The return of Simpson-Bowles?

posted at 11:51 am on November 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

More than two years ago, when Barack Obama needed to demonstrate some openness to bipartisanship, he created a national commission on budget and deficit reform, which came to be known as Simpson-Bowles after its two co-chairs, Republican Alan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles.  When the Simpson-Bowles commission recommended a series of budgetary and tax reforms that conflicted with Obama’s plans, he ignored their recommendations altogether and proposed two successive budgets that didn’t attract one single supporter on either side of the aisle in three floor votes in Congress (one in the House and two in the Senate).  The presidential campaign took the spotlight off of the Simpson-Bowles proposals, highlighting instead Paul Ryan’s competing plan, and Obama’s utter lack of any plan other than to hike taxes on the rich.

Politico reports that the two co-chairs haven’t left the job, even though the President abandoned the project.  They’re making the lecture rounds, raising money, and plan to storm Congress with a coalition of reformers and businessmen to get their agenda back in the public eye:

The Campaign to Fix the Debt, founded by Erskine Bowles and former Sen. Alan Simpson, on Thursday will announce a dramatic increase in its drive to mobilize corporate and grass-roots support for Congress to make tough choices on the rising federal debt, including paid advertising and a growing movement in the states.

The group has raised more than $35 million since July, from corporations, CEOs, foundations and individuals. …

A Fix the Debt official said the campaign will be launching more state chapters in the the next few weeks. Chapters exist now in Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Washington and Wisconsin.

“We [began] our paid advertising campaign on Wednesday, and this will include print, digital and outdoor,” the official said. “The basic message is: ‘Our national debt is getting in the way of America investing in and excelling at so many of the things that make us great. Unless we come together as a nation to fix it, the situation is only going to get worse. That’s why the bipartisan Campaign to Fix The Debt is committed to finding a solution to this urgent problem. Learn more at www.FixTheDebt.org.’”

Bowles writes in the Washington Post today that the US needs a deficit deal now, not down the road:

The American people spoke on Tuesday, and they voted for a continuation of divided government. With President Obama at the helm for four more years and a strengthened Democratic majority in the Senate, and with the Republicans decidedly in control of the House of Representatives, both sides may now feel emboldened to pursue their party’s preferences. Rarely has it ever been this clear, however, that elected leaders from across the political spectrum need to come together to address our nation’s rising federal debt.

Unlike previous times, when there may have been many months or even years for officials to continue fighting long-standing policy battles, important decisions need to be made in the next two months to address the “fiscal cliff.” In a way we have never seen before, both sides will have to move beyond contentious electoral politics and come together in the spirit of good governance to replace the abrupt and mindless spending cuts and tax increases set to take effect Jan. 1 with a gradual and intelligent deficit reduction plan.

National Journal reports that some in Congress, primarily Democrats, have discounted the notion of a “cliff” altogether.  They argue that the timeline is less important than the policy, and that anything broken by the delay can be fixed later with retroactive language:

Call it bravado, or even recklessness. Some Democratic lawmakers stare at the fiscal cliff and wager that jumping off it might not be so bad. Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., has urged her party to play tough on the cliff—a combination of year-end tax hikes and automatic spending cuts—to force Republicans to accept higher tax rates on the wealthy. She said last summer that a plunge would be preferable to a deal “that throws middle-class families under the bus.” A few GOP deficit hawks say they, too, would take the leap if that were the only way to tame the deficit.

Suddenly, somehow, this represents an increasingly influential line of thought among analysts and writers. The argument is that Congress could at least partially cancel out the hikes and cuts retroactively in 2013, so there’s no need for a deficit-reduction deal during the lame-duck session. The cliff is a “bad metaphor,” and missing the deadline by a “week, a month, or even a couple of months” would not cause an economic calamity, Jonathan Chait wrote in New York magazine. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, agrees: “You’re going to take a step off the cliff, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to hit bottom,” he says, adding that the economy would be no worse off a year from now.

That’s an awfully risky proposition. Today, the fragile economy is still not firing on all cylinders. In the third quarter this year, it posted a modest 2 percent growth rate. Legislators may like the idea of putting off negotiations until 2013, thinking they’ll have more leverage after the inauguration if their presidential candidate wins. But this political gamble has economic costs: Even a short jump off the cliff, say economists, could send the country back into a recession.

