bus….i’m getting that. But I don’t thinks Rs need that.

which not to say that we shouldn’t have vans to pick people up who can’t drive..or whatever…fine, call us, we’ll pick you up…and oh, btw, have you told your friends about this service?

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

One of my lawyer acquaintances who works in Dem politics in the Philly area started working with the election day GOTV computer system in the swing suburbs the Friday before.

There were some glitches, but by the weekend, everything was up and running, contact made with ground troops, and voter lists and polling places assigned. By Monday, they were running on all cylinders.

Wethal on November 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Technically true — but some are much, much more important than others. I guess Messina is right–you have to stay focused on the little things like a tech fail, people don’t care about big things like the vital role of a free press to maintain a free country.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I too think the media should be treated with a full cynical and realistic approach. They are a large part of the enemy.

Every thing they do is to undermine.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Red State: Romney got conned by his consultants

Wethal on November 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Holy Crap.

portlandon on November 9, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Yikes.

As David Mamet famously said, “If you’re in the con game and you don’t know who the mark is … you’re the mark.” Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming.

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Umm.. Yes, the VP rollout was botched. They had to spend the day before the convention started talking about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy. The Palin pick was a cynical and ugly move on the part of the McCain campaign. They did nothing to prepare her, left her out for the wolves, and blamed her for everything. Palin would have been better served giving a rocking keynote at the convention and running in 2012. Now she’s toxic. Say what you want about the Romney campaign, but they did right by Ryan. This was not a cynical move on Romney’s part.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I think there is a big difference here though. There was little or no effort put into the state by OFA because it was not a swing state. Had PA been a swing like OH OFA would have spent a year or more targeting Julias and molding them into voters.

Yes ORCA had massive problems but I honestly think it was the work put into these districts long before election day that sealed the fate on Tuesday. By all means we should fix every detail related to ORCA but ORCA wasn’t going to bring dejected and disinterested voters to the poll with a phone call Tuesday afternoon.

msmveritas on November 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I’m starting to think this is the lesson to be learned here as well.

Forget the fact that one party has more people registered than another – enough people from each party stay home each year that any party could win in almost any state if they just turned out all of their registered voters. Now, I realize that not everyone that’s a registered R will vote R (just as my grandmom that’s a life-long Democrat in CA hasn’t voted D in decades) – but, it’s likely that most of the people registered as R will vote for the R candidate. Given that, in these states where we’re losing by a few hundred thousand votes while millions of registered R’s don’t show up to the polls…well, turnout (above all else) is what killed us.

As much as I’ve hated getting OFA emails non-stop over the past 4 years, I have to admit that his turnout machine worked. The economy is down, his signature program is hated by the majority of the population, all polls showed low enthusiasm on his side (and high enthusiasm on his opponents side) and he still pulled it off.

I’m not saying we should have 24/7/365 campaigns, but, our GOTV machines should be built starting TODAY. Test everything – use primaries and special elections to see how things work – ditch everything that sucks, keep the good, and start testing again.

JadeNYU on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Obama’s re-election is much more your fault than the ORCA fail.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What a pathetic dodge.

Your guy couldn’t manage a campaign, has a history of badly managed campaigns, had a pathetic GOTV effort, snubbed the Ron Paul voters, the Palin voters, the Tea Party voters, the Gingrich supporters, went on vacation while the lazy Obama campaigned, tried to play defense the entire time, told us what a nice guy Obama was, trusted a Rino backstabber like Chris Christie while refusing to let Palin speak, and couldn’t distinguish himself from Obama while he sat there agreeing with Obama in the second and third debates, and you think some anonymous Internet poster is to blame?

You Mittbots have always been… and still are delusional.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

1. We had a gentleman going against a Chicago thug.

2. Remember Nancy Pelosi screaming about employment rates and gas prices prior to the 2008 election? If our RNC won’t stand up and shout about the nonsense going on, they won’t win. I know, I know, Reiss Priebus is just supposed to fundraise. Well screw that. He and Boehner should have been out there pounding through our message to every news outlet that would give them face time.

eucher on November 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

It’s like GOP just phoning it in , while liberals go all out demagoguery.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

The nightmare tale over at Ace by the guy whose experience with “Orca” left him out in the cold when he was rarin’ to work his keister off Election Day for Mitt Romney was shocking (had to go to Kinkos to print out the 60 or so pages of marching orders?!). This whale needs to be beached…permanently.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on November 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Don’t start talking Rubio until he actually does something to prove his conservative credentials. Bio and speeches does not a statesman make.

