Projection: Nearly eight million white voters who were expected to vote, didn’t; Update: Or did they?

posted at 6:59 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

Essential reading from Sean Trende about the new demographic reality at the polls. Based on his back-of-the-envelope math, there are actually two reasons why there were more minority voters as a share of the electorate this time. One, the reason everyone knows: There were more minority voters, period. Two, the reason no one guessed: If current projections hold, there were many, many fewer white voters at the polls this year than in 2008.

Had the same number of white voters cast ballots in 2012 as did in 2008, the 2012 electorate would have been about 74 percent white, 12 percent black, and 9 percent Latino (the same result occurs if you build in expectations for population growth among all these groups). In other words, the reason this electorate looked so different from the 2008 electorate is almost entirely attributable to white voters staying home. The other groups increased their vote, but by less than we would have expected simply from population growth.

Who were they? He looked at his home state of Ohio to try to guess:

Where things drop off are in the rural portions of Ohio, especially in the southeast. These represent areas still hard-hit by the recession. Unemployment is high there, and the area has seen almost no growth in recent years.

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney’s wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

Yeah, I always thought the goal of Team O’s multifaceted class demagoguery of Romney wasn’t so much to win white working-class votes for Obama, which may have been unwinnable, as to keep potential Romney voters home. (Ross Douthat wrote about that in August too.) If Trende’s math is right, looks like it worked like gangbusters. Another bonbon from the national exit poll:

When voters were asked the same question about Obama, 10% said he’d favor the rich versus 44% who said the middle class. That was one of Romney’s meta-problems in trying to sell himself as the “recovery” candidate, of course. He was easily cast as a stereotypical rich country club Republican, and inexplicably he never did obvious things that he could have done to fight that image. He didn’t run positive ads early, while Obama was busy tearing him down every day with attack ads. He refused to run biographical ads until the very end showing off what a warm, kindhearted guy he is. He never went after Obama systematically on the basic point that preserving the liberal dream of a ballooning welfare state will require taxes on the middle class, not just “the one percent.” And he never pushed an agenda that was aimed overtly at breaks for the middle class. His task this year was to usher in a “new” Republican Party, partly in the spirit of the 2010 tea party takeover and partly in the spirit of flushing out all the stuff under Bush that soured the country on the GOP. But apart from choosing Paul Ryan, who didn’t get nearly as much time as I thought he would to push fiscal reform, there wasn’t a lot that felt new. Essentially, voters could keep O or give the guy who sounded like the guy whom O replaced a shot. Not surprising that a lot of people shrugged and stayed home.

This didn’t help Romney either:

The economic numbers are ugly but the trends were all the right way for O, and his final job approval ended up being several points higher than Bush’s was when he won reelection in 2004. How can that be? Well, here’s something I wrote in June of last year that I’ve been thinking about since Tuesday. There was an AP poll at the time that asked voters whether it was realistic to expect significant improvement in the economy in Obama’s first two years in office or whether it would take longer than that. To my surprise, the data showed that not only did the public not expect quick improvement, the number who said they didn’t remained basically constant month after month after month. Even though we were getting further and further into O’s term, the public wasn’t getting impatient. Here was my attempt to explain why at the time:

I think it could go two ways if he doesn’t turn things around by next year. One: The public will continue to cut him lots of slack well into 2012, but as the election approaches and they realize that this will be their last chance until 2016 to change course, they’ll bail and we’ll see a rapid snowball effect among those blaming him for not fixing the economy. Or two: The public will decide that the current recession is so uniquely horrible, unlike anything since the Great Depression, that it’s unfair to expect any president to make major strides in just one term, which will have the ironic effect of partly neutralizing the economy as an electoral issue. That’s completely counterintuitive given its singular importance right now (fully 93 percent in this poll say the economy is extremely or very important to them, an all-time high), but paradoxically the worse things get, the easier it is for Obama to frame slow growth and chronically high unemployment as some sort of mega-quake or force majeure for which no one could reasonably be expected to have been prepared.

Boldface added. How’s that prediction looking today? Here’s Joel Benenson, the Obama campaign’s pollster, explaining the keys to victory in the Times this morning:

Such conventional [economic] indicators failed to capture the mind-set of the American people who always had a broader view of the nation’s economic situation and what had happened to their lives. A national survey of 800 voters conducted by our firm — not for the Obama campaign — during the final weekend before Tuesday’s vote, confirmed that a clear majority of Americans viewed this election in the context of the scale of the economic crisis we faced and the deep recession that ensued.

Two key data points illustrate why Americans were always far more open to President Obama’s message and accomplishments than commentators assumed. By a three to one margin (74 percent to 23 percent), voters said that what the country faced since 2008 was an “extraordinary crisis more severe than we’ve seen in decades” as opposed to “a typical recession that the country has every several years.” At the same time, a clear majority, 57 percent, believed that the problems we faced after the crisis were “too severe for anyone to fix in a single term,” while only 4 in 10 voters believed another president would have been able to do more than Mr. Obama to get the economy moving in the past four years.

Bill Clinton famously pushed that message at the convention too, that this economic hurricane was actually Katrina/Sandy and therefore no one could reasonably be expected to have cleaned up all the debris yet. The voters bought it, and Romney’s only real countermove — hammering O on how housing policies championed by Democrats contributed to the fiscal crisis in 2008 — never really happened.

Anyway, this is all a way to try to explain why middle-class whites might have stayed home. As further validation of Trende’s theory, a quick comparison between the 2012 and 2008 exit polls shows that, among the six income classes used to measure voters, turnout as a percentage of the total electorate increased in five of them. The only one that dropped, by a whopping five percent (36% four years ago to 31% now): Voters who earn between $50,000 and $99,999 per year, i.e. the middle class. Obama and McCain basically split that vote, but Romney had a six-point advantage this time among those who showed up. Not enough did.

Needless to say, though, none of this should be taken as reassurance that the GOP’s majority is still out there and that they only need to concentrate on turning out working-class whites next time. If you assume that the exit poll’s 59/39 R/O split among whites who voted would have also held for whites who didn’t, then Romney lost a net 1.3 million votes from those who stayed home based on Trende’s projections. That’s an awful lot, but based on the current popular vote totals, it’s still not enough to erase Obama’s popular vote advantage. In fact, the GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election just once since 1988, and arguably that one — Bush’s victory in 2004 — was sui generis, a product of unusual dynamics after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. You know how Democrats regularly outnumber Republicans in polls of adults and registered voters? Well, the lesson of this election is that Obama’s organization was good enough at turning people out to make election day results look like a poll of registered voters. That’s a scary prospect for the GOP, and turning out more rural whites in Ohio won’t be enough to solve it.

Update: Pollster Bill McInturff fires back hard at Trende’s theory by insisting that, while turnout may be down a little this year, the “missing” voters can be explained very simply: They just haven’t been counted yet. In 2008, fully 9.5 million votes weren’t counted until after election day. This year, it could be as high as 9.9 million based on projection. In fact, he says, turnout in swing states was up. It’s the Sandy states, not surprisingly, where the vote went down:

Two things, though. One: Trende’s piece attempted to account for ballots that hadn’t been counted yet. He estimated that seven million were still outstanding. Even if he lowballed the number, there are still a lot of “missing” voters. Two: The exit poll data about reduced turnout among middle-class voters is what it is, no matter how many ballots are still out. I’m not sure why Sandy would have affected the middle class disproportionately, which means something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls.

