The wind lobby & friends, fighting for survival

posted at 5:19 pm on November 8, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

The wind industry and their well-monied interests have been locked in an epic death struggle to get Congress to — yet again — extend the wind production tax credit that ensures the industry’s survival. I’m sure they’re breathing a huge sigh of relief now that the Great Defender of All Green Subsidies is set for another term in the White House, as he’ll help them champion their rent-seeking cause with the public by continuing to vocally couch wind as one of the renewable energies “of the future.” (How it is that President Obama knows how to read the domestic-energy tea leaves better than free-market signals still eludes me.) They’ve still got to get past Congress, however, and they’re giving it all they’ve got, via The Hill:

Advocates of expiring tax credits for wind power projects will greet next week’s return of Congress with a multi-front campaign for extension of the incentives in the lame-duck session.

A bipartisan group of governors, under the umbrella of the 28-member Governors’ Wind Coalition, will hold a Tuesday press conference calling for an extension of the production tax credit that’s scheduled to expire at year’s end. …

Separately, the Sierra Club has blanketed a Capitol Hill metro station with ads in advance of a multiday “wind week” campaign next week to promote extension of the credits.

“Wind power makes clean energy, good jobs and better future. Don’t blow it,” some of the ads state, showing images of people working on wind projects. …

“Wind week” will involve labor, environmental and wind industry groups, the Sierra Club said.

You can read about my great and profound love for this, my most favoritest subsidy in the history of evah, here and here (hint to regulars: government “investments”).

The wind-industry says that tens of thousands of jobs will be lost if the tax credit doesn’t get another chance, which is perfectly true — in the short term. During the election season, President Obama faulted Mitt Romney for calling wind-industry jobs “imaginary,” but Romney was right on the money on that one. If these jobs are so very dependent on government assistance for their survival, they are jobs that come at the opportunity cost of heightened productivity, economic growth, and more robust jobs if those resources were spent elsewhere, rather than being poured into a wildly quixotic endeavor that can never seem to make it in the free market.

But when has the inability to compete on its own merits ever stopped industries lucky enough to land in the arena of political favor? That’s what big government is for, right?


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No more subsidies for green failures…

OmahaConservative on November 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

rather than being poured into a wildly quixotic endeavor

I see what you did there…

Mohonri on November 8, 2012 at 5:23 PM

The wind lobby & friends, fighting for survival

Screw em, let them die… What happened to 23 million voters?

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

There’s a lot of “wind” in that lobby.

squint on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

what evah, Obama will easily get this in exchange for allowing a Repub policy he can demonize to stay on the books.

rob verdi on November 8, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Oh yeah, this is definitely worth borrowing money from the Chinese for, and making our kids and grand-kids pay back, with interest.

Appalling!

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

The wind lobby & friends, fighting for survival more subsidies

Fify!

Valkyriepundit on November 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Go for broke.

the_nile on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I concur, everything.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

With Obama in for another four, his backers expect big time payback. They expect to get very rich off taxpayer dollars.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

There is 53 days left before the fiscal cliff….

More subs for green energy boondoggles

Obama schedules a 3 country overseas trip….(important places i.e. Burma)

Business as usual…esh!

CoffeeLover on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Now that Obama’s won, the fact that these weirdos still have to beg to survive is hilarious to me.

thebrokenrattle on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

fighting for survival

Great, now I have Bob Marley’s song Buffalo Soldier stuck in my head.

UltimateBob on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

The Sierra club knows full well that wind is a worthless blight.

pat on November 8, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Screw em, let them die… What happened to 23 million voters?

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

It’s something thats hard to figure out.
People were exploding for Romney with rally’s packed…Obama playing to half empty gyms. But Romney got almost 3 million fewer votes than McCain??? Reeeally?

Obama get 10 fewer votes…and wins 330+ ev’s.

I’m sure it just seems odd for some reason.

Mimzey on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Obama schedules a 3 country overseas trip….(important places i.e. Burma)

Business as usual…esh!

CoffeeLover on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

No kidding?

“Mooch, where you wanna go now?”

“I don’t know. I’ve never seen Burma.”

“Burma it is! Messina! Schedule some sort of official visit to Burma.”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

“I don’t know. I’ve never seen Burma.”

“Burma it is! Messina! Schedule some sort of official visit to Burma.”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

You may know it as Myanmar, but it’ll always be Burma to me.

(paging JPeterman)

UltimateBob on November 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Go for broke.

the_nile on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I concur, everything.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Cloward & Piven them?

Hmmmm….

A tempting proposition – community organizer undone by community organizer tactics.

I’m liking it!

Bruno Strozek on November 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Call cutting this tax break “new revenue”.

Count to 10 on November 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM

The trip becomes even more ridiculous when you add in Chris Van Holland saying “The President and Democrats stand ready to work with Republicans –– the question facing the GOP is if they will listen to the American people and come to the table ready to compromise.”

CoffeeLover on November 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Jeebus…. this is like watching new episodes of Amos n’ Andy

roflmao

donabernathy on November 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

The wind-industry says that tens of thousands of jobs will be lost if the tax credit doesn’t get another chance, which is perfectly true — in the short term.

Eh, how many members of Congress are invested in this bull$hit?

Let’s start with Pelosi….

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Damn skippy. Let it burn.

The Rogue Tomato on November 8, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Obama schedules a 3 country overseas trip….(important places i.e. Burma)

Business as usual…esh!

CoffeeLover on November 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

No kidding?

“Mooch, where you wanna go now?”

“I don’t know. I’ve never seen Burma.”

“Burma it is! Messina! Schedule some sort of official visit to Burma.”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Why not? The WH will now be a permanent night club with rappers, lavish state parties and gigs for party planners.

The Politburo lives….. very well…..

Mooch will have to watch her expanding weight while the rest of us become “skinnies”. Who would have thought it could happen?

Cody1991 on November 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Tax credits cost too much to the precious federal budget, they must stop. Also those $7500/volt rebates cost too much.

I have also come around to the sound fiscal thinking of eliminating the Bush tax rates. ALL OF THEM. The best information I can find is that the elimination of these rates and going back to Saint Clinton’s rates would bring in $435 billion in FY 2013 alone. We can’t afford the cost of the tax rate reduction.

Quite frankly, America needs to be spanked and going back to the 90s tax rate is a start. Sadly, the republicans have become enablers of the childish behavior on Tuesday. There have been no consequences to the democrat party’s prolific spending since 2007 and hence why the public keeps electing them. Punishment is required for bad citizens.

The best part is there is absolutely nothing the donks and 0bama can do. Just let the entire thing lapse. Can’t table it in the senate like Reid has done on every sane economic bill passed in the HOR. 0bama can’t veto it because there is nothing to veto. It happens at the beginning of the term so by the midterms only 0bama will be blamed.

Also we need to go back to Saint Clinton’s EITC which were far smaller than the generous rates of today.

OWN IT democrat party!

jukin3 on November 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM

When newly elected senator Angus King was our gov. here in Maine he made the state buy a percentage of its power from “renewable s”. Recently he received a big fat gov. backed loan to build a wind farm. Now he can vote as a senator to protect his investment. See how it works? And everyone thought that the rino named Snowe was sooooo terrible.

aceinstall on November 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM

A bipartisan group of governors, under the umbrella of the 28-member Governors’ Wind Coalition, will hold a Tuesday press conference calling for an extension of the production tax credit that’s scheduled to expire at year’s end. …

That means there are about GOP rent seekers involved also. Yep, a real conservative party we have.

chemman on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Stand back, GOP, and let the rats give these guys $200 billion.

Pass everything.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Go for broke.

the_nile on November 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

I concur, everything.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Cloward & Piven them?

Hmmmm….

A tempting proposition – community organizer undone by community organizer tactics.

I’m liking it!

Bruno Strozek on November 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Exactly! follow Barry’s lead and just vote ‘present’

Child In Time on November 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Governors’ Wind Coalition

That joke writes itself.

Californias high speed rail will consume 3 billion kilowatt-hours (kWh) a year by the time it’s fully operational statewide.
If you mount wind turbines on top of the trains, going 220 mph, will the trains power themselves?
What happens when the train stops at a station?

MichaelGabriel on November 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Ancient rulers measured their greatness by the things they owned or the technology they spread. Often the work expressed the spirit or style of the near divine.

King Arthur’s sword, Lady Pu-abi’s headdress and jewelry, Judge Roy Bean’s Gavel and Spock’s Tricorder.

We need to set to work something with a non-powered spinning propeller to show our POTUS the regard we have for him. Something he can wear or bear like a Roman Triumph.

Maybe something simple enough for his followers to carry or even wear and support the technical genius of our leader.

You folks can find something else but I suggest this wonderful item for leader and faithful to wear to be an exemplar of President Obama and his rush forward:

http://www.geekculture.com/geekculturestore/webstore/caps.html

Jay-Z would stand out in one.

IlikedAUH2O on November 8, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Drove through the wind tower field in NE Colorado a few months ago. Thousands of the things. Made me sick thinking every time each one of those vanes turned around, the national debt clock was being ratcheted up another few pennies. At the time had not realized Colorado was infested with the things. Moved here a year ago from Washington State and the whole Columbia River valley is polluted with the things– part of the reaso that state is so deep in debt because of the billion dollars or so they gave away to the wind industry.

mjzman on November 8, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Gravity is the ultimate energy source, stable & constant.
Maybe if we dropped those wind turbines out of airplanes, they would achieve maximum efficiency.

Where do I get my government grant to test this theory?

MichaelGabriel on November 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Republicans in the HoR need to vote present on the Bush tax rates. Let them all expire. I also suggest going along with that carbon tax.

jukin3 on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

For a group of politicians and activists that want to model us after Europe – they should know that the Germans (and Dutch, I believe) have suspended subsidies to the wind industry, because it isn’t viable.

Why can’t we take our cue from that? Even the European greenies have seen the light.

Save the birds – dump the wind turbines.

Hill60 on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

For a group of politicians and activists that want to model us after Europe – they should know that the Germans (and Dutch, I believe) have suspended subsidies to the wind industry, because it isn’t viable.