If all of the Bush-era tax cuts expire and the full array of “sequestration” cuts take effect, they would lash a roughly $600 billion drag to the economy during 2013 if those policies were left in place all year, according to the Congressional Budget Office. True, nobody expects the cuts to remain in place all year, and the shaken financial markets might finally jolt Congress into striking a deal. But the psychological damage if lawmakers head home for the holidays without averting the cliff could have lasting effects.

Bowles also rejects the idea that Congress can postpone dealing with the fiscal cliff:

Going over the fiscal cliff would mean allowing a massive and immediate cut to nearly every major government agency and activity, including those vital to our national security or economic growth. It would mean a large and immediate tax increase on nearly all Americans, not just the highest earners. It would mean a double-dip recession at a time when the economy is still very weak and many Americans are struggling to find work.

But simply punting on the fiscal cliff and continuing to add to the debt would be an even bigger mistake. It would show markets we cannot put our financial house in order. Instead of using this moment as leverage to score political points, our elected leaders should seize the opportunity to finally address the long-term imbalance between government spending and revenue, and to prevent a future debt-induced economic crisis.

I agree with Bowles on this point.  Markets have a significant psychological element, and the loss of confidence could prompt the devaluation of American securities.  We might end up with another credit downgrade on top of the one suffered last year, which would eventually make borrowing more expensive, worsening our deficits rather than improving them.

So, we need action immediately.  The question will be what kind of action.  John Boehner once again offered to accept a compromise that resulted in higher revenues rather than rates, presumably through comprehensive reform of personal and corporate taxes.  That’s an area that has always been fruitful for bipartisan compromise, with the election probably the only real barrier that stood in its way as both parties hoped to push the other out of the bargain altogether.

Otherwise, thanks to the lack of responsibility from the Democratic Senate over the last three-plus years, the only budget reform plans on the table are Simpson-Bowles and the Ryan plan.  I prefer the Ryan plan, but at least the Simpson-Bowles plan offers some measure of improvement over the status quo, even if some of the components are unpalatable.  Voters endorsed the status quo in political leadership, though, which means both sides will have to give on some items in order to solve the problem.  Perhaps Democrats in the Senate could give us a budget as a starting point, but they’d better do it quickly, or let’s start off with Ryan or Simpson-Bowles.

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Nope. It is my sincere hope that we allow Obamacles to get everything he wants. The US Republic as constituted has devolved into a suicide pact for people who love freedom time to see what comes next.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Does it include raising the minimum wage to $30/hr, because that is the only way I will support this.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

The Wall Street types who kept the market up despite the fact that it was based on Ben Berkake’s funny money need the medicene an empowered Jugears is gonna give.

They are worth millions I am worth hundred thousands and I cared more about their freedom to do business than they did b/c they decided ‘screw it bottom line right now YAY!”

I’m gonna lose more political and personal freedom this term they’re gonna lose my vote caring about their prosperity.

Let it burn

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

no one cares.

rob verdi on November 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The return of Simpson-Bowles?

Dream on Ed, Obama is and always has been working the Cloward-Pivens Strategy for all he is worth. He isn’t going to stop, because his plans have not born their full fruit yet.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Does it include raising the minimum wage to $30/hr, because that is the only way I will support this.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

30/hour hell why not 1500/hr?

The JEF is about that retarded on economics let’s wish our way to prosperity.

We elected an a**hole who is gonna refuse to unlock about a quadrillion bucks worth of shale.

So dream on dreamers the unicorn is in the mail.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Dream on Ed, Obama is and always has been working the Cloward-Pivens Strategy for all he is worth. He isn’t going to stop, because his plans have not born their full fruit yet.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Exactly.

The “moderates” allowed Bambi Choom to get power again and fellas he has NEVER cared what the voters wanted he has always cared about what he wanted.

Have fun see you in the gulags.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

These two are still fools.

BullShooterAsInElk on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

John Boehner once again offered to accept a compromise capitulate.

davidk on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

The “moderates” allowed Bambi Choom to get power again and fellas he has NEVER cared what the voters wanted he has always cared about what he wanted.

Have fun see you in the gulags.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

davidk on November 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Where did I read that SB’s had larger tax increases then even what Obama was asking for?

WisRich on November 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM

They won’t pass a budget this won’t happen either

Let the dems own this

cmsinaz on November 8, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Have fun see you in the gulags.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

See you in the Breadlines first.

portlandon on November 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Head games……all resulting in growing power in DC for the new benefit givers to the TEATER MAJORITY

Disgusting Beyonces.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA — yeah, right. Like Obama cares. He’s got more flexibility now.