I want to see someone who’s willing to show leadership by actually risking his political career for the purpose of taking some principle-based action.

“There is nothing more powerful than inspirational leadership that unleashes principled behavior for a great cause,” said Dov Seidman, the C.E.O. of LRN, which helps companies build ethical cultures, and the author of the book “How.” What makes a company or a government “sustainable,” he added, is not when it adds more coercive rules and regulations to control behaviors. “It is when its employees or citizens are propelled by values and principles to do the right things, no matter how difficult the situation,” said Seidman. “Laws tell you what you can do. Values inspire in you what you should do. It’s a leader’s job to inspire in us those values.”

I have yet to see Rubio do this.

INC on November 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

1. We had a gentleman going against a Chicago thug.

eucher on November 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Strangely, he wasn’t much of a gentleman when he was attacking conservatives in the primary. John McCain had that same strange affliction.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Pathetic………

dmann on November 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Pathetic………

dmann on November 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Truth.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

As David Mamet famously said, “If you’re in the con game and you don’t know who the mark is … you’re the mark.” Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming.

Fallon on November 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

If that is true , I’m not so impressed by mitt.
This was supposed to be his strongest card.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I’ve been saying since Wednesday, the ground game theory in OH is that this whole thing was a con job from State GOP, national and elements inside Team Romney.

The ground numbers the consultants gave were BS, and we only found out Election Night.

Remember – the Romney camp kept saying their early voters were low-retention voters, meaning they weren’t reliable.

Except, they turned out to be the most reliable, which devoured the Election Day turnout by at least 25%.

That’s info from these consultant groups.

And they were “getting” that info in conjunction with the state and national party.

So consensus is now Kasich and most of the swing Governors knew, probably shared it with certain GOP leaders, and then waited to see if Romney could get any momentum.

After Denver, they jumped in thinking the Mo could actually generate the needed votes…

…but not from the magical “missing” voters we’re focused on now…

…but from independents and moderates.

Romney and Ryan had no idea, until maybe, the last two weeks. But that was only when polling froze and they couldn’t deny OH would drop below +1.5 Obama.

budfox on November 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Meh. I’d do her. (The Orca chick I mean.)

WhatSlushfund on November 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

A great private equity guy wouldn’t necessarily be a great movie producer or rock band manager; some managerial skills are transferable to politics, but it requires its own magic. Bill Clinton never showed up on time for anything; it didn’t seem to make a difference.

On the technology front, when he was in his 30s, Romney may have been fully able to understand the state-of-the-art IT. At 65, it was likely something he delegated and didn’t spend much time with. Yeah, I know, delegating smartly is the whole idea of being a good manager; but IT is a tough one for older execs.

bobs1196 on November 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Yet These are the same clowns who want you to change your ideals and now say Illegal Immigration and Infanticide(Abortion) is ok, while they sweep Benghazi and Dem Voter Fraud, under the rug for their partners in TREASON(Democrats & Benedict Obama)! Anyone who follows these Traitorous Weasels, deserves the stab in the back, they will get in return!
Fight the Obama Enemy media or Kiss The Constitution Goodbye: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The woman in that video is a complete airhead. How on earth did she get hired as a spokesperson or having any responsibility for the campaign at all? Ridiculous.

EarthToZoey on November 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

And what are we to do with the fact that Romney’s own pollster recently told Guy Benson that he’s expecting a national turnout advantage on election day of something like D+3? Should we be demanding a more even sample from pollsters than even Team Mitt is?

posted at 6:45 pm on September 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

Yes, you should have demanded a D+6 :)

sauldalinsky on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Hmmmm, lets see . . . we have McCain/Palin basically done in by their hired REPUBLICAN consultants and now Romney/Ryan back-stabbed by their REPUBLICAN consultants. Maybe these consultants are really players for the other side.

Still, I agree with sharrukin and others that there is NO excuse for the way Romney pandered to independents and various identity groups as well as the way he stood down at the debates on confronting important screw-ups the Obama administration was guilty of.

No matter. This was a doomed campaign from the get-go because Romney and his followers all believed that he could win by ignoring conservatives and focusing on pandering to independents and disaffected democrats. Folly all the way around.

KickandSwimMom on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I’ve been saying since Wednesday, the ground game theory in OH is that this whole thing was a con job from State GOP, national and elements inside Team Romney.

budfox on November 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Who are these folks, is it Bush family?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Red State: Romney got conned by his consultants

Wethal on November 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Wow is right. Feel bad for Mitt.

Part of being a leader/manager/boss is A) selecting people to do their jobs then B) allowing/trusting them to do those jobs.

Sounds like he got part A wrong and part B right. Sadly, part B is bad news when you’ve screwed up part A.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Better yet, let’s revisit all of the HA posts about how awesome the Republican enthusiasm is, and how the Tea Party voters are going to storm the polls.

Tell us some more about poll samples.

Unskew us that.

Moesart on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

INC thank you about Rubio.. I’ve been pointing this out for the past few days. He hasn’t done anything.

Also.. America, you made Paul Ryan and his sweet wife cry.. Seriously, Paul Ryan actually believes in politics and government and stuff. And you disillusioned him. That’s really not very cool.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Tuesday’s results were not the due to bad GOTV efforts by the Romney campaign.

As 2010 proved, Obama himself was the kind of GOTV possible.

Nor were Tuesday’s results of a poor campaign run by Romney. The Romney campaign was far better in every area than McCain’s, but Romney got millions less votes?

That’s what needs to be explained.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Hmmmm, lets see . . . we have McCain/Palin basically done in by their hired REPUBLICAN consultants and now Romney/Ryan back-stabbed by their REPUBLICAN consultants. Maybe these consultants are really players for the other side.

Still, I agree with sharrukin and others that there is NO excuse for the way Romney pandered to independents and various identity groups as well as the way he stood down at the debates on confronting important screw-ups the Obama administration was guilty of.

No matter. This was a doomed campaign from the get-go because Romney and his followers all believed that he could win by ignoring conservatives and focusing on pandering to independents and disaffected democrats. Folly all the way around.

KickandSwimMom on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Hmmmmmm. It looks like Mitt trusted some bad people he assumed wanted him to win, who are they?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

anyone know the current popular vote totals?

Jack_Burton on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Part of being a leader/manager/boss is A) selecting people to do their jobs then B) allowing/trusting them to do those jobs.

Sounds like he got part A wrong and part B right. Sadly, part B is bad news when you’ve screwed up part A.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

An experienced leader can managed that , trust but verify.

He’s a multi millionaire , what went wrong?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

He’s the man we need if we want competence in Washington DC.

What a joke!

Tell us how it wasn’t his fault at all…just like the Obamabots tell us how Obama’s screw-ups aren’t to be laid at his door either.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Yup. I question where this competence meme came from. Massachusetts was worse off than when he came in, and he lost to McCain of all people in 2008. He’s had several failed runs for office in the past. He’s not necessarily a bad person, but he clearly is not cut out for politics.

Romney’s campaign wasn’t perfect; Romney himself wasn’t perfect. But you sat your *ss home and/or voted for Obama, which means you are the incompetent one here and are 100% responsible for Obama’s reelection.

I hope you get laid off first.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Sorry, this is totally the wrong view to take, and you’re talking to someone who voted for Romney. The bottom line is you had ample warning about what would happen if you guys drove forward with Romney’s nomination, and you refused to listen, dismissing any opposition to Romney as “extremist.”

I’ll say what I said in the other thread: politics is about the art of the possible, and it’s not possible to win without the base. Continuing to attack the party base after the fact shows you still understand reality. You can learn to get along with the Republican base and accept that you’ll have to compromise with them, or you can enjoy being politically irrelevant for the next two or three decades.

