Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land

posted at 8:51 am on November 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

John Boehner has a tough job over the next few weeks — and two years — walking a tightrope between getting acute problems solved while maintaining his credibility with the activist Republican base.  He has the fiscal cliff to resolve without caving on tax increases, investigations to pursue, and more budget negotiations that will at some point require serious entitlement reform.  With all of that on his plate, Boehner doesn’t have much time for fantasy, especially the fantasy that ObamaCare can be repealed.  Boehner told ABC News that the ACA is now “the law of the land,” but that he wants to address parts of it within the context of budget negotiations:

Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

Still, there are some parts of the law, he said, that should be on the table as lawmakers work toward a balanced budget.

My friend at Poor Richard’s News is outraged:

Did Democrats roll over and compromise their principles when George W. Bush won re-election?  No, they did not.  They dug in, they hardened their opposition, and they cleaned our clocks in the last two Presidential elections.  Now is not the time to go all mushy.  Now is is the time to fight harder than ever.

Now, I understand that Bohner’s position may be a tactical one.  Practically speaking, with a re-elected Obama and a Democrat majority still in the Senate, a bill to repeal would get no where.  However, that doesn’t mean that every House and Senate Republican’s goal shouldn’t be to pull this weed up from its roots.  Bohner must clarify his position.  This election was not a mandate to keep Obamacare, and if he expects to be the leader of the House Republicans, he needs to be the leading voice of opposition to it. It doesn’t matter how it happens, a single bill or a chipping away at it gradually.  Obamacare must go.

This isn’t a tactical decision.  It’s reality.  The ACA is not a static law; most of its provisions will go into effect in the next two years, and after that repeal will be immensely difficult, thanks to its transformational nature in relation to the insurance and health-provider industries.  It’s going to be too late to “pull this weed up by its roots” by 2017, the next possible spot on the calendar to do so.  By then, we will have to offer a second round of transformation that starts in the context of ObamaCare., and hope we have a Republican President and Republican majorities to even get that process under way.

We had only two ways to stop ObamaCare.  Either we needed a new President with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress, or veto-proof supermajorities in both chambers of Congress.  Voters didn’t provide John Boehner with either option.  When we say that elections have consequences, this is exactly what we mean.

Back to the tightrope.  Boehner did draw a line in the sand on tax rates, while leaving open the possibility of increasing revenues through tax reform — which has been the Republican position for almost two years:

 ”Raising tax rates is unacceptable,” Boehner, R-Ohio, said in his first broadcast interview since the election Tuesday.

“Frankly, it couldn’t even pass the House. I’m not sure it could pass the Senate.”

That stance could set up a real showdown with the White House given that the president has said he would veto any deal that does not allow tax cuts for the rich to expire. But the speaker said that Republicans would put new tax revenue on the table as leaders work toward a deal.

If I had to guess, both Boehner and Obama will want to go back to the deal that Obama rejected in August 2011, which would still work, and would have fewer political consequences in the wake of the election.  That could get done quickly and would go a long way to bolstering investor confidence that the next four years will be a little more responsible in Washington than the last eighteen months.


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CorporatePiggy on November 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Paul Ryan for speaker.

Now.

Joe Mama on November 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

This isn’t a tactical decision.

Yes it is. He just rubbed the noses of those who didn’t vote on Tuesday in it.

cozmo on November 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM

John Boehner has a tough job over the next few weeks — and two years — walking a tightrope between getting acute problems solved while maintaining his credibility with the activist Republican base. drunk celebrating the betrayal of freedom.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Time for John to go.

He is such weak little RINO. He will cave on whatever he says in a couple of days…count on it.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Good Lord help us

Boehmer needs to go

the cave man

audiotom on November 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Which letter in the word DEFUND is unclear, you crying wimp?

Archivarix on November 9, 2012 at 8:58 AM

We need to start a national movement to resist Obamacare. If you think it is unconstitutional, then you have no moral obligation to follow its requirements.

Dextrous on November 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Boehner: ObamaCare is the law of the land

Boehner always fully intended to betray the Republican base, it’s how we got a raised debt ceiling and sequestration. He was always trying to find a way to not repeal Obamacare, just like he was always going to find a way to sweep Fast and Furious and Benghazi under the carpet. Boehner is and always has been a Democrat/Marxist in Republican clothing. He will make damned certain no on question whether Obama won through Democrat voting fraud as well.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Not sure why this surprises anyone.

