Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land

posted at 8:51 am on November 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

John Boehner has a tough job over the next few weeks — and two years — walking a tightrope between getting acute problems solved while maintaining his credibility with the activist Republican base.  He has the fiscal cliff to resolve without caving on tax increases, investigations to pursue, and more budget negotiations that will at some point require serious entitlement reform.  With all of that on his plate, Boehner doesn’t have much time for fantasy, especially the fantasy that ObamaCare can be repealed.  Boehner told ABC News that the ACA is now “the law of the land,” but that he wants to address parts of it within the context of budget negotiations:

Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

Still, there are some parts of the law, he said, that should be on the table as lawmakers work toward a balanced budget.

My friend at Poor Richard’s News is outraged:

Did Democrats roll over and compromise their principles when George W. Bush won re-election?  No, they did not.  They dug in, they hardened their opposition, and they cleaned our clocks in the last two Presidential elections.  Now is not the time to go all mushy.  Now is is the time to fight harder than ever.

Now, I understand that Bohner’s position may be a tactical one.  Practically speaking, with a re-elected Obama and a Democrat majority still in the Senate, a bill to repeal would get no where.  However, that doesn’t mean that every House and Senate Republican’s goal shouldn’t be to pull this weed up from its roots.  Bohner must clarify his position.  This election was not a mandate to keep Obamacare, and if he expects to be the leader of the House Republicans, he needs to be the leading voice of opposition to it. It doesn’t matter how it happens, a single bill or a chipping away at it gradually.  Obamacare must go.

This isn’t a tactical decision.  It’s reality.  The ACA is not a static law; most of its provisions will go into effect in the next two years, and after that repeal will be immensely difficult, thanks to its transformational nature in relation to the insurance and health-provider industries.  It’s going to be too late to “pull this weed up by its roots” by 2017, the next possible spot on the calendar to do so.  By then, we will have to offer a second round of transformation that starts in the context of ObamaCare., and hope we have a Republican President and Republican majorities to even get that process under way.

We had only two ways to stop ObamaCare.  Either we needed a new President with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress, or veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.  Voters didn’t provide John Boehner with either option.  When we say that elections have consequences, this is exactly what we mean.

Back to the tightrope.  Boehner did draw a line in the sand on tax rates, while leaving open the possibility of increasing revenues through tax reform — which has been the Republican position for almost two years:

 ”Raising tax rates is unacceptable,” Boehner, R-Ohio, said in his first broadcast interview since the election Tuesday.

“Frankly, it couldn’t even pass the House. I’m not sure it could pass the Senate.”

That stance could set up a real showdown with the White House given that the president has said he would veto any deal that does not allow tax cuts for the rich to expire. But the speaker said that Republicans would put new tax revenue on the table as leaders work toward a deal.

If I had to guess, both Boehner and Obama will want to go back to the deal that Obama rejected in August 2011, which would still work, and would have fewer political consequences in the wake of the election.  That could get done quickly and would go a long way to bolstering investor confidence that the next four years will be a little more responsible in Washington than the last eighteen months.


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Can you match that? Then get the hell out of our way, freaking RINO.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

STFU. You can enjoy your little virtual fantasy world in which your childish tough talk makes a difference. Boehner has to deal with the real world and real-world problems. It was a minor miracle that the Republican conference held together the way that it did over the last four years; it is going to be even tougher to duplicate the feat.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Bradkly, who advocates for increased taxes on energy, healthcare, and everything under the sun, regardless of the suffering it imposes on Americans, is unpatriotic.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Nice try but unless you are able to show previous posts in which I support those things your post is just the rambling of an adolescent.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

We don’t need nullification if the House Republicans simply refuse to pass any bills funding this thing.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM

If? If??? Why would you pin any hope on a conditional? Why would you want to continue to rely on government to fix anything?

We do need nullification. It is the ONLY guarantee against Obamacare.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

It’s not Roberts’ fault. It’s the voters’ fault for electing (and re-electing) this leftist creep.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

It’s definitely Roberts fault. The majority of people do not support obamacare. It is a tax and illegal. Roberts claiming otherwise, is BS.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

There’s an organization for that compassion and big government solutions…its called the Democratic Party.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM

And they are winning.

Either conservatives adapt in a smart way or it’s over for a very long time.

Choose the smart battles.

Otherwise adapt to the new reality that demographics across all levels favors the sectarian commies.

