Quotes of the day

posted at 11:07 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

[T]he “Romney would have lost anyway” argument neglects the fact that his dismal performance among Hispanics made the race unwinnable. Even if we accept Krikorian’s view that the Hispanic vote only mattered in Florida and Nevada, when you add those states to the already solid blue states, it means spotting Democrats 236 electoral votes. All Obama or any Democratic candidate would need to get over the top at that point would be to win Michigan and Pennsylvania — two states that have gone Democratic every year since 1988. Failing that, Democrats would have multiple other combinations to get over 270. In contrast, a Republican who lost those states could still lose the election even if he or she won all of the reliably red states in addition to North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa and Wisconsin.

Again, this analysis is conservative. In 2004, Bush carried New Mexico with 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, but this year the state wasn’t even in play. Also, Hispanics made up 14 percent of the electorate in Colorado, providing Obama with his margin of victory there. Add Colorado to the Democratic fold, and the electoral math becomes even more daunting for Republicans.

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Senate Democrats are planning to quickly revisit immigration reform after President Barack Obama’s inauguration, according to several Democratic sources.

What type of legislation they will end up pushing has yet to be discussed in detail. But the party feels emboldened by Tuesday’s election results, in which Republicans suffered a blistering defeat among Latinos. And there is a sense that the political landscape couldn’t be more ripe for a legislative topic that’s proved dicey in the past…

“I think [Republicans] are going to want to do it now,” Schumer said. “[It] is at the top of the list because the nation demands it and needs it. And, again, I think in the exit polls, two-thirds of Americans basically agreed with the concept of real immigration reform.”

He’s right: Americans in general, even Republicans, support immigration reform more than the congressional GOP would suggest. Sixty-five percent of voters support giving undocumented immigrants working in the U.S. a path to legal status, including 37 percent of Republicans, according to exit polls.

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Via Pew.

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Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”…

The speaker also revealed that comprehensive, bipartisan immigration overhaul would be a top priority of his agenda during the 113th Congress.

“This issue has been around far too long,” he said. “A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.”

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Immigrants should be a natural GOP constituency. Newcomers to the U.S.—legal or illegal—tend to be aspiring people who believe in the dignity of work and self-sufficiency, and they are cultural conservatives. They are not the 47%. Republicans are also supposed to be the folks who have figured out the law of unintended consequences, such as that imposing ever-tighter border controls discourages the millions of illegal immigrants living in this country from returning home…

We understand the law-and-order issues at stake, particularly along the border, as well as questions of fairness in allowing illegals to jump the immigration queue. But the right response isn’t mass deportation—as politically infeasible as it is morally repulsive. It’s a rational, humane, bipartisan reform that broadens the avenues to legal immigration, both for those abroad and those already here…

No doubt this editorial will provoke letters denouncing us for being soft on the issue. Now is an opportune time to ask those disapproving readers how many more Tuesdays like this one they’d care to repeat?

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The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants. In securing the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney made the strategic error of (unnecessarily) going to the right of Rick Perry. Romney could never successfully tack back.

For the party in general, however, the problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.

I’ve always been of the “enforcement first” school, with the subsequent promise of legalization. I still think it’s the better policy. But many Hispanics fear that there will be nothing beyond enforcement. So, promise amnesty right up front. Secure the border with guaranteed legalization to follow on the day the four border-state governors affirm that illegal immigration has slowed to a trickle.

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If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election…

The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

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Fox News’ Sean Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday that he’s “evolved” on immigration and thinks undocumented immigrants without criminal records should have a “pathway to citizenship.”…

“We;ve got to get rid of the immigration issue altogether,” he said. “It’s simple to me to fix it. I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here. You don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, it’s first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done, whatever little penalties you want to put in there, if you want, and it’s done.”

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cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Still Mourning in America. I hate to be a downer, but…

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Greetings amigos!