He cries at the drop of a hat.

upinak on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

We need to start a national movement to resist Obamacare. If you think it is unconstitutional, then you have no moral obligation to follow its requirements.

Dextrous on November 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

And what do you suppose we as a nation do?

upinak on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Crying over this isn’t going to make the next election better. The Morning Spew has some thoughts on improving the next outcome.

bloggless on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

We will be Greece in four years.

nazo311 on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

In fact, it is time for a 3rd party.

Conservatives need to unite and organize for the mid-terms and stop stop giving to the GOP. The leadership will not accept their failures and they are really nothing more than Dem Lite…taking us closer to destruction, only not as fast.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Paul Ryan for speaker.

Now.

Joe Mama on November 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Ryan didn’t help the ticket this time. Perhaps he’s not ready for a nationally prominent role. I have a high opinion of Ryan but he needs to develop his governing vision beyond Randian objectivism.

dedalus on November 9, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Time for John to go.

He is such weak little RINO. He will cave on whatever he says in a couple of days…count on it.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Acknowledging reality = RINOism. Yup.

If you’re looking to blame somebody, why don’t you blame the folks who cost us the Senate majority? Like O’Donnell, Akin, Mourdock, Buck, and Angle?

But of course you won’t. Responsibility is alien to TruCons, and it’s always someone else’s fault.

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Boehner is talking truth. Romney could have stopped it. But there is no stopping it. The House cannot stop it alone and so it will not be stopped short of a super majority senate and house…..after the midterms.

Zaggs on November 9, 2012 at 9:02 AM

If I had to guess, both Boehner and Obama will want to go back to the deal that Obama rejected in August 2011, which would still work, and would have fewer political consequences in the wake of the election.

If so, Boehner should repeatedly hammer the point I bolded. I somewhat doubt he will, though.

Mr. Prodigy on November 9, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I really hate to say it. We need to compramise. We just got our asses kicked on Tuesday. Offer up a 1-2% tax increase. And circle the wagons. If we don’t, I don’t think we’ll be around to fight for our principles in the future. fighting for whats right is awesome, but if nobody is in Washinton to do it, it wo’nt be much of a fight.

nazarioj001 on November 9, 2012 at 9:03 AM

If I had to guess, both Boehner and Obama will want to go back to the deal that Obama rejected in August 2011, which would still work, and would have fewer political consequences in the wake of the election. That could get done quickly and would go a long way to bolstering investor confidence that the next four years will be a little more responsible in Washington than the last eighteen months.

What part of Obama WON do you not get wingnut?

Boehner will draw a hard line in the sand..the media and the democrats (I repeat myself) will demonize him…the public will be convinced that rethuglicans are evil…Boehner will fold like a cheap suit. Lose – Lose for republicans and the country. Win – Win for democrats and the media.

SOSDD

HumpBot Salvation on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Ryan didn’t help the ticket this time. Perhaps he’s not ready for a nationally prominent role. I have a high opinion of Ryan but he needs to develop his governing vision beyond Randian objectivism.

dedalus

I don’t know. If he is speaking truth that he wanted to go to the inner cities to talk self empowerment over poverty, it would have been interesting to see.

Zaggs on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Boehner is a Rino for standing firm on no increased taxes but closing loopholes which was part of the Romney-Ryan plan?
He didn’t become Speaker because he is politically inept. Stopping the sequestration, adjusting the budget and tax code and immigration reform are smart moves.
There is one question that will define where we are in four years: Does Pres Obama want to stick to ideology so closely that he risks being remembered as this century’s Hoover or does he want to make one more signature achievement such as immigration reform?
If the economy tanks nothing else will be remembered. My guess is that Boehner will play to that reality and we will see the economy start to improve and immigration reform pass.
Would you rather have Obama and Reid just do it by executive fiat?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Ryan doesn’t want to be Speaker. It was offered him in 2010.

As for the fiscal cliff, I propose going off it…m’kay.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

In fact, it is time for a 3rd party.

Conservatives need to unite and organize for the mid-terms and stop stop giving to the GOP. The leadership will not accept their failures and they are really nothing more than Dem Lite…taking us closer to destruction, only not as fast.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Yup, GOP are willing prostitutes serving liberals.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

We need to start a national movement to resist Obamacare. If you think it is unconstitutional, then you have no moral obligation to follow its requirements.

Dextrous on November 9, 2012 at 8:59 AM

More resistance and obstructionism from you tactical geniuses, and in the next election the House will fall to the Democrats also. Voters have zero patience for the no-compromise game and failure of leaders to make progress by working together.
The people have spoken by 322 electoral votes and there’s no mandate to undo Obama’s programs.

bayam on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

None of us is under any obligation to follow Obamacare–we must resist with everything we have, even if it’s only something some of us can do on an individual basis.

I will be intentionally removing myself from the health insurance market. And I will never pay the penalty.

Andy in Colorado on November 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Squish alert

Dems play mr mean and gop play mr nice guy once again

Cripe

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM

In fact, it is time for a 3rd party.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

You are kidding right? There was a libertarian AND green party on the ballot and all it does it send a message that it doesn’t work.

What needs to happen is a re-construction of the core of republicans. Which would be stopping the in-fighting, stopping the divide of social and fiscal problem and work on what CAN work well with with both, stopping the “be a nice guy” routine and start acting like adults and call a spade a spade.

The biggest issue with the republicans is they can’t agree on anything anymore… and that needs to stop.

upinak on November 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM

None of us is under any obligation to follow Obamacare–we must resist with everything we have, even if it’s only something some of us can do on an individual basis.

I will be intentionally removing myself from the health insurance market. And I will never pay the penalty.

Andy in Colorado on November 9, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Which section of the constitution allows citizens to pick and choose which lawful legislation they are obligated to obey?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I want the economy to tank; then even Rubio and his emptiness will be able to win in four years.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Socialized medicine isn’t going away until it has been implemented and the public turns away from it.

Those of you in your 20s may be old enough one day to see that.

Marcus on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Boehner is a p-ssy and needs to go, but he’s not wrong here. You have to pick your battles and bottom line is it’s a waste of time trying to repeal Obamacare. Even picking off parts of it is futile. The more pertinent matters on the table are taxes and the budget and that’s where the House Republicans can at least have some influence. I still think at the end of the day both parties will kick the can down the road with regard to the Bush tax cuts and the debt ceiling and we’ll continue to see no budget out of the Senate. But the GOP needs to at least focus on those negotiations and just accept that the electorate effectively endorsed Obamacare with their vote(or lack thereof) on Tuesday. Many of them will soon regret that decision, but those are the breaks.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Boehner has captulated to whatever Obama wanted for the past 2 years. He got re-elected, so why worry about anything other than golf and DC Cocktail parties?

RADIOONE on November 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the lower income levels start paying more. They asked for it, give it to them.

As for the economy: let it all come crashing down.

No not for schadenfreude, but some people are so ignorant that pain is all they will ever understand.

The idiocracy is upon us. Brawndo is the thirst mutilator!

DavidM on November 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

I don’t know. If he is speaking truth that he wanted to go to the inner cities to talk self empowerment over poverty, it would have been interesting to see.

Zaggs on November 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM

It worked for Jack Kemp. Ryan would do well to incorporate some components of Kemp’s approach.

dedalus on November 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

When you surrender, you have already lost.

Voyager on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

the gop elite never wanted to repeal Obamacare if they did they would have never nominated the father of Obamacare as their standard bearer in 2012.

Just like they never wanted to enforce the border they just say crap to get elected. To the GOPe its all working as planned. They all need to be kicked out of office in 2014.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

When you surrendercannot gain majority, you have already lost.

Voyager on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

They all need to be kicked out of office in 2014.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Who will lead that effort? Angle, ODonnel, or Akin?

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Boehner has captulated to whatever Obama wanted for the past 2 years. He got re-elected, so why worry about anything other than golf and DC Cocktail parties?

RADIOONE on November 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

That’s not entirely true. Did any of those jobs bills Obama proposed ever get through the House? The last couple years of Obama’s first term were fairly uneventful in terms of legislative achievements. I don’t expect that to change in the 2nd term. Budgetary matters will obviously require some negotiation between Boehner and McConnell and the White House, but otherwise we’re looking at more of the same. Gridlock in Congress with Obama using executive orders to get his agenda through.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Can we please have financial collapse already so that the grownups can finally fix things.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:10 AM

hmmm the GOP EXPANDED their majority in the House. In fact a rational person would see the results of the election and understand the voters voted for gridlock.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

I want the economy to tank; then even Rubio and his emptiness will be able to win in four years.

Illinidiva on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Oh the economy is going to tank. We are starting to see the signs -Vegas employer lays off workers after election. Boeing announces lay-offs and this:

“A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners.

The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

The layoffs are necessary because of the president’s “war on coal,” the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=22890041&nid=148&title=utah-company-blames-president-obama-for-102-workers-laid-off&s_cid=featured-4

The economic crap storm is just starting and it is going to get worse.

rsherwd65 on November 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Time to wake up to the reality that Harry Reid can and will pass anything he wants thru reconciliation. This is how they will get Obama’s budget thru with tax increases for the rich, lots of goodies for everybody else and trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. And they will hammer Republicans for not helping out the middle class.

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Can we please have financial collapse already so that the grownups can finally fix things.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM

There is something richly ironic about a person who desires a financial collapse believing that will encourage adult behavior.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Boehner always fully intended to betray the Republican base, it’s how we got a raised debt ceiling and sequestration. He was always trying to find a way to not repeal Obamacare, just like he was always going to find a way to sweep Fast and Furious and Benghazi under the carpet. Boehner is and always has been a Democrat/Marxist in Republican clothing. He will make damned certain no on question whether Obama won through Democrat voting fraud as well.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

My you are a nutter. No wonder you don’t want an ignore feature on here.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Simple. The House members need to revolt and throw Boehner out as Speaker and put in Paul Ryan. If they don’t, they are committing themselves to permanent minority status in this country. Democrat Lite will gain theme NOTHING!

michaelo on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM

In fact a rational person would see the results of the election and understand the voters voted for gridlock.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Conversely you could say they voted for continued liberal policy and Obamacare being permanently baked in.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I hoping the same person that kicked many of them out in 2010.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Can we please have financial collapse already so that the grownups can finally fix things.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM

If that happens soon the ones who will be in charge of rebuilding are the Democrats Socialists.

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

This is why we need a true Conservative to lead the party.

Palin 2016

ChuckTX on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I think it is time the republicans gave the dhimcrapts exactly what they want. They should eliminate ALL tax deductions. Raise the tax on those making over $250K to 49%. Require EVERYONE to pay a minimum tax. Adopt Sharia law (this will take care of those sluts that think with their vaginas). If women will have complete control over their bodies, then men should also. For too long the men have been sent off to be killed defending the women. Laws that require EQUAL participation in combat forces; draft women if necessary. Finally, we need a national property tax law with the first $250K being exempt. The remainder being at some higher percentage rate – say 49%. Finally, states should exercise states rights in controlling energy production within their own borders, including export to other states.

Most of the really high earners, teachers, firemen, police politicians, lobbiests, brokers, big bankers in the East and californika will fall under the new laws. The rest of you bast..ds can starve and freeze in the dark!

Old Country Boy on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Boehner —–> Ryan

petefrt on November 9, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Ryan didn’t help the ticket this time. Perhaps he’s not ready for a nationally prominent role. I have a high opinion of Ryan but he needs to develop his governing vision beyond Randian objectivism.

dedalus

I’ve never heard Ryan define himself as a “Randian objectivist” and I don’t think he is one.

The lesson to take from Rand isn’t all that complicated – people will do what they perceive to be in their own best interests. “How does this affect me?” is at the heart of pretty much everything we do; it may take a while to sort out exactly how a particular act benefits the person doing it, but it’s in there.

Obama won because he turned out voters who wanted more of what he’s selling.

The BIG question for conservatives & Republicans – - – after four years of Obama, how is it that a better ticket (yes, Romney/Ryan is a better ticket than McCain/Palin – no offense to Palin intended) gets 2.5 million fewer votes?

BD57 on November 9, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Palin 2016

ChuckTX on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Give it up already

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:17 AM

It’s going to be too late to “pull this weed up by its roots” by 2017, the next possible spot on the calendar to do so.

Yeah, but Boehner doesnt sound as if he wants to try even if he will get the chance in 2017.

Valkyriepundit on November 9, 2012 at 9:18 AM

But of course you won’t. Responsibility is alien to TruCons, and it’s always someone else’s fault.

KingGold on November 9, 2012 at 9:02 AM

I blame them personally for sabotaging their own campaigns, because they were not smart enough to avoid saying things that could so very easily be taken out of context and ridiculed. I blame the NRSC for not standing behind them and giving them the support they needed to overcome their missteps and I blame the doubly for even working against them.

So, KingGold, your argument is hollow. It’s your side that NEVER takes resposibility.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Aggregated at Twitchy are a selection of tweets from small business owners who have been forced, unwillingly, to fire employees in order to survive a second Obama term. Perhaps one of the most poignant was this: “This morning dad was sad because he knew he’d have to lay off people due to ObamaCare costs. #ThanksObama.”

There are larger businesses already announcing layoffs, as well. Among those doing so just in the 48 hours since President Obama was reelected are:

Westinghouse, Research in Motion Ltd., Lightyear Network Solutions, Providence Journal, Hawker Beechcraft, Boeing, CVPH Medical Center, ING,Momentive Performance Materials, Husqvarna, SRA International, Darden Restaurants,, Rocketdyne, and Rockwell Collins.

Companies that have announced layoffs in the past month include Cummins, Bristol Myers, Corning, Lockeed Martin, Kimberly Clark, Dow Chemical and Zynga.

If that isn’t enough, here’s what we have to look forward to thanks to the new ObamaCare taxes:

Boston Scientific anticipates $100 million in additional taxes next year, with layoffs to follow. Medtronic estimates a $175 million loss in 2013 and will cut 1,000 workers. Stryker plans 1,170 job cuts.

Other medical manufacturers will follow: Smith & Nephew, with 770 layoffs; Abbott Labs, 700; Covidien, 595; Kinetic Concepts, 427; St. Jude Medical, 300; Welch Allyn 275; and Hill Rom, 200.

What’s more, as Neil Shirley points out:

Cook Medical put plans for five new U.S. manufacturing facilities on hold and will likely redirect growth overseas. Boston Scientific recently announced a $150 million investment in China over the next five years for new manufacturing facilities and 1,000 employees.

Costs will be offset with layoffs, cutting R&D, and higher prices to their customers, hospitals and provider groups. Hospitals will pass it to insurance providers, who will pass it to us in higher insurance premiums.

sorry for no link. I received this from a friend in MA.

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Boehner always fully intended to betray the Republican base, it’s how we got a raised debt ceiling and sequestration. He was always trying to find a way to not repeal Obamacare, just like he was always going to find a way to sweep Fast and Furious and Benghazi under the carpet. Boehner is and always has been a Democrat/Marxist in Republican clothing. He will make damned certain no on question whether Obama won through Democrat voting fraud as well.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

My you are a nutter. No wonder you don’t want an ignore feature on here.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM

He’s right. Boehner is part of the problem, not part of the solution. It’s always go along to get along with General Weepy.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

In fact, it is time for a 3rd party.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:01 AM

The time for a 3rd party was this election. If Americans in general and conservatives in particular couldn’t break free from the 1 & 1/2 party mentality when it came down to “Worst POTUS Ever” vs. “Liberal in a dollar-store disguise”…

There is something richly ironic about a person who desires a financial collapse believing that will encourage adult behavior.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I understand where they’re coming from, but people really don’t seem to grasp just what that collapse will really mean.

To continue the ‘adult/child behavior’ analogy, it will mean lots of big children in the streets acting like they’ve been left alone in a candy store.

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

When Axlerod, the day after the election, states that neither side got a mandate there is some awareness that compromises will have to occur.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

You people got a better idea than financial collapse followed by civil war let’s hear it because I don’t see a political solution fixing it.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Socialized medicine isn’t going away until it has been implemented and the public turns away from it.

Those of you in your 20s may be old enough one day to see that.

Marcus on November 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Let them eat cake till they puke.

wi farmgirl on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

People like bgibbs who openly wish for collapse of the financial system and the pain and suffering that would mean for all Americans are not very patriotic in my opinion.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

It was linked in the other Obamacare thread. Here’s another one.

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Someone should tell Boehner to read the Constituiton, specifically the Supremacy Clause:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Obamacare is NOT the law of the land.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

No news flash here, but the Salem pundits are some weak sisters. They’re not very helpful anymore. They probably never were.

The House should try to defund Obamacare.

JKahn913 on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM

and the rest of your dark fantasy is revealed – gird your loins, stock up on ammo, etc. etc.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Most of the really high earners, teachers, firemen, police politicians, lobbiests, brokers, big bankers in the East and californika will fall under the new laws. The rest of you bast..ds can starve and freeze in the dark!

Old Country Boy on November 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM

True words. Tax them. Tax the pensions.

wi farmgirl on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

When Axlerod, the day after the election, states that neither side got a mandate there is some awareness that compromises will have to occur.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

First of all, Axelrod-up-my-@$$ is lying his face off. Again.

Second of all, there is not going to BE any ‘compromises’ anymore, unless you mean the thinly-plastered veneer of “liberals get what they want and screw anyone else”.

MelonCollie on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

You people got a better idea than financial collapse followed by civil war let’s hear it because I don’t see a political solution fixing it.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The financial collapse America will get in spades, the civil war, not so much, Americans have become sheep who will walk meekly into the cattle cars when the time comes.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

You people got a better idea than financial collapse followed by civil war let’s hear it because I don’t see a political solution fixing it.

bgibbs1000 on November 9, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I don’t think we’ve quite reached 1860 just yet(although Obama is neck-and-neck with Buchanan as the worst President of all-time), but a financial collapse may not only be inevitable but necessary. The best education IMO is the cold hard ass-kicking of reality. And I think a lot of voters in this country need a dose of that.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM

People like bgibbs who openly wish for collapse of the financial system and the pain and suffering that would mean for all Americans are not very patriotic in my opinion.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Maybe they are sick and tired of being the plow horse for the welfare state.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

if the GOP house keeps obstructing, they will be wiped out in the midterms.

nathor on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Nullification, people. Nullification.

Here you have a supposedly conservative website, yet it refuses to educated, discuss, and push for nullification.

Jefferson and Nullification

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Conversely you could say they voted for continued liberal policy and Obamacare being permanently baked in.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:15 AM

no if they did they weould have returned the house to Pelosi. The voters voted for the status quo which for the last 2 years means gridlock. They were so happy that the house wa sin GOP hands they voted more gop into it. They were happy the senate was blocking some of the GOP house bills so they gave Rried more votes and finally they dsidn’t see enough of a differenc between Obama and Mitt to change horses during the stagflation. In other words the status quo. Gridlock. Not much has gotten down in the last 2 years. No major bills no reqorganization of government. No massive stimulus. Obamacare was passed before the landslide
of 2010 polls show that voters want the it repealed. The speaker will be stupid to not continue the effort of repeal no matter the “reality” of it. Politcs is not about relaity but about appearances. The gOP needs to fight for repeal, defunding and slowing implementation until 2014 if they do their majorities will increase if not they will be voted out.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

hmmm the GOP EXPANDED their majority in the House. In fact a rational person would see the results of the election and understand the voters voted for gridlock.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Eh? The Dems picked up seats in the House. Republicans lost seats. The election results don’t match what you are saying.

AngusMc on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the lower income levels start paying more. They asked for it, give it to them.

As for the economy: let it all come crashing down.

No not for schadenfreude, but some people are so ignorant that pain is all they will ever understand.

The idiocracy is upon us. Brawndo is the thirst mutilator!

DavidM on November 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

AGREED. Follow the example of the Senate… block everything. Let everything go through, and everything liberals want… double it. Accelerate the crash.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM

And I think a lot of voters in this country need a dose of that.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM

There is no ass kicking that can correct the stupidity of anyone who either voted for Obama, or who stayed home to teach the Republicans a lesson, or who just couldn’t vote for a Mormon.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I’m Amish now.

If I get any heat from the feds for it, I plan on visiting the Obama Hospital for everything, I mean EVERYTHING. If I get so much as a blister on my hand from raking or a hangnail on my toe, I’ll be at the hospital demanding xray’s and an MRI.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

You are only focusing on the house and polls. The senate and presidency were returned to the Democrats. Maybe people want gridlock but I think the polls you refer to also showed a desire for compromise.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM

People like bgibbs who openly wish for collapse of the financial system and the pain and suffering that would mean for all Americans are not very patriotic in my opinion.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Maybe they are sick and tired of being the plow horse for the welfare state.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

And sick and tired of trying to save stupid people from their choices. Time for them to experience just what liberalism brings.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:28 AM

He has the fiscal cliff to resolve without caving on tax increases, investigations to pursue, and more budget negotiations that will at some point require serious entitlement reform. With all of that on his plate, Boehner doesn’t have much time for fantasy, especially the fantasy that ObamaCare can be repealed.