Obama owns the media. Obama owns the narrative. Obama owns the US Supreme Court. Obama owns the Fed.

We’ll have to work at the local and state level to convert the youth…immigrants…and minorities.

The church denominations will have to work together to preserve religious liberty or they are done in this country as independent operations and will become operating arms of the Marxists through capitulation to survive.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

We do need nullification. It is the ONLY guarantee against Obamacare.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

There are only two things certain in life: death and taxes. The latter despite your incessant whining, I might add.

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Indeed. When somebody like Alan Grayson or Joe Biden says something stupid, it’s ignored. When a conservative says something stupid it becomes national news – and the entire movement is tarred with that brush.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM

The double standard really isn’t fair… There’s no sense in complaining about it…

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I don’t blame John Boehner for this mess. I blame John Roberts, the nutjob who made it possible.

Let’s not forget that Obama and the socialist Dems in Congress planned the pain for 2014. So… let ‘em feel the PAIN. The only thing that makes this loss bearable for me, and it’s damned small comfort, is seeing the shocked look on liberal faces as they’re ignominiously hoisted on their own petard.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 10:57 AM

You should blame Bush as well for nominating Roberts. This is what voting for and electing Republicans get you.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

This whole election has been surreal. In exit polls, people overwhelmingly said they were against raising taxes to reduce the deficit, and that they preferred Less government to More government. And who did they reelect? The Marxist community agitator from the Southside of Chicago.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Nice try but unless you are able to show previous posts in which I support those things your post is just the rambling of an adolescent.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

What’s adolescent is your continual trolling of this place. Who do you think you are fooling?

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

It’s over…but

The New World War Z trailer is out

tomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The double standard really isn’t fair… There’s no sense in complaining about it…

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

I feel like complaining today. My country is going down the tubes.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Don’t you have a homecoming game to get ready for?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Either conservatives adapt in a smart way or it’s over for a very long time.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Your advice is to become Democrats so that we can defeat the Democrats.

Why not just vote Democrat and save ourselves the bother of all that running around?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

I think you have been partaking of the newly legalized substance in your state…

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Even if I were, it doesn’t change my view. Insult me all you wish.

(Along those lines, I did vote to pass Amendment 64. The arguments used against marijuana legalization could easily be adapted to argue for alcohol prohibition, and in fact were.)

I do think we need to revisit nullification. I know that has been a dead letter for a long time, as has the P&I clause in the 14th Amendment–but it doesn’t mean that there is no validity to those arguments, or that there shouldn’t be.

Hey, if the Socialist Democrats get to do their fundamental transformations and push them on us, why don’t we get to try back?

Andy in Colorado on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

It’s definitely Roberts fault. The majority of people do not support obamacare. It is a tax and illegal. Roberts claiming otherwise, is BS.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Humbug. If the people were so vexed by Obamacare, then why did they re-elect Obama. At the end of the day, if a majority of the people want to live as wards of the state, then we, as a Nation, are very much screwed. Whining about the Constitution won’t change that fact. We need to figure out how to win some elections if we want to preserve our Constitution.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

It’s not Roberts’ fault. It’s the voters’ fault for electing (and re-electing) this leftist creep.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

How is it not Roberts’ fault??? HE is the guy who’s supposed to be minding the integrity of our Constitution. That’s his JOB! This thing wasn’t written to be difficult to analyze. It was written so that the common man could easily understand it. But somehow, Roberts manages to find federal taxing power to enforce our behavior and purchasing choices! He’s insane.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Resign, Boehner – right f-ing now.

Midas on November 9, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Don’t you have a homecoming game to get ready for?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Don’t you have an obama victory party to attend? Go ahead – be a total shite and troll HA. It’s all you ever do.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM

It’s not Roberts’ fault. It’s the voters’ fault for electing (and re-electing) this leftist creep.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

How is it not Roberts’ fault??? HE is the guy who’s supposed to be minding the integrity of our Constitution. That’s his JOB! This thing wasn’t written to be difficult to analyze. It was written so that the common man could easily understand it. But somehow, Roberts manages to find federal taxing power to enforce our behavior and purchasing choices! He’s insane.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Humbug. If the people were so vexed by Obamacare, then why did they re-elect Obama. At the end of the day, if a majority of the people want to live as wards of the state, then we, as a Nation, are very much screwed. Whining about the Constitution won’t change that fact. We need to figure out how to win some elections if we want to preserve our Constitution.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

I don’t mean to sound severe, but facts are facts… The Constitution only means something if the People want it to mean something.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Either conservatives adapt in a smart way or it’s over for a very long time.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM

This was the argument we heard in the primaries. This was the argument for selecting Romney. I love the stealth effort going on in the background by Republicans to suggest Romney lost because he was “too extreme” and “too conservative” and “pandered too much to the base” when he spent a good chunk of the election running against the base.