Update: Trende e-mails with a third objection to McInturff. Turnout in Ohio, the swingiest state of all, evidently was not up this year:

Ohio vote is in, less provisional ballots. That’s why I used Ohio for my article. Absentees here were counted first this year.

200K provisional ballots were cast in 2008. If as many were cast this year, it would yield about 3.35M votes in OH (since about a fifth to a quarter are typically tossed).

In 2008, 3.62M were cast. So contra McInturff’s post, turnout was down in at least one swing state not on the Atlantic coast, and by about 8% at that. Of course, Ohio’s population has also grown since 2008, if only slightly.


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Question is not what you and I can do about it, but what Boehner and McConnell will do? They are obviously fine with the results.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The GOP will do nothing. This is a job for you, me and the rest of the blogging community to bring to the light of day. Isn’t that what the people at LittleGreenFootballs did in 2004 when they determined that the document Dan Rather showed the world about Bush was a fake?

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM

There aren’t many, are there? I can’t even really think of one.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Well, GOP did their best to eliminate Allen West. And succeeded with Mia Love in UT. Pence left on his own. DeMint is leaving on his own. That’s about it.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

The GOP will do nothing. This is a job for you, me and the rest of the blogging community to bring to the light of day. Isn’t that what the people at LittleGreenFootballs did in 2004 when they determined that the document Dan Rather showed the world about Bush was a fake?

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I still do not like you, but good luck.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Sadly no, there aren’t. I don’t think the GOP much likes conservatives.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Newt, there is Newt. Believe it or not, he was more conservative than Reagan’s policies. Not that he necessarily was more conservative than Reagan was. Reagan was limited by the possible.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Yes…but they hate Newt Gingrich.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Yes…but they hate Newt Gingrich.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Main reason to go with him.

Liberals wanted Romney all along, for obvious reasons, too bad GOP idiots listened to liberals to select their candidate.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Yes…but they hate Newt Gingrich.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

True, even Hot Air hated him enough to coordinate an attack to take him out of the primaries.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Anyway, guys, have a good night. I’ll check if its not too windy to light a cigar…

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Evangelicals joined Libertarians in saying goodbye to the eSTAB-Conservatives-in-the-Back Republicans! A larger portion of the right will move away from the eSTAB repubs every electionWhen you Arrogantly Act Like A LIB, you will lose your voters! Get used to it! Not that those clowns will ever listen, but the people handing them money will also start shrinking from them, as they continue to lose votes! They should be referred to as Libicans!
The Fight against the Obama Enemy media Continues: http://paratisiusa.blogspot.com/2012/09/an-open-letter-to-those-who-should-know.html?spref=tw

God Bless America!

paratisi on November 8, 2012 at 11:17 PM

I can’t wait for all those voters that sat on their a$$es and didn’t go vote to start paying out those collective a$$es and soon, and one can imagine the wailing, renting of clothes and gnashing of teeth. “Oh woe is us, what has happened?”

Quoting from the tax firm Ernst and Young, Edelman lists them:
– The federal capital gains tax rate will rise from 15 percent to a maximum of 24.7 percent
– The federal tax rate on dividends will rise from 15 percent to a maximum of 44.7 percent
– The federal tax rate on interest will rise from 15 percent to a maximum of 44.7 percent
– The payroll tax will rise from 4.2 percent to a maximum of 6.2 percent
– The estate tax, currently applicable to estates above $5 million, will be applied to estates worth just $1 million.
Hat tip TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 3:41 PM

In addition, that Caddilac Tax? It becomes the Neverending Tax:
The “Cadillac tax” on high-cost health care isn’t scheduled to take effect until 2018. But because the tax is linked to general inflation, and not medical inflation, it will hit more and more health plans over time – not just “Cadillac” insurance plans, but “Chevy” plans and even “Yugo” health plans.…The “high income” surtax is not indexed for inflation at all – it’s designed to hit more and more middle-income families every year. Page 87 of the 2010 Medicare trustees report notes that the tax will hit only 3 percent of workers next year, when the tax takes effect – but a whopping 79 percent of all workers by 2080.

- http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nancy-pfotenhauer/2012/07/03/four-flaws-of-obamacare

They may have not built that, but they are sure as hell going to pay for it, and soon.

Tenwheeler on November 8, 2012 at 11:19 PM

aww, is that you Chris Matthews?? as demented as him, for sure, but then what’s new. who said that Romney’s voters in UT are racists, to be honest I can’t pretend I have access to their heads or that can read their minds and understand their motives, like you seem to. Romney’s supporters didn’t vote for Mourdock or that nut job Akin either, in IN and MO, and last time I checked they are both as white (and nuts) like you.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

They voted for Romney but did not vote for Mia Love. Romney even increased his numbers significantly in Utah, but somehow… I cannot think of any other reason. Can you?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:57 PM

And because you can’t think of any reason, it must be racism :)… paranoid, much? Or projecting? Or both?

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Liberals wanted Romney all along, for obvious reasons, too bad GOP idiots listened to liberals to select their candidate.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Nope. It didn’t matter who the GOP ran. The Left would have burned them in media hell just like they did Romney.

Tenwheeler on November 8, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Main reason to go with him.

Liberals wanted Romney all along, for obvious reasons, too bad GOP idiots listened to liberals to select their candidate.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:16 PM

The GOP would spend their time cutting his legs out from under like they did in the primaries and like they did with Palin.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Nope. It didn’t matter who the GOP ran. The Left would have burned them in media hell just like they did Romney.

Tenwheeler on November 8, 2012 at 11:21 PM

So…maybe we should have gone with a fighter rather than a lover (The president is a nice guy)?

THIS tends not to work against Democrats.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM

And because you can’t think of any reason, it must be racism :)… paranoid, much? Or projecting? Or both?

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 11:20 PM

No, just making a point. Coattails matter. Romney under performed. it hurts all of the people on the ticket. But you are nothing but one of Romney’s future earth inhabitants so you can worship him for eternity, so to you, Romney is perfect, like the God he will be to you when he ascends. Pretty pathetic how you have to protect him so much, from ME! Protect Romney from ME! that has to be painful!

By the way, what have you done with your life? Still wondering if you want to attack me on my VA disability or not…

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:27 PM

In Ohio, as in some other swing states, there are, ironically I think, Republican governors who have performed admirably “and instituted policies that have actually helped their states … not so swing but better functioning Wisconsin, and swingy Colorado, Virginia, Florida, Pennsylvania).

Unemployment was lower, for example, in Ohio than in many other states due to Kasich’s work. Many people were feeling less economic pain – which ended up helping Obama.

Sometimes I think, because conservative, business friendly policies actually WORK … And Obama took the credit, as he is famously wont and allowed to do.

Without people experiencing pain there is no reason to change presidents. Not ALL swing states had Republican governors, but WAY many of them did. There may be errors in my thinking, and I am sure HA readers will challenge me, but …

Coincidence? I think not.

marybel on November 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Dear Leader went for the 30% of the High School Dropout Vote he got in 2008, with great success. Remember, the 70% that year was a new American record.

2012 CNN Exit Results of Key State High School Dropout Voters for O’bamna:

PA: 82%

CA: 80%

NV: 73%

All of the above are new records.

And a couple of others…

OH: 67%

FL: 66%

Keep ‘em Dumb and Happy. Happy Turkey Day!

Del Dolemonte on November 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Dear Leader went for the 30% of the High School Dropout Vote he didn’t get in 2008, with great success. Remember, the 70% that year was a new American record.

Sorry about that.

Del Dolemonte on November 8, 2012 at 11:33 PM

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM

I still do not like you, but good luck.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

I get the feeling he doesn’t like me either, JPeterman. Or most anybody.

Plantation owner davidk is a puke a human being. In fact, seems to be a good description of most Americans at this time.

astonerii on November 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

davidk on November 8, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Look at this peculiarity:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM

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Wow, Saddam Hussein numbers in Cleveland!
Folks, I’m thinking more and more that that the fix was in for this election.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Well, GOP did their best to eliminate Allen West. And succeeded with Mia Love in UT. Pence left on his own. DeMint is leaving on his own. That’s about it.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

What did the GOP do to eliminate Allen West? Or Mia Love for that matter?

alchemist19 on November 8, 2012 at 11:40 PM

The GOP will do nothing. This is a job for you, me and the rest of the blogging community to bring to the light of day. Isn’t that what the people at LittleGreenFootballs did in 2004 when they determined that the document Dan Rather showed the world about Bush was a fake?

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM

And I wonder: does anybody have any freaking idea of how WE are going to accomplish anything? Huh? How exactly is that going to happen? Crickets, anyone? Thought so. Freedom and liberty; just words now. Just words. I’m nobody’s friend right now, because most people are just talk and no action in every endeavor they ever pursue.

HiJack on November 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Or did they?
Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow “30%” Above Gov’t Numbers

orfannkyl on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Wow, unbelievable. And I suppose a dog ate about 5 million Romney votes. It’s official, gang. We’re a third world banana republic.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM

What did the GOP do to eliminate Allen West?

alchemist19 on November 8, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Allen West Betrayed

http://townhall.com/columnists/armstrongwilliams/2012/03/13/allen_west_betrayed/page/full/

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I still do not like you, but good luck.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:14 PM

And I’m still waiting for the links where I said I’m entitled to social security, that I’m entitled and that we argued about.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:46 PM

And I wonder: does anybody have any freaking idea of how WE are going to accomplish anything? Huh? How exactly is that going to happen? Crickets, anyone? Thought so. Freedom and liberty; just words now. Just words.

HiJack on November 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM

“There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order.”

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:47 PM

And I wonder: does anybody have any freaking idea of how WE are going to accomplish anything? Huh? How exactly is that going to happen? Crickets, anyone? Thought so. Freedom and liberty; just words now. Just words. I’m nobody’s friend right now, because most people are just talk and no action in every endeavor they ever pursue.

HiJack on November 8, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Well, someone obviously is trying.

Fraud in PA: Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow “30%” Above Gov’t Numbers

Get off your butt instead of complaining.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:48 PM

Regarding the UPDATE…

If 9 million voters just haven’t been counted, and the “enthusiastic” Republican voters voted early, what could that do to the results???

desertdweller on November 8, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Including Al Gore Sr., if I remember correctly. He didn’t change parties did he?

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Nope. And there’s Fulbright, the Arkansas Senator. He was Bill Clinton’s early mentor. And people forget that a young Jimmy Carter ran a pretty racist campaign for Governor of George – where he had the endorsement of Lester Maddox. I think those guys were always Democrats too.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Allen West Betrayed

http://townhall.com/columnists/armstrongwilliams/2012/03/13/allen_west_betrayed/page/full/

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:44 PM

I thought that’s what you were talking about. I’m going to drop a truth bomb on you: The author of the article you linked is ill-informed, a liar or both.

Here’s the truth: Allen West won election in FL-22. That district WAS gerrymandered. Seriously, look at it on a map. It followed the coast and only jutted inland where is had to to capture as many Republican-leaning precincts as possible to carve out a district that was D+1 in a heavily Democrat area of southern Florida. In 2010 the people of Florida (the same electorate who gave us Marco Rubio, by the way) voted in favor of an anti-gerrymandering law that limited what the Florida legislature could do in redesigning districts after the 2010 census. Between the 2010 ballot measure the people of Florida wanted and the requirements of the Voting Rights Act it became literally impossible to preserve a district favorable to West in the area in which he lived. When it became apparent West was in trouble after the new districts were drawn there were people on here saying the same things in your article: that is was all a big conspiracy by the all-powerful Republican Establishment who hates Allen West for some reason and was trying to remove him from office. It may have been divorced from facts but it sure fit a narrative real nice.

In fact if you go back to the Hot Air archives you can find people offering money to any poster who could draw a Republican-leaning district in the area West lived that was in compliance with both the Voting Rights Act, the anti-gerrymandering ballot measure. No one could. If you can though I’ll eat my words, dig through the archives myself to find who was offering the cash and let you know so you can see if you can still collect.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Our new state slogan: Come to PA where even the dead get to vote.

bandutski on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Second, one reason ‘O’s numbers are down so significantly is that Palin was not on the ticket. They didn’t turn out in mass numbers to votes against the R ticket. They just stayed home.

(And now the Palin fans bring out the claws …)

I’m just a conservative dealing with facts people. The media hyped the hate for Palin as we all know. To the tune of millions of extra ‘O’ votes in 2008.

Carnac on November 8, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Pretty good facts:-)

bluefox on November 9, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Numbers actually prove massive fraud. Too bad that GOP leaders are more than fine with that and blame “stupid voters” instead. Asking a simple vote review and recount in some of these precincts, via court order, just as West did, obviously doesn’t fit their agenda.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

There are reports of poll workers in those Allen West counties, and poll workers in Philadelphia, locking the doors when the polls closed and they were beginning to tabulate votes. I think that’s against the law. Man, this stinks to high heaven.

TarheelBen on November 9, 2012 at 12:12 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49729819/ns/local_news-west_palm_beach_fl/t/allen-west-files-lawsuit-against-palm-beach-county-elections-office/

U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., has filed a lawsuit against the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Office asking a judge to impound all paper ballots cast and voting machines used in his contentious congressional race.

bluefox on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Well, someone obviously is trying.

Fraud in PA: Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow “30%” Above Gov’t Numbers

Get off your butt instead of complaining.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:48 PM

This.

Why are we so eager to sweep voter fraud under the rug and blame our turnout to no end?

Why don’t we even try to investigate? It’s never too late. Watergate and fraud in 2008 Indiana Dem primary were uncovered after the elections.