We’re trying to form a new party that will rival the DemonRats that have overtaken the land.
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We’ll be a Big Tent movement, hellbent on beating the ‘Rats at engineering America’s downfall to a 3rd world Banana Republic!
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voila: Banana Republicans!!.
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The “Rats use “quantitative easing” to slowly wreck our economy. We’ll use “damn the torpedoes” easing to wreck the entire WORLD economy!!!
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Lazy white voters and “Evolving” conservatives are prime targets for our revolucion, and Sean Hannity is now fair game.
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We’ve also targeted has-been dimwit, I mean fearless leader Joe Biden, who will require a slight name change to fool the masses. We want foreign sounding names, and Joe’s needs to sound more French.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Grand Dragon Joe Bidet!
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With the Banana Republicans there are no morals, no principles, and everything is F-R-E-E!! WE GIVE AWAY EVERYTHING AND STAND FOR NOTHING!!
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viva la revolucion!!!!
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Come, join the Banana Republican P-A-R-T-Y!!!!!!!
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R U eeeeeen?

Sweet_Thang on November 9, 2012 at 7:32 AM

So dear leader is going to make a statement that Congress has to fix the fiscal cliff

SSDD

Leading from behind

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:32 AM

You’re not alone OC

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:33 AM

MaiDee on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 AM

The GOP has a huge messaging problem and until that’s ‘fixed’ not much will change, no matter what demographic group they try to court.

Good grief, when there’s still people searching Google asking “who is running for president” the WEEK BEFORE the election, you know you’ve got a problem.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/20027882/2012/11/07/america-asks-google-whos-running-for-president

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 7:41 AM

Isn’t it cute how quickly all the ‘comprehensive reform’ people miss that the last amnesty included provisions to secure the border… that were NEVER EVER DONE?

Excuse me, just how gullible are these people?

Instead of providing goodies, freebies and keeping the border unsecured lets, as our southern neighbor does along ITS southern border, put in decent border security and heighten enforcement internally, FIRST? Because no government, anywhere on this planet, is denied the right and the responsibility to secure its borders. We aren’t talking about nomads walking in the desert tending to goats, here. Although it appears that is what the amnesty first, enforcement NEVER people are all about.

So how about some proof that the federal government can actually DO ITS JOB THAT IS GIVEN TO IT and UPHOLD the FIRST AMNESTY by carrying through with its sworn DUTY?

Or is that just a tad too complex for comprehension?

ajacksonian on November 9, 2012 at 7:42 AM

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM

They’re not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

DrMagnolias on November 9, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Well was talking with the wife last night
about where she wants to go this summer
I told her .. no blue states … we are spending
our money in areas that think and vote like we do
if we leave NC … it will be to our neighbor to the south …
SC – Myrtle Beach … or maybe Mississippi ….
I am certain they will appreciate the business.

conservative tarheel on November 9, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Still Mourning in America. I hate to be a downer, but…
OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Morning exercise at the gym is what picks me up in the morning. I do all my morning hot air commenting on my iPhone while on the machines. Im using the hip adductor as I tap this message. I even bring my own remote to change the tvs from msnbc to fox. There’s a real b here who freaks out when the tv is on FNC, and it cracks me up every time she sees it. Anyway, the morning workouts help the mood so much. I read a very good piece at ace of spades earlier that put things in perspective and uplifted me. Will try to find the link.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM

Thought this was a cleverly presented commentary on the election:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334779.php

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Good for you bluegill
:)

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:56 AM

MaiDee on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Yup , why are so many following the The Pied Piper off the cliff.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:56 AM

As I said in an earlier comment, the GOP has a ‘messaging’ problem.

We’re Already Learning the Wrong Lesson

It’s the day after and the knives are already out. “We lost because Romney was never a true conservative.” or “We lost because the tea party didn’t show up.” or “We lost because… blah blah blah.”

Here’s the reality: Everyone pointing the finger at who “lost” is asking the wrong question. The right question is “What won?”

Small, petty politics won. More specifically, our inability to combat small petty, politics won. We are an ideological movement. We have principles we hold on to. The left simply does not. They hold no truths to be self-evident. They have no moral compass. They will lie, cheat, and steal for their movement. We will not.

What won last night was marketing. What won last night were communications strategies. Our ideology didn’t lose. Our ideology was never heard. It was drowned out by a media more focused on gotchas and Big Bird and binders and feeding a narrative created by the masters of marketing: Obama For America. The media won’t allow an ideological battle because every time they do, they lose.