This is why I am no longer a Republican and will be changing my party registration shortly.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Humbug. If the people were so vexed by Obamacare, then why did they re-elect Obama.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Because too many people have been telling them it was a done deal. It was not and I still don’t believe it is.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM

It’s not Roberts’ fault. It’s the voters’ fault for electing (and re-electing) this leftist creep.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 10:58 AM

I think Roberts did what he did because he took so much heat over the Citizens United decision. He decided he wanted to be loved by the left and the media, and invited to some of those nice D.C. dinner parties.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

How is it not Roberts’ fault??? HE is the guy who’s supposed to be minding the integrity of our Constitution. That’s his JOB! This thing wasn’t written to be difficult to analyze. It was written so that the common man could easily understand it. But somehow, Roberts manages to find federal taxing power to enforce our behavior and purchasing choices! He’s insane.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Actually, it isn’t his job. Nowhere in the Constitution was the Supreme Court given the power of judicial review. It is another power that government seized for itself from us.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Humbug. If the people were so vexed by Obamacare, then why did they re-elect Obama.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Because no reasonable alternative was presented to them.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Your advice is to become Democrats so that we can defeat the Democrats.

Why not just vote Democrat and save ourselves the bother of all that running around?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 11:07 AM

I don’t think that’s what he was saying. I think that he’s sayng that we need to pick our battles wisely over the next couple years. Win the ones that we can win, and not get bogged down or get hurt fighting the ones that we can’t win.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

You should blame Bush as well for nominating Roberts. This is what voting for and electing Republicans get you.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Wouldn’t have to vote Republican if the Paulbot Party was in any way competitive. But it’s too busy sitting in a corner making a joke of itself, whining about pot and gay marriage rather than formulating some sort of coherent foreign policy. Too stoned, I guess.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

I don’t mean to sound severe, but facts are facts… The Constitution only means something if the People want it to mean something.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM

I wasn’t whining about the constitution – so piss off.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Because no reasonable alternative was presented to them.

Doomberg on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

With all due respect, that’s nonsense.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

I wasn’t whining about the constitution – so piss off.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

You first.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Boehner will never, ever do THAT, of course, because Obamacare is the ‘law of the land’ and its up to Republicans to figure out how to fund it. Not do the sane thing and point out that it can’t be funded no matter HOW MUCH YOU RAISE TAXES.

ajacksonian on November 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM

I could get behind your suggestion. Too bad it won’t happen. *sigh*

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

If the new House doesn’t kick John Boneless out of the Speaker’s seat, then I’ll be convinced that the GOP is sunk. We can no longer afford to be at the mercy of the go-along-to-get-along GOP establishment.

TMOverbeck on November 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Wouldn’t have to vote Republican if the Paulbot Party was in any way competitive. But it’s too busy sitting in a corner making a joke of itself, whining about pot and gay marriage rather than formulating some sort of coherent foreign policy. Too stoned, I guess.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Speaking of Ron Paul, I saw where he said we have already gone over the Fiscal Cliff. He said now it’s just a matter of how we land. I think he’s right.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM

It’s over…but

The New World War Z trailer is out

tomas on November 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM

SWEET Mother of Gaia! Off to IMDB!

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I think Roberts did what he did because he took so much heat over the Citizens United decision. He decided he wanted to be loved by the left and the media, and invited to some of those nice D.C. dinner parties.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I think Roberts did what he did because he is one of those social justice Catholics. Fine. He should send all his money to the poor and he and his wife and children should go live in some favela in Brazil.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

If conservatives wanted obamacare gone so bad, they should have gotten off the couch and voted. But millions stayed home, and obamacare is here to stay now. Let if go into effect. Let the fees and taxes kick in. I dont give a crap anymore.

Jack_Burton on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

You first.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:14 AM

You insult me and others and then blubber when you get insulted back? Typical.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I’d like to remind the Speaker that SLAVERY was also once the law of the land.

Boehner is emblematic of what is wrong with the Republican party. HE MUST BE REMOVED. It is politically dangerous, but is there a conservative House member with the stones to challenge him? If he stays, the party is gone anyway.