The Democrats embraced their base after 2004, and they currently have almost total power now. You might consider that before lashing out at the base (again) and blaming them for the failure of Romney and his supporters.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Well, let’s keep beating the drum, not just about Rubio, but about anyone who is suddenly prematurely seen as a “rising star” when they have yet to show leadership under fire.

INC on November 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Part of being a leader/manager/boss is A) selecting people to do their jobs then B) allowing/trusting them to do those jobs.

Sounds like he got part A wrong and part B right. Sadly, part B is bad news when you’ve screwed up part A.

RedNewEnglander on November 9, 2012 at 8:29 PM

And C) a willingness to fire incompetents, including those who are personal acquaintances, such as Stu Stevens.

Wethal on November 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

The ABRs who are basically claiming that Romney should have micro-manged/oversaw the actual IT development of ORCA and that it’s failure is *the* reason Obama won reelection just prove that all the idiots in this country are not on the left.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

The Democrats embraced their base after 2004, and they currently have almost total power now. You might consider that before lashing out at the base (again) and blaming them for the failure of Romney and his supporters.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

This.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

And if Ryan can pick himself up and soldier on and speak out, then that wins marks in my book. Fortitude to hold to the course through adversity is proven by time and suffering through it.

INC on November 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

and connects it up to Romney’s prestige as a managerial Jedi.

He was never a managerial “jedi” not even in the remotest sense of the term.

He was not promoted to his position in Bain because of ability. He got that job because of dear old daddy … and the huge Roll-A-Dex he inherited from him.

Nothing against rich guys they just don’t make the greatest candidates for POTUS. Oh yeah – they’re usually rich by the time they run but they don’t start out that way. They don’t start out life with silver spoons in their mouths like Mittens did.

If Mittens had been born in Eureka, CA – it might be worthy noting the things he did later in life.

As it is – he’s an underachiever actually given his head start giving to him by his rich family.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Better yet, let’s revisit all of the HA posts about how awesome the Republican enthusiasm is, and how the Tea Party voters are going to storm the polls.

Tell us some more about poll samples.

Unskew us that.

Moesart on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1oEne-Ktjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L38TDNgpayE

There are plenty more of these, but you can find them yourself.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Looks as though Romney hired democrats to manage/run his campaign.

RoyalFlush on November 9, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The ABRs who are basically claiming that Romney should have micro-manged/oversaw the actual IT development of ORCA and that it’s failure is *the* reason Obama won reelection just prove that all the idiots in this country are not on the left.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Straw man.

It was one failure of many that shouldn’t been there. A good manager knows how to verify his infrastructure without micromanage.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Hmmmmmm. It looks like Mitt trusted some bad people he assumed wanted him to win, who are they?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Does Nicolle Wallace sound familiar? I believe her husband was heavily involved in the Romney campaign. Also, Nina (? – appears on Fox News Sunday panel). Her husband is also a Romney surrogate. Also, I believe Romney hired at least 24 former Bush consultants and aides for his campaign. Gee, maybe they backstabbed him to clear the field for Jeb in 2016? Lol

KickandSwimMom on November 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

You were wrong then & if you still think that Santorum or Newt would have done better against the Chicago Machine with the MSM on PR duty you are wronger now.

And if you sat home & didn’t vote then you deserve what’s coming as much as those who voted for Obama do. Point.Blank.Period.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Straw man.

It was one failure of many that shouldn’t been there. A good manager knows how to verify his infrastructure without micromanage.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Nope. Not a strawman. What you are PRETENDING I said with your answer is the strawman argument.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

No beta…

No dry run…

And no back-up…

Hey, that old ‘print out materials and put them on a clipboard’ deal looks way too high tech, doesn’t it?

What a Charlie-Foxtrot.

ajacksonian on November 9, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yup. I question where this competence meme came from. Massachusetts was worse off than when he came in, and he lost to McCain of all people in 2008. He’s had several failed runs for office in the past. He’s not necessarily a bad person, but he clearly is not cut out for politics.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM

It was largely fabricated from wispy materials in Romney’s business background. They did the same thing with Obama and Justin Bieber, though at least with Romney they had something to work with.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You were wrong then & if you still think that Santorum or Newt would have done better against the Chicago Machine with the MSM on PR duty you are wronger now.

