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posted at 11:07 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

[T]he “Romney would have lost anyway” argument neglects the fact that his dismal performance among Hispanics made the race unwinnable. Even if we accept Krikorian’s view that the Hispanic vote only mattered in Florida and Nevada, when you add those states to the already solid blue states, it means spotting Democrats 236 electoral votes. All Obama or any Democratic candidate would need to get over the top at that point would be to win Michigan and Pennsylvania — two states that have gone Democratic every year since 1988. Failing that, Democrats would have multiple other combinations to get over 270. In contrast, a Republican who lost those states could still lose the election even if he or she won all of the reliably red states in addition to North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa and Wisconsin.

Again, this analysis is conservative. In 2004, Bush carried New Mexico with 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, but this year the state wasn’t even in play. Also, Hispanics made up 14 percent of the electorate in Colorado, providing Obama with his margin of victory there. Add Colorado to the Democratic fold, and the electoral math becomes even more daunting for Republicans.

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Senate Democrats are planning to quickly revisit immigration reform after President Barack Obama’s inauguration, according to several Democratic sources.

What type of legislation they will end up pushing has yet to be discussed in detail. But the party feels emboldened by Tuesday’s election results, in which Republicans suffered a blistering defeat among Latinos. And there is a sense that the political landscape couldn’t be more ripe for a legislative topic that’s proved dicey in the past…

“I think [Republicans] are going to want to do it now,” Schumer said. “[It] is at the top of the list because the nation demands it and needs it. And, again, I think in the exit polls, two-thirds of Americans basically agreed with the concept of real immigration reform.”

He’s right: Americans in general, even Republicans, support immigration reform more than the congressional GOP would suggest. Sixty-five percent of voters support giving undocumented immigrants working in the U.S. a path to legal status, including 37 percent of Republicans, according to exit polls.

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Via Pew.

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Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”…

The speaker also revealed that comprehensive, bipartisan immigration overhaul would be a top priority of his agenda during the 113th Congress.

“This issue has been around far too long,” he said. “A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.”

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Immigrants should be a natural GOP constituency. Newcomers to the U.S.—legal or illegal—tend to be aspiring people who believe in the dignity of work and self-sufficiency, and they are cultural conservatives. They are not the 47%. Republicans are also supposed to be the folks who have figured out the law of unintended consequences, such as that imposing ever-tighter border controls discourages the millions of illegal immigrants living in this country from returning home…

We understand the law-and-order issues at stake, particularly along the border, as well as questions of fairness in allowing illegals to jump the immigration queue. But the right response isn’t mass deportation—as politically infeasible as it is morally repulsive. It’s a rational, humane, bipartisan reform that broadens the avenues to legal immigration, both for those abroad and those already here…

No doubt this editorial will provoke letters denouncing us for being soft on the issue. Now is an opportune time to ask those disapproving readers how many more Tuesdays like this one they’d care to repeat?

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The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants. In securing the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney made the strategic error of (unnecessarily) going to the right of Rick Perry. Romney could never successfully tack back.

For the party in general, however, the problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.

I’ve always been of the “enforcement first” school, with the subsequent promise of legalization. I still think it’s the better policy. But many Hispanics fear that there will be nothing beyond enforcement. So, promise amnesty right up front. Secure the border with guaranteed legalization to follow on the day the four border-state governors affirm that illegal immigration has slowed to a trickle.

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If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election…

The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

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Fox News’ Sean Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday that he’s “evolved” on immigration and thinks undocumented immigrants without criminal records should have a “pathway to citizenship.”…

“We;ve got to get rid of the immigration issue altogether,” he said. “It’s simple to me to fix it. I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here. You don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, it’s first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done, whatever little penalties you want to put in there, if you want, and it’s done.”

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The real GOP plan should be to give Obama all the tax hikes he wants. End all Bush tax cuts, raise capital gains tax, raise a gas tax, an electricity tax, a Hollywood tax.

… Then they should refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Win win.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Dems no longer have the house to sacrifice.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM

Senate + Weak GOP going along with Dems

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:12 AM

you may be right…obamacare did send a signal, something about breaking a few eggs to make an omelet

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM

That author is having a moment. There’s been far too much gnashing of teeth. This was a status quo election, and the status quo is gridlock and uncertainty. There were no demographic waves. Obama won by about 100,000 votes in each of five states. That’s nothing. That’s a rounding error. That’s an ORCA fubar. Stop torturing yourselves and giving into the memes that the Left is nicely teeing up for you.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Obamamnesty is the Obamacare of the second term. Guaranteed 80% democratic vote from the newly minted Americans from south of the border (Obmamericans). Free health care and citizenship courtesy of Obama! Democratic presidents for the next 28 years. 8 years of Hillary Clinton, then 8 years of Michelle Obama, and then 8 years of Chelsea Clinton.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 2:23 AM

America is borrowing a trillion dollars a year for the free stuff Obama is giving away already. Obamacare alone will add over a trillion in new taxes over the next year (in the middle of a recession with 14% real unemployment no less).

The baby boomers are retiring now in large numbers. Social security payments will double, triple and quadruple the deficit. Americas credit rating will bottom out. US bonds will be reduced to junk status. Lenders (banks and other countries) will stop lending the US money. The Obama era free stuff giveaways will stop.

Forever.