Paul Ryan? Michelle Bachmann?

Rixon on November 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Exactly and Boner’s counterpart, along with Mitch, in the Whig party were soon rendered old history artifacts when replaced by the GOP. Seriously, it’s high time to ditch the GOP, forget about rebuilding from within, just stand up a new party.

Better yet, the Conservative Party & the Constitution Party need to merge and begin draining conservatives from the GOP, to include elected officials currently serving. Do it now so we can put forward candidates for 2014.

While Abe Lincoln was the first GOP POTUS, he wasn’t elected in a vacuum (actually it was a 4 way run-off), as his way forward was facilitated by a small but significant cadre of GOP politicians that held office for a couple of cycles prior to 1860. And it all came to pass because people refused to accept Slavery as the law and status quo of the land. We who refuse to accept ObamneyCare need to study up on the GOP origins and do likewise. The GOP is beyond reform.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I think Roberts did what he did because he took so much heat over the Citizens United decision. He decided he wanted to be loved by the left and the media, and invited to some of those nice D.C. dinner parties.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I don’t know why he did it. His decision was very disappointing. But in the end, if the Republic fails, the blame for it lands on us all–on liberals for their utopian stupidity and on conservatives for their ineffectual resistance. It’s not just on Roberts.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM

The future of medicine in this country is grim indeed. Thanks libs.

txmomof6 on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Did anyone else post this link already? We are in for a long four years.

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

It’s a shame that the Bush GOP was too busy with their Islamic theocracy-building misadventures and expanding Medicare instead of heading this abomination off at the pass, eh?

The House holds the purse strings, and the GOP holds the House. They could just deny funding, but why would they start now? They’ve been funding it since it passed.

We need to demand they pass a bill protecting our right to buy whatever medical care we choose, and protect physicians’ right to run direct-pay practices, since the progs, who are all about “choice,” will try to ban that next.

Rae on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Bradkly, who advocates for increased taxes on energy, healthcare, and everything under the sun, regardless of the suffering it imposes on Americans, is unpatriotic.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Nice try but unless you are able to show previous posts in which I support those things your post is just the rambling of an adolescent.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Bradky, as an Obama voter you implicitly advocate increased taxes on energy, healthcare, and everything under the sun. That vote is in and of itself prima facie evidence.

either orr on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Boehner’s pink panties are to tight, they make his look like he is about to faint if a Democrat talks mean to him.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM

You insult me and others and then blubber when you get insulted back? Typical.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM

First,I didn’t insult you.

Second, I’m not blubbering (although it appears to me that you may be blubbering).

Third, you don’t know me or anything about me, so I don’t know how you can characterize anything about me as “typical”

Finally, you are a moron. There, now, I have insulted you. Continue to blubber if you please; I’m moving on with the rest of my day.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Actually, it isn’t his job. Nowhere in the Constitution was the Supreme Court given the power of judicial review. It is another power that government seized for itself from us.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Oh, please. Let’s deal with the REALITY at hand. And here in 2012, we all understood clearly that unless the Supreme Court found Obamacare unconstitutional, it would stand. We had ONE last opportunity to stop it. And libertarians who stood by and did nothing are just as culpable in it going forward as the gravy-train riders who voted to keep it. Of course, they’ll wail the loudest when the pain comes, but elections really do have consequences and IMO they deserve their fate for not even bothering to be an impediment to the socialist agenda.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:23 AM

If conservatives wanted obamacare gone so bad, they should have gotten off the couch and voted. But millions stayed home, and obamacare is here to stay now. Let if go into effect. Let the fees and taxes kick in. I dont give a crap anymore.

Jack_Burton on November 9, 2012 at 11:17 AM

THAT’S the big mystery. How could people sit home in the most important election of our lifetimes?

There’s also more and more evidence coming out of rampant fraud – in the vote counting process. Look at it this way: all they would need is to set things up in a few counties in a few key states – and they can easily steal the election. I think there’s a very good chance they stole this election. Obama and his goons have a history of doing stuff like that.

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:23 AM

It doesn’t implement is its defunded, something that’s worked pretty well for the immigration laws the public demanded for decades, that coincidentally would have saved the legal electorate from a knife in the back in this election.

Isn’t that right Mr. Speaker? Usurping the Will of the People bites like a b*tch doesn’t it?

Thanks for that knife, We knew what was coming, thanks for that.

