Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land

posted at 8:51 am on November 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

John Boehner has a tough job over the next few weeks — and two years — walking a tightrope between getting acute problems solved while maintaining his credibility with the activist Republican base.  He has the fiscal cliff to resolve without caving on tax increases, investigations to pursue, and more budget negotiations that will at some point require serious entitlement reform.  With all of that on his plate, Boehner doesn’t have much time for fantasy, especially the fantasy that ObamaCare can be repealed.  Boehner told ABC News that the ACA is now “the law of the land,” but that he wants to address parts of it within the context of budget negotiations:

Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

Still, there are some parts of the law, he said, that should be on the table as lawmakers work toward a balanced budget.

My friend at Poor Richard’s News is outraged:

Did Democrats roll over and compromise their principles when George W. Bush won re-election?  No, they did not.  They dug in, they hardened their opposition, and they cleaned our clocks in the last two Presidential elections.  Now is not the time to go all mushy.  Now is is the time to fight harder than ever.

Now, I understand that Bohner’s position may be a tactical one.  Practically speaking, with a re-elected Obama and a Democrat majority still in the Senate, a bill to repeal would get no where.  However, that doesn’t mean that every House and Senate Republican’s goal shouldn’t be to pull this weed up from its roots.  Bohner must clarify his position.  This election was not a mandate to keep Obamacare, and if he expects to be the leader of the House Republicans, he needs to be the leading voice of opposition to it. It doesn’t matter how it happens, a single bill or a chipping away at it gradually.  Obamacare must go.

This isn’t a tactical decision.  It’s reality.  The ACA is not a static law; most of its provisions will go into effect in the next two years, and after that repeal will be immensely difficult, thanks to its transformational nature in relation to the insurance and health-provider industries.  It’s going to be too late to “pull this weed up by its roots” by 2017, the next possible spot on the calendar to do so.  By then, we will have to offer a second round of transformation that starts in the context of ObamaCare., and hope we have a Republican President and Republican majorities to even get that process under way.

We had only two ways to stop ObamaCare.  Either we needed a new President with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress, or veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.  Voters didn’t provide John Boehner with either option.  When we say that elections have consequences, this is exactly what we mean.

Back to the tightrope.  Boehner did draw a line in the sand on tax rates, while leaving open the possibility of increasing revenues through tax reform — which has been the Republican position for almost two years:

 ”Raising tax rates is unacceptable,” Boehner, R-Ohio, said in his first broadcast interview since the election Tuesday.

“Frankly, it couldn’t even pass the House. I’m not sure it could pass the Senate.”

That stance could set up a real showdown with the White House given that the president has said he would veto any deal that does not allow tax cuts for the rich to expire. But the speaker said that Republicans would put new tax revenue on the table as leaders work toward a deal.

If I had to guess, both Boehner and Obama will want to go back to the deal that Obama rejected in August 2011, which would still work, and would have fewer political consequences in the wake of the election.  That could get done quickly and would go a long way to bolstering investor confidence that the next four years will be a little more responsible in Washington than the last eighteen months.


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Doing nothing but be obstructionists the last 2 years hasn’t helped us make any gains. We even lost seats in the Senate. Clearly we need a different game plan.

Give Obama his tax hikes. All of it. Let everything expire. Who cares if the economy tanks, it won’t be our fault.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I don’t get you way of thinking. When you didn’t vote for Romney you knew that he would likely lose and ObamaCare would be the law of the land. You want America to crash. It was your decision. You got what you wanted. Why are you complaining about the GOP now?

I can’t imagine that you didn’t understand that Romney’s defeat means that ObamaCare will be implemented.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Obamacare isn’t the law of the land. Read the thread, especially page 2.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:06 PM

But they also voted for divided government – so I guess you could say there’s just as much of a mandate for Boehner to do whatever he can to block it.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Sorry Tarheel, but I think that’s a bit of a stretch. Repealing Obamacare was one of Romney’s main planks. The opportunity to see it done was firmly in the hands of the people. Boenher can’t beat the charge of “obstructionism” anymore. We didn’t give him any cover.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Scrumpy,

Work.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Obstruct or die.

Fight or die.

Roll over, your dead without a fight.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Seems some RINO’s U.S. Senators of the Republican Party voted yes on ColdCommieCare CCC.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You need to rethink what a RINO is. You and your party have nominated Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Reagan, Ford, etc. And let’s not even get into Senators.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Either conservatives adapt in a smart way or it’s over for a very long time.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Your advice is to become Democrats so that we can defeat the Democrats.

Why not just vote Democrat and save ourselves the bother of all that running around?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Either conservatives adapt in a smart way or it’s over for a very long time.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Your advice is to become Democrats so that we can defeat the Democrats.

Why not just vote Democrat and save ourselves the bother of all that running around?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

I’m a native Texan.

My choice was always Gov. Perry because of his record of common sense conservatism and his 10th amendment stance.

His policies for reform made sense and were rooted in a return to a workable federalism.

I also think in the current political climate former democrats who have switched parties have a better chance at beating the marxists.

Reagan was smart that way…he knew the tactics,thinking and language from the inside so to speak.

He could persuade conservative democrats to rally around him…But to succeed at that requires strategy.

It’s more an argument about tactics and strategy to achieve an objective.