The Rogue Tomato on November 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I am pretty much at the point of saying let it all burn and lets rebuild from the ashes. Its not like we will be able to save anything with the party of free crap in charge.

Wolftech on November 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

President Obama want the Defense cuts and the tax cuts to expire.

Let them.

Point out it is what the President wanted, what he got and now he can live with it and so can the rest of America.

If you don’t like it, then you might ask the MFM why they didn’t cover it during the election where the electorate could have made a choice based on it. They didn’t, Obama has it and now let him have it.

No I don’t like them. But until the US gets a good, hard and nasty taste of what Obama wants, they will not sour on him, the MFM or his backers. America – you voted for this and this you shall have.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Have fun see you in the gulags.

harlekwin15 on November 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Don’t forget to bring your own potato and I got dibs on the bottom bunk… o_O

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

They won. Status quo!!

gatorboy on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I’m find myself agreeing with Patty Murray, let’s go over the cliff. It will be the only way the dumba$$’s who voted for Obama will see what their votes caused.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I have faith in the President. If he can do a photo op with Chris Christie after a natural disater, he can do anything.

SAZMD on November 8, 2012 at 12:03 PM

30/hour hell why not 1500/hr?

Exactly. It would make all of us millionaires, and Obama could tax everyone and create a fabulous surplus in a year. Maybe less.

Think big!

Kraken on November 8, 2012 at 12:04 PM

If you don’t like it, then you might ask the MFM why they didn’t cover it during the election where the electorate could have made a choice based on it. They didn’t, Obama has it and now let him have it.

No I don’t like them. But until the US gets a good, hard and nasty taste of what Obama wants, they will not sour on him, the MFM or his backers. America – you voted for this and this you shall have.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Which is why my Blog is dedicated to exposing the Fifth Column Treasonous Media Mendacious Malfeasance. Andrew Breitbart was 100 percent right when he said that the Fifth Column Treasonous Media was America’s most dangerous enemy.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

What a joke. Obama and the democrats won’t do anything about spending. Their entire political power is based on giving people money and stuff. If they stop they’ll be no reason to vote democrat anymore.

darwin on November 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Everyone needs to be patriotic and pay more in taxes!! Let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone, remember they were only for the rich anyway.

txmomof6 on November 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Bishop…
You’re a piker.
UAW minimum…at least….with benefits!
/s

dirtengineer on November 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

ajacksonian on November 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

I agree completely and have been sayibg so for the past two days. The TEA Party should take up the mantra of not bailing out Obama on this, let taxes go up on everyone, let the cap gains go up to where Obama wants, and let the defense cuts happen. We will go into a recession, but who cares it’s better than the alternative of making Obama a hero.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Good and hard, give it good and hard to the people who asked for it.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Simpson-Bowles won’t happen as long as Dingy Harry runs the Senate Congress.

Steve Eggleston on November 8, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Bishop…
You’re a piker.
UAW minimum…at least….with benefits!
/s

dirtengineer on November 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Sorry, I was “union” for exactly one week out of my entire life so I have no idea what the current scale is, but I agree, match it to the UAW for everyone.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 12:10 PM

I’m find myself agreeing with Patty Murray, let’s go over the cliff. It will be the only way the dumba$$’s who voted for Obama will see what their votes caused.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Me too. I have TM’ed the slogan “You voted for this sh!t azzholes, now suck it!” I plan on a big rush for T-shirts and bumper sticker sales.

VegasRick on November 8, 2012 at 12:10 PM

No… Let’s go off the fiscal cliff.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Solving the fiscal cliff is nothing more than a “bailout” for Obama

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Enough of this debt jibber jabber.

Where do I pickup my free birth control?

matd on November 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

I feel like the parent of a 14yr old who snuck out in the middle of the night, took the car for a joy ride, and finds out about it as they are just about to run a redlight with oncoming traffic. Our country has no clue what is about to hit and I have no idea what I can do to stop it. Maybe if they survive the collision they will learn a lesson, but I am not so sure and the car will be wrecked regardless.

txmomof6 on November 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Gotta go get more Jack Daniels, cheese and ring bologna.
I want to see this with a good buzz on.
We’re prepared to abandon ship and move to a deep red.
Hell, FEMA can’t handle Jersey and NY….what will they do when the Blues all explode? Oh; I forgotabout those 1.2 billion rounds of ammo.

dirtengineer on November 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America voted for Obama. Give them their $1M tax bracket that the majority of them voted.