Speakup on November 9, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Wouldn’t have to vote Republican if the Paulbot Party was in any way competitive. But it’s too busy sitting in a corner making a joke of itself, whining about pot and gay marriage rather than formulating some sort of coherent foreign policy. Too stoned, I guess.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Competitive? You’ve nominated five people in the past 20 years for the presidency, and only one of them has won. You call that competitive?

Oh, please. Let’s deal with the REALITY at hand. And here in 2012, we all understood clearly that unless the Supreme Court found Obamacare unconstitutional, it would stand. We had ONE last opportunity to stop it. And libertarians who stood by and did nothing are just as culpable in it going forward as the gravy-train riders who voted to keep it. Of course, they’ll wail the loudest when the pain comes, but elections really do have consequences and IMO they deserve their fate for not even bothering to be an impediment to the socialist agenda.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I am discussing reality, so why are you denying reality?

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Holy Shiznatch! That is one awesome trailer. Holy ************!!!

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

STFU. You can enjoy your little virtual fantasy world in which your childish tough talk makes a difference. Boehner has to deal with the real world and real-world problems. It was a minor miracle that the Republican conference held together the way that it did over the last four years; it is going to be even tougher to duplicate the feat.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Make me. You so remind me of the Whigs that ran around telling Lincoln and his band of GOPers to STFU and accept slavery as the law of the land – the only thing of importance being to keep the Whigs in power. Good luck with that lost cause and you know it.

You can’t even defend Boner, hence the histronics.

You’re sore because true to my word, I did not vote for Mittness. Charmed by his ernestness, yet unconvinced of his conservative bonafides. And I wasn’t alone. That’s what torks you quislings.

Better for this land to crash now than to crash later & harder. The Demoncrats deserve having this happen on their watch, with the GOP aiding and abetting our downfall. Time to relegate the GOP to the ashheap of history and back a party that won’t accept ObamneyCare as the law of the land.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Did anyone else post this link already? We are in for a long four years.

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Wow. The leftists certainly are sore winners.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Actually, it isn’t his job. Nowhere in the Constitution was the Supreme Court given the power of judicial review. It is another power that government seized for itself from us.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I think Marbury vs. Madison has been good case law for a pretty long time.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM

@Dante, Bishop, Dextrous

I have an open mind when it comes to the situation. Talking about nullification, it seems the Supreme Court has already ruled it out in 1950. I dont think this Court after the decision on ACA would entertain it.

Spinstra on November 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Obamacare is just like electicty to our homes, when you can not pay for the juice they pull the meter.

When it comes to paying the cost of Obamacare sooner or later the bill will get to high and the meter will get pulled.

We own the money supply. We are work. Work creates wealth aka money, money gets taxed, therefore at some point the work will not carry the load. Much like over loading the wires in our homes, even before the power company shows up and shuts it off,, the fuses start to blow.

We are the fuses and we are about to blow.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM

First,I didn’t insult you.

[snip rest of blubbering]

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Now, you are lying. Have a miserable day.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I think Roberts did what he did because he took so much heat over the Citizens United decision. He decided he wanted to be loved by the left and the media, and invited to some of those nice D.C. dinner parties.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:12 AM

That’s as good an explanation as any. His decision was a gibbering mess. And here we are… at the mercy of lunatics and him Chief among them. Boehner had nothing to do with that. Republicans stood the line on Obamacare. They fought it every single step of the way. But now it’s over. They have no mandate from the people to fight on thanks to the lack of voter turnout for Romney. That sucks for those of us who did, but it is what it is.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Boehner just held a press conference: “This is an opportunity for the president to lead.” Is he serious? Obama doesn’t lead – he poses.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:33 AM

We need to demand they pass a bill protecting our right to buy whatever medical care we choose, and protect physicians’ right to run direct-pay practices, since the progs, who are all about “choice,” will try to ban that next.

Rae on November 9, 2012 at 11:20 AM

The opposite is already in Obamacare. You cannot pay for medical care out of your own pocket.

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 11:33 AM

More resistance and obstructionism from you tactical geniuses, and in the next election the House will fall to the Democrats also. Voters have zero patience for the no-compromise game and failure of leaders to make progress by working together.
The people have spoken by 322 electoral votes and there’s no mandate to undo Obama’s programs.

bayam on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Stop sermonizing, you pompous hypocrite. The left screeched and spit whenever Bush opened his mouth.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Make me. You so remind me of the Whigs that ran around telling Lincoln and his band of GOPers to STFU and accept slavery as the law of the land – the only thing of importance being to keep the Whigs in power. Good luck with that lost cause and you know it.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Uh, Lincoln was a Whig, and Lincoln had no desire to end slavery.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Me, I got a short fuse.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM

@Dante, Bishop, Dextrous

I have an open mind when it comes to the situation. Talking about nullification, it seems the Supreme Court has already ruled it out in 1950. I dont think this Court after the decision on ACA would entertain it.

Spinstra on November 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I strongly urge you to read this: Link

and this: Link

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM

More resistance and obstructionism from you tactical geniuses

bayam on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I will resist and obstruct tyranny every chance I get.

(Monica Crowley on Fox – she’s got nice legs)

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Make me. You so remind me of the Whigs that ran around telling Lincoln and his band of GOPers to STFU and accept slavery as the law of the land – the only thing of importance being to keep the Whigs in power. Good luck with that lost cause and you know it.

You can’t even defend Boner, hence the histronics.

You’re sore because true to my word, I did not vote for Mittness. Charmed by his ernestness, yet unconvinced of his conservative bonafides. And I wasn’t alone. That’s what torks you quislings.

Better for this land to crash now than to crash later & harder. The Demoncrats deserve having this happen on their watch, with the GOP aiding and abetting our downfall. Time to relegate the GOP to the ashheap of history and back a party that won’t accept ObamneyCare as the law of the land.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I don’t need to defend Boehner from people like you. You clearly can’t be persuaded by facts or reason, and you flatter yourself by characterizing your extremism as principle. Whatever. I hope that you find great consolation in standing by your “principles”. I trust that you’ll forgive me (and the rest of us) if we aren’t terribly impressed or share your feeling of consolation by so-called “principled stand”.

ghostwriter on November 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Competitive? You’ve nominated five people in the past 20 years for the presidency, and only one of them has won. You call that competitive?

I am discussing reality, so why are you denying reality?

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:25 AM

And what was Gary Johnson’s vote share again??? There some “reality” for ya.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I think Marbury vs. Madison has been good case law for a pretty long time.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM

You must have missed this part: [Judicial review] is another power that government seized for itself from us.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Bayam is a circuit breaking load of ohms.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

If Boehner and the Republicans are smart, they should play on one word while dealing with the President in the Second Term: Legacy.

Scopper on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I will resist and obstruct tyranny every chance I get.

(Monica Crowley on Fox – she’s got nice legs)

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Except when you call Marbury v. Madison good case law.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

More resistance and obstructionism from you tactical geniuses, and in the next election the House will fall to the Democrats also. Voters have zero patience for the no-compromise game and failure of leaders to make progress by working together.
The people have spoken by 322 electoral votes and there’s no mandate to undo Obama’s programs.

bayam on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I don’t think you understand why the Founders created this government the way they did.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 11:39 AM

One way to fix the RNC and the Republican leadership current, buy them some loose fitting black bikini panties so they can just tease the commie Democrats but never put out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Except when you call Marbury v. Madison good case law.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Well, it became law in like 1789. Kind of hard to obstruct it now.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Here is an alternative Boehner should loudly push:

You do not affect the wealthy who voted for Obama by going after wages. People are not rich because of their wages. Hopefully, people are paid high wages because they are productive and their productivity benefits us all. Instead, go after investment income but not in such a way as to hurt businesses. Businesses, other than medical device manufacturers, only pay taxes when they make profits and only make profits if they are able to pass their expenses, including taxes, to their customers.

Allow businesses to deduct dividends paid as an expense. One result of this might be to encourage businesses that are currently holding onto foreign earnings in order to avoid double taxation to disperse these to their shareholders. Since the dividends would no longer be taxed twice, tax dividend income as ordinary income. This would have an immediate effect on the 1% and little or no effect on the rest of us. You would no longer see the truly wealthy paying barely 15% of their income in taxes. Warren Buffet would no longer be taxed less than his secretary. I think this passes the “fairness” test.

Laurence on November 9, 2012 at 10:50 AM

I agree. The democratics and the liberal media have bloodied us for decades as ‘the party of the rich’ when little Bammie took significant majorities of the demographics you could call ‘rich’.

Our position has always been ‘low taxes for all’, and democratics’ position ‘low taxes for all except the rich’. The liberal media subtracts one position from the other and declares us the ‘low taxes for the rich party’.