Hillary Clinton will either declare martial law, or get overthrown by the military. Welfare, social security, Obamacare, food stamps and Sandra Flukes birth control (assuming she hasn’t caught a disease by then… or by the end of this week at the rate she’s going) will all be gone. The only funds the US government is able to scrape together by this point will be used to maintain the military that keeps the former United States at a level of order that slightly exceeds Mogadishu. There will be an upper class of bureaucrats and state apparatchiks that will live comfortably, and with democrats being the party in power when it all went to hell, they will likely be people who were once democrats but by then the labels will mean nothing. They’ll be part of a corrupt ruling elite in a broke ex-superpower who pretends to hear the cries of an afflicted people.

You won’t be one of them though. You aren’t highly placed enough in the democrat hierarchy. You’re just some anonymous schmuck posting crap on a political blog.

Alberta_Patriot on November 9, 2012 at 3:18 AM

Senate + Weak GOP going along with Dems

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

We held off the weak GOP last term, we can do it again. There certainly aren’t more squishes in office this time, and there are some very very good Paulian reps coming into office.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:18 AM

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 2:23 AM

HA! I haven’t laughed so loud in a long time. You are truly delusional. We’ve got some really entertaining trolls these days.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:19 AM

That author is having a moment. There’s been far too much gnashing of teeth. This was a status quo election, and the status quo is gridlock and uncertainty. There were no demographic waves. Obama won by about 100,000 votes in each of five states. That’s nothing. That’s a rounding error. That’s an ORCA fubar. Stop torturing yourselves and giving into the memes that the Left is nicely teeing up for you.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:16 AM

I’m not giving in. I’m saying we should fight this every step of the way. I’m just concerned that Boehner already appears to be capitulating.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:20 AM

Sez who? You and bluegill don’t represent all conservatives.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM

I think if the Bush Amnesty uproar is anything to go by you are the odd man out, not them.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:57 AM

Exactly. Do you not recall the 2006 midterm slaughter? Trust me, the base didn’t just sit home because of Iraq War fatigue or the deficit spending. That amnesty push by McCain and other Republicans infuriated conservatives. I know it’s been 6 years, but I remember vividly how PO’d people were and how the phones were ringing off the hook in DC.

Why would it play out any differently this time? Obama never ran on amnesty. He hardly mentioned it in the 2012 campaign. And he won with a much smaller percentage of the vote than he did 4 years ago which is rare for an incumbent who’s reelected. So it’s not like dude has much of a mandate, certainly not on an issue like immigration reform. Tax hikes, maybe. But not this.

The Republican leadership needs to chill the F out. Stop listening to the media or misinterpreting exit polls. We heard the same crap 4 years about how the electorate had changed and how the Republicans were the old white guy party whose time had passed. Well we now have more elected Latinos than the Democrats. We’ve elected 2 Indian-American governors. We’ve elected blacks to the House. We had a 42 year-old VP candidate(this after having a 44 year-old female VP candidate last time). We’re not the old white guy party anymore. The key is to communicate that to the electorate between now and 2016.

The GOP needs to first focus on the fiscal cliff which is the most important issue facing them. Then just wait for Obama’s policies to inevitably tank the economy which is already starting to happen incidentally. Their stock might be low today, but that can change very quickly once the voters turn on the Dems if they realize the people currently in charge are mishandling the economy after being given a second shot at it.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

We get millions every year from all over the world. Legally.

There’s millions of illegal acts being committed in this country everyday. I don’t know why there is all this fake moral outrage over this particular type of “law breaking”. It has to stop.

I’m an immigrant myself and I did it the legal way, waiting for my turn and starting from the back of the line. Even I’m ready to give these people a break. I don’t think living in the shadows and working as janitors and fruit pickers is exactly “living it up”. These people have paid the price and endured quite a bit just to have a chance to become a part of this great experiment in freedom called America. It’s not just about the free stuff.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:18 AM

Hope you’re right because I believe we can still survive but if we pass amnesty.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:22 AM

50 or a 100 million Chinese agree.

When do you let them in?

Heck why do we even have borders at all? Do we want to deny them liberty? Oh, the humanity!

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM

But hasn’t America always greeted the Chinese with open arms just like any other industrious immigrants?

Oh, wait. Now I remember…

DarkCurrent on November 9, 2012 at 3:22 AM

Figures the RINOs running Hot Air would peddle the fraudulent meme that it was demographics / ‘lack of GOP inclusiveness’ which triggered the loss.

rayra on November 9, 2012 at 3:23 AM

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM

some months ago i tried to put an estimate on the time that the US could continue doing what we’re doing.

I came up with 5 years. Europe will go thru hell…but could well end up a more unified, sound bunch of countries. There are pluses in the eu. If that happens, then capital will flow there…same with china (although less certain)

so when the capital flows elsewhere to make a return…that’s it. The bond markets will be selling treasuries quickly to get the hell out of dodge. I don’t think the current state is stable…someone is going to break out.

if mitt had been elected there may have been a chance that we would have been the winners. now….not so sure

but, whatever..my guess is 5 years

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:24 AM

So in sum, I believe the GOP should roll over on taxes (end Bush tax cuts for all) and hold firm on amnesty. Taxes will be the bipartisan accomplishment for the next 4 years.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:25 AM

The real GOP plan should be to give Obama all the tax hikes he wants. End all Bush tax cuts, raise capital gains tax, raise a gas tax, an electricity tax, a Hollywood tax.

… Then they should refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Win win.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

I like it.

DarkCurrent on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 AM

That amnesty push by McCain and other Republicans infuriated conservatives

I say again, sez who? How do you know they were real “conservatives”? Just because someone is anti-immigrant doesn’t make them a conservative. Michelle Malkin and her army of anti-immigrants don’t speak for everyone. The author wrote that even 37% of Republicans want immigration reform, that is not a small minority.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 AM

There’s millions of illegal acts being committed in this country everyday. I don’t know why there is all this fake moral outrage over this particular type of “law breaking”.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

[speaking slowly] Because our country cannot assimilate large numbers of immigrants quickly. No country can. Take a quick look at Sweden and France and see how their immigrant communities are faring. We put annual limits on immigration so that we don’t have endemic poverty and riots the way they do. A country cannot offer a social safety net and simultaneously let anyone in who wants to come. It’s called bankruptcy. Read Milton Friedman. He knew all about this stuff.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 AM

That amnesty push by McCain and other Republicans infuriated conservatives. I know it’s been 6 years, but I remember vividly how PO’d people were and how the phones were ringing off the hook in DC.

It wasn’t just Republicans either. A lot of Democrats and independents were ticked off as well.

Why would it play out any differently this time? Obama never ran on amnesty. He hardly mentioned it in the 2012 campaign. And he won with a much smaller percentage of the vote than he did 4 years ago which is rare for an incumbent who’s reelected. So it’s not like dude has much of a mandate, certainly not on an issue like immigration reform. Tax hikes, maybe. But not this.

It may play out differently with the compliant GOP and an Obama who doesn’t care what people want, but it will be a fight.

The GOP needs to first focus on the fiscal cliff which is the most important issue facing them. Then just wait for Obama’s policies to inevitably tank the economy which is already starting to happen incidentally. Their stock might be low today, but that can change very quickly once the voters turn on the Dems if they realize the people currently in charge are mishandling the economy after being given a second shot at it.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

I am not that convinced that the GOP isn’t simpatico with the Democrats on a lot, if not most issues. Some are not but I don’t trust the leadership at all.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:27 AM

So in sum, I believe the GOP should roll over on taxes (end Bush tax cuts for all)

This I agree with 100%. Fighting with Dems over taxes is a bigger losing battle than even immigration. There’s no point to keep fighting over it, it doesn’t gain anything for Republicans one way or the other.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:28 AM

I’m an immigrant myself and I did it the legal way, waiting for my turn and starting from the back of the line.

Good for you.

Even I’m ready to give these people a break.

I would expect you to be more interested in doing that than I. I’m not at all interested in that.

I don’t think living in the shadows and working as janitors and fruit pickers is exactly “living it up”.

Show me statistics that a large number of illegal immigrants are janitors and fruit pickers. I just don’t believe you, not the least because there is no fruit to pick in my neck of the woods but tons of illegal immigrants.

These people have paid the price and endured quite a bit just to have a chance to become a part of this great experiment in freedom called America. It’s not just about the free stuff.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

They didn’t do it the right way. they didn’t subject themselves to the annual limit of immigration that we can sustain on a long term. I have zero intention of rewarding that behavior. They can continue to live in the shadows for all I care, that is the life they chose to live.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:30 AM

But he bombed in the debates(meds?) AND he lost me with the “heart” comment. I felt he was too squishy on immigration.

If we want to do some pandering then do it the old fashioned way. Speak a few spanish phrases on the stump. Go to some parades. Have a photo opp eating a torta. Praise the legal hard working Mexican immigrants and talk about how rich the Mexican culture is and how it helped shaped our country like the irish, jewish, chinese, italian, polish … Why do we have to go all the way to amnesty for illegals in order to appease the legal Mexicans here?

BoxHead1 on November 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Yeah…I saw the look on his face when he said that.

Perry looked shocked over it because the attack was vehement and shortsighted.

Texans voted for that because we lost the Supreme Court Case.

It was a practical idea to test and see if it would save the state money. It also helped contain the La Raza disease infecting the southwest from California.

Kinda like throwin a bone…politically for Texas it was successful and is up for consideration in the next session.

By the time folks on that stage started shouting about walls in rivers…Perry looked completely baffled…

A lot of Texans thought the GOP was nuts.

Notice that Newt didn’t jump on that idiotic bandwagon and in fact he defended Gov. Perry because he knows the issue better..he knew Reagan.

It’s real simple folks.

2 solutions.

1. Go full NAZI and round them all up and ship them out while that plays on TV.

2. Find a solution,secure the border and win them to our side…and quit saying it’s pandering because we do this for other groups all the time and some we don’t.

The USA is the beacon to the world…right?

We need to be honest about all aspects of it to solve it.

Well we have to have a functional system that we can enforce…ad we have to have security.

If it were up to me…I’d give notice.

I’d make illegals pay a “I cheated and snuck into America…My Bad Tax” for a few years.

I’d make them pay a percentage tax for years for social services they got.

I’d let the young ones serve in the military to earn citizenship…I’d make the older ones perform community service like cleaning up the trash on the Coyote trails.

If they bought phony papers I’d do a plea deal to break the criminal network.

Jail and deport the criminals.

I’d get Mexico to build a prison on the border…and have a texas chat with our southern neighbor so they quit dumping their illegals on us. GITMO on the border.

I’d start with stuff like that and make them either earn it or I’d seize property and deport.

I’d quit giving Cubans special treatment.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM

1. Go full NAZI and round them all up and ship them out while that plays on TV.

2. Find a solution,secure the border and win them to our side…and quit saying it’s pandering because we do this for other groups all the time and some we don’t.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM

3. Make life difficult for people who aren’t supposed to be here and they’ll leave. The crappy economy has been great for opponents of illegal immigration; they simply aren’t coming anymore.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:34 AM

[speaking slowly] Because our country cannot assimilate large numbers of immigrants quickly. No country can. Take a quick look at Sweden and France and see how their immigrant communities are faring. We put annual limits on immigration so that we don’t have endemic poverty and riots the way they do. A country cannot offer a social safety net and simultaneously let anyone in who wants to come. It’s called bankruptcy. Read Milton Friedman. He knew all about this stuff.

Valid point, which is why we need immigration reform, so the borders can be sealed, REALLY SEALED, for good. And we’re not going to get it no matter how much we bitch and scream unless we’re willing to give in a bit and allow these people, WHO ARE ALREADY HERE ANYWAY, a path to legal citizenship.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:34 AM

2. Find a solution,secure the border and win them to our side…and quit saying it’s pandering because we do this for other groups all the time and some we don’t.

Nailed it.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:35 AM

Because our country cannot assimilate large numbers of immigrants quickly. No country can. Take a quick look at Sweden and France and see how their immigrant communities are faring. We put annual limits on immigration so that we don’t have endemic poverty and riots the way they do. A country cannot offer a social safety net and simultaneously let anyone in who wants to come. It’s called bankruptcy. Read Milton Friedman. He knew all about this stuff.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Both of those countries park them in ghettos and in Sweden the police are too afraid to enter said ghettos.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:36 AM

1. Go full NAZI and round them all up and ship them out while that plays on TV.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM

How is sending back illegals to their own country the act on a Nazi regime?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:37 AM

This is hilarious. From Ace

http://minx.cc/?post=334801

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Hilarious. Yet the public perceives Conservatives and the GOP as a bunch of old, white men. The funniest people out there are Conservatives.

None of liberals is reading Ace or watching Greg Gutfield and the Red Eye Ab News.

Kyle_Reese on November 9, 2012 at 3:38 AM

2. Find a solution,secure the border and win them to our side…and quit saying it’s pandering because we do this for other groups all the time and some we don’t.

As a Latino living in the barrio, knowing a lot of Latinos, I feel pretty confident in saying that the GOP will not be able to do that.

It was possible to do in the past, it is not now. GOP = Arizona, Alabama, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio. They will not support the GOP.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:40 AM

As a Latino living in the barrio, knowing a lot of Latinos, I feel pretty confident in saying that the GOP will not be able to do that.

It was possible to do in the past, it is not now. GOP = Arizona, Alabama, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio. They will not support the GOP.

You’re right, the GOP blew too many chances, but I don’t think it’s hopeless, especially if they appear to be the ones taking the initiative to get this comprehensive reform done.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:41 AM

The Latino media has always hated the GOP, but now they have prime examples of GOP cruelty to our people, and they juxtaposition that with Obama’s generosity. GOP cannot win the Latino vote anytime soon.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM

especially if they appear to be the ones taking the initiative to get this comprehensive reform done.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:41 AM

Latino media thinks Latinos have the GOP over the barrel right now. They’re not shy about this. They are blatantly saying it.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Because we are allowing them to be indoctrinated by white progressives that we hate them. We don’t fight for their souls…

Remember most came here wanting a better life and a job. You have to get them early and young. It is a propaganda war and we have to learn how to fight it.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

And surrendering on amnesty will somehow win their souls?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM

It’s called demographic political realites.

But hey…Ya’ll want Obama to be the new Reagan to Hispanics…ya’ll go right ahead.

It’s your doom cycle.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:43 AM

The Latino media is touting a new election rule: “No person can ever again with the White House without the Latino vote.” I am not kidding.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM

looks like Steve Schmidt and the leftists at nbc want to shut down rushbo….right…there’s no room for freedom anymore…

sign…the chi-coms have it so easy…it is really tooooooo bad that this country has to suffer with the rightwing nutjobs

either stfu or be leftist…like us!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/11/09/brian-williams-turned-steve-schmidt-election-night-tell-them-its-time-sh

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM

The real GOP plan should be to give Obama all the tax hikes he wants. End all Bush tax cuts, raise capital gains tax, raise a gas tax, an electricity tax, a Hollywood tax.

… Then they should refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Win win.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:15 AM

Agreed. That’s the compromise Boehner needs to make. Give Obama the tax hikes on people making 200 grand/yr or more. Obviously don’t make every House Republican vote for it. Have just enough cross over to allow its passage(just like Pelosi did with Obamacare).

This will obviously hurt the economy(especially with the Obamacare taxes and regulations kicking in at the same time). But Obama will get the majority of the blame and the 2014 midterms will be a bloodbath for the Democrat Party. Then Boehner and the GOP can start to flex their muscles once they’re facing a weakened White House and Democrat Senate.

And BTW, that also takes away a key issue for the Dems heading into 2014 and 2016. They can’t sit there and lament how the GOP favors the rich and refuses to make them pay their “fair share”….after the GOP raises taxes on the rich and asks them to pay their “fair share”.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 3:45 AM

The Latino media has always hated the GOP, but now they have prime examples of GOP cruelty to our people…

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Our people?

Who’s people do you mean?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Latino media thinks Latinos have the GOP over the barrel right now. They’re not shy about this. They are blatantly saying it.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM

They listen to Rush.

Texas will become California if conservatives don’t get smart…and that would be a big loss.

GOP lost Reagan’s California.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Our people?

Who’s people do you mean?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Using their terms to refer to Latinos.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:47 AM

The Latino media has always hated the GOP, but now they have prime examples of GOP cruelty to our people, and they juxtaposition that with Obama’s generosity. GOP cannot win the Latino vote anytime soon.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:42 AM

In other words… you want free stuff.

Paid for by people Obama took the money from (many of whom haven’t been born yet).

What are you going to do when Obama or his successors can’t scrounge up enough money to keep giving you free stuff? Who will you turn to when the democrats are just as “cruel” as the GOP?

These are not rhetorical questions. I would like to hear your answers.

Alberta_Patriot on November 9, 2012 at 3:47 AM

It’s your doom cycle.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:43 AM

The Democrats are there for anyone who wants that future. I see no reason to embrace it even if there is no hope to change that future.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:47 AM

but, whatever..my guess is 5 years

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:24 AM

I think it will be less than that.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:47 AM

They listen to Rush.

Texas will become California if conservatives don’t get smart…and that would be a big loss.

GOP lost Reagan’s California.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Obama was in Texas a few months ago, and told a crowd: “Texas will soon be a battleground state.” I think I know what he meant. If we lose Texas, that’s it. One-party rule.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:49 AM

1. Go full NAZI and round them all up and ship them out while that plays on TV.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM

How is sending back illegals to their own country the act on a Nazi regime?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:37 AM

That is how it will play on TV.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:49 AM

That is how it will play on TV.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:49 AM

No one has deported more immigrants and “Dreamers” than Obama. Any deportations in the next 4 years are also on him. Don’t sweat it right now.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:51 AM

Obama was in Texas a few months ago, and told a crowd: “Texas will soon be a battleground state.” I think I know what he meant. If we lose Texas, that’s it. One-party rule.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:49 AM

That is why Obama did Fast & Furious…destabilize the border…catch and release…

Illegal immigration was way down…so Obama needed to boost crime and numbers.

It’s a demographic ploy and it’s worked.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:52 AM

No one has deported more immigrants and “Dreamers” than Obama. Any deportations in the next 4 years are also on him. Don’t sweat it right now.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:51 AM

nah…he did that to scare them and then save them.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:53 AM

Good night folks

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 3:59 AM

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El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 4:10 AM

It’s not just about the free stuff.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

No, it’s just about free stuff and making hardworking Americans pay for said free stuff. Must be nice to sit around all day, have babies, collect a check, and be celebrated for it by half of the country — especially the glamorous part of the country that lives in Manhattan and Beverly Hills.

Some of us are just here to go to work everyday to pay for it all and come home, turn on the television, and hear about how we’re “ungrateful” and a bunch of “racist old white men” for trying to preserve some semblance of a functioning Western republic.

It also sucks to tune into the news at night, hear the drivel, and then see our youth in those Wounded Warrior ads hobble around on metal sticks and have their families try to care for them. And for what? So that some utter nobody in a land far, far away can buy Levi jeans, eat McDonald’s, and vote for some religious fanatic that we will have to come back and bomb at a later date.

It is really unbelievable what has happened to our country after twelve years of Obama-Bush.

You know, it’s completely tragic and I don’t blame some for sitting at home and not voting. They probably figured Romney was just another Bush being led by former Bush advisers to carry out the same policies: War, welfare, immigration, political correctness, and another John Roberts or two on the court to make it all possible.

Oh, and today we learn that George P. Bush, Jeb’s son, might be running for office in Texas.

I can hardly wait.

Punchenko on November 9, 2012 at 4:10 AM

If Romney had won 40% of the Latino vote, he would have still lost every single state he lost. He picks up nothing. If Romney wins 60% of the Latino vote, he still loses Ohio and Virginia and the election. Only 3 states would have been picked up.

The Latino vote was only 10% of the vote. with about half of that coming from 5 non battle ground states. It will only be 11% in 2016.

The establishment is pushing this narative because they are already pushing Jeb and his protege Rubio for 2016.

KMav on November 9, 2012 at 4:24 AM

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:21 AM

There is no way to say this without seeming rude, but if you think that America is simply about freedom, I don’t want you here, either. Societies have cultures, and need a unified culture into which newcomers assimilate. Latinos have not done a great job demonstrating that they are capable of that, of late. America was once a beacon and defender of Western civilization; “brown” peoples who come here have generally not been part of that tradition and do not seem to understand, recognize, or care about it. It may be about culture rather than race, but the people we are discussing come from a distinctly different culture and for the most part do not appear to have the slightest intention of changing that.

If you haven’t noticed, the West is now clinging to its identity by a thread because Europe, Great Britain, and America have been cowed by cries of “racism,” and rather than act like defenders of a great tradition, have decided to live out some fantasy that our cultures will not be fundamentally and irreparably damaged by as long as the people who want to come here take the proper steps–or hang out “in the shadows” long enough. So, we are now dealing with people who want free stuff and crow that white people will soon be outnumbered–the implications of that seem lost on Republican squishes who think that whites should simply shut up and cooperate as they are sold into economic slavery to people who come here for “freedom.”

DrMagnolias on November 9, 2012 at 4:42 AM

Arnold Ahlert has a great article -

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1112/ahlert.php3#.UJzQdGcjXJ4

” I have a suggestion for the Republicans, one they won’t hear from anyone else: give Barry and Company everything they want, without an iota of resistance. Let ‘em raise taxes and the debt ceiling, gut the military, and run up trillions of dollars of additional deficits and debt. Then stand back, and let an utterly corrupt media chronicle the demise–without being able to pin an ounce of the ensuing socialist catastrophe on an “obstructionist” GOP.

Harry Reid wants to end the filibuster? Tell him it won’t be necessary. For the next four years, Republicans will do what a certain Senator from Illinois made a career of doing: they will simply vote “present” on every bill put before them in both houses of Congress. In effect, give Democrats they same unassailable majority they had in 2008–the same one that led directly to the passage of ObamaCare. Any attempt to meet Democrats “half-way” is a fool’s errand. There is no split-the-difference, get along to go along, compromise that can be reached between tyranny and freedom. With respect to the rule of law and the Constitution, you’re either in or you’re out.A nation is either solvent or bankrupt. It is either exceptional or ordinary. The American majority voted for tyranny, bankruptcy and mediocrity.

Give the people what they want–until they can’t stand it anymore.”

VorDaj on November 9, 2012 at 5:05 AM

Sorry but I thought liberty is for all human beings, not just for a select few who by chance were born in a certain place?

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

tkyang99

On the contrary, it’s quite obvious you aren’t thinking at all.

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 5:09 AM

Sorry but I thought liberty is for all human beings, not just for a select few who by chance were born in a certain place?

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

tkyang99

Why not just pay the airfare for all of China to come here? And don’t forget all of Africa or that would be racist.

VorDaj on November 9, 2012 at 5:29 AM

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Nighty Nite, Fight On.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 4:10 AM

And the only way to get the “Latino” and “Latina” vote is to put Mexico above America and the rest of the world.

VorDaj on November 9, 2012 at 5:34 AM

Sorry but I thought liberty is for all human beings, not just for a select few who by chance were born in a certain place?

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

tkyang99

“A nation of immigrants” has long been a stick used to beat anyone opposed to unfettered immigration into submission. It’s stupid and tired, and I hope it’s as ineffective with other people as it is with me.

As for liberty and place of birth, liberty wasn’t handed to this nation–it was a long, harsh struggle. As Samuel Adams said, “The truth is, all might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they ought.” Let others fight for theirs just as our forefathers fought for ours. In other words, stay the hell home and do the work to make your country a beacon of liberty.

Yes, I’m fed up.

DrMagnolias on November 9, 2012 at 5:36 AM

Good Morning!

really pi$$ed about this iran and our drone

fox spent a great deal of time on it last night…mr cmsinaz and i watched nbc news and brian williams spokke on it for less than a minute…it finally dawned on him what the lsm has been doing by covering up for dear leader…

then i’m listenting to talk radio this am, and i can see that the war on women really worked…we have some REALLY GULLIBLE folks here in the us, they truly thought we were going to take away birth control and all these things…

it really boggles the mind what the sheeple will believe…

this country is going to be in a world of hurt

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 5:37 AM

It’s called demographic political realites.

But hey…Ya’ll want Obama to be the new Reagan to Hispanics…ya’ll go right ahead.

It’s your doom cycle.

workingclass artist

It’s called BS. Republicans received zero bump in Hispanic support from the Reagan amnesty. He passed amnesty in his final year in office, yet Bush 1 got a lower percentage of their vote in the next election than Reagan got in 2 elections before amnesty; 4 years later, Bush 1 got an even lower percentage; 4 years after that, Dole got the lowest support for a republican in 2 decades. But yeah, let’s do it again, seeing as how it worked so great the first time.

Believing amnesty is the solution is like saying “I’ll sell at a loss but make it up in volume!”

Texas will become California if conservatives don’t get smart…and that would be a big loss.

GOP lost Reagan’s California.

workingclass artis

Not just Texas. GOP leaders seem to think Romney’s loss was a mandate to turn the entire country into California, despite the fact that McCain managed to get 31% of the vote 4 years earlier. They jumped on this amnesty crap so fast, I swear it looks like it has been orchestrated for some time now. It’s almost like they knew the fix was in on the election.

By the way, here’s a thought, folks: Maybe Hispanics didn’t go for Romney for the same reason a lot of other idiots didn’t. I mean, if our own side didn’t even want to come out for the guy, why would we expect Hispanics to do it?

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 5:45 AM

amnesty….cripe

we’re going down the slippery slope in warp speed….

see you at the bottom

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 5:45 AM

after watching the news last night, i realized the lsm is going ot cover for him throughout the next term, these scandals will be swept under the rug to make sure the history books laud his wonderful 8 years as president…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 5:51 AM

Senate Democrats are planning to quickly revisit immigration reform after President Barack Obama’s inauguration, according to several Democratic sources.

forget about that pesky issue called jobs…

you own this dems…no whining from the voters who brought them back…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:06 AM

Good policy is politics, lets see what happens when the economic reckoning commences.

rob verdi on November 9, 2012 at 6:27 AM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 5:51 AM
How did you know I was going to write about that? My take.

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 6:33 AM

what a beautiful cocktail… mix one part high black unemployment….2 parts illegal immigrants……poor whites. want a sip? its called a race war.

this will not end well.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 AM

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 6:33 AM

just a feeling :)

excellent take once again kj

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:41 AM

Nothing makes sense with this election, nothing adds up and the math is fuzzy! Massive fraud and cheating in the swing states could explain it very easily. They knew the states they could lose in and they made sure they won them..just a theory

justonevictory on November 9, 2012 at 6:42 AM

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 AM

nope….

i’ve taken mojo hiatus until Ed returns on the show…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:44 AM

How did you know I was going to write about that? My take.

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 6:33 AM

Every lie that was told, was told with the express purpose of masking the inner corruption of the Politboro, or Government, of the Soviet Union, which in turn was designed to reinforce the pablum that they fed their working-class citizens, or the Proletariat.

Since the ascent to the presidency of William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, thanks to the New Media, it has become more and more apparent that the United States of America has a Pravda of its own: The Main Stream Media.

I wish I could claim that this is hyperbole but it really isn’t. Pravda at least had the fig-leaf of being forced by an authoritarian government to sell their souls. The mainstream media sold themselves both cheaply and willingly.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 AM

cmsinaz: can’t bear to watch either. who’s Ed?

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:47 AM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 6:45 AM

Exactly.

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:41 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 6:48 AM

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:47 AM

our Ed….Ed Morrisey :)

he did a fantastic job

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM

our Ed….Ed Morrisey :)

he did a fantastic job

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM

LOL? at least i knew it wasn’t ed schultz.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 AM

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:53 AM

*shudder*

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 6:55 AM

what a beautiful cocktail… mix one part high black unemployment….2 parts illegal immigrants……poor whites. want a sip? its called a race war.

this will not end well.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 AM

Yup.
Identity politics at it’s best. The liberals DID build that one and they own it.
The gang warfare will come first, then it will move into the general community.
The best will be when it gets to DC. We’ll get to see some real knock down- dragout brawls a la the Taiwanese and Koreans.

Jabberwock on November 9, 2012 at 6:56 AM

Good Morning all. I’m very disheartened, but the aftermath of the storms is keeping me occupied. So many people are homeless and/or without heat and power. We had another storm on Wed that dumped almost a foot of wet snow in some places, causing more power outages. But hey, you can buy a $600 generator for $1300.

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 AM

So sad for all of you who have suffered in the storm and it’s aftermath. What is needed most as we wanted to put a group together and bring those items to Staten Island etc…

justonevictory on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Just went through Newsbusters, and every media outlet is running a story talking about the GOP as the dying party of Angry, Old, White Men. The way these people talk, you would think we lost that election by 30 pts. They really want to completely destroy the Republican Party and achieve one-party rule. If they are so hungry for a totalitarian form of government, they should just have Barry issue an Executive Order disbanding the Republican Party and making it illegal to join any party but theirs. Then they would finally have their Soviet Union.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 AM

Hang in there NC :)

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM

give them time…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:03 AM

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 6:57 AM

Sorry to here of your struggles. Having gone through a few disasters myself, I know the issue. And it does get back to normal.
But fear not. Fair weather FEMA is just around the corner.

Jabberwock on November 9, 2012 at 7:03 AM

I was in the trenches on the great amnesty battle of 2006/2007. That’s when NumbersUSA really grew. Anti amnesty groups around the country faxed, called, went to state capitals, D.C. etc. And as someone posted above, it wasn’t just conservative republicans. There are alot of democrats that don’t want amnesty either. Cruz is anti-amnesty which is one of the reasons he got elected. Cornyn will be up for re-election soon. I went to one of his townhalls after the bill was defeated and people were lined up to thank him.

Excluding that amoeba Boner, some in the House have some spines. All I know is that I start calling today. Boehner’s office is the first on the list. Will it make a difference this time, I don’t know. Moochers & third worlders won’t bother to call/write/fax, but those passionate about it will (aka the Chick Fil Aers). If the laws had been enforced in 1986, we wouldn’t be in this predicament now. Amnesty will not get votes for the GOP. Stopping the invasion will.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 7:06 AM

You and yours are in my prayers, NC.

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 7:07 AM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:01 AM

I’m hanging in there, we had a working stove and hot water throughout. Now have full power, Internet, heat etc. I have some storm refugees coming over today to warm up, recharge & do laundry. I’m making tortellini carbonara for lunch.

Where do I go to pick up my Eagle Scout badge?

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 AM

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 AM

christie’s office :)

seriously, happy that you are safe and sound and able to help folks out…

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM

walked around a bit yesterday. remembered back in the days when being free meant something. no longer. being forced to buy healthcare is the first in a long line of steps to slavery.

i am really really bummed out. personally i’m ok. and from now on. thats what i’ll focus on. spouse, family and myself. the rest can go fly a kite.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM

I’m hanging in there, we had a working stove and hot water throughout. Now have full power, Internet, heat etc. I have some storm refugees coming over today to warm up, recharge & do laundry. I’m making tortellini carbonara for lunch.

Where do I go to pick up my Eagle Scout badge?

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:08 AM

At least it will be good experience for when we have to live off the grid at some point in the future. Not making light of your situation since I’ve been through enough hurricanes on the Gulf Coast to last a lifetime. That’s why I’ve always had a landline and an old fashioned phone stored away.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 7:13 AM

A FEMA office on Staten Island has a sign on the door yesterday, “Closed due to the weather”

I was on the FEMA website the other night trying to get some info for a friend who lost her house. Complete clusterfark. Every link is a dead end, round and round I went for 40 minutes. If you’re counting on the government to help you, you had better prepare to die.

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:16 AM

it’s over…….the gop is dead……the media will make sure no republican ever wins a national office.

We are living in the TEATER GENERATION now.

Once ObamaCare kicks in and he the UNSEALED border stays unsealed and we legalize 15 million MORE DEMOCRAT voters…….the floodgates will open and truly the US and Mexico will become one.

VIVA MEXAMERICA!!

Benefits for all, come and get it!

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 7:19 AM

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Morning folks. cms, are you watching msnbc these days?

OmahaConservative on November 9, 2012 at 7:19 AM

walked around a bit yesterday. remembered back in the days when being free meant something. no longer. being forced to buy healthcare is the first in a long line of steps to slavery.

i am really really bummed out. personally i’m ok. and from now on. thats what i’ll focus on. spouse, family and myself. the rest can go fly a kite.

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 7:12 AM

Renalin – you are so not alone. I’ve gotten emails from friends around the country with essentially the same two words – “we’re done”. Not to sound like a Hallmark movie, but I went out to the cemetery yesterday to change the fake flowers on my parents’ graves like I do for the seasons. Dad was a WWII vet, so I always have a little flag in the vase too. It was one of those clear blue days and I broke down and cried like I was 5 years old. All that they did, their generation and those before them, for what? So we could end up as subjects instead of citizens.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 7:21 AM

A FEMA office on Staten Island has a sign on the door yesterday, “Closed due to the weather”

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:16 AM

and obama is getting a complete and total pass. silence from the media. acceptance by the victims.

why isn’t shep smith out there crying in staten island or breezy point?

renalin on November 9, 2012 at 7:22 AM

what a beautiful cocktail… mix one part high black unemployment….2 parts illegal immigrants……poor whites. want a sip? its called a race war.
this will not end well.
renalin on November 9, 2012 at 6:39 AM

Ok, I want to preface my response to your comment by saying that talk of a “race war” is really irresponsible.

But at the same time I just want to remind you all of the terrible, violent black vs latino conflicts that are an everyday thing in LA schools, streets and in CA prisons. Also, there is a very bad, underreported problem of racially-motivated black on Asian violence in places like Philly.

It makes me sick how the left, rather than recognizing the importance of a shared culture, promotes and celebrates the kinds of racial tribalism that fuels these conflicts. Economic resentment towards other racial groups will only make things worse, as you say.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 7:22 AM

…….and you think MORE “illegals” aren’t coming across the open border once these 20 million illegals get a pass?

STOP and think how STUPID it is for the republicans to be supporting adding 15 million more democrat voters to the electoral map?

Texas will immediately become blue.

The entire Southwest will go blue and even the Deep South will be shaded blue.

And tell me how the gop recovers from that?

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Renalin – you are so not alone. I’ve gotten emails from friends around the country with essentially the same two words – “we’re done”. Not to sound like a Hallmark movie, but I went out to the cemetery yesterday to change the fake flowers on my parents’ graves like I do for the seasons. Dad was a WWII vet, so I always have a little flag in the vase too. It was one of those clear blue days and I broke down and cried like I was 5 years old. All that they did, their generation and those before them, for what? So we could end up as subjects instead of citizens.

TxAnn56 on November 9, 2012 at 7:21 AM

I took my flag down (along with all the campaign signs) on election night and seriously considered hanging it back up upside down. I just couldn’t do it, though. I’m not putting it back on display for a long, long time.

Naturally Curly on November 9, 2012 at 7:25 AM

but, whatever..my guess is 5 years

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:24 AM

It is not lasting another 5 years… Not at current rate.

antisocial on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Boston Globe already taking Fauxahontas to task – and she hasn’t even been sworn in yet.

Flora Duh on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Just so everybody knows-I’m not Hispanic. It is true that Hispanics only voted 30% or less for Romney and it is true that Hispanic populations are growing faster than other groups. But it would be rather unfair to blame the election loss on them (or, for that matter, to surrender to “amnesty” to appease them either.)

First of all America is going to hell in a hand basket and this would be true if there were only whites (especially liberal and moderate whites.)States like Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Washington (state), Michigan,Ohio, Iowa etc etc have relatively few Hispanics and most of these states are not heavily populated by jews or blacks either-yet all of them went for Obama most by relatively comfortable margins. Romney’s defeat in Florida could be blamed on blacks and Jews just as much as Hispanics-the same applies to New york State. Pacific Northwest states Oregon and Washington are predominately white and voted for Obama also.

The point I am making here is that we obsess too much on race when we should be be concentrating on WTF is wrong with ALL Americans including whites. Example why can’t free spirited college kids (mostly still white)realize that the future road to remaining free spirited should not include a love affair with the Democratic party that favors big government which includes heavy handed tax collectors, police and administrators which should be an anathema to them.They should also realize that Obama has turned a college education into an expensive vacation away from-to which they will return to live withy their parents since no jobs are available. Jews should realize that the Democratic party is unfriendly to Israel and Obama poses a threat to Israel’s very survival-but they don’t! Unions fail to realize that job losses under Obama actually damage them. Blacks should realize that paying obeisance to one party actually keeps them in the ghetto.The southern state of Virginia has turned blue because mostly white government workers in the countless thousands have moved to the northern part of that state to vote Democratic.. So it’s not just Hispanics. The whole country, as Bob Grant used to say, “is sick and getting sicker.”

MaiDee on November 9, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Morning OC
Nope took a hiatus…too intolerable

Will tune in the next time Ed is appearing

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Thinking the same thing NC

cmsinaz on November 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM

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