That’s it. There was no ideological shift in this country. More than half the country couldn’t tell you what the hell “ideological” even means. THAT’s the problem. We fought an ideological battle when they were fighting an American Idol contest.

So stop the finger pointing. Stop the “I told you sos.” We didn’t lose the election. Marketing won the election. And we’d better figure out how to outdo the marketing machine fast or it is really really over.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Thought this was a cleverly presented commentary on the election:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334779.php

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:53 AM

The difference is that liberals has the media to undermine any sanity and cover up the insanity.

While GOP smuggly shit on their own voters.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Obama Wins 8 of the Nation’s 10 Wealthiest Counties

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 7:54 AM

But I read on Hot Air that only shiftless “takers” voted for Obama, not wealthy job creator types.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

Ten best educated states vote Obama.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Yup , why are so many following the The Pied Piper off the cliff.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 7:56 AM

We would have won that election but 3-5 million of our voters, who had voted for McCain, sat home.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 8:04 AM

And I read on Hot Air that only the rich and “wealthy” voted for Romney.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:06 AM

Obama Wins 8 of the Nation’s 10 Wealthiest Counties

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 7:54 AM

But I read on Hot Air that only shiftless “takers” voted for Obama, not wealthy job creator types.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

John Kerry, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are not poverty stricken, nor are they numerous. They have to get the votes from somewhere, and that is where the free phones, food stamps, welfare and government jobs come in.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 8:07 AM

BTW, the LA man who made that YouTube video that we know for a FACT had nothing to do with Benghazi was sentenced to a year in jail Wednesday — no one in the MSM or the Left cares

Of course they don’t care. Did the Soviet media report on the Gulag? Did Stalin’s supporters object to it? They are a cog in the machine, part of the system that is committing these kinds of crimes.

Shay on November 9, 2012 at 8:09 AM

If you want to join the Obama/Democrat Biforcated world then leave the Republican Party and sign new voter registration cards as Democrats!

Republicans believe in the Constitution and economic freedom. Democrats believe in almost nothing and economic serfdom!

We need to hold firm to principles and say no to the left!

If we loose an election here or there so be it.
Loosing our Country is NOT an option!

Social reform…NUTS to that!

Delsa on November 9, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Appears that nation-wide Romney carried the “affluent” vote, 53-47.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Ten best educated states vote Obama.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Transgenders Through Time majors and graduate students working towards PHD’s in Womyn’s Cultural Bias voted overwhelmingly for Barky?

Man, that one caught me off guard.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Morning exercise at the gym is what picks me up in the morning.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM

still trying to look like Sarah, you’re gonna have to work harder than that:)

ohm and btw, hows the romney love this morning?

does he still make your heart dance? LOL.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 8:16 AM

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

How is your sis … have been away since tuesday …. so I am sorry if I missed
any news ….

conservative tarheel on November 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM

Dems now the Party of Minorities
60% of the white vote went to RR. With 62%, we would have won.
That’s why it was a huge mistake of RR not to emphasize the immigration issue, vocally and in ads discussing how fertile illegals are swamping this country. That would have run the white vote up a few points and it would then have been a RR landslide. And yet few Hispanics would have changed their vote, and don’t think that suddenly giving amnesty [AND THE VOTE] to countless millions of Mexican citizens in this country will, as Hannity of all people seems to be saying, will make the “issue go away.” NOT. Suddenly the calculus changes and we then would have to have the Repubs be a socialist party in order to get votes as the white vote would shrink dramatically. The Dems would easily maintain the presidency and garner super nmajorities in congress. Single payer, and 5% yearly redistributive wealth taxes would be the first order of the day as a means of redistribution of assets from the wealthier whites to the minorities, de facto. This will destroy our economy and country, but the redistribution will benefit the minorities for a couple of decades until there’s nothing left to redistribute. And the Hispanic voter bloc would after amnesty be 20% of voters and be growing fast and would demand that Mexicans be given free rein and be able to immigrate and become citizens at will. No effective borders. Mexico would uspurped America; it’s that easy for them if we give amnesty now. NO, if we give amnesty now we are done, and so is the country as we’ve known it, taken over from the inside out. Hannity and Krauthammer are off their rockers.
There’s no way we win this through amnesty. Instead, we need to institute E-Verify, and illegals will “self-deport.” But for now Romney lost. If we give amnesty, they of course will demand more and more leniency with border control and further immigration. The more Mexican “Americans,” the more Mexican will come. In no way would we gain “strict border controls” for amnesty, it would lead to the opposite. The Republican’s only option at this point is to increase their share of the white vote. Stick to our guns on immigration, and make that clear, then we can increase our white vote. Otherwise, NOT!

anotherJoe on November 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Of course they don’t care. Did the Soviet media report on the Gulag? Did Stalin’s supporters object to it? They are a cog in the machine, part of the system that is committing these kinds of crimes.

Shay on November 9, 2012 at 8:09 AM

Hold on now, they used to care and it’s improper to remind them of their hypocrisy, unfair even, probably racist and homophobic too.

Now see here, when Dubya killed little brown people it was a crime against humanity, when Bark gives the order to ice an American citizen it’s good and proper.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

We need a candidate who will say over, and over, and over …

“Government is not the solution to the problem, Government IS the problem.”
listens2glenn on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

No you don’t. You had one. Two, in fact. And then you mocked them while supporting people who favor big government. The only person you’re lying to is yourself.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

And I read on Hot Air that only the rich and “wealthy” voted for Romney.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:06 AM

Yeah, that’s me all right!

Who would’ve guessed that 49% of the country was rich and wealthy?

Saw a guy on fb yesterday crowing that Obama had won by “a couple of MILLION votes,” so Amnerica had “overwhelmingly rejected Romney.” I guess that’s what has become of pubic education, that a difference smaller than the size of metropolitan Phoenix constitutes an overwhelming rejection.

Eren on November 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Transgenders Through Time majors and graduate students working towards PHD’s in Womyn’s Cultural Bias voted overwhelmingly for Barky?

Man, that one caught me off guard.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM

Just out of curiosity, how how many Transgender and Womyn’s studies majors do you think there are out there? I’ve never met one.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM

We do not need “Comprehensive” Immigration reform.
What we need to do is enforce the Immigration Laws on our books.
We have already seen what giving people things for fee produces. Rewarding illegal behavior is not the way to go!

We have to get rid of mush minds like Boehner and elect people with an appreciation for our Constitution and a willingness to protect our boarders.

I can’t believe Republicans are thinking this way. They are Obama light!

I for one am sick of it! We lost because a Conservative fiscal message was not put forward. Romney, a fine man I voted for, was not able to deliver the message.

Obama is all about fair and equal and…..BS
We talked of Obama phones, EBT aka food stamps, Section 8 housing, WIC, and on and on.

Now we want to give away American Citizenship along with the phone?

NO WAY!

If Congress does this “comprehensive” crap the country is gone and welcome Chavez!

Delsa on November 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM

ohm and btw, hows the romney love this morning?
does he still make your heart dance? LOL.

I have the utmost respect and appreciation for everything he and his family did in order to try to help the country. We need more people like them. I feel emotional about their sudden abrupt departure from the spotlight, but I know they can feel the love and thanks from all the people who voted for him.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Just out of curiosity, how how many Transgender and Womyn’s studies majors do you think there are out there? I’ve never met one.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM

That’s a darn good question, but looking at the data of college grads who can’t a job beyond Starbucks, then comparing it to various college major offerings, then comparing all of that to the fact that good blue collar jobs are going unfilled due to lack of applicants, all I can say is: Too Many.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:25 AM

If Congress does this “comprehensive” crap the country is gone and welcome Chavez!

Delsa on November 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM

I can’t believe Boehner is out there talking like he’s ready to capitulate on this issue.

We just lost an election where 3-5 million of our base, people who had voted for McCain, stayed home. And the GOP leadership responds to that by angering and alienating the base even more!

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 8:26 AM

conservative tarheel on November 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM

She’s recovering from her surgery with no problems. Thank you for asking.

I guess that’s what has become of pubic education, that a difference smaller than the size of metropolitan Phoenix constitutes an overwhelming rejection.

Eren on November 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Math is hard for liberals. Example A) The boy king promising to cut the deficit in half during his first term, instead he increased it by over $4 trillion.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Isn’t John Boehner in the House in a position to fight implementation of Obamacare by de-funding it? Does anybody think he will do it? I don’t. He already stated today that Obamacare is the law of the land.

Perhaps it’s time for a conservative party. I’m serious.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Benghazi. F&F. Impeach. Stalemate. Stalemate is better than losing, right?

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM

I can’t believe Boehner is out there talking like he’s ready to capitulate on this issue.

We just lost an election where 3-5 million of our base, people who had voted for McCain, stayed home. And the GOP leadership responds to that by angering and alienating the base even more!

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 8:26 AM

I’m gonna repeat myself again. Start calling today or next week. And keep calling. Your congressman, senators, Boner, McConnell. It made the difference in 2007. I’m just glad we got one of the good guys elected with Cruz. He said in an interview with Telemundo no less, that he would deport all the dreamers who got the Obama amnesty. That takes some guts for a Cuban to say that to a Mexican tv station.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Funny that, how voting has consequences, your point was well taken, and this fact remains from this election, that as every military member did or did not vote, they did so with the direst of consequences possible with the outcome, meaning they were literally voting for their life. The irony of that hits you like a ton of brick don’t it!

MarshFox on November 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM

That’s a darn good question, but looking at the data of college grads who can’t a job beyond Starbucks, then comparing it to various college major offerings, then comparing all of that to the fact that good blue collar jobs are going unfilled due to lack of applicants, all I can say is: Too Many.

Bishop on November 9, 2012 at 8:25 AM

All those weird degree types go into academia or get into law school (art history majors marry well).

Wasn’t your best girlfriend Sandra Fluke a Gender Studies major? With that Georgetown Law degree, she’ll be a member of the 1% in five years.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:44 AM

. I even bring my own remote to change the tvs from msnbc to fox. There’s a real b here who freaks out when the tv is on FNC, and it cracks me up every time she sees it. Anyway, the morning workouts help the mood so much. I read a very good piece at ace of spades earlier that put things in perspective and uplifted me. Will try to find the link.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM

I’m starting to really like you.

Cindy Munford on November 9, 2012 at 8:45 AM

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM

I live in an area with a number of both private and public universities, and every single one offers degrees in Women’s Studies and in some derivation of Queer Studies. There are entire “academic” associations dedicated to them. So apparently, more than a few.

DrMagnolias on November 9, 2012 at 8:47 AM

…short of citizenship with full border security. Wow, where have we heard that before? Building the fence is just election talk, always has been. Make English the official language only and no more ballots in all the foreign languages. That would get my vote. Learn it or leave.

Kissmygrits on November 9, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I’m gonna repeat myself again. Start calling today or next week. And keep calling. Your congressman, senators, Boner, McConnell. It made the difference in 2007. I’m just glad we got one of the good guys elected with Cruz. He said in an interview with Telemundo no less, that he would deport all the dreamers who got the Obama amnesty. That takes some guts for a Cuban to say that to a Mexican tv station.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Because your comment needs to be repeated.

We picked up a new Tea Party backed Congressman here in Florida too, Ted Yoho.

And may I also add that WE need to start holding the media accountable for their dereliction of duty.

Call them out, in emails, social media, phone calls, letters to the editors, public protests in front of their television studios and newspaper offices.

And most importantly, contacting their advertisers to inform them you will no longer purchase their products and services until THEY put pressure on the outlets their advertising with to – start reporting the news – as it is, not as they want us to think it is.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I live in an area with a number of both private and public universities, and every single one offers degrees in Women’s Studies and in some derivation of Queer Studies. There are entire “academic” associations dedicated to them. So apparently, more than a few.

DrMagnolias on November 9, 2012 at 8:47 AM

I’m sure there are. I’m just suggesting that the number of students majoring in those disciplines is relatively trivial.

And, to be sure, I’m in favor of these and other impractical majors. College shouldn’t necessarily be a trade school, and there is value in studying Amazonian tribesmen, Byzantine sculpture and closeted gays in 9th Century monasteries.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

I even bring my own remote to change the tvs from msnbc to fox. There’s a real b here who freaks out when the tv is on FNC, and it cracks me up every time she sees it.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:50 AM

That is hilarious.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 8:56 AM

We do not need “Comprehensive” Immigration reform.
What we need to do is enforce the Immigration Laws on our books.
We have already seen what giving people things for fee produces. Rewarding illegal behavior is not the way to go!

We have to get rid of mush minds like Boehner and elect people with an appreciation for our Constitution and a willingness to protect our boarders.

I can’t believe Republicans are thinking this way. They are Obama light!

I for one am sick of it! We lost because a Conservative fiscal message was not put forward. Romney, a fine man I voted for, was not able to deliver the message.

Delsa on November 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM

Cognitive dissonance. Another example of so-called conservatives saying one thing, but then doing another. Quit complaining. You’re supporting and voting for the very thing you supposedly oppose.

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Hannity must be off his rocker. Reagan tried that and it didn’t work out so good for the country. If he couldn’t get that done, then the current (fill in the blank) leader of the repubs won’t either. Why does he think that will make the Hispanics suddenly fall in love with the R party anyway? They’ve already got what it takes to live comfortably given to them by the dems, what good is a piece of paper that says citizen on it going to do.

Kissmygrits on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Hannity must be off his rocker. Reagan tried that and it didn’t work out so good for the country. If he couldn’t get that done, then the current (fill in the blank) leader of the repubs won’t either. Why does he think that will make the Hispanics suddenly fall in love with the R party anyway? They’ve already got what it takes to live comfortably given to them by the dems, what good is a piece of paper that says citizen on it going to do.

Kissmygrits on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Are you starting to get the idea that the people you think are conservatives aren’t really conservatives?

Dante on November 9, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Hey, here’s a novel idea, almost every state in the country has groups like Hispanic Republicans of Texas.

Why doesn’t the national GOP and the Republican Party apparatus in the states, especially those with a large Hispanic population, start pumping some money and resources to these Hispanic Republican organizations to enable THEM to reach out to the Hispanics that are legally able to vote?

btw, those organizations also accept donations from private citizens, IYKWIM.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 9:22 AM

small l libertarian, always was. “If it neither break my leg nor pick my pocket, I care not”.

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Even better from T. Jefferson: “We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.”

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 9:30 AM

All the pundits who claim that Republicans just need to do a better job of messaging, and that the Republican party is the “natural home” for Hispanics because they’re mostly Catholics and have strong family values are only fooling themselves. Much like Anglos, young Hispanics seems to be moving toward secularism and away from traditional values. And the polls show that those who identify as Catholics voted in large numbers for Obama. Capitulating on amnesty is not going to make Hispanics any more likely to vote Republican.

Syzygy on November 9, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Hannity must be off his rocker. Reagan tried that and it didn’t work out so good for the country. If he couldn’t get that done, then the current (fill in the blank) leader of the repubs won’t either. Why does he think that will make the Hispanics suddenly fall in love with the R party anyway? They’ve already got what it takes to live comfortably given to them by the dems, what good is a piece of paper that says citizen on it going to do.

Kissmygrits on November 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM

No, we lost them, just like we lost the blacks, and for much the same reason. You don’t leave your date at the dance for someone else.

The dunces who promote the concept we have now of illegal aliens (as in “we should round up all those guys standing out in front of Home Depot and send them home”) have damaged conservatism — for their position flies in the face of the individual rights for which conservatism has always stood. That concept of individual rights was what drove Lincoln to oppose slavery, and which also drove him to denounce the nativist party (the Know Nothings) of his day — the guys who would restrict immigration to those who look and act like them.

These illegal aliens in our land will have legal children, and those legal children will vote Democrat — for generations — in spite of the fact that they otherwise are conservatives, for, in the end, all politics are personal. You diss my mommy, and I diss you.

When I hear other conservatives tell me “well, it’s the law” or “what part of illegal alien don’t you understand?” I say that I understand the concept of the just law and the need to ignore unjust ones (or, in a democracy, repeal them) just as our forebears who ran the Underground Railroad (deliberately disobeying the Fugitive Slave Law) understood things had to be.

We Republicans tend to be law abiding citizens, but we do understand the need to ignore unjust laws. Why, look at the fight going on about the freedom of conscience restrictions of Obamacare — aren’t we fighting tooth and nail against them? Given a choice, will you yield and buy the abortions the Democrats want you to buy?

We’re afraid of being overrun by people who don’t think like us or talk like us — it’s why we lost the Asian vote — another natural set of conservatives. They remember the Alien Exclusion Acts and the Chinese Exclusion Acts and what those did to their forefathers and, in spite of the fact that those laws were built by Democrats, and in spite of the fact that Executive Order 9066 (putting citizens of Japanese ancestry into concentration camps) was an FDR Democrat construct — it’s now the Republicans who are tarred with the nativist and discriminatory labels that all of these stains on our history comprise. And we’ve done it to ourselves — the Democrats didn’t have to say a word.

Of course, that fear of nonassimilation is unjustified — look at generations 2 or 3 of every wave of immigrants — indeed even huge hunks of generation 1. They understand the American Dream, even as some of us would deny it to them. They remember, and they will vote against us, even if it damages other things they hold dear.

That’s the problem of having only two parties — for each of them has to oppose the other on nearly every issue — and we are on the wrong side on this one.

unclesmrgol on November 9, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Well, the Hispanics are demanding that he follow his promises and give amnesty to all the illegals.

He is in a win win situation. If he does nothing, they have no second act, and he can claim that ‘they’ are stopping him.

If the Republicans play along, the can blame them for not doing everything and promise the rest. The Republicans will get nothing from reaching out, just as Bush got nothing for his pains, in a similar situation on the civil rights extension.

What no one talks about is the illegals take potential jobs from the bottom, which is mostly poor and black. No one cares about that.

As to assimilation, check out CA or NV or well anywhere and then tell me to my face that you would like to live among them.

Denver Bob on November 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM

I live in Texas and the overwhelming majority of Hispanics that I’ve met would prefer a job to welfare. This is the way republicans will win hispanics because democrat big government programs kill jobs. They are in favor of border enforcement because if it is easy for people to cross the border than it is also easy for terrorists to cross the border.

philrat on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Schadenfreude, going to be out a couple of weeks. I think you are familiar with whom I refer to as, “The Finest Man I Ever Knew”. The SAR is remembering him in ceremony. He and his lineage were here when the country was formed, fought for it and all subsequent generations served in all the wars since. It is a special week for our family. See you on my return. I may post if I can. I just won’t be paying too much attention. Certainly not enough to hold a conversation with anyone. ; ) Keep em straight.

Bmore on April 9, 2014 at 12:06 AM

…I should have checked earlier

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Bmore on June 1, 2014 at 6:16 PM

P.S. If you want to email me let me know. Use a fake addy.

Bmore on June 1, 2014 at 10:24 PM

…got it!…will have to look where I have my throw a ways…I always use double entendre’s…been banned twice already…and zipped off an email “with the other example” and was reinstated before anybody knew it.

KOOLAID2 on June 1, 2014 at 11:18 PM

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Bmore on June 3, 2014 at 5:28 PM

…hi Bmore!…my dad got banned by Ed yesterday (;-<)
I've warned you a couple of times about this kind of comment:

…Phuck off! Lowlife!
KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM

So yes, you were banned. We've got better things to do than issue warnings that get ignored

JugEarsButtHurt on June 17, 2014 at 11:50 AM

I see that. Others might have as well. I am trying to find a new gulch and a method for telling the people of the gulch how to get to it. ; )

Bmore on June 17, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Use b9′s addy. She left it out for you on the returns page. Even if there is a problem. b9 is my friend.

Bmore on June 18, 2014 at 9:48 PM

…will do…my dad had me leave a message on your cats piece of work.

JugEarsButtHurt on June 19, 2014 at 2:56 PM

…and now the comment is gone!…There is a clean cat tray!

JugEarsButtHurt on June 19, 2014 at 11:10 PM

This thread is now dead. I will never return to it. Do not ever post here again. ; )

Bmore on June 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM

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