It takes reasonable leaders in Congress and a reasonable President to make a deal. I don’t think we have the latter in the rat-eared bastard. I look for his speech today to essentially be a repeat of his “I won” or “Republicans can go along for the ride so long as they sit in the back and stay quiet” bluster. The filthy commie simply does not have it in him for real compromise and the GOP should not just bend over and take it in the name of making a deal.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 9:28 AM

And sick and tired of trying to save stupid people from their choices. Time for them to experience just what liberalism brings.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:28 AM

They have been cushioned from the consequences of stupidity for too long.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM

ObamaCare is having it’s intended effect –

HOW MANY BUSINESSES HAVE ANNOUNCED CLOSINGS OR LAYOFFS SINCE OBAMA WON A SECOND TERM?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-many-businesses-have-announced-closings-or-lay-offs-since-obama-won-a-second-term/

In the last 48 hours, the following major corporations have announced layoffs in America

• Energizer – 1500
• Westinghouse – 50
• Research in Motion Limited – 200
• Lightyear Network Solutions – 12
• Providence Journal – 23
• Hawker Beechcraft – 240
• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -
• CVPH Medical Center – 17
• US Cellular – 940
• Rocketdyne – 100
• Brake Parts – 75
• Vestas Wind Systems – 3000
• Husqvarna – 600
• Center for Hospice New York – 40
• Bristol-Meyers – 480
• OCE North America – 135
• Darden Restaurants – hours limited to 28 per week

Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

• Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
• Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
• The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
• Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
• Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
• The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
• Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
• Movie Scene Milford Location NH
• Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
• Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
• Kmart in Homer Glen
• Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
• AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
• The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
• The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
• Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
• Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
• Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
• The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost

redguy on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM

The biggest issue with the republicans is they can’t agree on anything anymore… and that needs to stop.

upinak on November 9, 2012 at 9:06 AM

What choice is there? We already own the base of the GOP and yet the leadership thumbs their noses at us. They need conservatives to win but but ignore, berate and sabotage conservatives just as badly as the leftists do. I agree most 3rd party runs do not work because they are normally run by fruitcakes and fringe movements like the Libertarians and the Greens.

Do you not remember 2010? It was a landslide for conservatives and our ideas but then after the election we were told to sit down and shut up. The GOP will not change because the people in charge charge like their power.

Sporty1946 on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM

AGREED. Follow the example of the Senate… block everything. Let everything go through, and everything liberals want… double it. Accelerate the crash.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM

What are we going to block when Harry Reid can literally do anything thru reconciliation???

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Funny how no details of any compromise have been advertised yet Boehner is already being branded as a sellout.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

if the GOP house keeps obstructing, they will be wiped out in the midterms.

nathor on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Why? The Dems obstructed after 2004 and were rewarded in 2006 by the electorate. The GOP tried to obstruct after 2008(when Obama had a much bigger mandate) and were rewarded in 2010 by the electorate.

If they hold the line as much as possible the next 2 years, the base will be there for them come 2014. Turnout will inevitably be lower for the Dems as it was in 2010, and if the economy goes back into recession(or at least remains stagnant) in 2013 as many are predicting and Obamacare is the clusterfark we all know it’ll be come 2014, the Republicans will add House seats, pick off a few Senate races(AK, AR, and NC are ripe for the taking), and start their comeback heading toward 2016.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The financial collapse America will get in spades, the civil war, not so much, Americans have become sheep who will walk meekly into the cattle cars when the time comes.

SWalker on November 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Most Americans have become sheep… but not the conservatives who are have been, and continue, to arm themselves.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

CoffeeLover on November 9, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Our hospitals, clinics have already laid people off.

wi farmgirl on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

if the GOP house keeps obstructing, they will be wiped out in the midterms.

nathor on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

One man’s obstructionism is another man’s Constitutional duty.

I honestly don’t care either way at this point. If the GOP gets wiped out for doing its job then so be it and let the chips fall.

Good and hard.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

…walking a tightrope between getting acute problems solved while maintaining his credibility with the activist Republican base.

Boehner has no credibility with the activist Republican base, Ed. He hasn’t for quite some time. He’s widely considered a RINO who has only been kept somewhat in check by the fact that a sizeable enough portion of his caucus to matter happens to be tea party candidates. He needs to go as soon as possible.

Having said that, that doesn’t mean he’s always wrong, and he’s right on this one. The opportunity to stop Obamacare at the federal level has passed, at least for now. We took it to the courts, and we lost. We took it to the voters, and we lost again. Republicans can use their majority in the House to block new legislation, but they’ve got no ability to force the repeal of Obamacare, or even do significant damage to it. They can make adjustments around the edges, which is what Boehner says he’s planning to do, and there’s some limited benefit to that. But as to tossing it out? Nope, not going to happen.

At this point, it’s a pointless exercise for Boehner to devote time and effort to an attempt to repeal. It is much more productive for the Republican House to work hard on issues that they can have a serious impact on, such as taxes, spending, and entitlement reform.

The only solution to the Obamacare problem at this point is for the states to grow some backbones and refuse to implement it. Exercise their rights under the 10th Amendment that have been squelched for so long. Beyond that, Obamacare will be, as Boehner says, “the law of the land.”

Shump on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Boehner must go. We need fighters now more than ever. I believe we can defeat Obama via federalism. Belw is a letter I sent to all GOP governors. I plan to contact as many TEA party orgs as I can to get them to focus their energies on federalism too. Join the fight.

Dear Governor,

I am writing as a deeply patriotic American, a veteran, a husband, a father, and someone who loves this country too much to give up on it.
I, like many conservatives, am extremely disappointed in the outcome of the election; I believe if conservatives don’t act to stop the president we will emerge from his last four years as a socialist country with only a thin veneer of free market capitalism and individual liberty remaining.
Having become quite intimate with the Constitution over the last several years I believe our ‘salvation’, if you will, is the 10th Amendment and a return to federalism.
The Founders, as you well know, didn’t seek to establish an all-powerful central government with the power to dictate how we free citizens manage our lives, and I refuse to submit to such a government. I demand to retain my God given right to take care of myself. I will not become a subject whose life is directed from cradle to grave by a smothering nanny state.
The Founders, in their infinite wisdom, included the 10th Amendment in the Constitution to explicitly state that those powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government were to remain with the states and the people.
Since the Wilson era, and possibly since the end of the Civil War, the federal government has usurped more and more of the states’ rightful powers and over time reduced the states to little more than administrative units of the central government. This centralization more than anything is responsible for much of the gridlock and acrimony in DC as the liberal and conservative world views clash over how large and intrusive the federal government ought to be. The Liberal agenda of redistribution, ‘fairness’, equality of outcome, et al cannot succeed without the centralization of power.
So much of what comes out of the federal government today and since the New Deal is grossly unconstitutional and well beyond their enumerated powers.
Obamacare is perhaps the best, most recent example of unconstitutional legislation; in spite of the SCOTUS ruling.
Now that Obama has been reelected Obamacare is likely to become permanent until such time it, and other programs, collapses the welfare state. Since Obamacare is without a doubt unconstitutional, I believe that it is well within the 10th Amendment powers of the states to reject it and to prevent its implementation within their borders. Without cooperation from the states it cannot survive.
I believe that it is well past time for the states to reassert their constitutional powers to rein in the federal government, protect their citizens from the rapacious predations of the socialists that have taken over the Democrat party, and to seize back those powers that have for so long been usurped.
The beauty of federalism is that it allows the states to compete with each other to limit government, limit taxation, and allow states’ residents to mold their state governments to best suit their needs. With the usurpation of so many states’ prerogatives that system has broken down. Now the impact of Nevada electing a Harry Reid has serious repercussions to me as a citizen or Arkansas. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.
I am writing to all GOP governors, the Republican Governors Association, and as many TEA Party groups as possible in the hope that I can get someone, anyone, to take up the banner of conservatism, Americanism, the Constitution, and the reestablishment of self-determination and liberty through the use of the 10th Amendment. I hope that We the People can count on you to be one of the leaders of this movement.

Charlemagne on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

What are we going to block when Harry Reid can literally do anything thru reconciliation???

txhsmom on November 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM

That’s why I said block everything. Reconciliation can only occur when there is a House version and Senate version. The Senate cannot pass anything only on its own.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Thanks melon collie @9:23…was about to post the same thing

Dude is leaving for Asia and expects Congress to get it done…..leading from behind
Will blame gop for any and all problem that may occur

We all know it

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

if the GOP house keeps obstructing, they will be wiped out in the midterms.

nathor on November 9, 2012 at 9:25 AM

ROFL by “obstructing” they increased thier majority in 2012 why would voters turn them out for doing what they have been doing. If obstructing would “wipe them out” Then Pelosi would be speaker today. The GOP needs to stonewall more. the more they fight Obama the bigger their majorites will be in the midterms.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Maybe people want gridlock but I think the polls you refer to also showed a desire for compromise.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Compromise starts with the recognition that the GOP’s supporters have an equally legitimate position. I’m sick and tired of filthy Democrats demanding the GOP obey them or it isn’t compromise. Until the Dems and the rat-eared bastard learns that- they can eff off. Let the market tank, let the government shut down, let companies lay off legions of American workers.

We have serious problems and the Demoncrats have yet to prove they are part of the solution.

Happy Nomad on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

but not the conservatives who are have been, and continue, to arm themselves.

dominigan on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I take it you fancy yourself as the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under whatever new republic you create.

Bradky on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

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