WashJeff on November 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

PALIN and McCain vote total from 2008…….would have beaten Obama 2012!!!!

Think about that.

Why?

What is the difference in those two totals……..mmmmmmm

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Pappy…
Hows about them eeelektronic voting machines?
Votes in the ether….wher’d they go?

dirtengineer on November 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Eh who cares. Let’s do this. Hit the gas.

SirGawain on November 8, 2012 at 12:20 PM

What is the difference in those two totals……..mmmmmmm

PappyD61 on November 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I know you won’t like the answer………….Palin

derft on November 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

I know you won’t like the answer………….Palin

derft on November 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

And if that is honestly the answer, then we deserved 100 percent to lose, and to lose our country.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Politico reports that the two co-chairs haven’t left the job, even though the President abandoned the project.

Is Attack Watch! still accepting ***tips***?

pain train on November 8, 2012 at 12:25 PM

And do I get Free Sh!t® for reporting them?

‘Cause I wants my Free Sh!t®!

pain train on November 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM

txmomof6 on November 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Sometimes you just gotta let your kids make a mistake and learn from it. Real life failures mean more than hypothetical realalities.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:28 PM

no matter what happend the republicans in the house will be the ones who will take all the heat for this

give them the discontinuation of the Bush tax cuts
for all people paying taxes

then the guy looking out for the middle class from the bottom out will be torn apart limb by limb

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I think Repubs need to Coward-Piven the Dems. Overwhelm them with compromise. Give them everything and more on raising taxes. More stimulus? Sure! Cap gains should be 40% at least! Presidents jobs bill? You got it! Do it all. Let them rotate the yes votes btwn all the House members for every bill. Give em enough to pass it, everyone else abstain. Then go fast & hard on hearings and subpoenas on F&F, green boondoggles, Benghazi, foreign donations to the campaign, etc.

Then sit back and watch the economic prosperity of Obamanics and the wisdom of the 52%!!!

JAM on November 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Give the electorate what it wants. Free stuff for everybody! Weeeeeee!

It doesn’t matter what anyone wants at this point. When the economy goes bust, and it will, the Obamanites are going to burn it all down when they miss their first welfare check. It’s not so much a matter of if that happens but when.

HotAirian on November 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Enough of this debt jibber jabber.

Where do I pickup my free birth control?

matd on November 8, 2012 at 12:14 PM

At the nearest Catholic hospital. Or else.

Lily on November 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Zero wants to raise taxes on the rich and to cut the military so badly that he will accept sequestration if he has to. Ideally, taxes would only be raised on the rich, and at least one more tax bracket would fall off the bottom of the scale, with a some more EIC added for good measure. If the House won’t give him that, he will opt for sequestration to force the issue.

I am so sure that the economy and markets will be adversely impacted in the short term, that I have put my money where my mouth is. I sold a sizable chunk of stock in my 401K two weeks ago in anticipation of a market crash. I will get back in when it reaches the bottom just like I did in 2007/2008.

If you can’t stop Zero’s lunacy, you might as well make money off it (as tax-advantaged as possible).

stvnscott on November 8, 2012 at 12:34 PM

The subheading “Cliff divers” made me think of something:

Thelma and Louise.

Passenger(Obama) “Let’s keep going”
Driver(voter) looks puzzled
Passenger “Go!”
Driver “You sure?”
Passenger “Yeah…”

Driver floors it(votes Obama) and car(economy/country) goes flying over the cliff…

End of story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z88U915uq8

jjjdad on November 8, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Everyone needs to be patriotic and pay more in taxes!! Let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone, remember they were only for the rich anyway.

txmomof6 on November 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

I agree

only 2 problems

the government will squander it on ever increasing reckless spending

the economy will completely go in the tank

they want it, make them own it
Jesus help us!

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The guy won on governing from the left. Now he is suddenly going to shift to the right? Instead it a ruse to convince you for a short time it will not be that bad. Dirty Harry Reid is pushing to raise the debt limit. It is just a ruse.

maddmatt on November 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM

the issue with ending the Bush tax cuts is that this has to happen for “all” people

Obama says they are evil, let him remove them for “all”

audiotom on November 8, 2012 at 12:38 PM

And if that is honestly the answer, then we deserved 100 percent to lose, and to lose our country.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

.
I would like to agree with you…..but I don’t know anyone other than Sarah be thy Name – who talked about taking on the corruption in our DC political world – and changing the crony career politician culture in DC.