I haven’t spent much time on Nate Silver’s predictions, does anyone here know if someone has questioned why he was so accurate?

thepoint on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

I haven’t spent much time on Nate Silver’s predictions, does anyone here know if someone has questioned why he was so accurate?

thepoint on November 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

It wasn’t just Silver. There are other decently-known statisticians who did Monte Carlo simulations on the state polling data and got the exact same result, Silver just gets the notoriety because his model is one of (if not the) most complex and he writes about it. You don’t even need a complicated model; I got 49 states right (missed FL if Bam’s margin holds up) just by looking at the numbers and guessing.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 12:31 AM

That Colorado report that was done by the profs from U of Colorado that has accurately picked the President going back many decades really missed it this year. So why do you think that happened?

Truthfully, I think there was an enormous amount of fraud. I think that there are Romney votes that were never counted in states like Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin. I don’t trust the election officials in those states.

Voter from WA State on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

They would have the statisticians there required to do an analysis of the election results. I hope they start with a simple addition of all the precinct numbers or machine numbers if they can get them. I still don’t understand what role George Soros’s Spain-based company played in the election results collection, but having that nightmare of a human being anywhere near the US election system is just insane.

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Well, despite a few defectors, most blacks still voted for Obama/Dems despite the damage the Dems have done to them.

Sadly, blacks are still slaves but instead of a harvest of cotton, they for misguided reasons provide a harvest of votes for Dems in exchange for “free” stuff that never uplifts them but rather keeps them dependent.

Call me racist for saying so. I don’t give s#!t.

MALCOLM X: “You’re A Political Chump!”

Yakko77 on November 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Voter from WA State on November 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

For it to be fraud, and we’re talking millions of votes on a national scale, it would require a conspiracy so massive that it couldn’t be kept secret. If Watergate and the president getting oral sex in the Oval Office became public knowledge then you can darn sure bet that in this day and age, forging over a million votes and spreading them across every state in the union is going to get out. We do ourselves a disservice by pretending it’s anything other than we lost a national election mostly fair and square.

The problem with the Colorado model is it looks at the economy in absolute terms and in that sense it’s very bad. When he made his prediction though he qualified it by saying that if voters instead look at the economy in relative terms, and while it is bad it’s slightly better than it was, that Obama might be okay. This is hardly the first time voters have done that either.

Just for historical reference for you, the unemployment rate in November of 1984 for Reagan’s 49 state landslide was 7.2%.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

For it to be fraud, and we’re talking millions of votes on a national scale, it would require a conspiracy so massive that it couldn’t be kept secret…

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

I agree that it couldn’t be that massive, so we should concentrate any investigation on some way to do it that doesn’t require a massive organization. Possibly voting machine software corruption, or something to do with collection of data.

It also doesn’t have to be a ‘massive conspiracy’, just a bunch of small ones. Think cellular.

Re keeping it secret, we don’t learn about secrets successfully kept. JFK likely stole the election of 1960 via Illinois, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. Nixon knew it. If it’s done well, there’s not a whole lot that you can do after it’s over and the ballots are quickly shredded.

There’s also this from 2008: Wikileaks – Democratic Voter Fraud Won Pennsylvania & Ohio in 2008

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 12:57 AM

slickwillie2001 on November 9, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Remember when we made fun of the Democrats when they were crying about Diebold in 2004 because they just couldn’t accept the fact they lost so it had to be some kind of dirty trick because Bush was so awful there was just no way he could possibly be re-elected? Don’t be them.

If you’re going to believe there was fraud and Romney won then you’re also going to have to allege all the polling data was also rigged because, even throwing out Silver and all the other statisticians who nailed the final results in every state exactly, just the boring old RCP average also got 49 out of 50 states right.

Cooking all the polls and cooking the final vote count strains credulity beyond its breaking point. We lost. We need to accept that, get up, dust ourselves off, figure out how and why that happened then move to make sure it doesn’t happen again. If we don’t we’re more liable to ignore any lessons in this result and again make the same mistakes that cost us this election.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Look at this peculiarity:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Kind of makes you wonder if all the canvassing and data-mining OFA does isn’t for the sole purpose of finding out who isn’t going to vote and voting for them.

HumpBot Salvation on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Any GOP voter who stayed home simply out of resentment that Romney is a rich guy or a businessman deserves to suffer another 4 years of Obama. The same as Paultard or a Gary Johnson pothead. There simply is NO EXCUSE for not voting if you oppose Obama. None. Shame on them.

cicerone on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Kind of makes you wonder if all the canvassing and data-mining OFA does isn’t for the sole purpose of finding out who isn’t going to vote and voting for them.

HumpBot Salvation on November 9, 2012 at 1:18 AM

If that’s what they’re doing then they’re doing a poor job of it. Obama got over 25,000 fewer votes in Cuyahoga County than Kerry did in 2004. Even if there was some fraud we still lost big. Come on, people. If we refuse to face cold, hard truths just because they’re unpleasant then we might as well be Democrats.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 1:28 AM

Someone please explain to me what happened to the 2-3 million McCain voters that stayed home this Tuesday.

This is just unimaginable.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Someone please explain to me what happened to the 2-3 million McCain voters that stayed home this Tuesday.

This is just unimaginable.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Most people didn’t want Romney which was very clearly shown in the primaries. Enough of them didn’t change their minds on election day.

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Has anyone considered, would it be so bad for Congress to just agree to Obama’s tax on the wealthy?

I mean, the whole argument was that the tax increases would hurt businesses and kill jobs and the economy will tank.

But at this point I say, WHY NOT let the economy tank?

Just let Obama do whatever the heck he wants. Let him own the whole mess. Why not let the people get what they deserve?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I just saw Boehner’s interview and as usual he’s got it all backwards again, as usual.

We should not give in on amnesty, but let them raise taxes. Just let them.

Why keep fighting this battle? And let ourselves appear to be “appeasers” of the rich? Let taxes go up and if so be it, let the economy tank. Why should we care? It will only hurt Obama, not Republicans.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Someone please explain to me what happened to the 2-3 million McCain voters that stayed home this Tuesday.

This is just unimaginable.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 AM

People vote for lots of reasons, especially the ones who aren’t politically engaged. McCain was a veteran and that appeals to some people very strongly. McCain’s experience argument against Obama was very compelling. The campaign was very negative and that turns off some people who don’t like politics much to begin with who might have voted for McCain in 2008 There were probably a couple true believers on our side who were so full of sour grapes they stayed home because Palin decided not to run, or they drank the Kool-Aid on the whole “Republican Establishment” thing. The list goes on.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:00 AM

I just saw Boehner’s interview and as usual he’s got it all backwards again, as usual.

We should not give in on amnesty, but let them raise taxes. Just let them.

Why keep fighting this battle? And let ourselves appear to be “appeasers” of the rich? Let taxes go up and if so be it, let the economy tank. Why should we care? It will only hurt Obama, not Republicans.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 1:58 AM

There are many things that can be done on immigration well short of amnesty, and we should seriously consider looking at some of them. Democrats excel at playing racial identity politics and for as long as immigration stays an issue we’re giving them a club to beat us with; the longer they get to say “Republicans don’t like people who look like you!” the worse it’s going to get for us.