But that’s just me…

I always thought the argument should be the 10th amendment but it became about the social issues and choosing the a perfect messiah.

Perry nailed it as he saw it and ya’ll ignored it.

This was never a republican v democrat battle.

This is a Federalist v Statists War on every issue.

The Unions know that.
The Marxists know that.
The Moderate Republicans know that.
(And they want to get rid of the federalists)

The only way to win that in a smart way is to do what Reagan did…Find what binds us together and sell it to split the opposition.

As a former democrat he knew how to fight them on their turf.

He was conservative but pragmatic and chose how to apply his conservatism in governance.

If conservative purists want conservative purity you’ll have to find a better way to sell it to a worn out electorate.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Sorry Tarheel, but I think that’s a bit of a stretch. Repealing Obamacare was one of Romney’s main planks. The opportunity to see it done was firmly in the hands of the people. Boenher can’t beat the charge of “obstructionism” anymore. We didn’t give him any cover.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Good point, but why did people vote for divided government then? A lot of Obama voters had to also vote for a Republican Congressman.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

He took plenty of action. He voted no. Repeatedly.

And yet you mock him.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Boehner voted ‘no’ too. So did every Republican in Congress. They fought tooth and nail to keep this thing from going forward for as long as they could. And yet you mock them.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

I told you the eSTAB repubs and Boehner specifically didn’t want to fight this. I told you they were going to sell you out! These POS sell outs are going to sweep Benghazi under the rug too. Watch these low lives give amnesty in a manner that only the Dems take credit for it too.

http://www.paratisiusa.blogspot.com

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

He took plenty of action. He voted no. Repeatedly.

And yet you mock him.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

He was completely ineffectual. Thirty years in the House and what did he accomplish? He deserves to be mocked.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Heh, guess what issue Rush is addressing? He’s talking about giving Obama everything he wants.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Dang, Bradky is here? Who mentioned Palin?

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Good point, but why did people vote for divided government then? A lot of Obama voters had to also vote for a Republican Congressman.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Representatives usually have a pretty good incumbency advantage at home. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. Heck, even Jesse Jackson, Jr. got back in… and he’s probably still in the booby hatch.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Non-White minorities now make up 28% of the electorate, an enormous increase over the last 30 years. These people have lived with good economies under Reagan, Clinton, and even Bush. These last 4 years have been the first really bad times that they’ve suffered through. But there just weren’t enough of them who were willing to pin the blame on the first non-White POTUS, who is a source of pride for them. They wanted to give him more time to fix things.

They don’t know much about how much bigger government has gotten since FDR. They don’t know how far we’ve drifted from the principles of the Founding Fathers. It’s not that they’re automatically opposed to a return to smaller government, it’s that they don’t know what they don’t know.

After another 4 years of economic suffering, they’ll be ready to hear some other ideas. And we’d be crazy to not have either Marco Rubio or Bobby Jindal be the ones to make our case to them. This isn’t about makers vs. takers. It’s about a growing non-White population that wasn’t around for the Carter years who are sympathetic to Obama and who now have the power to significantly influence elections.

We’ll get our shot with them.

As far as Obamacare, being a doctor has been too profitable for too long for people to all of the sudden be willing to go through the rigors of medical school and make the same amount of money as a postal clerk. And too many people are living too long to resign themselves to death panels. It’s not that it’s too late to repeal it, it’s that it’s too early. People have to feel the full effects of it in order to be motivated to get rid of it. We’re used to a high standard of medical care, and if people feel like that’s slipping away, they’ll want something different, and they’ll be open to a different kind of medical care reform.

ardenenoch on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Bush was better than a known liar/traitor/fake.

Dole to old.

Ford did the best he could.

Reagan saved your ass.

McCain did not put up a fight.

I and my wife were some of the first to support Ted Cruz.

The Bush family know my wife and I and they nor John Cornyn will come into a Republican meeting is they know we are there as they know we call their hand on the liberal crap in public and they can not answer us.

IF BEING COMMIE WAS EASY WE WOULD ALL BE COMMIES.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Boehner’s strategy is to get out of the way of the marxists…Let them fail

Conservatism will have to be up to the governors at the state level…and at the local level.

Re-group and educate the ignorant.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM

1. Let Obama have all he wants, and more. He’ll take/own it all.

2. Take advantage of all the milking you’re eligible for. Don’t be proud. Just take from the big/skinny gov’t cow. She’s nearly dead.

3. If you can’t handle 1 and 2, starve the beast. Don’t feed the looters/moochers.

4. Only pain will teach the fools a lesson. Money does not come from the bank and mild doesn’t come from the grocery store.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The opposite is already in Obamacare. You cannot pay for medical care out of your own pocket.

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 11:33 AM

There are still direct-pay practices. They have not been banned…yet.

There are also these options:

Black Market Healthcare – A Few Concrete Suggestions

Of course, state nullification should be a top priority.

Rae on November 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Representatives usually have a pretty good incumbency advantage at home. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. Heck, even Jesse Jackson, Jr. got back in… and he’s probably still in the booby hatch.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I wouldn’t short-sell that result. The House majority voted for the Ryan plan and survived. This is about the only bright spot to come from Tueday’s election. The Republicans still have a lot power and arguably have a mandate for their position, if they use it wisely.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

He was completely ineffectual. Thirty years in the House and what did he accomplish? He deserves to be mocked.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

So success to you isn’t voting no against government intrusion, government growth, and no against infringements of liberty. No, success to you is mountains of legislation.

Don’t blame the one voice who said no to government; blame YOU and your party for not standing up to government.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

1. Let Obama have all he wants, and more. He’ll take/own it all.

2. Take advantage of all the milking you’re eligible for. Don’t be proud. Just take from the big/skinny gov’t cow. She’s nearly dead.

3. If you can’t handle 1 and 2, starve the beast. Don’t feed the looters/moochers.

4. Only pain will teach the fools a lesson. Money does not come from the bank and mild doesn’t come from the grocery store.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 12:17 PM

This means I can get Obamaphone?

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:19 PM

This isn’t a tactical decision. It’s reality.

You were cheerleading some phantom Romney surge before the election, and you were wrong.

Reality is that nothing is set in stone. I’ve watched Obama straight out ignore laws he didn’t like with Reid and Pelosi making up the rules as they go along, so no way will I buy into this defeatist attitude. The American electorate proved they will reward feisty rhetoric with zero substance, Reid didn’t even have to pass a budget which he is legally obligated to do, so I have no time for this soft Minnesotan approach.

Daemonocracy on November 9, 2012 at 12:20 PM

So, just WHEN will Preezy be giving his address, today ???
I just keep finding that he will, not when, or to whom.

pambi on November 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Freedom is life.

The Commie Way Kills.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:22 PM

ardenenoch on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

If it’s about the Party of Whitey, then what you’re saying essentially is that every person of color is a racist who votes singularly to take down whitey. I don’t think that’s true, but if it is, we’d all best get out to the gun store, because that’s not something you can pander to or placate indefinitely.

So, what makes more sense? That 40-ish percent of the population are frothing racists?… or that more than half of this country has figured out they can continue to vote largesse from our empty treasury?

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Boehner voted ‘no’ too. So did every Republican in Congress. They fought tooth and nail to keep this thing from going forward for as long as they could. And yet you mock them.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM

You need to take another look at that. Boehner voted to raise the debt ceiling. Only 10 Republican Congressmen said no.

Boehner voted for TARP.

Voted to give Mexico money to fight drugs.

Boehner voted yes on making the Patriot Act permanent.

Boehner voted yes on intelligence gathering without civilian oversight.

Boehner voted yes to end offshore tax havens.

Give me a freaking break. You’re clueless, hopeless, and lost.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Some men still have their balls.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM

As far as Obamacare, being a doctor has been too profitable for too long for people to all of the sudden be willing to go through the rigors of medical school and make the same amount of money as a postal clerk. And too many people are living too long to resign themselves to death panels. It’s not that it’s too late to repeal it, it’s that it’s too early. People have to feel the full effects of it in order to be motivated to get rid of it. We’re used to a high standard of medical care, and if people feel like that’s slipping away, they’ll want something different, and they’ll be open to a different kind of medical care reform.

ardenenoch on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Good points. And yes, the American people are going to hate Obamacare. The CBO said 20 million will be booted from their employee health plan, and they will then have to enter a government-run exchange. Plus, the government is going to make end-of-life decisions for people. I also saw a report that said in the year 2020, there will still be 30 million uninsured. The cost curve is going to rise instead of fall. It’s going to do the opposite of everything that was promised. Obama should be held accountable for that (that would be a first).

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM

So success to you isn’t voting no against government intrusion, government growth, and no against infringements of liberty. No, success to you is mountains of legislation.

Don’t blame the one voice who said no to government; blame YOU and your party for not standing up to government.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

No. Success is winning. Success is building an enduring coalition. Reagan was successful. Ryan has been much more successful than Paul during his considerably shorter tenure in the House. Voting alone is pretty much the definition of futility and failure. When 80 percent of what you are saying is correct, and everybody thinks that you’re the crazy uncle, something is wrong.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM

http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/11/obamas-re-election-will-accelerate-shift-from-full-time-to-part-time-employment.html

…Every time I read about the entirely predictable unintended consequences of Obamacare, I’m reminded of two things: Pelosi’s “we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it” idiocy, and Obama’s nationally televised claim in August 2009 that “if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it”.

In that video, Obama was essentially responding to Governor Palin’s challenge. Readers may recall that during the summer of 2009, while the Republican Establishment sat on their collective a*ses, it was Governor Palin who led the opposition to Obama and Obamacare. Her “death panel’s metaphor, later confirmed as accurate by Obama’s own OMB Director, knocked Obama on his heels, galvanized opposition to Obamacare that summer which ultimately came within a whisker of scuttling it. Indeed she got so much under Obama’s skin that he took the unusual step of public attacking private citizen Palin. Maybe if she’d had a little Establishment help back then, or if Republicans hadn’t nominated a candidate who invented it, we wouldn’t be living under its shadow now…

ChuckTX on November 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Don’t normally comment in the longer threads because a loudmouth like me doesn’t like having to compete for visibility :P

But for what it’s worth, that analysis was spot-on in my not-so-humble opinion. I can respect Roberts’ decision to tell us (as a nation) to take out Obamacare if we want it done so bad. We didn’t do that, so we reap what we sow.