And if you sat home & didn’t vote then you deserve what’s coming as much as those who voted for Obama do. Point.Blank.Period.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Voted for Romney, as I already said (albeit holding my nose).

The issue with this statement is that Romney was clearly not electable given that we now have tested him against actual election results. Gingrich and others never got that chance because the party quickly backed Romney and smashed his opposition with a tsunami of bad press and negative advertising (occasionally helped along by the liberals) before any of them could gain too much traction.

I’ll point out that the most recent, serious policy successes of conservatives were during the Reagan revolution and Gingrich speakership, both of whom were outspoken and unashamed conservatives. This would be the same Gingrich sneeringly dismissed by Romney supporters as a “TruCon” and right-wing extremist. We got basically nothing, domestically, of worth from the two Bush presidencies (except arguably the Bush tax cuts).

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

and connects it up to Romney’s prestige as a managerial Jedi.

He was never a managerial “jedi” not even in the remotest sense of the term.

He was not promoted to his position in Bain because of ability. He got that job because of dear old daddy … and the huge Roll-A-Dex he inherited from him.

Nothing against rich guys they just don’t make the greatest candidates for POTUS. Oh yeah – they’re usually rich by the time they run but they don’t start out that way. They don’t start out life with silver spoons in their mouths like Mittens did.

If Mittens had been born in Eureka, CA – it might be worthy noting the things he did later in life.

As it is – he’s an underachiever actually given his head start giving to him by his rich family.

HondaV65 on November 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Aww, Honda takes the mental trip back to when little Honda was deprived of everything and his family couldn’t give him a leg up and transfers and projects it all on Mitt, while reinforcing his OWS/class warfare mantras and rich man hatred (note the typical defensive e stance: ”nothing against rich guys’ – no, really? :)….it’s ok, that’s just expected from and typical of losers like you :)…

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 9:05 PM

In addition to not running a strong candidate, there are two other really critical issues the Republican party must work against in every election, no matter who it nominates.

1) The main stream media. No matter how much those of us who are politically aware wish it otherwise, the average person comes home, turns on one of the alphabet channels and absorbs the day’s news while either getting breakfast ready and the kids off to school or while getting the meal at the end of the day ready. They read the NYT or one of its local surrogates and get all of the media spin and propaganda about how evil Republicans are, what saints the democrats are, and how Fox News is the debul. These are the bulk of the voters, not evil or uninformed, but misinformed by a media that is completely in the tank for the democrats and marxists. This media will show up when three wacko democrats are going to show up with a muffler at a gas station to decry how little tax cuts are going to do for the “little guy”, but can’t be bothered to honestly cover a rally of Tea Party activists protesting the government takeover of the health care industry. It is from this red cloth that people are forming their opinions.

2) Voter fraud. Yes, it is real, yes it is exacerbated by opposition to voter ID and the rampant prevalence of mail-in ballots and early voting. The dems are masters of stuffing the ballot box.

Put up a weak candidate against those headwinds and you get another four years of Obama.

New bumper sticker suggestion:
November 6, 2012
RIP America

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 9:09 PM

People want to blame everything but the candidate.

As usual.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Fail whale?

VioletTiger on November 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Thread winner

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 9:11 PM

which state polls, the ones that you and Ed were bending over backwards to convince us that were skewed towards democrats :-)…seriously?

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

As if you needed “convincing”. If they had told you the truth, you and your other little minions in the ‘Bot Brigade would’ve been ready to string them from the nearest lamppost.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 PM

You were wrong then & if you still think that Santorum or Newt would have done better against the Chicago Machine with the MSM on PR duty you are wronger now.

And if you sat home & didn’t vote then you deserve what’s coming as much as those who voted for Obama do. Point.Blank.Period.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Chicago Machine and MSM my ass. This election was lost on November 5 2008 when lots of folks were gearing up to shove Mighty Electbale Mitt down our throats.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I volunteered for ORCA and got back one email saying that I would be contacted in two days.

I never was contacted.