If little Bammie ran on ANYTHING, it was ‘f the rich’. Let’s let him f the rich. Two numbers, -the number defining the top bracket and the % of the income tax rate in that bracket, -let the democratics fill in that box. Let’s engage hard on overall reform like getting rid of the Hollywood subsidies for example, but give the dems those two numbers.

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 11:41 AM

I blame that dirt bag John Roberts. Mr. Uber Catholic went all social justice on us and put it above doing his job and the US Constitution.

Blake on November 9, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Vatican II ended in 1965.

Justice Kennedy – age 76

Justice Scalia – age 76

These are Pre-Vatican II aged justices.

Post Vatican II justices

Thomas – age 64
Alito – age 62
Sotomayor – age 58
Roberts – age 57

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Only reason the commie Democrats show up with the compromise red lipstick on,, is that the RNC and R leadership has been putting out in the past and the commie Democrats are just coming back for more.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I had hope for Boehner. . . until he cried.

totherightofthem on November 9, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Just say no.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Wow, I think our economy is already starting to crash. Anyone seen the list of all the companies who laying people off?

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Seriously, it’s high time to ditch the GOP, forget about rebuilding from within, just stand up a new party.

Better yet, the Conservative Party & the Constitution Party need to merge and begin draining conservatives from the GOP, to include elected officials currently serving. Do it now so we can put forward candidates for 2014.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM

If you want that, do it. Don’t just talk about it. Now is the time.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Boehner’s behavior illustrates why it is good that Obama won this election. Think about it – lets pretend that the only thing that changed is that Mitt Romney is the President and the rest of the results are the same. How many of you are so delusional that you expect Boehner not to compromise in negotiation and force America to take its medicine? How many of you truly believe that Mitt Romney, the Big Government slightly conservative *liberal* that Republicans ran against the Big Government Marxist would not just apply slight brakes to the US slide into socialism? That’s right, no one in the right mind on the right should believe that.

(R)s need to fire every fiscal compromiser and fiscal moderate. (R)s religion should become fiscal management, not feel good family values. Family values strived in USSR, Cuba, China and North Korea because in socialism/communism one can only trust those in the family.

EvilCapitalist on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Just say no, that in itself shuts down obamacare.

No money no care.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I thought I’d heard Boehner say the House would not fund O’care. Seems to me that this still might be possible.

I wish someone had some backbone. It’s not about perks anymore, it’s about survival. Then again, maybe that’s not an option.

MN J on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

You’re sore because true to my word, I did not vote for Mittness. Charmed by his ernestness, yet unconvinced of his conservative bonafides. And I wasn’t alone. That’s what torks you quislings.

Better for this land to crash now than to crash later & harder. The Demoncrats deserve having this happen on their watch, with the GOP aiding and abetting our downfall. Time to relegate the GOP to the ashheap of history and back a party that won’t accept ObamneyCare as the law of the land.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

What total crap. Republicans fought every step of the way to keep Obamacare from passing and to stop it after it did. They fought on even after John Roberts, Chief Nutjob of the Supreme Court, decided it was legitimate for Congress to use federal taxing powers to control our individual behavior. The only means of stopping it after that was in the hands of voters… and they voted to keep it.

Libertarians were warned over, and over, and over again that they were throwing their vote away if they voted third party. And in this, clearly your vote didn’t matter because the results are that Obamacare goes forward. That’s the end result of not even bothering to be a speed bump to the socialist agenda.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Speaking of Ron Paul, I saw where he said we have already gone over the Fiscal Cliff. He said now it’s just a matter of how we land. I think he’s right.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Hmmm… maybe there was some sort of action he could’ve taken to stop that?… like endorsing the ONLY candidate who had a chance to beat Barack Obama? /sarc

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM

They fought on even after John Roberts, Chief Nutjob of the Supreme Court, decided it was legitimate for Congress to use federal taxing powers to control our individual behavior. The only means of stopping it after that was in the hands of voters… and they voted to keep it.

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM

But they also voted for divided government – so I guess you could say there’s just as much of a mandate for Boehner to do whatever he can to block it.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM

More resistance and obstructionism from you tactical geniuses, and in the next election the House will fall to the Democrats also. Voters have zero patience for the no-compromise game and failure of leaders to make progress by working together. The people have spoken by 322 electoral votes and there’s no mandate to undo Obama’s programs.

bayam on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

History proves you completely wrong.