These USED to be important values. Didn’t hear a peep about this in the General Election conversation.

Nope, and we lost to McCaskill who’s been funneled $40 million to her husbands interests.
Maybe Sarah shoulda gone after Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

The pressure is high from the unions to vote for Obama, so if you are a union guy you may be totally turned off from voting.

You might find these were Hillary voters?

And you have to presume that the things Romney DID articulate, The economy, Obamacare, taxes don’t apply to them? They don’t think Obamacare hurts them, because they have not seen it yet, and they get their healthcare from…their union.

And then we might presume, they don’t have the internet to read up on what they missed, a certain age group is not as good at that.

Fleuries on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Simpsons Bowles is a kids cereal with marshmallow Bart and Lisas

Slade73 on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Which is why my Blog is dedicated to exposing the Fifth Column Treasonous Media Mendacious Malfeasance. Andrew Breitbart was 100 percent right when he said that the Fifth Column Treasonous Media was America’s most dangerous enemy.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I enjoyed your blog. A summary list of all of your conspiracy theories would be nice to have on your blog. You fit in well with the crowd at Hotair.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

The pain of going over the cliff will be felt most by Obama voters; lower income earners, union workers, and the Wall Street psuedo intellectual types who want bailouts.

Those of us who work hard, own our own businesses, and save our money will feel less pain.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

The voters voted for it…then let them have it. I’m prepared to weather the storm…CAAAANNONBALLLL!

nextgen_repub on November 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Who cares? I dont anymore. The american people proved they dont. The millions ojkf conservatives who sat out the election dont care. Give Obama everything he wants. Stimulus, bills, regulations, anything he wants. I am gonna sit back and watch it go to hell.

Jack_Burton on November 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

Give the ‘rats everything but add more to the pile.

If the rats ask for a $10 minimum wage, demand that it be $20 or no deal.

If the rats ask for a 5% hike in income taxes, demand it be a %30 hike or no deal.

If the rats ask for a $50 billion cut in military spending, demand a $200 billion cut instead.

Then watch as Reid and the rest of the morons cavort like rodeo clowns trying to explain why they can’t do any of those things while being asked “Why not, don’t you care?”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Also don’t raise the debt limit when it comes up in Dec.-Jan.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I enjoyed your blog. A summary list of all of your conspiracy theories would be nice to have on your blog. You fit in well with the crowd at Hotair.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

One day reality will b.itch slap you to death, then you will realize, there are no conspiracy theories on my blog. Of course it will be too late for you then.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Sorry Ed, none of us care about saving the greedy idiots from themselves any more! Gee… $600 billion in government cuts… GOOD! Let them go into effect! Let taxes rise, let businesses (and tax revenue) collapse, let it turn into a 3rd world sh*t hole… because only by going through the darkness will the people turn back to God and we will see prosperity again. We are only trying to hold back the ocean, delaying the inevitable. Better to accelerate the collapse, and those of us who are armed… pick up the pieces and start over.

To h*ll with the Demonrats… its what they want anyways!

dominigan on November 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

ABSOLUTELY AGREE! It’s time to point out the insanity in their politics by amplifying it for all to see!

dominigan on November 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Yeah… I’m for that as well.

Illinidiva on November 8, 2012 at 12:51 PM

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I enjoyed your blog. A summary list of all of your conspiracy theories would be nice to have on your blog. You fit in well with the crowd at Hotair.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM
One day reality will b.itch slap you to death, then you will realize, there are no conspiracy theories on my blog. Of course it will be too late for you then.

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Don’t worry, Zippy will be the first to get his layoff notice and we will be the first to laugh. Sadly I just don’t feel compasion for the idiots anymore.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

She said last summer that a plunge would be preferable to a deal “that throws middle-class families under the bus.”

Sure Patty, because that plunge wouldn’t have a negative impact on middle-class families at all – it would only impact the evil wealthy.

Hill60 on November 8, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I agree, give the moronic 50% exactly what they want…..I have the resources to watch this from a lawn chair as the unwashed masses go berserk when the free cheese runs out. Idiots.

David in ATL on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Don’t worry, Zippy will be the first to get his layoff notice and we will be the first to laugh. Sadly I just don’t feel compasion for the idiots anymore.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Don’t you have to have a job before you can get laid off?

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Fiscal cliff?

Please Brer Bear, don’t throw me into the brer patch!

Anything but that!