I talked to a man at a job fair about volunteering in the Senate race.

I was never contacted.

DarrelsJoy on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I too think the media should be treated with a full cynical and realistic approach. They are a large part of the enemy.

Every thing they do is to undermine.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

And if we don’t figure out how to combat this — not the GOPe’s; I always get the distinct sense they are playing the same game as the Dems, only less bloodthirsty — we are sunk.

I asked yesterday why no one on our side ever does any opposition research and plans ways to defeat the media/Dem influence like, let’s face it, the Dems actually do all the time, in an election year or not. They are forever playing chess. We just bring out the board and set up the pieces the year before the election.

And it would not surprise me in the least about the story from Red State. I’ll have to read it a little later, but it figures — we have enemy elements inside waiting to sabotage some way, somehow. I’ll have to find the link (can’t right now), but I read an article on PJ Media from Michael Walsh that detailed how to go about beating the Left at its own game.

PatriotGal2257 on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Who are these folks, is it Bush family?

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

The question in OH is if it was Kasich’s people distorting info or the other half of the GOP, which is DeWine/Voinovich/Taft.

The DeWines have been at low-level war with Kasich since 2010.

Kevin DeWine was head of the state GOP and was accused of purposely undermining Kasich to the point where he was forced to resign.

Mike DeWine, who’s the state AG and former moderate Senator, bailed on Romney during the GOP primary to back Santorum. To this day, I still cannot figure that out, other then they were Senate colleagues, because DeWine was a McCain ally for years. So it was a big betrayal and hurt Mitt’s in-state credibility.

Voinovich is still bitter about being pushed out/retired. Just like the Taft family.

Kasich is the wild card. He had that fall out with Mitt over Romney for distancing from SB5 during an in-state visit, then backing it by memo. Kasich got torched on that, and by the look of the exit tabs, the public sector R voters – police, fire, spouses – went for Obama, as they said they would after SB5.

National RNC, it’s hard to tell. But these are the same power cliques, so info, good or bad, would be shared.

When you look at the Governors in swing states, who showed for Mitt.

Sandoval was blatantly absent from the stump, to the point that when he did hit the ground, the NV press made note of how rare it was.

Rick Scott was the invisible man, but that was always chalked up to his unfavorables. Looking at how bad FL went, I don’t know now.

Scott Walker showed once or twice for Ryan. What happened to his “well-oiled machine” that we read about ad nauseum?

Where was Shelly Martinez?

People are now blaming Louis Fortuno’s loss in Purto Rico on his closeness to Romney!

If he was that toxic with Latinos, how did no one in the Romney camp know that?

TPaw got out early. Very early in hindsight.

Perry didn’t stumped until the end. And not in OH where he’s liked.

And, for kickers, we have Christie.

Jindal and McDonnell were the only steadfasts.

My belief:

The groups collating the voters saw a huge gap coming out of the primaries.

That Newt had inflicted unrepairable damage in Ohio, North Carolina and Florida.

They shared this with certain GOP “leaders”, elected or otherwise, and a decision was made to kept it quiet.

Not out of fear of depressing the base, but out of fear of another Tea Party takeover, where all of the focus would go towards the Congressional players.

Mitt’s consultants saw the same problem, but told him it could be countered. When the numbers showed by mid-summer it couldn’t, they started playing a shell game; skewed polls, ’08 models, registration base. It flushed the system to where pundits – from Rove to cough bloggers – were chanting the same mantra.

Denver created real hope that indies/moderates could fill the registration void.

Not enough, as moderates broke towards Barry, because they’re socially left to start with.

But Romney/Ryan though a trove of registered voters were still going to show. But they never existed.

I mean, does anyone really believe Barry’s missing 10Mil voters are all “real” people? It’s probably 5 Mil real, 5 Mil Acorn.

I’m not buying a missing 3 mil until after Thanksgiving. People forget McCain had a nice surge when all the numbers came in.

budfox on November 9, 2012 at 9:20 PM

which state polls, the ones that you and Ed were bending over backwards to convince us that were skewed towards democrats :-)…seriously?