Plus if we do something like a visa program for illegals here now (and I’m just throwing that out as an example) we broaden the tax base as they enter the above-board workforce, and once they do start paying taxes they’re going to start to wonder why they’re so high.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:06 AM

sharrukin on November 9, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Any luck coming up with the congressional district that could have been drawn legally and would have saved Allen West?

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:07 AM

There are many things that can be done on immigration well short of amnesty, and we should seriously consider looking at some of them. Democrats excel at playing racial identity politics and for as long as immigration stays an issue we’re giving them a club to beat us with; the longer they get to say “Republicans don’t like people who look like you!” the worse it’s going to get for us.

Plus if we do something like a visa program for illegals here now (and I’m just throwing that out as an example) we broaden the tax base as they enter the above-board workforce, and once they do start paying taxes they’re going to start to wonder why they’re so high.

Yeah I think something close to what Bush proposed in 07 would not be bad at all. A work visa program combined with a pathway to legal status after paying a fine.

Immigration as well as taxes are just losing issues for Republicans. It’s not worth the damage to the brand by fighting these battles, and “giving in” on these issues would not mean giving up Conservative principles. There are a lot more other battles we can fight the Dems on…entitlement reform, govt spending, tort reform, etc etc the list is endless.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:28 AM

I mean it’s one thing for a Republican to raise taxes himself like Bush 92 did, it’s another thing to say they were simply forced by Obama to go along with it. I just don’t see how it hurts the Republicans politically if they give in on this issue.

The clear majority of people now see the Republicans as the “obstructionists”, that perception needs to be changed.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 2:34 AM

I like Rush’s idea of offering Clinton-era tax rates in exchange for Clinton-era spending levels (adjusted for inflation). It’s simple, it’s easy to understand and when the Bamster won’t take it’s him that has to explain why.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:47 AM

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:00 AM

Of course I’ve considered that, but it doesn’t account for it. A lot of people stayed home for their own reasons in 2008 as well, and considering the dismal campaign McCain ran, it could be argued that even more people would have stayed home then. If Romney had earned the same count McCain did, or slightly more or slightly less, then it could be chalked up to general apathy or disillusionment.

But for Romney to earn 2-3 million less than McCain, when the electorate was numerically larger, and GOP voter registration was way up, and the crowds so large at the Romney events, and the excellent first debate that raised so many spirits not to mention all of the disparate indicators showing the public had changed their opinion of Obama- such as the 29 newspapers switching their endorsements from Obama in ’08 to Romney, and the Frank Luntz focus groups of disillusioned Obama voters switching to Romney et al- it just doesn’t compute.

You’d have to completely erase from memory the 2010 landslide to accept that Romney’s take would be lower.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

What did you do with your life?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Actually, exceptionally well, but then it”s a matter of birth, choices, and opportunities, I was lucky on all three fronts. As for your service, you can get off your soap box now, my wife is in the AF too, yet she doesn’t go on and on and on about how heroic her work is, much less to strangers on the internet. Her attitude towards it ‘it’s a job, like any other, she chose it and she doesn’t expect gratitude or a statue :).but then she’s a realist. As for the mil retirement check, you call it what you want but it’s still a govt benefit, not a payment for a service, active duty are paid for a service, retired personnel receive benefits. and as you well know, it is arguable at which age they should receive it, some argue that the benefits should hit when the retired service members hit the SS age, with the exception, of course, of disabled veterans. and that’s the direction that the Pentagon is taking in reforming the military benefits system. it is very likely that the new enrolees won’t benefit from retirement checks upon hitting the 20 year service mark. So, it’s not a given, or won’t be anymore.

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Yeah I think something close to what Bush proposed in 07 would not be bad at all.

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012

Because that ended up working out just great, didn’t it?

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 2:52 AM

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Midterms and presidential years are totally different. It’s not that the people who came out in 2010 sat home on Tuesday, it’s that people who sat home in 2010 came out this week.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Because that ended up working out just great, didn’t it?

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Nothing happened and that’s the problem; it played into the Democrats hands perfectly. It was Republican opposition that stopped Bush twice, and since then all we’ve talked about is border fences and “No amnesty.” Between that and the Arizona immigration law we haven’t exactly made it hard for a group of professional race baiters to say “Republicans hate people that look like you.” It might not be true but when has truth ever got in the way of the Democrat Party? The trend speaks for itself: Bush got 40% of the Latino vote, McCain got about 30% and Romney was down in the 20s. If the Democrat duplicate their performance with African-Americans then we’re sunk, and we’re letting them do it.

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 3:04 AM

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 2:56 AM

Yes, Obama voters who stayed home in 2010 came out Tues, but Republicans and Independents who stayed home then also came out now.

This needs to be studied closely to determine if fraud happened on a scale large enough to have altered the outcome of this election. If there was such massive fraud, then it needs to be uncovered and something done about it, if most likely not fraud, then that should be established in order to dispel rumours and bolster the public’s faith in our electoral process.

I’ve thought up myself and read others proposing various scenarios that would account for the 2-3 million missing ’08 McCain voters but nothing that puts to rest my suspicions.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 3:31 AM

alchemist19 on November 9, 2012 at 3:04 AM

The problem with Bush’s Amnesty push was not that it didn’t go through, but that he tried it in the first place. They dropped it because it was massively unpopular- solid bipartisan rejection. The voters overwhelming don’t want Amnesty.

If opposing Amnesty means the GOP will continue to receive only about 20% of the “Hispanic vote”, then so be it. Whatever hispanics are turned away by that stance, many more white democrats and even blacks and members of non-hispanic minorities that oppose Amnesty will be drawn to the GOP. Anti-Amnesty is a winning issue for us, while supporting it is certain death to the party.

The Arizona law polled positively nationwide. If Romney had jumped on that, the support of working class whites who flocked to the polls would have bee enough to give Romney a fraud-proof victory.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 3:40 AM

The problem with Bush’s Amnesty push was not that it didn’t go through, but that he tried it in the first place. They dropped it because it was massively unpopular- solid bipartisan rejection. The voters overwhelming don’t want Amnesty.

It became unpopular because the likes of Michelle Malkin etc ran a successful campaign demonizing and obscuring what the term “amnesty” really meant. It didn’t mean a free ticket to citizenship.

And the polls now indicate a majority of Americans want comprehensive immigration reform.

If opposing Amnesty means the GOP will continue to receive only about 20% of the “Hispanic vote”, then so be it. Whatever hispanics are turned away by that stance, many more white democrats and even blacks and members of non-hispanic minorities that oppose Amnesty will be drawn to the GOP. Anti-Amnesty is a winning issue for us, while supporting it is certain death to the party.

Those are a lot of assumptions you’re making there. If even one of them proves untrue, we’re screwed even worse than if we did support reform. Apparently no one learned any lesson from what happened on Tuesday?

tkyang99 on November 9, 2012 at 3:49 AM

A lot of people stayed home for their own reasons in 2008 as well, and considering the dismal campaign McCain ran, it could be argued that even more people would have stayed home then. If Romney had earned the same count McCain did, or slightly more or slightly less, then it could be chalked up to general apathy or disillusionment.

You’d have to completely erase from memory the 2010 landslide to accept that Romney’s take would be lower.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Mccain ran lousy campaign and until he picked his veep. Then there was a deep dramatic game change. Even after the bailouts which angered many conservatives and they stayed homed, enough came out that Mccain beat Romney, as you say, even after massive voter registration and an unpopular Dem president.

Again, 2010 landslide hardly happened because of Romney. He was hidden from the view and it took Palin and the tea party to bring about the landslide. With both of them banished from King Mittens party, we see what the idiot is truly capable of.

promachus on November 9, 2012 at 6:44 AM

What this says to me is it’s no longer enough to be the lesser of two evils. You need to inspire people to come out and vote for you. This should be a huge lesson to the GOP- the party that historically chases the most charismatic potential candidates into oblivion. The party that insists on picking the most serious and “competent-appearing” loser. I came to love Mitt Romney through this past year but I’m an informed MA voter and it took me 10 years to reach that conclusion- he’s a great guy, might have been a great president but he’s not “available” on a personal level. I said this in 2008 and again now: In the age of spectator-sport politics , the candidate needs to be naturally inspirational. I hope our future is Rubio, Palin, or West and not Portman, Gingrich, McDonnel etc…

mxt on November 9, 2012 at 6:48 AM

Oy republican liberals are as neurotic as the Democratic liberals. It is fun seeing all the Mittwits explode with conspiracy theories, no it’s a fraud, it’s a truly gigantic fraud. If Obama could engineer such a gigantic fraud why didn’t he get himself a few more million votes than be content to get 10 million less than his previous bid? In my best Atlas Shrugged voice…blank out.

promachus on November 9, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Well, the MSM won’t cover this…or anything else. My take.

kingsjester on November 9, 2012 at 6:58 AM

alchemist: Two things, one small and one large.

The small thing is that you say that there was little to no fraud in this election because you would have to cook the polls as well. You assume that the fraud was not designed to deliver the poll results.

To someone versed in stochastics, the fact that the result was _so_ near the poll predictions is not a good thing. ALL forecasts are wrong, and the sample size of even polls of polls are not sufficient to deliver the kind of accuracy that was achieved in this election cycle.

The larger thing is that you assume that if the GOP caves on amnesty, the Democrat party will still not demonize them over it.

Why?

You assume rationality in the electorate, and I would argue that after this election, that is no longer a rational assumption. The electorate (or at least a majority of it) now believes whatever the Democrat party says because it is the Democrat party which says it.

For example, who does the electorate blame for no budget being released? Which party is playing obstructionist politics in Congress? The electorate will say the GOP, when that is provably not the case. So why do you believe that if the GOP House passes an amnesty bill that they will get any credit for it? The President will get the credit for his ‘leadership’.

Stop assuming the electorate will be able to trace cause and effect. They have proven that they cannot.

Scott H on November 9, 2012 at 6:58 AM

Greetings amigos!

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We’ll be a Big Tent movement, hellbent on beating the ‘Rats at engineering America’s downfall to a 3rd world Banana Republic!
.
voila: Banana Republicans!!
The “Rats use “quantitative easing” to slowly wreck our economy. We’ll use “damn the torpedoes” easing to wreck the entire WORLD economy!!!

Lazy white voters and “Evolving” conservatives are prime targets for our revolucion, and Sean Hannity is now fair game.

We’ve also targeted has-been dimwit, I mean fearless leader Joe Biden, who will require a slight name change to fool the masses. We want foreign sounding names, and Joe’s needs to sound more French.

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Sweet_Thang on November 9, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Any GOP voter who stayed home simply out of resentment that Romney is a rich guy or a businessman deserves to suffer another 4 years of Obama. The same as Paultard or a Gary Johnson pothead. There simply is NO EXCUSE for not voting if you oppose Obama. None. Shame on them.

cicerone on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 AM

There were 2 choices. Life is always about choices- to stay home and not vote is a disgrace. There will never be a candidate that will please everybody.

redridinghood on November 9, 2012 at 7:41 AM

One can analyze the numbers all they want, the simple fact is that Romney was a horrible candidate, for more reasons than one.
And, let us not forget, as everyone appears to, that real Christians will not vote for a cultist. Romney’s out of this world (literally) “religious” beliefs are so bizarre that it makes Obama’s bromance with Jeremiah Wright pale in comparison.
And, don’t ignore the fact that neither Mittens nor any of his FIVE sons served their country. Where is their patriotism?
What an embarrassment.

In Sum: It’s time for the GOP and RNC to develop more conservatives or just give it up.
Period.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 9, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Is this what Hot Air is going to be from now on? A bunch of people pointing fingers and blaming everyone but the real culprits? Admit it. No one could have convinced Obama supporters to leave him. And many so-called Repubs and even Conservatives don’t want to give up their entitlements…whether it’s TANF or Social Security or SSI. When push comes to shove they will vote for whoever gives them their comfort.
Does anyone really think those so-called Repubs chose not to vote at all? I don’t. I think they voted for Obama. It was the Dems who stayed home. The ones for whom Obama wasn’t Liberal enough, hard to believe I know. And the ones who just didn’t get motivated enough to vote this time, the ‘hey I’m busy watching TV pass me the chips and go the store for more with my Access card’ crowd.
And you know what else? People lie to pollsters. Who wanted to admit they voted for Obama if they were a registered Repub? Who wanted to admit they voted because they were afraid because Romney was a Mormon…yeah it happened. Who wanted to admit they are really selfish little people who wnat their entitlements and are really no better than the Libs they hear other Repubs make fun of?
We lost because we can’t have a candidate that appeals to the 84% of Phillie types. For now we’re stuck with 70 years of socialism and no one candidate will change that. I suggest working at the state and local level and hope the IRS screws up Obamacare and gets so over-loaded they cry. But trying to blame the candidates is a waste of time.
Yeah, it is the voters, stupid.

Deanna on November 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I can agree to a certain extent, I made the point elsewhere that a lot of Republicans these days were on unemployment and welfare, more so than in 2008. I think they stayed home. Undoubtedly some voted for President Obama as well. It’s hard to say for sure how many lied about voting for Romney versus how many actually stayed home though. To me, psychologically, it seems easier to just stay home rather than voting for the guy you think is worse for the country but better for your short-term self-interest.

I could be wrong. There’s a lot of that going around lately.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 8:08 AM

gop…….dead.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 8:22 AM

No one could have convinced Obama supporters to leave him.
Deanna on November 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Funny but 9million LESS people voted for Obama. Or in other words someone convinced 9 million former Obama supporters to leave him. the problem was no one wanted to vote for the rich fatcall wallstreeter with close ties to the GOP DC establishment

In fact 2.3 million people who voted for McCain could not pull the lever for the Wall Streeter that is why Mitt lost. It had nothing to do with religion. It was his record. He was the wrong man for the wrong time. A conservative would have wiped the floor with obama. the middle class was crying ouot for a champion to save them as the results of 2010 showed and the eleites gave us Obama vs the elitist.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 8:23 AM

What a shocker. Race motivated one group in particular to vote this year and it wasn’t the whites. Blacks (particularly the uneducated) are the racists in 21st century America. Fo real.

RepubChica on November 9, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Bush damaged the GOP brand so badly that Obama is still coasting on that two elections later.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

No…we gave up defending him.

We’re never going to win an election again until we can dispel the myth that President Obama is a better President than Bush was. Or that Iraq was “unneccessary” and based on a “lie”. Everytime you allow the Democrats to get away with saying they inherited “the mess Bush made” you lose the battle.

Why are we accepting their premises still? Didn’t Breitbart teach us anything?

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Plantation owner davidk is a puke a human being. In fact, seems to be a good description of most Americans at this time.

astonerii on November 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

davidk on November 8, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Slave owner davidk comes to the rescue. what a hero you are. So, how many slaves you own there davidk? Last word was there are 1.75 public workers for every social security beneficiary. How far are you willing to go to make those few slaves provide your lifestyle for you?

astonerii on November 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM

gop…….dead.

PappyD61 on November 9, 2012 at 8:22 AM

We can only hope it is a quick diagnosis and it gets buried sooner rather than later.

astonerii on November 9, 2012 at 8:30 AM

jimver on November 9, 2012 at 2:51 AM

So you effectively did nothing worth while in your life other than live off the coattails of your parents and your wife. What an awesome person.

astonerii on November 9, 2012 at 8:32 AM

At this point, I’m hoping that the House sits back and allows us to go over the “fiscal cliff”. It’s time for people, especially the entitlement moochers, to understand that there’s no free ride in life. Instead of cutting the military, the GOP has to focus on entitlements and bet their jobs on it. The fact of the matter is that they could have stopped Obama a log time ago, but care more about their jobs than the country.

I’m ready for the riots that enivitability come as a result of the federal government hooking the moron class on their drugs. It’s time that the GOP act conservative or just go away. One part is better than this sham.

cajunpatriot on November 9, 2012 at 8:33 AM

What a shocker. Race motivated one group in particular to vote this year and it wasn’t the whites. Blacks (particularly the uneducated) are the racists in 21st century America. Fo real.

RepubChica on November 9, 2012 at 8:26 AM

Blacks have voted 90%+ for white Democrats since the late 60s. The Obama vote is hardly indicative of some racially-motivate shift.

We’re never going to win an election again until we can dispel the myth that President Obama is a better President than Bush was. Or that Iraq was “unneccessary” and based on a “lie”. Everytime you allow the Democrats to get away with saying they inherited “the mess Bush made” you lose the battle.

Why are we accepting their premises still? Didn’t Breitbart teach us anything?

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM

You’re living in a dream world. You should cut Bush loose, he was truly the worst. He makes Carter look good.

Time to move on.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Any GOP voter who stayed home simply out of resentment that Romney is a rich guy or a businessman deserves to suffer another 4 years of Obama. The same as Paultard or a Gary Johnson pothead. There simply is NO EXCUSE for not voting if you oppose Obama. None. Shame on them.

cicerone on November 9, 2012 at 1:22 AM

There you go again winning friends. YOu Mittbots still fail to grasp that you do not build a coaliation by harping on people calling them names and driving their opinion underground. Mitt had every oppurtunity to heal the party to bring those that were leaning on staying home back to the table. He needed to do a couple things. Reach out to some of the leaders of the TEa party. Give people like Newt and Palin the respect they have earned give them and their supporters skin in the game. Lighten up on the Northeast GOP side some instead of going 100% moderate 100% of the time. Instead Mitt and his team froze out the leaders of the tea party, his Mittbots like you made it your personal mission to drown out our voices when we tried to warn you what was going on. But you and others like you figured those people could be ignored because of their dislike for Obama. Mitt and his team figured they had those votes in the bag and didn’t need to work for them. It was a miscalculation of epic miscalculations. We the people that had grave misgivings about Mitt tried to warn you. We were called names. Hell many of us got so tired of the Mittbots and their name calling we simple removed ourselves from the discussion you took that as a sign that you won. But most of those people decided if their voices couldn’t be heard neither would their votes. I myself waited until 10:30am on election day to make up my mind to vote. In the end I pulled the lever for Mitt I wasn’t happy about it. I stood at the ballot booth for a good 5 minutes looking at that oval before I darkened the circle for Mitt. And if I am any indication, a person who has voted in every election since I was 18 both general and primary elections, it is very easy to understand why Mitt lost. He did not work for the votes he needed to get and concentrated on the wrong groups. It is the base that wins you elections. Not the moderates not the independents. they will flow with the momentuem of the race. the momentuem is formed by the base. It is why Mitt never caught on and only started to pick up some MO towrds the end of the race. Mitt lost because he forgot who elects GOP presidents. The base of the party.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 8:40 AM

Let me start by saying… I am not into conspiracy theories. However, this just doesn’t feel right. How do we know our votes were counted? How do I know what I entered into the voting computer actually was counted? No ballots to hide or burn. Maybe just every 10th vote was eliminated by a “glitch”. How would we know?

AprilCW1 on November 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM

We’re never going to win an election again until we can dispel the myth that President Obama is a better President than Bush was. Or that Iraq was “unneccessary” and based on a “lie”. Everytime you allow the Democrats to get away with saying they inherited “the mess Bush made” you lose the battle.

Why are we accepting their premises still? Didn’t Breitbart teach us anything?

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 8:27 AM

Bush ran as a conservative and governened as a Liberal. By doing so he tarnished what conservatism means. Him and his father took the Reagan revol!ion and ran a stake through its heart while saying how much they loed the man. Bush allowed a socialist like Obama to have an easy victory and gave the entire federal government over to them with his abandonment of the free market. He needs to stay away and the next GOP nominee needs to ran away form Bushism t owards reaganism with all speed and haste they have.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Blacks have voted 90%+ for white Democrats since the late 60s. The Obama vote is hardly indicative of some racially-motivate shift.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Come on, don’t play stupid. We both know that blacks have been vested very heavily and emotionally in Obama purely on his black half. To the point that any critique of him, however mild, shuts down any reasoning ability with them.

And also, you’re looking at it wrong. Obama has had record amounts of blacks not only register to vote (across all spectrums) but to actually turn out to vote en masse unlike with any other Dem candidate in history.

Got it now?

RepubChica on November 9, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Or two: The public will decide that the current recession is so uniquely horrible, unlike anything since the Great Depression, that it’s unfair to expect any president to make major strides in just one term,

Heh. FDR all over again. He didn’t create the Depression. He only made it much worse, sooo much worse than it needed to be.
AND he put policies in place that put America on a road that led us to he!! much faster than another would have done.
And the people loved him for it.
Obama=FDR.

Badger40 on November 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Let me start by saying… I am not into conspiracy theories. However, this just doesn’t feel right. How do we know our votes were counted? How do I know what I entered into the voting computer actually was counted? No ballots to hide or burn. Maybe just every 10th vote was eliminated by a “glitch”. How would we know?