I can also respect Boehner saying he’ll play the hand he’s dealt. I’m optimistic enough to believe he’d have pushed hard for repeal if it were possible. We (as the nation) didn’t give him that avenue.

I will say however that we need Boehner to give us a red line beyond which a gov’t shut-down is preferable to backing down from our principles… And then he needs to actually stand by that red line if we get there.

Atlas on November 9, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Dang, Bradky is here? Who mentioned Palin?

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

LOL

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 12:27 PM

This one is useful.

Obama’scare !

Obama-scare

Obama/scare

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Obamas care

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:27 PM

No. Success is winning. Success is building an enduring coalition. Reagan was successful. Ryan has been much more successful than Paul during his considerably shorter tenure in the House. Voting alone is pretty much the definition of futility and failure. When 80 percent of what you are saying is correct, and everybody thinks that you’re the crazy uncle, something is wrong.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Then become a Democrat since they win elections.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Let the freeloaders choke on ObamaCare!!!

redguy on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Don’t normally comment in the longer threads because a loudmouth like me doesn’t like having to compete for visibility :P

But for what it’s worth, that analysis was spot-on in my not-so-humble opinion. I can respect Roberts’ decision to tell us (as a nation) to take out Obamacare if we want it done so bad. We didn’t do that, so we reap what we sow.

I can also respect Boehner saying he’ll play the hand he’s dealt. I’m optimistic enough to believe he’d have pushed hard for repeal if it were possible. We (as the nation) didn’t give him that avenue.

I will say however that we need Boehner to give us a red line beyond which a gov’t shut-down is preferable to backing down from our principles… And then he needs to actually stand by that red line if we get there.

Atlas on November 9, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Well said. If you’re a loudmouth, then we can use more of it :)

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I can respect Roberts’ decision to tell us (as a nation) to take out Obamacare if we want it done so bad.

Atlas on November 9, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Roberts was wrong. Obamacare is unconstitutional; it is not the law of the land.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I wouldn’t short-sell that result. The House majority voted for the Ryan plan and survived. This is about the only bright spot to come from Tueday’s election. The Republicans still have a lot power and arguably have a mandate for their position, if they use it wisely.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Well, that’s exactly it… “using it wisely”. Continuing on with the Obamacare fight doesn’t meet that description. Elections have consequences, and people are about to find that out. Next election is NOT going to be about Sandra Fluke’s imagined right to tax-payer funded birth control and Big Bird. Democrats have planned well to prevent people from feeling the pain. And it’s past time they see what they’ve wrought.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Then become a Democrat since they win elections.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Reductio ad absurdum is no way to win an argument. It’s pretty much an admission of defeat.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

What a difference a few days make. Looks like the voters are getting what they asked for.

Utah coal mine lays off 102 workers over Obama “war on coal”
This is just be the start of the lay offs that were postponed until after the election.

Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land.
Now they can take back the exceptions and waivers.

State Department to senate: You can only look at Benghazi documents when you’re not here.
No longer have to be transparent and open.

This is the start of a closed totalitarian government. You asked for it, you voted for it, bend over your getting it.

jpcpt03 on November 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Reductio ad absurdum is no way to win an argument. It’s pretty much an admission of defeat.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Your argument was absurd to begin with; I didn’t reduce it to absurdity. You’re just like the rest of your party: lip service; say one thing, but do another, and then mock the ones who actually stand for the principles you only pay lip service to.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Then become a Democrat since they win elections.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 PM

See Boehner, Christie, Rice, et al.

ElectricPhase on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM

What a difference a few days make. Looks like the voters are getting what they asked for.

Utah coal mine lays off 102 workers over Obama “war on coal”
This is just be the start of the lay offs that were postponed until after the election.

Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land.
Now they can take back the exceptions and waivers.

State Department to senate: You can only look at Benghazi documents when you’re not here.
No longer have to be transparent and open.

This is the start of a closed totalitarian government. You asked for it, you voted for it, bend over your getting it.

jpcpt03 on November 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM

“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H.L. Mencken

Caiwyn on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I can respect Roberts’ decision to tell us (as a nation) to take out Obamacare if we want it done so bad. We didn’t do that, so we reap what we sow.

Respect Roberts for being easily THE WORST SC Chief we’ve ever seen? Not likely. The guy needs to be committed to the funny farm, because only a lunatic could read the U.S. Constitution and not see the LIMITS intended for federal government.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Did anyone see the story about the Iranians firing a missile at one of our drones? It happened on November 1st, I think, and our transparent government covered it up.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Well, that’s exactly it… “using it wisely”. Continuing on with the Obamacare fight doesn’t meet that description. Elections have consequences, and people are about to find that out. Next election is NOT going to be about Sandra Fluke’s imagined right to tax-payer funded birth control and Big Bird. Democrats have planned well to prevent people from feeling the pain. And it’s past time they see what they’ve wrought.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 PM

I think that we’ll probably wind up doing Smpson-Bowles. Hopefully, we can prune some the excesses of Obamacare. In the interim, we can start crafting a plan to privatize health care/ health insurance for 2017. Repealing Obamacare isn’t going to happen. So, we have to figure out a way to undo it piecemeal.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Your argument was absurd to begin with; I didn’t reduce it to absurdity. You’re just like the rest of your party: lip service; say one thing, but do another, and then mock the ones who actually stand for the principles you only pay lip service to.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Okay. You’re right: Paul is a success, and Obamacare is not the law of the land. You win.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:37 PM

BUT Justice Roberts also KNEW that ANY “tax” HAS to originate from the House of Representatives, or else it is “unconstitutional!” PART of Obamacare is “unconstituional”—-the “mandate” part, because SCOTUS declared it A TAX!!! And remember: the House of Representatives weren’t allowed to “vote” on ANY PART of Obamacare—including the TAX! (A “tax” can NEVER “originate” in the Senate; ALL taxes have to come from the House of Representatives—or else our Constitution has been IGNORED, yet again—which is grounds for Impeachment, should the House want to do that; and again Impeachment CAN ONLY COME FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES—it NEVER goes to the Senate for a “vote.”)

DixT on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

YES! Thank you!
At the very least, this travesty of a bill should be re-introduced and gone over(This time they can READ it!!!) and REVISED! And we should demand that the House do this and the Republicans in the House not get squishy about it.

I can’t believe that the fact that this has been declared a tax, yet did not originate in the House, hasn’t been brought up by Republicans, who should themselves be demanding that it MUST go back to the House to review and vote on it.

Sterling Holobyte on November 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Did anyone see the story about the Iranians firing a missile at one of our drones? It happened on November 1st, I think, and our transparent government covered it up.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

I think that the likelihood of a war in the Middle East increased dramatically as a result of this last election. People are in for a rude awakening.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Uh, Lincoln was a Whig, and Lincoln had no desire to end slavery.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM

As were many contempories of the day. Anti-slavery gave rise to the GOP and Lincoln joined it. He opposed slavery but wasn’t sure how to end it. The desire was always there, the question being how. Books like Uncle Tom’s Cabin forced the issue to be solved by war if necessary.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 12:44 PM

The GOP should immediately pull this man from his position and install Ron Paul; someone who understands that the Constitution is the Law of the Land!

dom89031 on November 9, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Let the Federales of either party fail and focus on the states.

The next candidate with a hope of winning will be a common sense Federalist who can sell it as a populist to split the minorities.

The thing is the Marxists have control of the education system, the culture and the media which means they distort history and information to retain power.

The Churches are divided and are undermined as community structures that bind and teach.

It’s now more common to have bastards then it is to marry and have children.

It’s now more common to insist Government raise children.

The obvious results of secularization and sectarianism.

Preach the 10th amendment and let DC fail.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Did anyone see the story about the Iranians firing a missile at one of our drones? It happened on November 1st, I think, and our transparent government covered it up.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Why do you believe it? Your government lies to you constantly.

Your government lies to you about Fast and Furious.

Your government lies to you about Libya and protests due to a video.

Your government lies to you about a collapsing economy that needed TARP to save it.

Your government lies to you about WMD.

Your government lies to you about not killing civilians (and then wikileaks exposed the coverup).

Your government lies to you about unemployment.

Your government lies to you about inflation.

Your government lies to you about the Federal Reserve.

Your government lies to you about everything.

Why would you believe this?

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Technically, Communism can RULE the land, but it can never be the “law” of the land.

logis on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

As were many contempories of the day. Anti-slavery gave rise to the GOP and Lincoln joined it. He opposed slavery but wasn’t sure how to end it. The desire was always there, the question being how. Books like Uncle Tom’s Cabin forced the issue to be solved by war if necessary.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Lincoln never opposed slavery. Never. Lincoln never desired to end slavery. Never.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Did anyone see the story about the Iranians firing a missile at one of our drones? It happened on November 1st, I think, and our transparent government covered it up.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Nope. CNN covered it up. According to Beck this morning, CNN had the story a week ago and decided it might affect the election so they held it.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Then become a Democrat since they win elections.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:29 PM

See Boehner, Christie, Rice, et al.

ElectricPhase on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 PM

After the American Civil War, the federal government increased greatly in influence on everyday life and in size relative to the state governments.

Some Federalists define federalism as centralizing and expanding the federal government.

Some Federalists define federalism as limiting and de-centralizing federal government.

It’s not just America…This is happening in the EU and elsewhere.

10th Amendment is the proper argument & after for more years of failure it will be the pressing issue anyway.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Lincoln never opposed slavery. Never. Lincoln never desired to end slavery. Never.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Keep telling yourself that, Neo-Confederate loon. Maybe someday it’ll actually be true.

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Why would you believe this?

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Calm down. I’m just saying it’s a news report that’s out there right now. But I wonder – why would they lie about one of our drones being attacked back on November 1st?

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:02 PM

I can’t imagine that you didn’t understand that Romney’s defeat means that ObamaCare will be implemented.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Oh I understood very well. If anything, ObamneyCare is but one symptom of the malaise that is statism. There are plenty of other issues either already the “law of the land” or about to be implemented by statist of both parties slow-cooking us froggies.

Sometimes children have to burn their hand to understand fire is dangerous. Far too many Americans don’t understand that socialism always sound good in practice but in reality collaspes as so as they run out of other people’s money.

Let the pain begin now so we can get it over sooner. Postponing the inevitable crash via “smarter managing” as Mittness intends to do only lengthens the recovery process.

My school-age kids understand very well that Oboobi threatens their future. But they also understand that Mittness also threatens their future as well. I’m blessed in that I probably can handle the fiscal impact on myself while still raising them and hopefully things turn around before they start to build their own lives. Having Mittness slow the rate of deline only ensures that they will flounder at the time that they should be building their career and families. If that makes me selfish regarding the youth now hitting the marketplace, so be it. We have only the moderates and RINOs to blame for bring us to this point.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
And we are way overdue for refreshment, distatesful as the process must be.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Starlink on November 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Palin is not the political answer.

Her time of influence on the national level is over because she is just another pundit owned by the media.

Se will be marginalized to FB unless she goes to Talk Radio which I doubt.

The sooner her followers realize that the sooner we can get to work and stop eating our young.

I think we ought to focus on the governors.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM

You need to rethink what a RINO is. You and your party have nominated Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Reagan, Ford, etc. And let’s not even get into Senators.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Agreed. ‘RINO’ means nothing anymore – those being referred to as ‘RINO’ are actually the GOP norm now. Actually, it would be more descriptive to call a conservative who votes Republican a ‘RINO’, because ‘Republican’ and ‘GOP’ are really just now, sort of, ‘conservative in name only’, not in reality.

‘CINO’ doesn’t work well though; will have to coin a new phrase.

Midas on November 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

As far as Obamacare, being a doctor trial lawyer has been too profitable for too long

ardenenoch on November 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Fixed it for you.

Trial lawyers make so much money that a family of ambulance chasers (the Bernsteins) are the primary sponsor of 162 Detroit Tigers telecasts.

bw222 on November 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Let the pain begin now so we can get it over sooner. Postponing the inevitable crash via “smarter managing” as Mittness intends to do only lengthens the recovery process.

My school-age kids understand very well that Oboobi threatens their future. But they also understand that Mittness also threatens their future as well.

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
And we are way overdue for refreshment, distatesful as the process must be.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 1:05 PM

You are still campaigning against Romney. It’s over, forget him.

If you want to use violence, look somewhere else. I for my part am not willing to refresh the tree of liberty with anybody’s blood. I guess I’m not alone.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Heh, guess what issue Rush is addressing? He’s talking about giving Obama everything he wants.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

I agree with him and all the posters that say let it crash. They wanted the bennies and the liberalism. Here it is. Enjoy.

Why should we keep trying to save stupid people from themselves? So they learn how to NOT think?

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

So, crying man, how is it that the election of 1994 which brought the GOP to power in the House for the first time in forty years and which many thought was a reaction to HillaryCare did not end that argument? The Dems boded their time and then brought it up again the first chance they got.

Oh, and John Roberts: FU!

Odysseus on November 9, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Lincoln never opposed slavery. Never. Lincoln never desired to end slavery. Never.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Just because you claim it doesn’t make it so. Citation? Assertions from Batshit crazy Ron Paul will not suffice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)

http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/inside.asp?ID=9&subjectID=2
Here is where Lincoln went from a 10th Amendment position of what’s done is done, yet adamant that slavery not spread to the awakening that slavery needed to be abolished. As I alluded to, Uncle Tom further convinced him that it needed to be abolished. So it was an evolving process — not to be conflated with the eveolution of Obbobie/Mittness. Herein, mention is made of a one-issue party (free-soil) that is akin to Ron Paul’s party.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

So Obamacare is the law of the land and the whole matter is settled, according to Boehner.

Hasn’t he been listening to the news today about the unemployment bomb currently detonating BECAUSE of Obamacare?

So from now on, small businesses are going to be crippled and stopped from growing beyond 50 employees because of a badly thought out law that was rammed down the throats of Americans against the will of the majority?

That’s the official policy of the Republican Party, is it?

Boehner should be on the news today railing against Obamacare- against the damaged it’s doing to the economy, against the damage it’s doing to small businesses, against the damage it’s doing to the lives of people who are now unemployed- not because there’s no work for them, but because Obamacare means it’s economically impossible to keep them employed.

Hundreds and thousands of people are being put out of work because of Obamacare. Republicans should be making this the number one issue they talk about.

I can guarantee that if positions were reversed and this was an interview with a Harry Reid about a new GOP president, he would be telling the press that he was going to fight and obstruct him every step of the way and do everything he could to subvert his policies.

Grow a spine GOP- and get out there and fight. Can Boehner do anything constructive in Congress about Obamacare today? No. Can he make a huge fuss about it and go on every TV show he can to explain to the public at large that the lay-offs we’re seeing now are a direct result of Obamacare? That things won’t get any better until it is repealed and replaced? YES!

Jeez, it’s no wonder the GOP loses so much. They don’t seem to understand politics.

Jay Mac on November 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

A status quo R thread defending the Spelunker of the House. Whodathunkit?

Boehner controls the purse. Not once these past two years did he lead an effort to defund obamacare, he just passed CR after CR after CR with obamacare funding intact. Yes, he passed legislation in the House to repeal obamacare but he knew it was a symbolic effort since Reid controlled the Senate and the obamanation the WH. He took no concrete steps, that I’m aware of, to stop obamacare from being funded and fully implemented.

And now, he wants to put obamacare behind him and focus on capitulating on enforcing our laws on immigration. Whodathunkit?…

Gohawgs on November 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

You are still campaigning against Romney. It’s over, forget him.

If you want to use violence, look somewhere else. I for my part am not willing to refresh the tree of liberty with anybody’s blood. I guess I’m not alone.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM

It’s not Mittness I’m campaigning against. Rather the GOPe. If you are dissatisfied with the leadership, then maybe you need to think about leaving the GOP, otherwise, you have nothing to cry about since the GOPe will not ever listen to you. You are their willing, obedient pawn, ever ready to hold your nose and pull it once more for them again.

As for violence, you are indeed not alone, just as a third of the colonials refused to take a side in the struggle against King George. Heck, re-read the declaration of indepences and apply it to the various offences that Oboobi, Democrats, even what RINOs have committed against we the people. If you are unmoved by the cited complaints, then by all means continue to hang with the GOP as they obviously represent you.

Depending on the circumstance, this blood we speak of can be literal or metaphorical. If conservatives left the GOP en masse, it will be ‘bloody’ as a figure of speech. OTOH, neither are the ‘Preppers’ alone, nor willing to allow themselves to be robbed sensless by moochers and looters.

This is what we’ve come to that the moochers have parity with the working stiffs. And you have to deal with it in the way that seems best to you. But we are way beyond the point of no return regarding the crash and the reset that will follow.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM

with the activist Republican base.

What a nice phrase…

Gohawgs on November 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Shut it down. Don’t vote for a debt limit increase and let all the tax rates expire. Say you will talk when Reid comes up with a budget that doesn’t require an increase.

cptacek on November 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

So, has anybody stepped up yet to challenge Boehner for the speaker’s chair? If Paul Ryan doesn’t want it, how about Michelle Bachmann?

TMOverbeck on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

“Obamacare is the law of the land.”

How about “America is now a socialist shithole and we’re all slaves?”

CrustyB on November 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I can’t believe that the fact that this has been declared a tax, yet did not originate in the House, hasn’t been brought up by Republicans, who should themselves be demanding that it MUST go back to the House to review and vote on it.

Sterling Holobyte on November 9, 2012 at 12:40 PM

The Pacific Legal Institute filed a lawsuit on September 1 regarding origination – Just where it goes and how successful it ends up being, we’ll see.

JFS61 on November 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM

OT: Petraeus Resigns — hmmm…

affenhauer on November 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Here is where Lincoln went from a 10th Amendment position of what’s done is done, yet adamant that slavery not spread to the awakening that slavery needed to be abolished. As I alluded to, Uncle Tom further convinced him that it needed to be abolished. So it was an evolving process — not to be conflated with the eveolution of Obbobie/Mittness. Herein, mention is made of a one-issue party (free-soil) that is akin to Ron Paul’s party.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Lincoln was opposed to the spread of slavery because he wanted white jobs protected; he wanted to ensure more Republican support with whites.

Lincoln was never a 10th amendment supporter. If he were, he wouldn’t have waged war against states seeking to leave the Union. No, his reason for murdering thousands of citizens was to preserve the union. His Gettysburg Address is laughable since the sovereign citizens of the states seeking to leave the union did so because they wanted a government of, by, and for the people. That was their right. Lincoln crushed states rights.

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Dante on November 9, 2012 at 3:05 PM

“While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the n.egroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of n.egroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Abraham Lincoln, 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Thanks for posting this, Ed.

Boehner’s right. It’s done. That’s why, for the first time in my life, I voted straight R. Not enough people did that. The Obamacare battle is over. We lost. There is nothing that anyone can do without the Senate Democrats and Obama truning on the bill and repealing it. That won’t happen.

The Republicans can try to defund as much of it as possible with the budgetary process, but it would be wise to plan for a full enactment.

What could happen if Boehner took the position of obstructing everythin Obama and the Democrats proposed?

Would Obama start to legislate by executive orders? In order to save the economy, of course. Raise the debt ceiling by executive order? Declare martial law if unrest broke out?

Would anyone stop him?

Has anyone stopped him yet?

Boehner needs to pick the battles where a united Republican front can stop the progression of socialism through our country. Wasting what little political capital the Republican party has on futile battles will accelerate the decline or the United States, not hinder it. The Republicans need to block the appointment of Supreme Court Justices that will further destroy our Consitution and rights. they need to fight new legislation that attacks our rights. They need to balance the budget and reduce the deficit. They need to grow the economy and create an environment that will foster job creation (perhpas some type of exemption from Obamacare for the first five years after a new position is created.

The Obamacare battle is lost. Someday Americans will realize what they did. Today is not they day. They will be sorry. It will be too late. We must move on. Consider alternatives that might be less damaging to the economy. Perhaps government single payer would be less onerous for business. Everyone gets the same insurance, provided through the government-just like England. The very wealthy can get private insurance and care-just like England. But not Congress or the President. They have to get single payer. Let those who supported Obamacare reap what they sowed.

talkingpoints on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

talkingpoints on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Read page 2 of this thread.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

We had only two ways to stop ObamaCare. Either we needed a new President with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress, or veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of Congress. Voters didn’t provide John Boehner with either option.

That’s right. So F ‘em. Let Amerika burn.

woodNfish on November 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

The Obamacare battle is lost.

talkingpoints on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

It certainly is if we skulk away with our tails between our legs.

Me, I am all for doing something. Starting with contacting our government officials and telling them to stand strong on opposition to Obamacare, and referring them to some of the same provisions that Dante and others have been bringing up like nullification AND the fact that this whole bill is unconstitutional because it was changed to a tax but did not start in the House Of Representatives as tax bills must do.

If the U.S. is going to burn, we should be exploring every option before that has to happen, because that helps nobody.

Sterling Holobyte on November 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Step Down, John!

Another Drew on November 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Dang, Bradky is here? Who mentioned Palin?

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 12:11 PM

If you look in the mirror and say “Sarah Palin” three times in a row, BrattyK shows up.

Laura in Maryland on November 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Ah Laura – another Peggy Noonan wannabe weighs in with her wisdom. Stick to the conspiracy theories, k?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

If you look in the mirror and say “Sarah Palin” three times in a row, BrattyK shows up.

Laura in Maryland on November 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Ah Laura – another Peggy Noonan wannabe weighs in with her wisdom. Stick to the conspiracy theories, k?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

My God…it does work. You said the name Palin and he shows up?

Spooky!

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Nice to know you have longed for my wisdom and comments during my sabbatical.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Nice to know you have longed for my wisdom and comments during my sabbatical.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I said that name again didn’t I?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Why yes you did say Bradky again. Feels good doesn’t it?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Why is Boehner still in office? Why hasn’t he resigned after the shameful defeat?

promachus on November 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM

The Obamacare battle is lost.

talkingpoints on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Battles are lost when one side leaves, quits and walks off the field.
So… what do you think would happen if we didn’t quit? What do you think would’ve happened if Bohner had something like “ObamaCare may one day be the law of the land.. but I will still continue to fight for American freedom! I reject this law! It was shoved down our throats by the Democrat party and I reject it! We will fight it every way possible!”

What if he had said something like that? What if he would have talked about what some states ore doing? What if he had talked about a future President giving waivers to all 50 states? What if he had talked like he didn’t give a rats rear end what the Supreme Court said or that Obama won! What if he had talked like there is always a possibility to end any bad law. Always a way to fix mistakes and it will ultimately be up to the American people and those willing to fight for what is right.” What if he had spoken words like that? But no.. he’s old, tired and comfortable and hasn’t got a blasted passionate bone in his body and we sit here and listen to his vomit and pretend it really is all over.

It is never over. Never! Never! Never!
Bohner is and has been a part of the problem from the beginning! Playing golf with the President in those ridiculous white shorts of his and then raising the debt ceiling and bringing us to this fiscal cliff in the first place! This whole thing.. sequestration.. came from the House Republicans! If it didn’t come from them they gave in to the Democrats who demanded it!

Bohner is old, tired and worthless. He’s warming his chair! He is not a leader! He is a joke and he and those like him are the reason we are losing! He doesn’t have the fire if he ever did!

What a freaking shame! Such a great nation! So many have sacrificed so much and for what? Marines sacrificed their lives to save a few people from barbarians in Libya and we’ve got Republicans who won’t risk being called extremist to save the nation from barbarians at home! Marines faced guns and machetes and God knows what else to save just a few! What do we face? Being called names!

It’s all just cliche to people anymore. Quotes from our founders! Our constitution! Words like perseverance! It’s all just a cliche!

But not to me!

JellyToast on November 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM

I don’t get you way of thinking. When you didn’t vote for Romney you knew that he would likely lose and ObamaCare would be the law of the land. You want America to crash. It was your decision. You got what you wanted. Why are you complaining about the GOP now?

I can’t imagine that you didn’t understand that Romney’s defeat means that ObamaCare will be implemented.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Obamacare isn’t the law of the land. Read the thread, especially page 2.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Why. You’re going to talke your big anarchist toy guns and go out and fight the govt on this?? :)

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Why bother fighting Obama and his policies. Let him have enough rope to send the country and economy into a total tailspin.

All the Republicans have to do is to make sure the Democrats OWN the next four years. Republicans just need to come out looking like the good guys.

Sparky5253 on November 9, 2012 at 8:46 PM

As before, there is(was) bipartisan support for killing the IPAB in the house. There’s the issue of funding the exchanges. How about a bill repealing the tax on medical equipment manufacturers (which was a sure sign as any that senior care is indeed going to be rationed, as young people don’t get many knee or hip replacements, much less pacemakers, so who cares if they go out of business, right)? There are things that can be done, yes mostly holding actions, some symbolic, but there are things none the less. Who knows, maybe the origination lawsuit will prevail (in theory it should, but with this court, I wouldn’t hold my breath). Who knows, it might if (and when) Roberts begins to see the damage he has inflicted.

There are cards to be played – Say, if the president wants to hike taxes on the rich, okay – But you have to give up your IPAB death panel, etc. Even if we don’t prevail, you still must fight the good fight, as for all you know, you just might prevail in the end. You’re certainly not going to if you surrender.

JFS61 on November 9, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Step down, Boehner. If Scott Walker doesn’t want your job, give it to Jan Brewer.

Kyle_Reese on November 10, 2012 at 12:03 AM

If Boehner cared about the country, he would resign.

AshleyTKing on November 10, 2012 at 1:27 AM

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