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

But see, that’s the thing. The polls were skewed toward democrats. The polls assumed a larger turnout than 2008 when democrats were excited and enthusiastic and a lower turnout of Republicans when the Republicans were dispirited and demoralized by a weak candidate. That’s what doesn’t make sense in this whole thing. People in the country are OK with how Obama is handling things? Really? Republicans were not willing to vote not only against Obama but for Romney (he was an order of magnitude better than McCain, even being a weak candidate)? This doesn’t make sense.

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM

The ABRs…

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:36 PM

…were right, and you were wrong. Point. Blank. Period.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

…were right, and you were wrong. Point. Blank. Period.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Yes. End of story.

By the way, notice how much nicer this place has become now that most of the Romney operatives have left? It feels like home again. :)

KickandSwimMom on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 PM

As if you needed “convincing”. If they had told you the truth, you and your other little minions in the ‘Bot Brigade would’ve been ready to string them from the nearest lamppost.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 PM

According to the reader survey, 94% of Hotairians expected a Romney win, with 70%+ expecting a landslide including wins in PA, NH, IA, WI, OH, CO, VA, and FL.

Ed/AP were giving their customers what they wanted.

sauldalinsky on November 9, 2012 at 9:28 PM

But see, that’s the thing. The polls were skewed toward democrats. The polls assumed a larger turnout than 2008 when democrats were excited and enthusiastic and a lower turnout of Republicans when the Republicans were dispirited and demoralized by a weak candidate. That’s what doesn’t make sense in this whole thing. People in the country are OK with how Obama is handling things? Really? Republicans were not willing to vote not only against Obama but for Romney (he was an order of magnitude better than McCain, even being a weak candidate)? This doesn’t make sense.

AZfederalist on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Come on now. Are you erstwhile Romney rah-rah types really that dense, or is it just a put-on? It makes perfect sense. There was a conservative uprising in 2010 and it showed at the polls. But that was too much competition for the GOPe and it’s brilliant plans and maneuvers and so it had to be, if not co-opted, then pissed on. This there was a sense of disillusionment and “What’s the point?” after 2 years of badmouthing couple with non-action if not outright capitulation. Did you REALLY think the turnout in 2012 was going to mirror that of 2010 or even 2004? Really? People weren’t given enough of a choice.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I’ll point out that the most recent, serious policy successes of conservatives were during the Reagan revolution and Gingrich speakership, both of whom were outspoken and unashamed conservatives. This would be the same Gingrich sneeringly dismissed by Romney supporters as a “TruCon” and right-wing extremist. We got basically nothing, domestically, of worth from the two Bush presidencies (except arguably the Bush tax cuts).

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

All this talk of Reagan revolution is kind of trite and anachronistic and a form of escapism to avoid watching the reality in the face and admitting that 1) we don’t have he numbers anymore (demographics + minorities going all to dems) and 2) a majority of people want free stuff. Once you understand this, you will also get that talk of trucon, socon, moderate, rinos, is largely irrelevant, it will only lead to the cannibalization of the GOP, while the demographics will definitively ensure that all presidents from now on will be left or center left. as for the presidents and their legacies, not sure what the 2 Bushes legacies can be summed up as, but one of Reagan’s legacies is the today explosive Hispanic demographics that comes back to bite us in the azzes :)…

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 PM

According to the reader survey, 94% of Hotairians expected a Romney win, with 70%+ expecting a landslide including wins in PA, NH, IA, WI, OH, CO, VA, and FL.

Ed/AP were giving their customers what they wanted.

sauldalinsky on November 9, 2012 at 9:28 PM

ROFL, yep. All you can do is shake your head and laugh.

ddrintn on November 9, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Better yet, let’s revisit all of the HA posts about how awesome the Republican enthusiasm is, and how the Tea Party voters are going to storm the polls.

Tell us some more about poll samples.

Unskew us that.

Moesart on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1oEne-Ktjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L38TDNgpayE

There are plenty more of these, but you can find them yourself.

Dark Star on November 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Thanks for the Romney campaign videos. I really enjoyed watching them. I didn’t realize Colorado was that beautiful though.

HotAirLib on November 9, 2012 at 9:33 PM

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