Hill60 on November 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

They don’t have an Enlightened Leader like we do.
I heard that Obama got an A+ in Blowhard at Columbia University.

MichaelGabriel on November 8, 2012 at 6:43 PM

If it can’t survive in an unweighted free market climate, save it until it can.

Look at the damage done by the Big E Ethanol lobby. We’ve got previously fine cars having their engines rebuilt, we’ve got lawn mowers, trimmers, etc., having to be rebuilt, repaired or scrapped, and more importantly, we’ve got people around the world starving, and we’ve got people here at home starving because of the goddamn government and its ethanol mandate.

Sure, they got rid of the subsidy. Without getting shed of the mandate, this makes it even worse for the poorest of the poor here and abroad.

Not only will the corn, corn meal, high-fructose corn syrup, and like markets see increasingly higher prices, but so will beef, pork, chicken, and the rest of the food supply. We’re already broke and going downhill, and Uncle Sugar is only exacerbating the problem, in many ways.

The fact that producing ethanol uses more energy than the resultant ethanol product will yield should be enough to have stopped this insanity from even starting, but then again, we are dealing with the Big Government Knows It All perversion of reality prevalent today.

God help us all.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 6:49 PM

“Burma it is! Messina! Schedule some sort of official visit to Burma.”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM

I’ll eat a cardboard hat if Ojesus calls Burma anything other than Myanmar, unless he calls it the heroic bastion of dictatorship named Myanmar. I’ll even forgo the salt; I’ll eat an unseasoned cardboard hat if the Embarrassment-in-Chief even utters the word “Burma.”

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Good news, if we can get the subsidies going maybe next year this 1,000 year old technology will finally be viable!

Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on November 8, 2012 at 6:55 PM

If we could harness all of the hot air expounded about solar and wind power, we could shoot a rocket to Mars in a couple of days, physics notwithstanding.

Reality is a bitch, but that doesn’t stop Jugeared Jesus, Crazy Joe, Dirty Harry, Antsy Nancy, and their hopelessly enamored and extremely illogical supporters.

What we have here is a failure to communicate even think on or above a third-grade level.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:01 PM

fighting for survival

Great, now I have Bob Marley’s song Buffalo Soldier stuck in my head.

UltimateBob on November 8, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Don’t feel bad, I’ve got the one about the Squirrel Went Berserk in the Baptist church loose in mine.

/Old Dr. Demento standard

Seriously, I say let them have their subsidies. Go to the limit. Let The One and his deep-eco friends fund every single “green” delusion they have. Let them gut our energy infrastructure, even to the point of letting them have shrieking Os as they dynamite hydro dams.

The Republicans should vote “present” on everything they do.

And when the rolling blackouts hit, tell them

You wanted it. You dreamed of it. This is your Green Utopia.

Own it.

Remember what happened to “Grayout” Davis in California?

One day without power at Starbucks and their constituencies will turn on them like rabid badgers.

Myself, I’ll sit and watch. Having made popcorn over an open fire.

(Unlike them, I actually know how to cook over one.)

cheers

eon

eon on November 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM

If we could harness all of the hot air expelled around and about solar and wind power, we could shoot a rocket to Mars in a couple of days — physics notwithstanding.

Reality is a brightly lit bitch, but that doesn’t stop Jugeared Jesus, Crazy Joe, Dirty Harry, Antsy Nancy, and their hopelessly enamored and extremely illogical supporters.

What we have here is a failure to communicate even think on or above a third-grade level.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM

If we could harness all of the hot air expelled around and about solar and wind power, we could shoot a rocket to Mars in a couple of days — physics notwithstanding.

Reality is a brightly lit bxtch, but that doesn’t stop Jugeared Jesus, Crazy Joe, Dirty Harry, Antsy Nancy, and their hopelessly enamored and extremely illogical supporters.

What we have here is a failure to communicate even think on or above a third-grade level.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I apologize for the multiple posts; I assumed that my first ones were blocked by the filter for the bitxx word, but evidently was wrong.

Again, apologies to all. I’m sure that one of each of my posts is more than many wish to endure, much less three.

Oops.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Your first posts with a bad word went into a buffer until a moderator okayed them, then they posted with their original timestamp. Sometimes no mod is on duty, and it never posts. Sometimes they don’t allow it anyway and it never posts. Best to avoid that bad word. I use batch.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I apologize for the multiple posts; I assumed that my first ones were blocked by the filter for the bitxx word, but evidently was wrong.

Again, apologies to all. I’m sure that one of each of my posts is more than many wish to endure, much less three.

Oops.

hillbillyjim on November 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

I think most people around here would agree, 100 hillbillyjim posts is better than 1 troll post.
Don’t sweat it.

I think I like Erika Johnsen topics because they tend to be troll free.

Hot Fresh Air.

MichaelGabriel on November 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

My “we could power the country on wind right now” snark has already been expressed above, 200 different ways. :)

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

[...] I’m sure it just seems odd for some reason.

Mimzey on November 8, 2012 at 5:44 PM

You see that ballot? You didn’t vote that.

Axe on November 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Are they really dying…Who should I really ask?

tomas on November 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM