Quotes of the day

posted at 11:07 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

[T]he “Romney would have lost anyway” argument neglects the fact that his dismal performance among Hispanics made the race unwinnable. Even if we accept Krikorian’s view that the Hispanic vote only mattered in Florida and Nevada, when you add those states to the already solid blue states, it means spotting Democrats 236 electoral votes. All Obama or any Democratic candidate would need to get over the top at that point would be to win Michigan and Pennsylvania — two states that have gone Democratic every year since 1988. Failing that, Democrats would have multiple other combinations to get over 270. In contrast, a Republican who lost those states could still lose the election even if he or she won all of the reliably red states in addition to North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Colorado, Iowa and Wisconsin.

Again, this analysis is conservative. In 2004, Bush carried New Mexico with 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, but this year the state wasn’t even in play. Also, Hispanics made up 14 percent of the electorate in Colorado, providing Obama with his margin of victory there. Add Colorado to the Democratic fold, and the electoral math becomes even more daunting for Republicans.

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Senate Democrats are planning to quickly revisit immigration reform after President Barack Obama’s inauguration, according to several Democratic sources.

What type of legislation they will end up pushing has yet to be discussed in detail. But the party feels emboldened by Tuesday’s election results, in which Republicans suffered a blistering defeat among Latinos. And there is a sense that the political landscape couldn’t be more ripe for a legislative topic that’s proved dicey in the past…

“I think [Republicans] are going to want to do it now,” Schumer said. “[It] is at the top of the list because the nation demands it and needs it. And, again, I think in the exit polls, two-thirds of Americans basically agreed with the concept of real immigration reform.”

He’s right: Americans in general, even Republicans, support immigration reform more than the congressional GOP would suggest. Sixty-five percent of voters support giving undocumented immigrants working in the U.S. a path to legal status, including 37 percent of Republicans, according to exit polls.

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Via Pew.

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Asked whether he will make another attempt to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act, Boehner said “the election changes that” and “Obamacare is the law of the land.”…

The speaker also revealed that comprehensive, bipartisan immigration overhaul would be a top priority of his agenda during the 113th Congress.

“This issue has been around far too long,” he said. “A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.”

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Immigrants should be a natural GOP constituency. Newcomers to the U.S.—legal or illegal—tend to be aspiring people who believe in the dignity of work and self-sufficiency, and they are cultural conservatives. They are not the 47%. Republicans are also supposed to be the folks who have figured out the law of unintended consequences, such as that imposing ever-tighter border controls discourages the millions of illegal immigrants living in this country from returning home…

We understand the law-and-order issues at stake, particularly along the border, as well as questions of fairness in allowing illegals to jump the immigration queue. But the right response isn’t mass deportation—as politically infeasible as it is morally repulsive. It’s a rational, humane, bipartisan reform that broadens the avenues to legal immigration, both for those abroad and those already here…

No doubt this editorial will provoke letters denouncing us for being soft on the issue. Now is an opportune time to ask those disapproving readers how many more Tuesdays like this one they’d care to repeat?

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The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants. In securing the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney made the strategic error of (unnecessarily) going to the right of Rick Perry. Romney could never successfully tack back.

For the party in general, however, the problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe — full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.

I’ve always been of the “enforcement first” school, with the subsequent promise of legalization. I still think it’s the better policy. But many Hispanics fear that there will be nothing beyond enforcement. So, promise amnesty right up front. Secure the border with guaranteed legalization to follow on the day the four border-state governors affirm that illegal immigration has slowed to a trickle.

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If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election…

The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

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Fox News’ Sean Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday that he’s “evolved” on immigration and thinks undocumented immigrants without criminal records should have a “pathway to citizenship.”…

“We;ve got to get rid of the immigration issue altogether,” he said. “It’s simple to me to fix it. I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here. You don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, it’s first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done, whatever little penalties you want to put in there, if you want, and it’s done.”

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Scrumpy on November 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

No problem..Carry on..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Abuse the system. The sooner it collapses, the sooner the fools feel the pain. The survivors always make it.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Ineresting point..I agree some will have to feel pain before they change..:)

Dire Straits on November 9, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Depression – ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Only fools see a rosy sky with the Prince of Darnkness. He’ll live high. They won’t.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Yep. I don’t think the average Democrat in the street understood what Barry meant when he said he wanted to “fundamentally transform” the nation. Act II is just getting ready to start.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Now is the worst possible time for an amnesty. They will screw you if you play with them. Double down on border security and blame Obama for making promises he knew he couldn’t keep.
El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Can someone here please explain how comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty could be passed this year? I don’t know much about how the legislative maneuvering works between the houses, and I want to know if the Republicans have enough votes to stop amnesty. I am so against amnesty. It is one of the most important issues to me.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

They use the poor and minorities to further their power, ideology and money. They also hope conservatives will blame the minorities and poor, which only helps push minorities and the poor to the white progressives who “help” them by giving them a handout that cost very little, while the white progressives managing the handouts have six figure salaries or more.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:14 AM

They intentionally keep the poor in ghetos and modern day plantations, uneducated, for votes only. It is inhumane and pure thuggery. One day the moochers will wake up and pitchfork the looters. Until then, the looters live like the Obamas and pretend to “care”. It’s the biggest joke. Fools in a relatively ‘free’ land always deserve the gov’t they elect.

Starve the looters/moochers.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM

I want to know if the Republicans have enough votes to stop amnesty. I am so against amnesty. It is one of the most important issues to me.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

“A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.” – John Boehner

Does that answer your question?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Utopian pipedreams don’t feed kids.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:19 AM

But brown-bag sammiches can do it cheaply: http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id14147-my-4th-annual-cost-survey-of-10-common-brown-bag-sandwiches.html

Assuming the nanny-staters won’t confiscate the contra-band.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Can someone here please explain how comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty could be passed this year?

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

The Dems have the White House and the Senate. The GOP is pooping its pants in shock and may act irrationally (cave) to stop the bleeding with Latinos, except that it won’t stop the bleeding… it will open up a bigger wound.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

I got to cut loose…

Goodnight all and God Bless!

Let’s keep our chins up eh!

Scrumpy on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

If Hispanics were what some here are claiming then why aren’t they already voting Republican? If race doesn’t come first with them, then why don’t they vote for social conservatism and fiscal conservatism?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Because we are allowing them to be indoctrinated by white progressives that we hate them. We don’t fight for their souls…

Remember most came here wanting a better life and a job. You have to get them early and young. It is a propaganda war and we have to learn how to fight it.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

I think Republicans can change their position, be a lot more open to actual amnesty with enforcement. Amnesty, everything short of citizenship. And to make a bold change in their policy. Enforcement and then immediately after, a guarantee of amnesty. – Charles Krauthammer

“It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. – Sean Hannity

The GOP will betray you.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 AM

“A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I’m confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all.” – John Boehner
Does that answer your question?
sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 AM

I had seen that quote, but I was curious whether there are enough Republican members to go along with it. It was stopped once before already when we had a Republican president pushing it.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Good night Amerika.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Because we are allowing them to be indoctrinated by white progressives that we hate them. We don’t fight for their souls…

Remember most came here wanting a better life and a job. You have to get them early and young. It is a propaganda war and we have to learn how to fight it.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

And surrendering on amnesty will somehow win their souls?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Can someone here please explain how comprehensive immigration reform or amnesty could be passed this year? I don’t know much about how the legislative maneuvering works between the houses, and I want to know if the Republicans have enough votes to stop amnesty. I am so against amnesty. It is one of the most important issues to me.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

You would think given the solidarity of the House GOP since January 2009 and how staunchly conservative they’ve been especially after winning back control in 2010 that amnesty wouldn’t have a prayer of passing. I could see the Senate caving. They’re far more moderate and they’ve gotta be sweating over going from 47 to 45 seats in a year they were expected to pick up at least a couple. But not the House.

We’ll find out soon enough. I’m hoping Boehner hears quickly from his constituents and drops this. That’s what happened back in 2006, the last time the GOP flirted with this insane idea. Cuz if the Republicans in the House cave on amnesty, they can kiss that chamber goodbye in 2014(the base will stay home in droves). Then it’s Speaker Pelosi all over again and America is officially dead.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Mitsouko on November 9, 2012 at 12:59 AM

1. If you are altruistic enough, invest in schoold and media which counter theirs.

2. If you are not, go gulching and starve the looters/moochers. They’ll be hungry, in the dark/cold. They can’t build utopias from air. The Chinese are wising up and, contrary to leftist beliefs, money can’t just be printed indefinitely. The pipers are on the door.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Breitbart argued that politics is influenced by culture. The ballot box is not where this fight is being lost, but the culture at large, particularly education and entertainment (which overlap). To see how badly we’ve lost, you can flip through the channels of a TV set and see what morals are being presented (as in, “the moral of the story is”), and you can flip through student’s non-empirical text books. Nothing there has any conservative values at all, fiscal, political, or social. Usually.

– We can take ground back by writing short stories, novels; we can write songs, make music; and otherwise art out — and sell it (or otherwise distribute it; but “selling” implies you get to build something)

– We can learn, and learn to teach, so we can teach (one way or another)

– We can stop prostituting ourselves, advertising to everyone that our values are fundamentally hypocritical and not even we believe what we’re saying

–Particularly if we aren’t creators, we can support each other when anyone tries to walk off the page and create something or change something

–Etc. In the same spirit. :)

–Schadenfreude’s Objectivism is showing in point 2. :) We can also explicitly disallow being used

Designing conservative leaning education and media is a long term project, and necessary, I think.

But I am thinking of more immediate tactics. Yes, the pipers are at the door, but almost nobody believes that. The left thinks we are fearmongers? I say, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Mitsouko on November 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM

*shrug*

Even if you had an r word, and everyone gathered to you in the street with glowing, free faces in the firelight, they’d turn around and do the same thing again. Another way, they wouldn’t even know how to do it right.

I hate this, but I think this fight is fundamentally long-term.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I had seen that quote, but I was curious whether there are enough Republican members to go along with it. It was stopped once before already when we had a Republican president pushing it.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 AM

I don’t know, but I think we are going to find out. The Assault Weapons Ban may also be rearing its ugly head again as well.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Because we are allowing them to be indoctrinated by white progressives that we hate them. We don’t fight for their souls…

Remember most came here wanting a better life and a job. You have to get them early and young. It is a propaganda war and we have to learn how to fight it.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

You don’t win a propaganda war by just caving on your principles. The war is being lost because we’re not penetrating the filter of the news media, Hollywood, and the education system. I’m not saying that’ll be an easy task(it’ll take decades), but that’s where this war will be fought. Not in the backrooms of Capitol Hill with the GOP leadership selling out the base on an issue like amnesty.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 AM

*though not many people agree with me. People are still talking about election strategies. I want to hear about your new record label or line of t-shirts, but nope — just more stuff about “winning over independents” :)

Wonder if I’m just wrong. Again.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 1:38 AM

They intentionally keep the poor in ghetos and modern day plantations, uneducated, for votes only. It is inhumane and pure thuggery. One day the moochers will wake up and pitchfork the looters. Until then, the looters live like the Obamas and pretend to “care”. It’s the biggest joke. Fools in a relatively ‘free’ land always deserve the gov’t they elect.

Starve the looters/moochers.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM

But do we conservatives, or should I say our conservative leaders ever describe this or push this line of attack against progressives. We must be harsh in our language if we are going to convert those who have been told nothing but lies and falsehoods.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Remember most came here wanting a better life and a job. You have to get them early and young. It is a propaganda war and we have to learn how to fight it.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM

You’re buying the liberal and establishment Republican propaganda here. Yes, they come for a better life, but not necessarily a job. Most know that the welfare system and give-aways are far better here than in Mexico, and if you think for a moment that they give a sh!t about our country after they’re here, you don’t know these people.

The Mexican illegals come from a welfare state in hopes of a getting to a better one, and one that generously conveys upon them a victim status that their own country will not do.

Yes, they will work, for cash of course, and do a good job. But what they earn in these jobs pales in what they get from us, the taxpayers, once they get on the roll.

Make them legal or give them amnesty or amnesty light, you give the Dems and their socialist dogma life forever.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 1:43 AM

The GOP will betray you.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Look, that little slogan is getting old. We get that party leaders feel pressure to compromise, which is why we need to exert pressure of our own. Hearing the cries about being “betrayed” over and over gets tiring and seems too defeatist.

But thank you and others for the response. This is definitely an issue I will be following!

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 AM

But do we conservatives, or should I say our conservative leaders ever describe this or push this line of attack against progressives. We must be harsh in our language if we are going to convert those who have been told nothing but lies and falsehoods.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Many of the “leaders” are just playing along , faking opposition.
They need some punishing before they start to fight the crony corruption.

the_nile on November 9, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Look, that little slogan is getting old.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 AM

It will get old when it stops happening.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 AM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 AM

yeah that was we’d rather fight how did you miss that?

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 AM

*shrug*

Even if you had an r word, and everyone gathered to you in the street with glowing, free faces in the firelight, they’d turn around and do the same thing again. Another way, they wouldn’t even know how to do it right.

I hate this, but I think this fight is fundamentally long-term.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Whaa? I absolutely am not speaking of ‘r’ word. Not sure why you thought that was what I meant.

Mitsouko on November 9, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Did you folks see this? Obama gets Saddam Hussein type numbers in Cleveland, OH

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:51 AM

You don’t win a propaganda war by just caving on your principles. The war is being lost because we’re not penetrating the filter of the news media, Hollywood, and the education system. I’m not saying that’ll be an easy task(it’ll take decades), but that’s where this war will be fought. Not in the backrooms of Capitol Hill with the GOP leadership selling out the base on an issue like amnesty.

Doughboy on November 9, 2012 at 1:37 AM

The trouble is amnesty is coming, and the longer we hold out on it the more time it gives progressives in this country to corrupt the illegals. The strategy of rounding them up and sending them back in mass is not a workable plan, like trying to put spilled milk back into the bottle. It means you basically don’t have a plan. If you have a better plan let me know? The only thing we can do is manage it the best we can. If we strike while the iron is hot and nominate someone who can win some of them over in 2016, while the democrats will go safe and choose someone like Hillary or Biden (LOL) then we can make serious inroads.

We have also had many laws in America’s past that were broken because they did not conform to reality, heck that is how we became a country in the first place, which was by breaking the laws of the British Empire.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 1:53 AM

ORCA is going to be a massive story tomorrow. Everyone is picking it up.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM

The Mexican illegals come from a welfare state in hopes of a getting to a better one,

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Mexico has no welfare program.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Did you folks see this? Obama gets Saddam Hussein type numbers in Cleveland, OH

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:51 AM

My God, I knew there was fraud going on, but didn’t have any idea the extent. Now I understand why Rove was going apesh!t the other night on Fox, he knew it, too. This alone should be a reason for Team Romney to contest, but of course they won’t.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 1:57 AM

53% out of wedlock birth rate for Hispanics and 76% out of wedlock birth rate for Blacks? The government can’t afford to sustain that. How many of us can New Zealand hold?

The handwriting is on the wall. The United States as it stands right now cannot exist on it’s current path. How the divorce eventually happens will be interesting.

Rockshine on November 9, 2012 at 1:57 AM

Mexico has no welfare program.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM

They have universal healthcare… so its strange that they come up here.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

I’ve gone Galt. From 35-40k to <14k/year.

f the mfs They want utopia. They can have it.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I think I’ve got you beat: 130k to 20k, except this vid killing me.

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Zimbabwe Rhodesia offers one of the most recent case studies of hyperinflation. During the month of March 2007 the inflation rate was 1730%. To put it another way, a loaf of bread that cost $2 on March 1st, cost $36.60 on the first day of April.

9. By November 2008, the annual inflation rate in Zimbabwe was 89.7 sextillion percent. That’s 89.7 followed by 20 zeros. At that rate, prices were doubling every 24 hours.

http://lenpenzo.com/blog/id602-18-scary-things-you-didnt-know-about-inflation-and-hyperinflation.html

But it won’t happen here.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

In Philadelphia, where they illegally booted GOP poll watchers before they counted the votes:

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 1:59 AM

ORCA is going to be a massive story tomorrow. Everyone is picking it up.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Be nice if “everyone” would pick up Benghazi.

kim roy on November 9, 2012 at 2:00 AM

ronald reagan gave over 12 mil ppl amnesty
in the 80′s….how many votes exactally did that get us??..

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Look, that little slogan is getting old.

bluegill on November 9, 2012 at 1:47 AM

It will get old when it stops happening.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 AM

What I thought. :) I told Dire he’s making me flinch with it lately, but . . . only ’cause it’s feeling less ironic.

Whaa? I absolutely am not speaking of ‘r’ word. Not sure why you thought that was what I meant.

Mitsouko on November 9, 2012 at 1:50 AM

I didn’t think you were. :) I leapfrogged you just to make the point.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

They have universal healthcare… so it’s strange that they come up here.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Welfare
Food stamps
Housing
Schools
Colleges
Obama’care’
Obamaphones
Amnesty

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Make them legal or give them amnesty or amnesty light, you give the Dems and their socialist dogma life forever.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Don’t do it and you risk making the legal Mexicans/Latinos Democrat for life. OK TXUS how are you going to deal with the problem? You going to round them up, put them in massive holding cells, and ship them back?

I am sure that will sell well with a majority of Americans…great image of small government supporting Americans using the machine of big government to “purge” the nation on the “unwanted” people….LOL!

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

We should provide them vehicles too, gratis.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

the votes and bills to end segregation
came from repub’s…exactally how many votes did that get us…

i believe its ideas…..properly ,and planly spoken..

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:03 AM

ronald reagan gave over 12 mil ppl amnesty
in the 80′s….how many votes exactally did that get us??..

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

He sure gave the Democrats millions of extra voters though.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:04 AM

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

The most upward mobile in the US are the fairly young Indians, from India, not Injuns.

They buy fancy cars, houses, take flying lessons, live the good life.

Guess whom they voted for in the majority, having left absolute hellholes at home?

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Don’t do it and you risk making the legal Mexicans/Latinos Democrat for life. OK TXUS how are you going to deal with the problem? You going to round them up, put them in massive holding cells, and ship them back?

I am sure that will sell well with a majority of Americans…great image of small government supporting Americans using the machine of big government to “purge” the nation on the “unwanted” people….LOL!

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

No one is saying deport them all. That is a false choice. They come here as free people and choose to stay here as is.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:06 AM

We should provide them vehicles too, gratis.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

made in detroit with the union label…

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:06 AM

Don’t do it and you risk making the legal Mexicans/Latinos Democrat for life. OK TXUS how are you going to deal with the problem? You going to round them up, put them in massive holding cells, and ship them back?

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

You pass a law giving illegals the right to sue their employer for ten times their wages and benefits they would have gotten if employed legally PLUS a $25,000 lump sum from the employer which they can take back to their country of origin.

That would be the end of the illegal job market.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Mexico has no welfare program.

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Yes, not a formal one like we have, but one that’s doled out from the local government officials to their constituents to keep them in line and voting for them and their party. It’s not called “welfare”, but it’s the same thing, giving taxpayer money for nothing more than their support.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Don’t do it and you risk making the legal Mexicans/Latinos Democrat for life. OK TXUS how are you going to deal with the problem? You going to round them up, put them in massive holding cells, and ship them back?

I am sure that will sell well with a majority of Americans…great image of small government supporting Americans using the machine of big government to “purge” the nation on the “unwanted” people….LOL!

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:02 AM

If legal Mexicans/Latinos don’t want to secure the border, they should be Democrats.

I’m not sure what you want to do. You want to adopt Democrat policies to bribe people of Mexican descent to not become Democrats?

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:08 AM

honestly there is no reason to cave on immigration per se. We need a mix of highly skilled people with some lesser skilled people. We can not give millions of unskilled people citizenship. No other country does that. We have 300M people..and no frontier. Sorry.

it is insane politically..giving citizenship to unskilled people (millions) will just sink what little is left of the conservative party. Very simple. We will become what every leftist has dreamed of for 100 years…a one party state

TEN YEARS AGO ON INSTAPUNDIT:

SOME ADVICE FOR BUSH: Jonah Goldberg warns that the Republicans need to avoid overreaching, as Republicans have done in the past when things went unexpectedly well. (I linked to a similar warning from John Ellis earlier today). Democrats and their friends in the media, after all, will be waiting to pounce on anything that will let them paint the Republicans as corrupt pawns of greedy big business.

I think he’s right, and in particular I think that the Bush Administration needs to do something dramatic that will position it on the side of consumers against Evil Big Business. And I have just the thing: The Bush Administration should take on the crooks and thugs of the recording and movie industries. And it should do so on the side of artists and consumers.

It’s widely believed that the recording industry shafts its artists. As Ken Layne has pointed out, when 9,000 artist accounts were audited, 8,999 were found to have involved underpayments to the artists. Artist retirement funds have been underfunded, too — sometimes to ridiculous levels. And the record companies recently settled a price-fixing suit brought by state attorneys general.

Meanwhile the entertainment industries are trying to take control of people’s computers, televisions, and stereos. Consumers are gouged for ticket prices, radio is ruined by payola and other shady practices, and pretty much everyone knows that the whole industry is rotten to the core. (Heck, it was the topic of the very first post on InstaPundit). And by siding with artists, the Administration will be able to split an industry that’s usually united against the Republicans right down the middle. And voters identify with actors and musicians much more than with the suits who run the record and movie industries.

By taking on this big business that everyone has come to hate, the Bush Administration can position itself as a tribune of the people against greedy corporate interests. (And make media assaults on the Administration easy to discount as a self-interested response to its efforts to enforce the law). That they happen to be greedy corporate interests that give generously to Democrats will only make it more appealing.

This was good advice ten years ago after an unexpectedly large GOP victory. It’s good advice today after a GOP defeat. But will it happen? Experience says not, because Republicans can’t seem to bring themselves to go after big business, even big business that hates them.

conservatives have very poor representation in political circles. the country suffers from it.

the R party seems to want to be a party of hangers on…they will get wonderful perks and benes for themeselves regardless

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 2:08 AM

ronald reagan gave over 12 mil ppl amnesty
in the 80′s….how many votes exactally did that get us??..

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

We did not do a good job following it up with a good propaganda machine. Sort of like our GOTV effort….

We need to organize our plans better, or just have a plan…any plan.

Running around like bunch of constitutional philosophers waxing poetic about 1776 is not going to get it done. If you are going to beat a machine you are going to have to have a machine of your own.

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Gov. Perry was slammed over a pragmatic solution to immigration that always made sense to Texans cause we have to deal with the idiot federales and liberal activists trying to turn us into California.

Border Security first then sensible Immigration Reform and consistent enforcement.

Park Texas Rangers on the Border and keep the Liberal Federales lawyers out of enforcement.

But nooooooo….Purists insist impossible ideas like building walls across big canyons and across an 1,896 mile river.

Scorched earth tactics threw away any chance of winning that voting block and gave the Texas jobs numbers to Obama to fool voters into thinking things were better instead of the reality that a few prosperous states are propping up the rest of the country.

Nobody would listen to Texans…Ya’ll just spewed Bush hate and Texas hate and Perry hate.

Romney,Bachmann,Cain,Santorum handed that voting block to the democrats who united them like they always do making it a racial issue.

Reagan (A border state governor) understood that…

We can walk and chew gum at the same time…We can solve this and enforce the law…But only a border state governor will even know how to do it wisely.

And alienating Texas who contributes 25% to the national GDP aint’ the way to do it.

Rubio is great..but he’s of Cuban descent and other hispanics think Cubans get special immigration treatment and they have resented it for years.

Martinez or Sandoval.

(Perry would have likely chosen either as a running mate to seal that vote and turn out tejano business leaders to campaign for him)

They’re both governors and Martinez is from a border state + she’s a woman…Sandoval is a former ATTY. General and Judge.

Needs to be another Governor with a strong and successful conservative record and sound leadership, which will be harder to do in the New Obama Gulag.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 2:11 AM

It’s a cliche but what about securing the borders first before we even have this conversation.

If the border is porous then how do you even decide who a gets the amnesty? After all they are undocumented! And how do they police this amnesty? Any relevant work id is fake. I can pretend to have been working here for a decade and who is going to question it? Are they going to have 1million new immigration agents interviewing all past employers and landlords? And what about the graft in the amnesty process? Who will police that? And how do we guarantee that the window for amnesty will be closed after a set date? There will be enormous pressure from all the new “immigrants” voting children to extend the length of the amnesty program. Also, how will we employ all these new “immigrants”? Are they going to have rights to the minimum wage? If they get the minimum wage then why would businesses stop continuing to employing new illegal immigrants instead of the now 10(15,20)million new legal immigrants? If they can’t vote then wouldn’t it make the new “immigrants” a legal underclass? Won’t that create civil disorder? Won’t it be unjust? Are the family and extended family still in Mexico covered under the amnesty? Wouldn’t it be cruel to divide families?

BoxHead1 on November 9, 2012 at 2:13 AM

one of the troubles of our GOTV is GOP’ers live in the burbs
i covered 8 streets here and its maybe 100 houses..
in the city…if i was 20…i could hit 300+ homes in 4 hrs..
sorta like trick or treating…we send out 50-70somethings
in the burbs and they get a 20 yr old in the city with a bus pass…

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:15 AM

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:10 AM
you are correct in the propaganda department…
no one ever seems to remember who was on their side
in so many of historys battles….
another example is…the womans right to vote…
to way too many woman now its a body part venture..

going2mars on November 9, 2012 at 2:18 AM

If legal Mexicans/Latinos don’t want to secure the border, they should be Democrats.

I’m not sure what you want to do. You want to adopt Democrat policies to bribe people of Mexican descent to not become Democrats?

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Oh I agree with securing the borders, any agreement would have to have that as part of it. If you don’t get it, no deal.

And yes I want to bribe people of Mexican decent to not become democrats, or more importantly I want to turn people of Mexican decent against democrats by playing up the most cruel, wicked, divisive and vicious attacks one can think of. That is how it works in American politics. It is time we learned….

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:18 AM

yeah that was we’d rather fight how did you miss that?

Who is John Galt on November 9, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Good question. That was good.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

BoxHead1 on November 9, 2012 at 2:13 AM

That was Perry’s argument and he would have brought Fast & Furious to Obama…He would have got right into his face!

Border Security to save lives unites all of us…as a real concern.

Tejanos would have campaigned for him on that and conservative economics…No Tejano wants Texas to become California.

GOP scorched earth became Mexican hate…and Obama used it!

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Caving in or pandering to Hispanics is ludicrous. It’s the classic locking of the barn door after the horses have already run away. You would only elicit Hispanic contempt not support if you went along with amnesty now. Not only that but it will show that our prniciples-our very moral philosophy can be bartered away for nickles and dimes.

The best solution is to provide minority Republican candidates -realizing that the future of America is Hispanic not black because of population expansion and family structure. Obama’s second term, believe me, will lead to unprecedented financial failure, this will drive Hispanics out of sheer economic necessity into Republican arms and we have (unlike Romney) true conservatives who coincidentally happen to be Hispanic-Martinez and Rubio-who can help keep them there.

MaiDee on November 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Welfare
Food stamps
Housing
Schools
Colleges
Obama’care’
Obamaphones
Amnesty

Schadenfreude on November 9, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Obamamnesty is the Obamacare of the second term. Guaranteed 80% democratic vote from the newly minted Americans from south of the border (Obmamericans). Free health care and citizenship courtesy of Obama! Democratic presidents for the next 28 years. 8 years of Hillary Clinton, then 8 years of Michelle Obama, and then 8 years of Chelsea Clinton.

ZippyZ on November 9, 2012 at 2:23 AM

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 2:11 AM

Rick Perry and George W. Bush were right. We could have split or won the Latino vote, but we screwed up.

Arizona and Alabama poisoned the well. There’s no walking it back anymore. We have to hold firm on no amnesty.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:30 AM

GOP scorched earth became Mexican hate…and Obama used it!

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I liked Perry and he would have taken it to Obama on F&F for sure. And he would have had first hand experience about that murderous endeavor. But he bombed in the debates(meds?) AND he lost me with the “heart” comment. I felt he was too squishy on immigration.

If we want to do some pandering then do it the old fashioned way. Speak a few spanish phrases on the stump. Go to some parades. Have a photo opp eating a torta. Praise the legal hard working Mexican immigrants and talk about how rich the Mexican culture is and how it helped shaped our country like the irish, jewish, chinese, italian, polish … Why do we have to go all the way to amnesty for illegals in order to appease the legal Mexicans here?

BoxHead1 on November 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM

“Are you going to San Fransisco?
Be sure to wear some flowers in you hair.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/08/san-francisco-to-provide-transgender-surgeries-for-uninsured/?test=latestnews

BTW: Scott McKenzie died last month.

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 2:36 AM

And yes I want to bribe people of Mexican decent to not become democrats, or more importantly I want to turn people of Mexican decent against democrats by playing up the most cruel, wicked, divisive and vicious attacks one can think of. That is how it works in American politics. It is time we learned….

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:18 AM

I just can’t come with you, I guess. I think we’re spending too much time trying to figure out how to make people like us. If we’re right about these things, then we should advocate for them because they are the right thing to do. If people want to do something else, that’s not our choice to make.

I don’t think the advocacy is optional, is the point. I don’t have a choice. Nothing about advocating for the right thing should depend on whether or not anyone will do it. The debates should be about discovering the right thing, not figuring out how to obtain and wield power.

– Not that I would get in the way of your Alinsky thing. Someone probably has to work on obtaining and wielding power. I suppose . . .

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:37 AM

BoxHead1 on November 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM

We did have NEWT which didn’t bomb the debates and had about the same position as Perry.

What I liked about Perry for the general was that he could have said that a difference between him and Obama was that he signed the Dream Act. That would have made Obama boil over.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:40 AM

And that’s it folks…..the election is barely 2 days old, and just like that, your country is gone forever. The illegal immigrant is now cherished more by the party than you, an American citizen.

If Hispanics were what some here are claiming then why aren’t they already voting Republican? If race doesn’t come first with them, then why don’t they vote for social conservatism and fiscal conservatism?

sharrukin

Because it’s a lie, that’s why. They come here for the safety net, and if there are jobs available too, that’s a bonus.

By the way, after passing amnesty, Bush 1 got a smaller percentage of the Hispanic vote than Reagan did before amnesty. A mere 4 years after that, Bush 1 received even less at 25% of the Hispanic vote. 4 years after that, Dole received 21% of the Hispanic vote. Romney got more of the Hispanic vote than either of them at 27%.

McCain did well at 31%, but that is still lower than Reagan got pre-amnesty. And last I checked, McCain lost. So, despite Reagan’s amnesty, 4 of the last 5 Republican candidates have lost, and also did poorly with Hispanics.

Yeah, amnesty isn’t the solution, folks, it will only make the problem worse. There are ways to court the Hispanic vote without doing something that will guarantee we most likely never win again. I mean, geez, if the rule of law and the sovereignty of the nation isn’t even worth fighting for, what the hell is?

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 2:40 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Will go down in history as one of the biggest blunders ever.

I wonder if we had pushed early voting too, heavily, if we could have figured out problems ahead of time?

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:42 AM

So tired of this meme. This election was won by the tiniest of margins of mostly white voters. We do not need to pander to anyone and I’m sick of hearing the talking heads drone on about this. A conservative message works. Outreach is needed. But leave the pandering to the Dems, who are going to reap the fruits of their promises very shortly and they aren’t going to like it much.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 2:42 AM

So here’s where we are; nearly 200 years after Francis Scott Key penned the national anthem and immortalized the phrase, “Land of the Free.” We’ve become just that, but not in the way we quite expected.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/willis-report/blog/2012/11/08/real-reason-obama-got-elected

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Cuz if the Republicans in the House cave on amnesty, they can kiss that chamber goodbye in 2014(the base will stay home in droves).

Sez who? You and bluegill don’t represent all conservatives.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM

This is hilarious. From Ace

http://minx.cc/?post=334801

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Sez who? You and bluegill don’t represent all conservatives.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Actually they might, because in other contexts they fight constantly.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 2:48 AM

No on immigration reform. Just no. Reform the INS all you want, it really needs it. We still have reliable people in the House who stood up to Boehner last term. We elected some good new representatives too. We need to be hounding these people to keep fighting. Of course Boehner is a surrender monkey. But he can’t deliver the chamber if we are against something.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Sez who? You and bluegill don’t represent all conservatives.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Bluegill will probably still do “what’s necessary.”

So that’s two minus one plus one.

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

What is the difference between the Democrat Party and the GOP now?

Talk is Mitt Romney has secured a cabinet level job in the Obama White House. He denied he was a Republican when he ran for the only office he ever won and now is going to work for the Democrats.

But the GOP blames the Conservatives for Mitt the Democrat lost.

I detest Hannity, John Bonehead, Priebus and the rest of the Establishment Republicans that are doing a great job of changing the Republican Party into a new Democrat Party now that the actual Democrat Party is really the Communist Party.

I am seriously beginning to wonder if the GOP is now the Whig Party of 1850.

Steveangell on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

What is the difference between the Democrat Party and the GOP now?

Steveangell on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

That remains up to us to decide, not the talking heads.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 2:52 AM

If Hispanics were what some here are claiming then why aren’t they already voting Republican? If race doesn’t come first with them, then why don’t they vote for social conservatism and fiscal conservatism?

sharrukin

Because it’s a lie, that’s why. They come here for the safety net, and if there are jobs available too, that’s a bonus.

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Yup. We saw the truth when they marched in the streets waving Mexican flags and Che Guevara banners. When that caused a controversy they suddenly showed up with American flags.

Same story with Prop 187.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/Prop_187_Mexican_Flags_Galore.jpg

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:53 AM

davidk on November 9, 2012 at 2:43 AM

well, i think that everyone secretly in their heart of hearts was worried about this. FDR was elected four times for a reason. we would like to be high minded and thing that the country has matured and seen the productivity of the last 50 years..plus.

so yeah, we were kidding ourselves. we have a serious economic problem. Bernanke thinks he can work us out of it…time will tell

Turns out, the opposite has happened. Voters in high-unemployment states actually like the president, and the reason is obvious; the Federal Government is paying the jobless, extending unemployment benefits, food stamps, and even underwriting disability payments from Social Security.

Think we’re different from the Europeans? Think again. The proportion of Greek men in their 30’s that are working is higher than the proportion of men who work in the United States. That’s what this election was all about. People voted for free stuff, free money, and free benefits. A chicken and health care in every pot.

if history runs true, it will take a couple of decades to get past this….the problem being we have the climate vultures and others waiting to putting the lid on the country big time

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Yeah, amnesty isn’t the solution, folks, it will only make the problem worse. There are ways to court the Hispanic vote without doing something that will guarantee we most likely never win again. I mean, geez, if the rule of law and the sovereignty of the nation isn’t even worth fighting for, what the hell is?

I’ve been thinking about this quandary the whole day, and this is what I realized:

The whole reason I am Conservative is because I believe conservative values like hard work, self-respect, and free markets are universal. That anyone regardless of race, culture, or economic status can be converted to Conservatism. If we don’t believe that, if it is the case that conservatism can only be embraced by a selected few, then it’s no longer about conservatism, but rather nationalism and racial hegemony. Then there really is no more point in fighting.

If we really have so much faith in the power of conservative values, why should we be afraid?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM

You give amnesty and/or a path to citizenship to anyone here illegaly, all you’re doing is adding voters to the enemy’s rolls, in droves.

It’s that f**king simple.

This is a war not between Republicans and Democrats, but between liberty and tyranny. The tyrannists need more votes to survive, and the illegals are the low hanging fruit.

It’s that f**king simple.

The tyrannists know full well that the illegals want to be here not for liberty and jobs, but for the better safety net we have here, much better than the one they have in Mexico. They also know that the illegals, once ensconced here, could care less about our country, and thus aligned in the heart with them.

It’s that f**king simple.

Wake up and tell Boehner and all the others who are listening to the media crap about the Republicans’ need for Hispanic outreach, that this is exactly the wrong way to do it — they’re going to vote D anyway. Do it this way and the republic is dead, forever.

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Sez who? You and bluegill don’t represent all conservatives.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:45 AM

I think if the Bush Amnesty uproar is anything to go by you are the odd man out, not them.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:57 AM

If legal Mexicans/Latinos don’t want to secure the border, they should be Democrats.

I’m not sure what you want to do. You want to adopt Democrat policies to bribe people of Mexican descent to not become Democrats?

Axe on November 9, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Oh I agree with securing the borders, any agreement would have to have that as part of it. If you don’t get it, no deal.

And yes I want to bribe people of Mexican decent to not become democrats, or more importantly I want to turn people of Mexican decent against democrats by playing up the most cruel, wicked, divisive and vicious attacks one can think of. That is how it works in American politics. It is time we learned….

William Eaton on November 9, 2012 at 2:18 AM

It would help if conservatives weren’t so myopic about it.

The democrats exploit that myopia…They did this election.

Study the waves of immigration throughout the years and who migrated where and for what reason.

Reagan’s Latinos are the descendants of the Persecuted Cristeros which went on for 20 years. The Mexican Government hunted them into the 1940′s.

These folks fled a ruthless government to survive, have religious freedom and educate their children in parish schools.

5% of Mexico’s population fled to California,Texas and other border states.

They settled and worked and raised their children and built churches & businesses…They wanted to be American.

Why is it fair to give Cubans escaping Castro an entry and yet Mexicans escaping brutal Marxists aren’t given the same…That is their historic beef.

That’s why Reagan gave them amnesty.

Later waves have come through Mexico for other reasons…some economic and some to escape political oppression in Latin American countries for example during the contra wars.

They aren’t by any means a homogenous group.

The democrats teach the racial hate in the public schools…that’s why reconquista has become an issue.

The immigration process is so corrupt and californianized that it’s a disaster.

It’s gotta be cleaned up pronto.

workingclass artist on November 9, 2012 at 2:58 AM

If we really have so much faith in the power of conservative values, why should we be afraid?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM

What part of “illegal” do you not understand?

Does following the law mean anything in your version of conservatism?

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:59 AM

TXUS on November 9, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Well said.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:00 AM

i realize that leftist/dems have no reason to be consistent or logical, but why Mexico? there are plenty of more hostile places. Leftists are just using geography to get votes.

many people from all over the world…but leftists would prefer poor unskilled people from just a few countries.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:06 AM

If we really have so much faith in the power of conservative values, why should we be afraid?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Because a smart man once said you cannot have open borders and a welfare state. It’s a recipe for bankruptcy.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:07 AM

Wow.

In fact, Orca diverted scarce resources that would have been better used physically moving voters to polling places. By a rough calculation, Romney lost the election by falling 500,000 to 700,000 votes short in key swing states. If each of the 37,000 volunteers that had been devoted to Orca had instead brought 20 voters to the polls in those states over the course of the day, Romney would have won the election.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:07 AM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 2:59 AM

I selectively follow laws, myself.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Don’t do it and you risk making the legal Mexicans/Latinos Democrat for life.

If it’s gone, it’s gone. I’d rather go down fighting and lose by doing the right thing than lose by committing suicide.

I am sure that will sell well with a majority of Americans…great image of small government supporting Americans using the machine of big government to “purge” the nation on the “unwanted” people….LOL!

William Eaton

Last I checked, Americans voted for big government the last 2 elections, so if you want to play that game, looks like they wouldn’t mind at all. Hey, maybe we should empty the prisons. We don’t want to ruin the image of small government by using the machine of big government to purge these unwanted people from our communities or anything. Especially the ones that have families. It’s kind of heartless putting those folks behind bars. Think of the children.

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

This is a war not between Republicans and Democrats, but between liberty and tyranny.

Sorry but I thought liberty is for all human beings, not just for a select few who by chance were born in a certain place?

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

What is the real problem? The people coming here, or the ridiculously easy availability of free welfare? Can you blame them for accepting something that is free? If we leave out honeypots, why do we blame the bees that get attracted to them?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

btw, despite the big talk of schumer (and hannity) there’s a lot of dems who can’t vote for amnesty…so my bet is that this is going to be around for a while. leftists and elite Rs will try to pin the blame on the evil nativists, but i don’t think there’s the votes anyway

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Last I checked, Americans voted for big government the last 2 elections

xblade on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

That’s really not what I got out of the last 2 elections. 2010 was certainly not a vote for big government. You could easily argue that what America wants is a Democrat president to hold their hand and a GOP congress to keep the books in balance.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:10 AM

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

We get millions every year from all over the world. Legally.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:10 AM

btw, despite the big talk of schumer (and hannity) there’s a lot of dems who can’t vote for amnesty…so my bet is that this is going to be around for a while. leftists and elite Rs will try to pin the blame on the evil nativists, but i don’t think there’s the votes anyway

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:09 AM

You’re thinking small picture. Democrats gladly sacrificed the House for single payer and they’ll gladly sacrifice a few seats for a permanent majority…. and even then, they might end up winning seats if we lose easy layups like Indiana and Missouri.

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:12 AM

What is the real problem? The people coming here, or the ridiculously easy availability of free welfare? Can you blame them for accepting something that is free? If we leave out honeypots, why do we blame the bees that get attracted to them?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

i hate to break it to you, but this doesn’t make any sense.

we are a nation of immigrants…and proudly so.

r keller on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Saw this article in NRO:

The people have spoken … and they must be punished
Marc Thiessen | November 7, 2012, 3:19 pm

After he was defeated for re-election in 1989, New York Mayor Ed Koch was asked if he would ever run for office again. “No,” Koch replied. “The people have spoken … and they must be punished.”

Well, it’s November 2012, and the people have spoken. Here’s how they will be punished.

Exit polls show that by a margin of 52-43, Americans want less government, not more. By a margin of 63-33 they do not want to raise taxes to balance the budget. And by a margin of 49-45, they want Obamacare either partially or entirely repealed. None of those wishes will be honored. Instead:

1. Obamacare will now become a permanent feature of the American political landscape. It will never be repealed.

2. The unprecedented levels of spending in Obama’s first four years will become the new floor, as America sets new records for fiscal profligacy and debt.

3. Job creators will face massive tax increases, and more Americans will come off the tax rolls—resulting in fewer citizens with a stake in keeping taxes low and more with a stake in protecting benefits.

4. Government dependency, already at record levels, will continue to grow.

5. Four lost years in dealing with the entitlement crisis will become eight—digging us into a hole from which we may not be able to emerge.

6. Obama, unworried about the impact of gas and electricity prices on his reelection, will finally wage the regulatory war on fossil fuels the Left demands.

7. He will unleash the Environmental Protection Agency to impose crushing new burdens on U.S. business.

8. His administration’s assault on religious freedom will go on and expand to new areas.

9. The Defense Department will be gutted, with cuts so deep that America will no longer be a superpower.

10. Obama will almost certainly have the opportunity to appoint more liberal Supreme Court justices, possibly replacing conservatives on the high court — ending the Roberts court in all but name for a generation.

And that’s only the beginning. Welcome to Obama’s second term.

Are we conservatives going to just lay down and let all this happen to our country? Isn’t John Boehner in the House in a position to fight implementation of Obamacare by de-funding it? Does anybody think he will do it? I don’t. He already stated today that Obamacare is the law of the land.

Perhaps it’s time for a conservative party. I’m serious.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 3:13 AM

El_Terrible on November 9, 2012 at 3:12 AM

Dems no longer have the house to sacrifice.

alwaysfiredup on November 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM

Sorry but I thought liberty is for all human beings, not just for a select few who by chance were born in a certain place?

What happened to being a “nation of immigrants”?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM

50 or a 100 million Chinese agree.

When do you let them in?

Heck why do we even have borders at all? Do we want to deny them liberty? Oh, the humanity!

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 3:14 AM

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