AprilCW1 on November 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM

We don’t and Soros words back in late 2010 keep popping in my mind. When theTea party wave was riding high Soros said something like “there was nothing he could do about this election now” I always took that to mean that there was so many votes against Obama that the socialist could fiddle with ther election like he could in MN senate race or other close elections. I think the GOP has to understand any close electiosn we will lose and they need to get at least a 5% lead to secure the win. I think there was a lot of playing wiht the votes in places like PA oh and fl. Even NC I think saw its share. It will be worse in 2016. Socialists hate the ballot box they can’t stuff.

unseen on November 9, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Recipe for GOP to start winning again;

No more Bushes; Jeb, George Jr. etc., karl rove, ed gillespie, GOP pol based in washington, listening to Ann coulter, charles krauthammer, peggy noonan, DICK morris, newt gingrich, paul Ryan (he’s boring), marco rubio (he’s for amesty) etc.

How to win;

Utilize the talents of a new breed, Gov. Palin, Bobby Jindel, Ted Cruz (Tx. new senator), Deb Fischer (new Nb senator), Suzanna Martinez

I consider the african american voting block gone. I would attempt to gain Hispanic non cuban votes by using the Tx model. Get them more involved in running for office in Nevada, Colorado, Ca., NY… This voting block is socially conservative.

Now please you fu*king morons in the RNC & establishment stop blackballing PALIN.

Danielvito on November 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Jindel and Palin are poison nationally. I don’t see Palin’s favorability rising up anytime in the next 8 years. I like Newt Gingrich still and I still adore Paul Ryan.

As for the rest, don’t know ‘em. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. It can’t be a bad idea to get new blood into the spotlight…the problem is the spotlight is controlled by the Democratic Party Propaganda wing.

The problem as I see it is an uninformed population. We have young voters right now who believe, seriously, that Bush stole the election in 2000, lied about a nuclear weapons in Iraq just so he could get more oil, and that the Republicans ONLY care about Rich White Men and hate every single other American and want them to suffer. That’s the problem.

Until you can address that to the multitudes of Hispanic, Black and Youth voters it won’t matter if you increase the size of your tent or move hard to the right.

I say this as a pro-gay everything, pro-choice, pro-drug, Atheist member of the Military who would have voted for anyone in the Republican primary over President Obama whom I see as a horrible leader and someone who doesn’t have a clue when it comes to basic economics. I voted FOR Romney and not just against President Obama. Whatever you guys choose, as long as you’re right on economics and don’t try to make Creationism/Intelligent design a major issue is cool with me, just be smart about it.

DeathtotheSwiss on November 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You’re living in a dream world. You should cut Bush loose, he was truly the worst. He makes Carter look good.

Time to move on.

urban elitist on November 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM

Uh Huh …
And without Leftist “urbanites”, both White and black, this country would be much better.
Say … YA,
Let’s “reform” the Electoral College: Assign Electoral votes by COUNTIES.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 9, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I think the main reason Romney lost is that he (and the GOP) lost the women’s vote, especially single women, because of its anti-abortion stance which scares them. There are other important reasons – most young of this country are not very bright (like me in my youth), the minority block voting – but the GOP has to give in more about abortion. It’s shooting itself in the foot with this.

This Laura Ingraham interview spells it out: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1957474547001/

Chessplayer on November 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Chessplayer on November 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Funny, it looks like Romney closed the gender gap… How exactly does one do that while losing their vote?

astonerii on November 9, 2012 at 10:48 AM

The GOPe knows that the rubes sooner or later are coming with the torches and pitchforks. Their days are numbered.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM

And the Republican Elite KNOW this. Why do you think they changed the nomination rules by “voice vote” at the convention (when nobody was listening) so they can FORCE delegates won by other candidates to SUPPORT the Party’s Official Nominee or not be seated at the convention?

In short, the people with pitchforks WILL NEVER get anybody as their Republican nominee WITHOUT official approval of the party hacks at RNC Headquarters.

Mahdi on November 9, 2012 at 10:52 AM

These commie Democrats made their race based, nasty, wasteful, selfserving, dole covered bed, now let them sleep in it.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM

On RNC Headquarters:

Do as we in Texas did.

Ted Cruz when he announced had 2% name reconition.

He had no money, he had the Texas diverse Tea Party base.

He made every town hall, every meeting he could make.

His dad and their wifes went with them.

The Texas elite just knew that they could ram the RINO David Dewherst on us.

When the race got to going Ted’s way they back shot him every way they could.

Still Ted’s vote share grew.

State Convention came, Ted spoke first, the whold place went wild, thousands of signs waving, 10 standing ovations.

Dewherst, 15 to 20 signs total. Polite applause, that was it.

All it takes is someone with some smarts, the will to fight the hard way and stay in it, and done.

The people are ready for leaders, and they are done with fakes and RINO’s.

Like that, for 20 years job done.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 9, 2012 at 11:18 AM

The one thing conspicuously absent, from this campaign, was Sarah Palin. My guess is she was asked to stay in Alaska. She didn’t speak at the convention, and she was absent from the campaign trail. So, Republicans, how did that change work out for you?

bflat879 on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM

The one thing conspicuously absent, from this campaign, was Sarah Palin. My guess is she was asked to stay in Alaska. She didn’t speak at the convention, and she was absent from the campaign trail. So, Republicans, how did that change work out for you?

bflat879 on November 9, 2012 at 12:03 PM

RINOs are ecstatic, already attacking Palin in force.

riddick on November 9, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Someone please explain to me what happened to the 2-3 million McCain voters that stayed home this Tuesday.

This is just unimaginable.

sartana on November 9, 2012 at 1:46 AM

How do you know they did?

Quit repeating media coverup BS for Hussein. Both early voting and election day were reporting MUCH HIGHER numbers than in years past. Once votes were deleted, and take a wild guess for which party, media went full on with the new mantra: GOP stayed hope.

And idiot after idiot out there, mostly RINOs who did not pay attention the past 2 weeks, feel in the trap set up by Hussein and media. How handy?

And GOP RINOs bought this hook, line and sinker. Brilliant House “mathematician” among them.

riddick on November 9, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Again, no mention of Ron Paul. How many “Republican” voters did he convince to stay home? Some revolution that was.
Look, we’re a Third World Bannana Republic now. We’re ruled by a cabal of organized crime figures from Chicago, our State Media is corrupt, along with our education system, and our elections are a joke.
Obama’s campaign did nothing, but attack a good man’s character, race-bait and divide the country. Almost everything it did was based on lies…easily provable lies, yet the failed incumbent won. The lies worked. The moral? Lie, cheat and steal…it’s the American way.
If you look at almost every major urban area in this country, you can see what’s in store under Democrat rule. We will be broken up, our parts sold to various connected interests, while politicians profit on both sides of the table. The continuous flow of money will ensure their continuity of power.
There are very few answers to this new normal of Lowest Common Denominator politics. One is to give up and take what we’re given. One is to fall on our knees and pray for deliverance. One is to fight in a literal way. One is to take the fight to the culture. It’s hard, and will take enormous amounts of time and money. The question: Is it worth it? I think it is. My concern is that four years hence, it may no longer be.

Kenz on November 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM

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