As President Bush prepares for his second term, Democrats in Washington and around the country are organizing for a year of confrontation and resistance, saying they are determined to block Bush’s major initiatives and thereby deny him the mandate he has claimed from his reelection victory last November.


Multiple times
.

So what that proves is that “the people” want obstructionism. “The people” voted for and endorse politicians who obstruct.

And that’s what you’re p*ssing yourself over. Obama’s entire strategy requires the Republicans to cave and be complicit in his destruction, and if we shoot the hostages, it’s game over.

So yes, we WILL obstruct. And every time you whine and scream, we’ll keep pointing to those two examples of how you endorse and support obstructionism.

But the way we’ll do it is simple. Obama gets his massive across-the-board tax hike. Obama gets his massive across-the-board economic anchor in Obamacare. Obama gets his carbon tax and coal plant shutdown.

When the lower income brackets see their taxes shoot up by 5 – 10%, their health insurance premiums blast up, energy and gas prices necessarily skyrocket, AND manufacturing and mining crater, putting millions in Pennsylvania and Ohio out of work, then you’ll see support for the GOP to “obstruct” Obama.

northdallasthirty on November 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Republican =/= conservative. The only thing Republicans have ever cared about is power. If being conservative doesn’t do it for them, they’ll go liberal. Didn’t take very long, did it?

Bend over and grease up, suckers.

ElectricPhase on November 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Seems some RINO’s U.S. Senators of the Republican Party voted yes on ColdCommieCare CCC.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I guess in California, you have a lot of nerve being a Republican. I bet they will want the Republican House to vote yes on bailing their stupid butts out.

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Here’s a little reality check for many who are between a rock and a hard place regards Ocare, like myself…

Am on a limited income (alimony) I get too much to qualify for anything, I am 100% disabled, but can’t get disablilty, nor do I qualify for medicaid, I don’t have enough to afford HC Ins, n guess what, I CAN’T EVEN AFFORD OBAMACARE! Average cost for either is in the 400 to 500 range with a 5k deductable…

Please, all you liberals on here, please tell me how is Ocare gonna help me?

Scrumpy on November 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Moderate Democrats and Moderate Republicans are after all first cousins. The offspring they produce will always be unfit and wrong.

It is not moral nor a good darwin thing.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

You’re sore because true to my word, I did not vote for Mittness. Charmed by his ernestness, yet unconvinced of his conservative bonafides. And I wasn’t alone. That’s what torks you quislings.

Better for this land to crash now than to crash later & harder. The Demoncrats deserve having this happen on their watch, with the GOP aiding and abetting our downfall. Time to relegate the GOP to the ashheap of history and back a party that won’t accept ObamneyCare as the law of the land.

AH_C on November 9, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I don’t get you way of thinking. When you didn’t vote for Romney you knew that he would likely lose and ObamaCare would be the law of the land. You want America to crash. It was your decision. You got what you wanted. Why are you complaining about the GOP now?

I can’t imagine that you didn’t understand that Romney’s defeat means that ObamaCare will be implemented.

Gelsomina on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

BUT Justice Roberts also KNEW that ANY “tax” HAS to originate from the House of Representatives, or else it is “unconstitutional!” PART of Obamacare is “unconstituional”—-the “mandate” part, because SCOTUS declared it A TAX!!! And remember: the House of Representatives weren’t allowed to “vote” on ANY PART of Obamacare—including the TAX! (A “tax” can NEVER “originate” in the Senate; ALL taxes have to come from the House of Representatives—or else our Constitution has been IGNORED, yet again—which is grounds for Impeachment, should the House want to do that; and again Impeachment CAN ONLY COME FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES—it NEVER goes to the Senate for a “vote.”)

DixT on November 9, 2012 at 12:02 PM

The one step over the line will be any bail out of any of the commie wasteful spending that has been done in California.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I get 1500 a month, not much when you consider rent hc costs food heat ph etc…

Scrumpy on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM

When did Boehner stop dying his hair?

albill on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Hmmm… maybe there was some sort of action he could’ve taken to stop that?… like endorsing the ONLY candidate who had a chance to beat Barack Obama? /sarc

Murf76 on November 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM

He took plenty of action. He voted no. Repeatedly.

And yet you mock him.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Boehner has farmed out his dye to Obama’scare.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Please, all you liberals on here, please tell me how is Ocare gonna help me?

Scrumpy on November 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I’m not a liberal, but I do know that there will be exchanges set up where you can apply for a taxpayer-subsidized plan.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:05 PM

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