Sinner on November 8, 2012 at 1:10 PM

8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in America voted for Obama. Give them their $1M tax bracket that the majority of them voted.

WashJeff on November 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

The reason is that so many “Rich” people vote for democrats is because they really do not pay a lot of taxes despite that they advocate higher taxes… These “Rich” democrats use every possible loophole under the Sun to avoid paying higher taxes… So Even if their tax rate goes up to 50% and they themselves advocate for this tax rate of 50% they do everything possible through tax loopholes created to them by the democrat Congress to pay as low as they are paying now…

The democrats are the masters of hypocricy, tell their lunatic base that they are going to tax the rich people and in return their lunatic base would be happy for forcing the rich to pay their “fair share” and at the same time these same democrat politicians give the rich people who most of them vote democrat every tax loophole to pay much less taxes… By doing so they get the votes from their lunatic base and the money contributions from the rich democrats… Of course their lunatic base is too stupid to realize this and probably they do not care as long as the party leader are give them the red meat rhetoric of taxing the rich…

John Boehner is advocting closing the “tax loop holes” this is the worst things that would happen for the Rich democrats by closing the “tax loop holes” they will be forced to pay much higher taxes than they are paying now and without the need to increase their tax rate… John Boehner is just exposing the hypocricy of the the liberal politicians the rich limousine liberals…

mnjg on November 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I’m sure Ed is sitting there reading these comments with his jaw on the floor. I’m curious Ed if you knew that so many of us conservatives are this fed up and ready to give them the taste of destruction that they crave so badly…

dominigan on November 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I’m sure Ed is sitting there reading these comments with his jaw on the floor. I’m curious Ed if you knew that so many of us conservatives are this fed up and ready to give them the taste of destruction that they crave so badly…

dominigan on November 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I think these types of thoughts cross the mind of every conservative from time to time, even the ones that blog here…

J.H. on November 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Don’t you have to have a job before you can get laid off?

SWalker on November 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I have a great job..I make Obama-phones.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Does it include raising the minimum wage to $30/hr, because that is the only way I will support this.

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Wait, that means I would have to work? What are you some kind of feudal Lord? I want a guaranteed livable income whether I work or not!

Daemonocracy on November 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Oh, and I think the House might as well embrace Simpson-Bowles and shove it in both Obama and Reid’s face. It’s his own commission which proposed it!

Daemonocracy on November 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I’m sure Ed is sitting there reading these comments with his jaw on the floor. I’m curious Ed if you knew that so many of us conservatives are this fed up and ready to give them the taste of destruction that they crave so badly…

dominigan on November 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Having every Republican vote “present”, making a public spectacle out of it, and forcing Obama and the morons who voted for him to own his agenda would be ideal, but I worry about older family members who might not survive an economic collapse.

Daemonocracy on November 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Having every Republican vote “present”, making a public spectacle out of it, and forcing Obama and the morons who voted for him to own his agenda would be ideal, but I worry about older family members who might not survive an economic collapse.

Daemonocracy on November 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Wouldn’t it just be easier to accept a 2% tax increase on people who make over a 250,000 dollars/year?

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

ouldn’t it just be easier to accept a 2% tax increase on people who make over a 250,000 dollars/year?

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Why?

tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Give the ‘rats everything but add more to the pile.

If the rats ask for a $10 minimum wage, demand that it be $20 or no deal.

If the rats ask for a 5% hike in income taxes, demand it be a %30 hike or no deal.

If the rats ask for a $50 billion cut in military spending, demand a $200 billion cut instead.

Then watch as Reid and the rest of the morons cavort like rodeo clowns trying to explain why they can’t do any of those things while being asked “Why not, don’t you care?”

Bishop on November 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

They should also make sure that with their tax hike they also eliminate any deductions for income over $100,000 per year. Because at some point you have made enough money, and $100,000 is as good as any other point and a nice round number. Who can’t live on $100,000 a year?

Lily on November 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

A summary list of all of your conspiracy theories would be nice to have on your blog. You fit in well with the crowd at Hotair.

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Who are the former Bush or Reagan operatives with network news anchor jobs like Clinton and Carter operatives Stephanopolous and Brian Williams now have?

The Count on November 30, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Wouldn’t it just be easier to accept a 2% tax increase on people who make over a 250,000 dollars/year?

ZippyZ on November 8, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Wouldn’t it be easier if Obama just ignored the 8 days of government spending that 2% of revenues would pay for and tackle entitlements – the actual drivers of the debt?

The Count on November 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM