Projection: Nearly eight million white voters who were expected to vote, didn’t; Update: Or did they?

posted at 6:59 pm on November 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

Essential reading from Sean Trende about the new demographic reality at the polls. Based on his back-of-the-envelope math, there are actually two reasons why there were more minority voters as a share of the electorate this time. One, the reason everyone knows: There were more minority voters, period. Two, the reason no one guessed: If current projections hold, there were many, many fewer white voters at the polls this year than in 2008.

Had the same number of white voters cast ballots in 2012 as did in 2008, the 2012 electorate would have been about 74 percent white, 12 percent black, and 9 percent Latino (the same result occurs if you build in expectations for population growth among all these groups). In other words, the reason this electorate looked so different from the 2008 electorate is almost entirely attributable to white voters staying home. The other groups increased their vote, but by less than we would have expected simply from population growth.

Who were they? He looked at his home state of Ohio to try to guess:

Where things drop off are in the rural portions of Ohio, especially in the southeast. These represent areas still hard-hit by the recession. Unemployment is high there, and the area has seen almost no growth in recent years.

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney’s wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger’s failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters’ fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the “47 percent” gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

Yeah, I always thought the goal of Team O’s multifaceted class demagoguery of Romney wasn’t so much to win white working-class votes for Obama, which may have been unwinnable, as to keep potential Romney voters home. (Ross Douthat wrote about that in August too.) If Trende’s math is right, looks like it worked like gangbusters. Another bonbon from the national exit poll:

When voters were asked the same question about Obama, 10% said he’d favor the rich versus 44% who said the middle class. That was one of Romney’s meta-problems in trying to sell himself as the “recovery” candidate, of course. He was easily cast as a stereotypical rich country club Republican, and inexplicably he never did obvious things that he could have done to fight that image. He didn’t run positive ads early, while Obama was busy tearing him down every day with attack ads. He refused to run biographical ads until the very end showing off what a warm, kindhearted guy he is. He never went after Obama systematically on the basic point that preserving the liberal dream of a ballooning welfare state will require taxes on the middle class, not just “the one percent.” And he never pushed an agenda that was aimed overtly at breaks for the middle class. His task this year was to usher in a “new” Republican Party, partly in the spirit of the 2010 tea party takeover and partly in the spirit of flushing out all the stuff under Bush that soured the country on the GOP. But apart from choosing Paul Ryan, who didn’t get nearly as much time as I thought he would to push fiscal reform, there wasn’t a lot that felt new. Essentially, voters could keep O or give the guy who sounded like the guy whom O replaced a shot. Not surprising that a lot of people shrugged and stayed home.

This didn’t help Romney either:

The economic numbers are ugly but the trends were all the right way for O, and his final job approval ended up being several points higher than Bush’s was when he won reelection in 2004. How can that be? Well, here’s something I wrote in June of last year that I’ve been thinking about since Tuesday. There was an AP poll at the time that asked voters whether it was realistic to expect significant improvement in the economy in Obama’s first two years in office or whether it would take longer than that. To my surprise, the data showed that not only did the public not expect quick improvement, the number who said they didn’t remained basically constant month after month after month. Even though we were getting further and further into O’s term, the public wasn’t getting impatient. Here was my attempt to explain why at the time:

I think it could go two ways if he doesn’t turn things around by next year. One: The public will continue to cut him lots of slack well into 2012, but as the election approaches and they realize that this will be their last chance until 2016 to change course, they’ll bail and we’ll see a rapid snowball effect among those blaming him for not fixing the economy. Or two: The public will decide that the current recession is so uniquely horrible, unlike anything since the Great Depression, that it’s unfair to expect any president to make major strides in just one term, which will have the ironic effect of partly neutralizing the economy as an electoral issue. That’s completely counterintuitive given its singular importance right now (fully 93 percent in this poll say the economy is extremely or very important to them, an all-time high), but paradoxically the worse things get, the easier it is for Obama to frame slow growth and chronically high unemployment as some sort of mega-quake or force majeure for which no one could reasonably be expected to have been prepared.

Boldface added. How’s that prediction looking today? Here’s Joel Benenson, the Obama campaign’s pollster, explaining the keys to victory in the Times this morning:

Such conventional [economic] indicators failed to capture the mind-set of the American people who always had a broader view of the nation’s economic situation and what had happened to their lives. A national survey of 800 voters conducted by our firm — not for the Obama campaign — during the final weekend before Tuesday’s vote, confirmed that a clear majority of Americans viewed this election in the context of the scale of the economic crisis we faced and the deep recession that ensued.

Two key data points illustrate why Americans were always far more open to President Obama’s message and accomplishments than commentators assumed. By a three to one margin (74 percent to 23 percent), voters said that what the country faced since 2008 was an “extraordinary crisis more severe than we’ve seen in decades” as opposed to “a typical recession that the country has every several years.” At the same time, a clear majority, 57 percent, believed that the problems we faced after the crisis were “too severe for anyone to fix in a single term,” while only 4 in 10 voters believed another president would have been able to do more than Mr. Obama to get the economy moving in the past four years.

Bill Clinton famously pushed that message at the convention too, that this economic hurricane was actually Katrina/Sandy and therefore no one could reasonably be expected to have cleaned up all the debris yet. The voters bought it, and Romney’s only real countermove — hammering O on how housing policies championed by Democrats contributed to the fiscal crisis in 2008 — never really happened.

Anyway, this is all a way to try to explain why middle-class whites might have stayed home. As further validation of Trende’s theory, a quick comparison between the 2012 and 2008 exit polls shows that, among the six income classes used to measure voters, turnout as a percentage of the total electorate increased in five of them. The only one that dropped, by a whopping five percent (36% four years ago to 31% now): Voters who earn between $50,000 and $99,999 per year, i.e. the middle class. Obama and McCain basically split that vote, but Romney had a six-point advantage this time among those who showed up. Not enough did.

Needless to say, though, none of this should be taken as reassurance that the GOP’s majority is still out there and that they only need to concentrate on turning out working-class whites next time. If you assume that the exit poll’s 59/39 R/O split among whites who voted would have also held for whites who didn’t, then Romney lost a net 1.3 million votes from those who stayed home based on Trende’s projections. That’s an awful lot, but based on the current popular vote totals, it’s still not enough to erase Obama’s popular vote advantage. In fact, the GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election just once since 1988, and arguably that one — Bush’s victory in 2004 — was sui generis, a product of unusual dynamics after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. You know how Democrats regularly outnumber Republicans in polls of adults and registered voters? Well, the lesson of this election is that Obama’s organization was good enough at turning people out to make election day results look like a poll of registered voters. That’s a scary prospect for the GOP, and turning out more rural whites in Ohio won’t be enough to solve it.

Update: Pollster Bill McInturff fires back hard at Trende’s theory by insisting that, while turnout may be down a little this year, the “missing” voters can be explained very simply: They just haven’t been counted yet. In 2008, fully 9.5 million votes weren’t counted until after election day. This year, it could be as high as 9.9 million based on projection. In fact, he says, turnout in swing states was up. It’s the Sandy states, not surprisingly, where the vote went down:

Two things, though. One: Trende’s piece attempted to account for ballots that hadn’t been counted yet. He estimated that seven million were still outstanding. Even if he lowballed the number, there are still a lot of “missing” voters. Two: The exit poll data about reduced turnout among middle-class voters is what it is, no matter how many ballots are still out. I’m not sure why Sandy would have affected the middle class disproportionately, which means something else was keeping people in that bracket from the polls.

Update: Trende e-mails with a third objection to McInturff. Turnout in Ohio, the swingiest state of all, evidently was not up this year:

Ohio vote is in, less provisional ballots. That’s why I used Ohio for my article. Absentees here were counted first this year.

200K provisional ballots were cast in 2008. If as many were cast this year, it would yield about 3.35M votes in OH (since about a fifth to a quarter are typically tossed).

In 2008, 3.62M were cast. So contra McInturff’s post, turnout was down in at least one swing state not on the Atlantic coast, and by about 8% at that. Of course, Ohio’s population has also grown since 2008, if only slightly.


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Oh and I’m not a Barack Obama supporter but I always found it insulting when people try to call him a affirmative action politician too. I think Obama has gotten where he’s at on his merits.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Sigh, it’s dispiriting when even righties fall victim to the PC claptrap. The dude can’t think without his telemprompter. Everything he’s ever got, including the presidency was due to white guilt/playing the race card. What else would you call it other than an affirmative action presidency?

sauldalinsky on November 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

My bet and new slogan CC2016 (Clinton/Christie 2016). Now, to find a stage that can hold both of them at the same time.

tonotisto on November 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Why should we believe that people who can’t even win a primary would suddenly win national elections?

So why did retread loser Mitt, who couldn’t beat friggin’ McCAIN in 2008, suddenly become Mr Ultra-Electable Juggernaut OH YEAH BABY!!!!! ???

Not to mention, Bush 1 won in 1988, got screwed by Perot in 1992, and then Dubya won in 2000 (with a narrow loss in the popular vote) and 2004. So post-Reagan, that’s 3 victories for “squishes,” whereas no TRUCON has even been able to win the primary.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Bush 1 won on Reagan’s coattails; then cut his own throat with his squishy capitualtion to the Dems in the 1990 budget deal. Giving us two terms of Clinton which has contaminated the culture ever since.

Bush 2 ran as a conservative, and had governed as a conservative prior. Not true of Romney. No squish has won in the “modern era”.

By the way, no “TRUECON” has won the primary because too many GOP sheeple swallow that “the squish is more electable and will attract indies and everything will be Skittles-shitting unicorns!!!” for too long. That’s about to change.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I know your back story JPeterman, you never miss an opportunity to tell us about it. It would be admirable if you were not a social security loving sponge. You kept arguing that you are OWED social security payments. You argued with me on this subject quite a bit. You are wedded to the entitlement state. You are owed money from other people you have never provided anything for in any way whatsoever. That is your philosophy. Whether you took anything up to this point in time or not, your soul says you are owed. Mine says, if I have any other way, I will refuse to.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 9:41 PM

This coming from the split personality individual who a few minutes ago was threatening that he’d go all VA disability and flee to Ghana or Zimbabwe :). and btw just because some VA staff told you that you could get it, does ‘t mean the doctor board will approve it, just so you know. And a last point, you are as much a taker as anybody else, where does your military retirement check comes from, heh,right, the federal govt. or now you are going to say that you declined to take it, oh, noble one! :) so much about how your ‘soul’ refuses to take :) all grand standing, all talk…

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Many of you are acting like a bunch of sharks:

Ryan the devil because he won’t balance the budget next year.
Well I have reality for you. If you were born in 1947 you are turning 65 this year.
Which means the start of the baby boomers earning Social Security.
How in gods green apples do we expect to have a balanced budget when we have all this unfunded liabilty. But hey it more fun to demogaue on Paul Ryan.
Rommney lost you can debate or blame all you want or work and fight to see if we have anything left in this country.
I will be in the latter, thank you.

Gracelynn on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

So why did retread loser Mitt, who couldn’t beat friggin’ McCAIN in 2008, suddenly become Mr Ultra-Electable Juggernaut OH YEAH BABY!!!!! ???

You’re not actually arguing anything. Romney already lost. The question is “Could anyone else have done better?” and “Where do we go from here?”

If the answer to Question 2 is “Nominate a Trucon Hero,” then we’re screwed.

By the way, no “TRUECON” has won the primary because too many GOP sheeple swallow that “the squish is more electable and will attract indies and everything will be Skittles-shitting unicorns!!!” for too long. That’s about to change.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Or maybe they lost because they were weak candidates? All of the Trucon alternatives to Romney in this cycle were garbage. ABR’s were so desperate they clung to Newt Gingrich, Mr. Career Politician, as the standard-bearer of the Tea Party and true conservatism. And the savioress, the only woman who could rescue America, the beneficent St. Palin, didn’t even bother running.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Who is “you”? There are many of us here who wanted someone, anyone else. It didn’t happen. So, in the attempt to be rational, practical adults we tried to do the best thing possible – live to fight another day.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

“You” is the guy I was addressing. It didn’t happen, and I told you for months exactly WHY it wouldn’t happen, but I was a “troll”. An “O-bot”. Now, we’re told by so many that Romney was such a hunky-dory candidate and it’s just because of the stupidity of the voters, while many of the same people here ALWAYS had to preface a statement with “Romney’s not my first or second or even fourth choice, but…”

Now how did such an electoral loser get palmed off as a juggernaut?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Or maybe they lost because they were weak candidates?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

WEAK??? Man you can’t GET any weaker than having a billion dollars to burn and STILL not being able to beat some dumbass moonbat joke of a president who’s presiding over unemployment in the teens and nearly $4 a gallon gas in most places. And THAT’S who we were told was strong, baby.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Now I don’t care if you feel guilty for staying home or whatever reason you feel the need to defend yoursel

Feel guilty? I’m ELATED I didn’t vote. For once in the last 28 years, I told the GOP establishment, “Taking my vote for granted doesn’t work anymore. Quit ‘tacking to the middle’ and support what you won the nomination with.”

I am PROUD to have told both parties to shove it. You are frothing at the mouth over Obama’s victory. I just saw this as another chance to be frothing at the mouth over the GOP Congress and executive spending like drunken sailors. Or have you already forgotten Dubya, round one?

You’re the problem. No matter whom they select, as long as there’s an (R) after the name, you’ll pull the lever. You just happen to prefer the red koolaid to the blue koolaid.

But it’s still Koolaid.

Wino on November 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Or maybe they lost because they were weak candidates? All of the Trucon alternatives to Romney in this cycle were garbage. ABR’s were so desperate they clung to Newt Gingrich, Mr. Career Politician, as the standard-bearer of the Tea Party and true conservatism. And the savioress, the only woman who could rescue America, the beneficent St. Palin, didn’t even bother running.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

She wouldn’t have won. Until we neuter the media and have our own platform (not FOX sorry) we won’t win.

She knew this.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Made you mad that I called you out on your idiotic BS huh? Most of that garbage you typed wasn’t coherent.

Piss up a rope reprobate.

tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Let me know when you all start a real conversation. Time to bring back the Tea Party and get ready for 2014. Time to start speaking the truth and matching smash mouth politics with smash mouth politics. Gotta call out the Lame Street Media every chance you get, they will one day be held accountable for their actions. Both here and in the after life.

New Patriot on November 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Oh and I’m not a Barack Obama supporter but I always found it insulting when people try to call him a affirmative action politician too. I think Obama has gotten where he’s at on his merits.

terryannonline on November 8, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Come on, get serious. Without AA he is a furniture salesman in his grandfather’s furniture store. In one of his few writings he acknowledged that he was probably a beneficiary of AA.

Without it he’s nothing.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM

She wouldn’t have won. Until we neuter the media and have our own platform (not FOX sorry) we won’t win.

She knew this.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Palin? I don’t know if she would’ve won or not, or Perry, or Gingrich. I think we would’ve had a better chance with ANY of the above, though. I think the reason Palin didn’t is because she knew the “Death Star” that so many ‘bots were in awe of would just be dragging her and her family through the mud, and she just took a pass.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I meant to add this to my comment. The good news is the GOP has a deep bench of outstanding politicians, and the ground game to run them. Milt Romney was the last of his generation. The Dem’s? Zero across the board. To win now, they ate their future. They have not one young politician ready for the national stage. Not at the local, not at the regional or state level. Killing Davis’s and Bookers chances to protect Obama, did serious damage to building up the ground the Dem’s will need for the next twenty years. Lets not forget that the GOP accepted groups like the Tea Party, the Dem’s used, then killed any group that questioned their”deep thoughts”. Over all, the tide is with those who treasure freedom, as long as your willing to fight for it.

flackcatcher on November 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I meant to add this to my comment. The good news is the GOP has a deep bench of outstanding politicians, and the ground game to run them.

shoveling teh dung already? go jump off a bridge.

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM

All of the Trucon alternatives to Romney in this cycle were garbage. ABR’s were so desperate they clung to Newt Gingrich, Mr. Career Politician, as the standard-bearer of the Tea Party and true conservatism. And the savioress, the only woman who could rescue America, the beneficent St. Palin, didn’t even bother running.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Just to inform you,

Lost: Scott Brown – Liberal

Lost: Tommy Thompson – moderate

Lost: Linda McMahon – Liberal

Lost: Rick Berg – Moderate

Seems like we lost more moderate and liberal senate seats then tea party.

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

If the votes of 3M 2008 McCain voters and xM 2008 Obama voters were deleted after they were cast, by omitting certain precincts or applying a multiplier in software, how would we ever know? It would require a full hand recount, which is just ludicrous, right? Right?

I just can’t fathom after 2010 and 2 more years of leftist policies that so many people would stay home. It. Just. Doesn’t. Add. Up.

Whatever. We need people who can understand history and economics to vote. No democracy can survive the uneducated masses we have now. No True the Vote or anything is good enough. We need to fundamentally reconsider who is allowed to vote. I fully respect my friend who is a card carrying socialist because he places fairness above all else and fully recognizes the ramifications of his policies. I can deal with that infinitely more than the Obamaphone and Obamastash protozoans.

321mdl on November 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

we could clone Reagan and lose an election.

maninthemiddle on November 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You could clone Reagan and half of the worthless GOP would be sitting back b1tching and moaning about what a polarizing, idiotic, Neanderthalish, far-right unelectable loon he is and how we should really run that much groovier newly-cloned Gerald Ford since he can pick up more indies.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

LOL, and the other half of the GOP would be bitching that Reagan was a tax raising, amnesty granting, divorced former Democrat RINO squish who palled around with Tip O’Neill, refused to to do anything about abortion and failed to bomb Lebanon back into the stone age.

I think maninthemiddle had it right the first time.

cool breeze on November 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Who is “you”? There are many of us here who wanted someone, anyone else. It didn’t happen. So, in the attempt to be rational, practical adults we tried to do the best thing possible – live to fight another day.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

“You” is the guy I was addressing. It didn’t happen, and I told you for months exactly WHY it wouldn’t happen, but I was a “troll”. An “O-bot”. Now, we’re told by so many that Romney was such a hunky-dory candidate and it’s just because of the stupidity of the voters, while many of the same people here ALWAYS had to preface a statement with “Romney’s not my first or second or even fourth choice, but…”

Now how did such an electoral loser get palmed off as a juggernaut?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:02 PM

It wasn’t because of what you were saying, you were called that because you weren’t willing to try to work towards something better, like taking the four years to clean up the GOP or start a viable third party. I wouldn’t use the words “troll or O-bot”, but “short sighted idiot”.

Now it’s going to be all that much harder and a lot of good people are going to suffer where they might not have suffered. So very wasteful and really unnecessary.

Who palmed him off as a juggernaut? The three or four Mittbots don’t count. The other 98% of us were disinterested.

I can only speak for myself, but I didn’t think this was all that wonderful. As usual you and a few others come here to vent and offer nothing useful or practical. I told you so is great, but that and $4 will get me a coffee. Be useful. Be helpful.

But you can’t, can you?

I asked you before: What is your solution and how do we fix this? Specifics, please, since we are idiots and can’t do this right.

I won’t thank you in advance. Use the other one where you didn’t earn it.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

This coming from the split personality individual who a few minutes ago was threatening that he’d go all VA disability and flee to Ghana or Zimbabwe :). and btw just because some VA staff told you that you could get it, does ‘t mean the doctor board will approve it, just so you know. And a last point, you are as much a taker as anybody else, where does your military retirement check comes from, heh,right, the federal govt. or now you are going to say that you declined to take it, oh, noble one! :) so much about how your ‘soul’ refuses to take :) all grand standing, all talk…

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I provided a service for payment. I went to war. I had scud missiles aimed at my camp and being blown out of the sky with who knows what chemicals were in them. I spent many days in MOP gear sweating like a pig waiting for the war to start while the enemy fired missiles at us day after day after day. I went above and beyond my job to make sure the vehicles that others were going to the front lines in were going to function and get them back to base and when a vehicle did fail, I went to the front lines to get pot shot at while I made it work. I was shot at by in country radicals and had to drive one of my team to the doctor for shrapnel (minor) wounds from that gun fire. I had in country radicals ram my vehicle in an attempt to kill Americans. I placed my life on the line at the behest of my country and for the love of my country. In the course of my service, I contracted Malaria that the doctors failed to identify for months while my health deteriorated and only after being measured at 107.5 degree temperature with two IVs running full speed into my veins and in an open air vehicle going 40 mph down the road with temperatures outside around 60 degrees did they decide to treat me for malaria. My brain is damaged and I get severe headaches they call migraines more than 20 times every year. The migraines have destroyed my potential immensely. That is what I did to EARN what I get. What did you do with your life?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

So. All you people unhappy what is YOUR solution? What would YOU suggest? And please don’t bother with the vague “we need someone conservative” and that’s it. We know that. *****HOW***** does this happen and with some detail, please.

Try to find a clean, respected, conservative and yet not to the point of bible thumping, charismatic, easy to connect with candidate, and hope he doesn’t get a brain fart during a debate and forget the three govt agencies he wants to eliminate.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

CC2016.org (Clinton/Christie 2016)

CC2016.com was already taken by…Conservation Corps 2016

To BIG to fail./

tonotisto on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

All of the Trucon alternatives to Romney in this cycle were garbage. ABR’s were so desperate they clung to Newt Gingrich, Mr. Career Politician, as the standard-bearer of the Tea Party and true conservatism.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

By the way NONE of the ABRs felt that way. They just knew that Gingrich or just about anyone else other than Huntsman fit that description more closely than Romney EVER did. Thus the term “ABR”.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

*Ryan voted for TARP and the auto bailouts and Romney supported both as well.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Romney supported the auto bailout???? Seriously, on what planet??? Wasn’t he villified by the left for the piece that he penned for WSJ in which he was arguing for an orderly chapter 11 bankruptcy for GM??

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Sharukkin,

Romney supported a bankruptcy. The real kind where bond and stock holders get paid in the end and the company is broken into pieces to see who buys what. What Hussein did was taking from bond holders and transferring assets to UNIONS, mostly, and then to government, second biggest chunk. Preserving not unions per se, but their benefits as well. Real bankruptcy would simply eliminate the unions and benefits owed to them.

What Hussein did is called REDISTRIBUTION, not bankruptcy.

You know that I am the last guy to defend Romney and his past record, but let’s stick to the facts. Romney, liberal lite that he is, would not redistribute to unions, he would sell the company off in chunks through bankruptcy, Chapter 11.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Palin? I don’t know if she would’ve won or not, or Perry, or Gingrich. I think we would’ve had a better chance with ANY of the above, though. I think the reason Palin didn’t is because she knew the “Death Star” that so many ‘bots were in awe of would just be dragging her and her family through the mud, and she just took a pass.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM

We abandoned her and left her to die by the media’s hand. Why would she take another run at it since we didn’t learn the first time and let them continue?

We weren’t willing to fight for her. So she moved on. Can’t blame her one bit.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Made you mad that I called you out on your idiotic BS huh? Most of that garbage you typed wasn’t coherent.
Piss up a rope reprobate.
tom daschle concerned on November 8, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Called me out? You think so? You just called “lie”, and started hurling insults, providing no alternative theory, examples, or argument to back up your assertion.

That’s not really “calling out”. It’s having nothing to back up what you want to be the truth, and just telling yourself, oh that persons lying, it’s all a big conspiracy to victimize me, the good conservative, so go piss up a rope you reprobate.

If the “Dixiecrat lie” is just a fiction. Then what happened? Explain to us how it came to be that the democratic party that did all those terrible things was THE southern party that fought against the moves of the Republicans during the civil war, for slavery, and against civil rights, and then suddenly vanished up into the north and the good conservative republican northerners relocated to the south in the middle of the last century?

Won’t you explain it then? I mean, I’m “calling you out”. Expose the “Dixiecrat lie” here for us all tonight. I bet you can’t.

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

WEAK??? Man you can’t GET any weaker than having a billion dollars to burn and STILL not being able to beat some dumbass moonbat joke of a president who’s presiding over unemployment in the teens and nearly $4 a gallon gas in most places. And THAT’S who we were told was strong, baby.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Again, you’re arguing a point that’s impossible to prove.

The Tigers got swept in the World Series, so they were weak. A little league team from Lima, Ohio would have had a much better chance of beating the Giants. How do I know this? Because the Tigers lost! Therefore, any other team on the planet had a better chance of winning, because the Tigers were losers.

Teleology is teleological. Circular argument is circular.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Seems like we lost more moderate and liberal senate seats then tea party.

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Clearly a win for cherry picking, however. How’d Allen West do, again? How about Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock?

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:17 PM

So. All you people unhappy what is YOUR solution? What would YOU suggest? And please don’t bother with the vague “we need someone conservative” and that’s it. We know that. *****HOW***** does this happen and with some detail, please.

Try to find a clean, respected, conservative and yet not to the point of bible thumping, charismatic, easy to connect with candidate, and hope he doesn’t get a brain fart during a debate and forget the three govt agencies he wants to eliminate.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

That sounds like Palin before they eviscerated her. You think Mr. Clean would fare better? You better hope Mr. Clean didn’t break up ugly with some financially destitute woman who just has Allred’s number. Better hope Mr. Clean doesn’t have some debatable past legislative choices.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:18 PM

It wasn’t because of what you were saying, you were called that because you weren’t willing to try to work towards something better, like taking the four years to clean up the GOP or start a viable third party. I wouldn’t use the words “troll or O-bot”, but “short sighted idiot”.

Why didn’t you use the LAST four years to “clean up the GOP”? Instead, you and all the other go-along-get-alongers just listened to Gallup.

Who palmed him off as a juggernaut? The three or four Mittbots don’t count. The other 98% of us were disinterested.

You were “disinterested”, but yet you sit there and socld me because for years — f***ing YEARS — I told everyone who would listen that nominating Romney would be a disaster. And for the past year and a half if you DIDN’T confess with thy mouth and believe in thine heart that Mitt wasn’t going to win in a landslide, you’d best keep it quiet or you were persona non grata.

I asked you before: What is your solution and how do we fix this? Specifics, please, since we are idiots and can’t do this right.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Quit letting Gallup and the media (including such squish outfits such as NRO) choose our nominee. Or else separate yourself from the GOP entirely from henceforth, even forever. Clear and easy enough?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM

By the way NONE of the ABRs felt that way. They just knew that Gingrich or just about anyone else other than Huntsman fit that description more closely than Romney EVER did. Thus the term “ABR”.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Show me someone who claims Romney was a good candidate and I will show you a RINO. As discussed for months here on HA. Too bad they still insist they are “republicans” when, in fact, just as Romney was and is based on his own record and statements, they are nothing but liberal lite.

How any supposed adult can see Hussein campaign practically begging for Romney since the middle of last year to be Rs candidate and not see the set up there, is beyond comprehension. Hussein would have had pretty much nothing to deal against other candidates. Cain turned out weak, true and particularly noticeable in his foreign policy statements, but I honestly believe that Perry or Newt would do the job for us.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

All of the Trucon alternatives to Romney in this cycle were garbage. ABR’s were so desperate they clung to Newt Gingrich, Mr. Career Politician, as the standard-bearer of the Tea Party and true conservatism. And the savioress, the only woman who could rescue America, the beneficent St. Palin, didn’t even bother running.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Just to inform you,

Lost: Scott Brown – Liberal

Lost: Tommy Thompson – moderate

Lost: Linda McMahon – Liberal

Lost: Rick Berg – Moderate

Seems like we lost more moderate and liberal senate seats then tea party.

b1jetmech on November 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Lost: Akin – Hopeless idiot, but no liberal or moderate :)

Lost: Mia Love: exceptional tea party candiate

Probably lose: Allan West- Tea Party candidate

Lost: Richard Mourdock – tea party backed

So, yeah, your math skills leave a little to be desired :)

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Again, you’re arguing a point that’s impossible to prove.

The Tigers got swept in the World Series, so they were weak. A little league team from Lima, Ohio would have had a much better chance of beating the Giants. How do I know this? Because the Tigers lost! Therefore, any other team on the planet had a better chance of winning, because the Tigers were losers.

Teleology is teleological. Circular argument is circular.

Good Solid B-Plus on November 8, 2012 at 10:15 PM

It’s not circular. Romney’s so weak he couldn’t beat McCain, or even the Huckster, really…but yet four years later, BAZINGA!!! he’s the Unbeatable One.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

… or bottom line: 52% of the American voting population is a bunch of friggin’ entitlement seeking morons who have no idea that they are backing the descent of the US into a tyranny. If you stayed home, you are equally an moron. If you don’t see the threat Obama poses to our liberty and freedom, I have no sympathy for you when the chains descend upon you. I, on the other hand am going to be royally pissed and am likely to take a few swings at you with my own chains.

Darn fools.

AZfederalist on November 8, 2012 at 10:21 PM

So why did retread loser Mitt, who couldn’t beat friggin’ McCAIN in 2008, suddenly become Mr Ultra-Electable Juggernaut OH YEAH BABY!!!!! ???

ddrintn

Taking a break from spanking it to whatever cult figure you’re into these days, lol?

xblade on November 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

DID THIS DIRTY TRICK GET OBAMA ELECTED?
President didn’t win single state that required Voter ID
By Aaron Klein @ WND

Did the suppression or lack of voter ID laws aid President Obama’s victory over Mitt Romney?

Obama did not win a single state that requires photo IDs to vote, although he was victorious in four states that require non-photo identification – Washington, Colorado, Ohio and Virginia. Those states accept as legitimate identification current utility bills, bank statements and paychecks.

Obama won several closely contested states that do not require any voter identification, including Minnesota, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin and Nevada.

The states that Obama lost that do require photo identification do not traditionally vote Republican. Tennessee, for example, voted Democrat in the 1972, 1992 and 1996 presidential elections. Georgia, which also requires photo ID, voted Democrat in the 1976, 1980 and 1992 presidential elections.

In Colorado, where non-photo identification is accepted, a review by RedState.com showed irregular voting patterns, finding that 10 counties had a total registration ranging between 104 to 140 percent of the respective populations.

CONTINUED HERE: http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-this-dirty-trick-get-obama-elected

mrks on November 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

The numbers don’t equate = massive voter fraud

Amjean on November 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Lost: Akin – Hopeless idiot, but no liberal or moderate :)

Lost: Mia Love: exceptional tea party candiate

Probably lose: Allan West- Tea Party candidate

Lost: Richard Mourdock – tea party backed

So, yeah, your math skills leave a little to be desired :)

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Could be that Mitt had negative coattails.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Thanks. It’s the 800 pound gorilla in the room. No one wants to admit Repubs may have voted for Obama. Or that Repubs can be just like the Liberals when it comes to entitlements or even Social Security and Medicare. We scare them. I heard it over and over. It’s been too many years and I don’t think we can change it. They have to experience the end results.

Deanna on November 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I disagree. I don’t think all these Republicans voted for Obama because they didn’t want to lose entitlements. Republicans are not trying to take anything away – they just want to make the safety net a temporary “hand up” rather than a way of life.

Polling showed that seniors overwhelmingly voted Romney/Ryan, and that they feared Obamacare more than they feared the Republican plan to reform and save Medicare.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Taking a break from spanking it to whatever cult figure you’re into these days, lol?

xblade on November 8, 2012 at 10:22 PM

So who’re you going to pimp next, Ccoonnddoolleezzaa Rice, lol?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:25 PM

It wasn’t because of what you were saying, you were called that because you weren’t willing to try to work towards something better, like taking the four years to clean up the GOP or start a viable third party. I wouldn’t use the words “troll or O-bot”, but “short sighted idiot”.

Why didn’t you use the LAST four years to “clean up the GOP”? Instead, you and all the other go-along-get-alongers just listened to Gallup.

I, probably like a lot of people, were hoping and praying that Palin would take a run at it.

Who palmed him off as a juggernaut? The three or four Mittbots don’t count. The other 98% of us were disinterested.

You were “disinterested”, but yet you sit there and socld me because for years — f***ing YEARS — I told everyone who would listen that nominating Romney would be a disaster. And for the past year and a half if you DIDN’T confess with thy mouth and believe in thine heart that Mitt wasn’t going to win in a landslide, you’d best keep it quiet or you were persona non grata.

I was “disinterested” in what Romney had to offer. I didn’t want him. I lobbied AGAINST him. I never said Romney would win and had no illusions about what he is. I think you have the wrong person.

I only lobbied FOR him after the primary. He would have been better than Obama. I decided to be practical and responsible.

Why is this such an issue for you to comprehend – that sometimes people do what they have to to keep going?

I asked you before: What is your solution and how do we fix this? Specifics, please, since we are idiots and can’t do this right.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Quit letting Gallup and the media (including such squish outfits such as NRO) choose our nominee. Or else separate yourself from the GOP entirely from henceforth, even forever. Clear and easy enough?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM

And how do we do this? I asked for specifics. You’ve said nothing here that is useful or helpful or hasn’t been said dozens of times before.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Lost: Akin – Hopeless idiot, but no liberal or moderate :)

Lost: Mia Love: exceptional tea party candiate

Probably lose: Allan West- Tea Party candidate

Lost: Richard Mourdock – tea party backed

So, yeah, your math skills leave a little to be desired :)

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Could be that Mitt had negative coattails.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Loolol :) . Except for Romney won MO, UT, and IN, all states that the above candidates are from. Your inellectual dishonesty is too funny.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Romney supported a bankruptcy. The real kind where bond and stock holders get paid in the end and the company is broken into pieces to see who buys what.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Obama – Governor you did not say that you would provide government help,” Obama said. “You keep on trying to airbrush history. You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies even if they went through bankruptcy. You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn’t true.”

Romney interjected: “You’re wrong.”

How can this be interpreted as anything other than Romney saying he was for government cash going to the auto companies?

And this…

After the debate, Romney’s debate practice partner, U.S. Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, said Romney “ advocated government help for the auto companies to get them back on their feet” and denied that Romney opposed the bailout.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Let me know when you all start a real conversation. Time to bring back the Tea Party and get ready for 2014. Time to start speaking the truth and matching smash mouth politics with smash mouth politics. Gotta call out the Lame Street Media every chance you get, they will one day be held accountable for their actions. Both here and in the after life.

New Patriot on November 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Watching Hannety tonight made me almost reach into the frigging TV set and choke not only him, but his supposedly conservative guests. They still insist that Romney is a conservative and it is “these damned moderate Republicans who wanted a more moderate to run”. Are they insane? Romney is nothing if not left leaning moderate, a liberal lite if you will. Not one of them sees the truth that GOP is the issue and the candidates they force onto us. It wasn’t Romney who was the bad choice, it was the voters who are stupid.

I think Becks channel should become the outlet, he’s the only one left on TV speaking the truth, painful to hear at times, but in general making sense. And make sure that Mia Love, Allen West, Palin, Pence, Newt and deMint all have enough air time. All the people GOP hates so much.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

And how do we do this? I asked for specifics. You’ve said nothing here that is useful or helpful or hasn’t been said dozens of times before.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:26 PM

SO what do you need, instructions on how to burn your GOP handy-dandy membership card? If you can’t follow those things that have been said “dozens of times before”, what’s the point in giving anything specific? Look. This is what’s going to happen. The GOPe and it’s little corps of flunkies like xblade there will start pimping Rubio. Or Jeb. Or Rice. And so that you won’t be called some dirty ‘nista, you’ll fall right into line. Again.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Try to find a clean, respected, conservative and yet not to the point of bible thumping, charismatic, easy to connect with candidate, and hope he doesn’t get a brain fart during a debate and forget the three govt agencies he wants to eliminate.

tkyang99 on November 8, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Well…he’s got 4 years to practice debating…But we might secede by then and if we do Texans won’t care if he can debate…he can govern.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

renalin on November 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM
I just stated the truth as is. Sorry if it clashes with your beliefs. In our system, there is always another day to make your case before the voting public. So do so, keep trying, you never know what might happen.

flackcatcher on November 8, 2012 at 10:30 PM

apparently if I write a word that means Texas withdraws to stand alone…it won’t show up in the thread?

workingclass artist on November 8, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Loolol :) . Except for Romney won MO, UT, and IN, all states that the above candidates are from. Your inellectual dishonesty is too funny.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Well, maybe enough squishes showed up in those states to help out their ultra-electable SUperDude, while the pissed-on TPers stayed home. Who knows. Fact is, Mitt’s a political corpse now.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Romney interjected: “You’re wrong.”

How can this be interpreted as anything other than Romney saying he was for government cash going to the auto companies?

And this…

After the debate, Romney’s debate practice partner, U.S. Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, said Romney “ advocated government help for the auto companies to get them back on their feet” and denied that Romney opposed the bailout.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Oh, come on, not you of all people. How many times did Romney flip flop? Of course he was obligated to say that during debates to appeal to MI voters. But he is on record for Chapter 11, all the way.

I seriously dislike Romney, but I can’t agree he was for bailouts. He was not. He’s a businessman who knows the value of bankruptcy proceedings. He’s done many a time to buy a company and via Chapter 11 take their pension funds in cash and pocket it while leaving long time workers without pension. Done it a number of times, one of the reasons I never liked the guy. Capitalism is capitalism up to a point, I know I would never do such a thing, but then again, I am not Romney…

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Look at this peculiarity:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM

They still insist that Romney is a conservative and it is “these damned moderate Republicans who wanted a more moderate to run”. Are they insane?

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Self-preservation. The GOPe knows that the rubes sooner or later are coming with the torches and pitchforks. Their days are numbered.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Loolol :) . Except for Romney won MO, UT, and IN, all states that the above candidates are from. Your inellectual dishonesty is too funny.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

So what you are actually saying is that Romney voters are Racists in Utah… Good to know. The people you attract tell much about you.
Mr Electable!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM

And how do we do this? I asked for specifics. You’ve said nothing here that is useful or helpful or hasn’t been said dozens of times before.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:26 PM

SO what do you need, instructions on how to burn your GOP handy-dandy membership card? If you can’t follow those things that have been said “dozens of times before”, what’s the point in giving anything specific? Look. This is what’s going to happen. The GOPe and it’s little corps of flunkies like xblade there will start pimping Rubio. Or Jeb. Or Rice. And so that you won’t be called some dirty ‘nista, you’ll fall right into line. Again.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:29 PM

So in other words you have nothing to contribute. No ideas on how to find The Great Conservative Candidate. No ideas on how to get the conservative message out. No ideas on how to combat the LSM and their lies and poison. No ideas on how to bring more people in or do grow conservatism.

No. You just deal in vague generalities and scoff and wish for the worst because then it would give you something to talk about.

Your existence really is pointless, isn’t it? We’ll be here if you change your mind and want to do something rather than heckle.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

How any supposed adult can see Hussein campaign practically begging for Romney since the middle of last year to be Rs candidate and not see the set up there, is beyond comprehension. Hussein would have had pretty much nothing to deal against other candidates. Cain turned out weak, true and particularly noticeable in his foreign policy statements, but I honestly believe that Perry or Newt would do the job for us.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Rick, Oups, Perry?? Really? He was the laughing stock during the GOP primaries, even among conservatives who liked him, the man is just simply inarticulate, maybe he just can’t help it, not everybody is glib and well spoken, but it would have hurt him badly definitively in the end. you really think he could have debated O? Seriously, you usually make valid points, though I disagree with some of them, but I do not see intellectual dishonesty on your part, but rather passion in defending your opinions/ideas, which is fair deal. But Perry, seriously???

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

The ‘dixiecrat lie’, if we want to put it that way, is that masses of politicians in Congress migrated from the democratic party to the Republican Party during the Civil Rights Era. Today’s democratics, ashamed of their past marriage to the KKK, want us to believe that all those people changed their shingle to Republicans. That’s a load of bullcrap.

The dixiecrats mostly stayed with the democratic party after their movement fell apart, or retired. Only one member of Congress, Strom Thurmond, changed from the democratic party to the Republican Party as a result. If anyone tries to pass off the bullcrap about a mass migration, ask for names. You will only get one name because there only is one name.

The KKK is the legacy of the modern democratic party. They don’t need the KKK any longer because Planned Parenthood has been far more successful.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 10:39 PM

No. You just deal in vague generalities and scoff and wish for the worst because then it would give you something to talk about.

Your existence really is pointless, isn’t it? We’ll be here if you change your mind and want to do something rather than heckle.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Absolutely not. I stand on principle, and when I see a candidate that reflects that, I’ll be sure to let ya know, OK? Now you scold me for a pointless existence while all you’ve done for the past year is sit back and join in the MItt Parade and castigate anyone who dares suggest that it’s idiocy to think the guy was going tom win. In other words, you WASTED a year. Huh. Talk about “pointless”.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM

The numbers don’t equate = massive voter fraud

Amjean on November 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM

They ABSOLUTELY do. Take NV, for example. GOP candidates for Senate and House won, and yet, somehow, miraculously, same people then had a mental breakdown and decided that a D is the better choice for WH. Right…

Same crap happened in WI. And in Allen West’s precincts as we speak and recount takes place. In Phillie, entire precincts reported 99.9% voter turnout. In OH, 104 votes for D and just 3 for R. Odds wise, mathematically impossible. CANNOT HAPPEN. Any statistician will tell you that. The fix was in, all along.

Numbers actually prove massive fraud. Too bad that GOP leaders are more than fine with that and blame “stupid voters” instead. Asking a simple vote review and recount in some of these precincts, via court order, just as West did, obviously doesn’t fit their agenda.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Oh, come on, not you of all people. How many times did Romney flip flop? Of course he was obligated to say that during debates to appeal to MI voters. But he is on record for Chapter 11, all the way.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM

So now when Romney says something we interpret it as meaning something else, or that he had to say it for the audience, or the dog ate his homework?

The argument that he lies so often that we shouldn’t believe what he says about being for a government bailout is a little shaky.

“My own view, by the way, was that the auto companies needed to go through bankruptcy before government help. And frankly, that’s finally what the president did.” – Mitt Romney

He is claiming that what Obama did was his idea.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Still waiting to hear about what you did with your life. I earned what I get in my life. Every last penny. Want to keep making your self look more like the pathetic worthless human you are?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

It’s not circular. Romney’s so weak he couldn’t beat McCain, or even the Huckster, really…but yet four years later, BAZINGA!!! he’s the Unbeatable One.

ddrintn

As usual with you cultists, you have trouble with reality. No one nominated him because he was supposedly unbeatable. But then, I wouldn’t expect honesty from you anyway.

And just a reminder, he wasn’t my guy in the primary. They all sucked. But every one of them would have been better than Obama, and I would have voted for whoever ended up the nominee.

xblade on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Loolol :) . Except for Romney won MO, UT, and IN, all states that the above candidates are from. Your inellectual dishonesty is too funny.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:27 PM

OK, by the way, I’ll try ot be more intellectually honest and come up with a list of those that Mighty Mitt swept into office. Here goes:

1. ……………………………………………. Can’t think of any.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

OK, by the way, I’ll try ot be more intellectually honest and come up with a list of those that Mighty Mitt swept into office. Here goes:

1. ……………………………………………. Can’t think of any.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Obama

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

As usual with you cultists, you have trouble with reality. No one nominated him because he was supposedly unbeatable. But then, I wouldn’t expect honesty from you anyway..

xblade on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Really? So then, uh, why was he nominated? Because he so closely reflected the values of the average GOP voter? Because he had good hair? What?

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:44 PM

OK, by the way, I’ll try ot be more intellectually honest and come up with a list of those that Mighty Mitt swept into office. Here goes:

1. ……………………………………………. Can’t think of any.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Obama

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:42 PM

LOL, yeah, true.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM

No ideas on how to find The Great Conservative Candidate.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

You’ll never find your gold on a sandy beach
You’ll never drill for oil on a city street
I know you’re looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain’t no Coup de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box

I will add a few

You’ll never find a conservative candidate in the GOP
You’ll never find a honest man in the Teamsters Union

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Rick, Oups, Perry?? Really? He was the laughing stock during the GOP primaries, even among conservatives who liked him, the man is just simply inarticulate, maybe he just can’t help it, not everybody is glib and well spoken, but it would have hurt him badly definitively in the end. you really think he could have debated O? Seriously, you usually make valid points, though I disagree with some of them, but I do not see intellectual dishonesty on your part, but rather passion in defending your opinions/ideas, which is fair deal. But Perry, seriously???

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Sure. Perry seems to be more articulate than Bush Jr. By far. Yes, he had that senior moment, we all do, actually. He wasn’t my number 1 choice, but strong second right after I heard Cain’s thoughts on foreign policy (in response to a question describing a particular situation, “I would assemble a team of experts to get an answer”. Oh, OK, the question was what YOU do in this case). Bachmann and Cain were kissing Romney’s azz from the get go, most likely angling for spots in his admin, but that shows they are followers and not leaders. At least to me. Santorum was weak on a number of issues, mainly on fiscal. But he’d still do, I think, in general.

Perry wasn’t that bad of a choice. IMO.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM

As usual with you cultists, you have trouble with reality. No one nominated him because he was supposedly unbeatable. But then, I wouldn’t expect honesty from you anyway..

xblade on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Obama was eminently beatable. Romney failed. He was not even remotely electable. He was thrust on us as the most electable. We were told that a ham sandwich could beat Obama. Romney is worse than a year old ham sandwich!

Now please explain to me. What is the point in defending a loser like Romney? Obviously you are not thinking he has any political career left are you? Are you?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Ohio rural areas were down 1 to 10%. Ouch!

MrX on November 8, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Look at this peculiarity:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Good stuff. I’d like to see a statistical analysis done on the 2012 results including a comparison to 2004 and 2008 to highlight where changes in turnout and other parameters might be statistically impossible to a decent confidence like 95%.

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 10:50 PM

So what you are actually saying is that Romney voters are Racists in Utah… Good to know. The people you attract tell much about you.
Mr Electable!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM

aww, is that you Chris Matthews?? as demented as him, for sure, but then what’s new. who said that Romney’s voters in UT are racists, to be honest I can’t pretend I have access to their heads or that can read their minds and understand their motives, like you seem to. Romney’s supporters didn’t vote for Mourdock or that nut job Akin either, in IN and MO, and last time I checked they are both as white (and nuts) like you.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Boomer_Sooner on November 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM

You must not pay a great deal of attention to what’s going on in this country – and to who Barack Obama is.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 10:53 PM

anybody know of any blogs or websites that are documenting allegations of voter fraud?

akaniku on November 8, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Ohio rural areas were down 1 to 10%. Ouch!

MrX on November 8, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Sure. With lines, reported at the time al over media, over an hour and a half long. Even Gore complained on TV.

How quickly we forget. No wonder liberals take us for fools. Because you know what, we are!

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:54 PM

Look at this peculiarity:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

onlineanalyst on November 8, 2012 at 10:34 PM

That’s amazing! Lighting struck twice – in two different places:

Fraud in PA: Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors were Removed; Turnout Somehow “30%” Above Gov’t Numbers
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

Across Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly (and illegally) removed from polling locations. Coincidentally (or not), Mr. Obama received “astronomical” numbers in those very same regions, including locations where he received “over 99%” of the vote.

Chip on November 8, 2012 at 10:55 PM

aww, is that you Chris Matthews?? as demented as him, for sure, but then what’s new. who said that Romney’s voters in UT are racists, to be honest I can’t pretend I have access to their heads or that can read their minds and understand their motives, like you seem to. Romney’s supporters didn’t vote for Mourdock or that nut job Akin either, in IN and MO, and last time I checked they are both as white (and nuts) like you.

jimver on November 8, 2012 at 10:52 PM

They voted for Romney but did not vote for Mia Love. Romney even increased his numbers significantly in Utah, but somehow… I cannot think of any other reason. Can you?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Chip on November 8, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Hey, I keep pointing this crap out for 2 days, no one is listening.

GOP should have gone after. Their inaction shows they are more than fine with the election results.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:58 PM

The future of the GOP isn’t in “conservative” or “moderate” labels, it needs to become the “libertarian” party (no not actually the Libertarian with a capital L). We need to be talking about the Constitution, the rule of law, and balanced budgets. The social issues should be dealt with on a “human rights” agenda and less of an abortion, gay marriage and anesty specific topics.

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 10:59 PM

America gets the government they deserve. Those that didn’t vote, you own this too.

Rancher on November 8, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Absolutely not. I stand on principle, and when I see a candidate that reflects that, I’ll be sure to let ya know, OK? Now you scold me for a pointless existence while all you’ve done for the past year is sit back and join in the MItt Parade and castigate anyone who dares suggest that it’s idiocy to think the guy was going tom win. In other words, you WASTED a year. Huh. Talk about “pointless”.

ddrintn on November 8, 2012 at 10:40 PM

So in other words you’re waiting for a unicorn, but will do absolutely nothing until said unicorn presents itself.

And then b!tch incessantly if it doesn’t.

Oooooookay.

Bless your heart, there you go again. I just sat back and joined the Mitt parade? You really can’t keep track of who is who, can you?

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:59 PM

This wasn’t an election, this was fraud. I don’t buy GOP loss in MO, I don’t buy GOP loss in NV (being local here and seeing all the numbers for weeks before), I don’t buy OH, PA and a few other states.

MASSIVE FRAUD. Nothing but. On a scale only exceeded in Russia this year in supposed Putin’s “win”.

Same play book, same results: Make sure it is YOUR people who count the votes. Or shred some.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

And the results of the voters staying home in the last two days

Westinghouse Anniston, 50 employees.
Research in Motion Ltd., , laid off about 200 people
Lightyear Network Solutions – one dozen employees
The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers
Hawker Beechcraft -240 employees will lose their jobs
Boeing Co.BA + 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security
CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees.
US Cellular -980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area,
Momentive Performance Materials -150 workers
Rocketdyne – 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne,
Brake Parts -lay off 75 workers starting in late December…
Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) reducing headcount by 3,000
Husqvarna AB (HUSQB will cut about 600 jobs
The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care 40 employees next year
Bristol-Myers Squibb almost 480 layoffs.
Trumbull printer- and Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135

• Darden Restaurants -is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.

United Blood Services Gulf – will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce

Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
Movie Scene Milford Location NH
Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
Kmart in Homer Glen
Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost
Merry Christmas from the families that are now going to have a wonderful holiday season.

stormridercx4 on November 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

History. Right in front of their faces. Unable to face it.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Well, there was a Democrat (LBJ) in the White House when the Civil Rights Act was passed – even though Republicans in Congress all voted for it and Democrat Senators filibustered it.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Hey, I keep pointing this crap out for 2 days, no one is listening.

GOP should have gone after. Their inaction shows they are more than fine with the election results.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I am paying attention, Comrade. Looks like we now have some solid proof.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

stormridercx4 on November 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Well, at least we have hope that the 10 million missing votes will eventually turn up and show Romney was able to win.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

No ideas on how to find The Great Conservative Candidate.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM

You’ll never find your gold on a sandy beach
You’ll never drill for oil on a city street
I know you’re looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain’t no Coup de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box

I will add a few

You’ll never find a conservative candidate in the GOP
You’ll never find a honest man in the Teamsters Union

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Hehehehehe.

Which is why I said in a lot of posts that one of the things we had to do if Romney won (or I guess if he didn’t) was to clean up the GOP and/or start a viable third party.

Because I was so happy with Romney.

There aren’t many, are there? I can’t even really think of one.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

I cannot think of any other reason. Can you?

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 10:57 PM

FRAUD? GOP did their best to get rid of Allen West in FL, same crap in UT now. Can’t have attractive, articulate and well educated PATRIOTS in GOP these days. Pence left Congress, once deMint does save for Allen West I can’t name anyone else. Still not sure about Rand Paul.

The list is short and kept short.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM

akaniku on November 8, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I don’t know but I thought this was interesting.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Well, there was a Democrat (LBJ) in the White House when the Civil Rights Act was passed – even though Republicans in Congress all voted for it and Democrat Senators filibustered it.

TarheelBen on November 8, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Including Al Gore Sr., if I remember correctly. He didn’t change parties did he?

slickwillie2001 on November 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Yes, don’t forget Nevada 2010 was the beta test… Reid kept his Senate Seat Senate while his son gets crushed in the Governor race… Never did make sense… pacify the GOP by giving them enough victories that they won’t complain…

Plus with the massive expansion of the baseline budget in 2009 (coupled with mechanisms that create automatic annual increases) the House and the State Governors are no longer meaningful to Democrat Rule as budgets haven’t/won’t be passed again for years and everything else can be done via EO’s

phreshone on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

FRAUD? GOP did their best to get rid of Allen West in FL, same crap in UT now. Can’t have attractive, articulate and well educated PATRIOTS in GOP these days. Pence left Congress, once deMint does save for Allen West I can’t name anyone else. Still not sure about Rand Paul.

The list is short and kept short.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I was sorta trolling the guy.
Losing presidential candidates drag others down. It does not matter if they win the state. History shows it. I was wondering how committed he was to his idea of how immeasurably awesome Romney is, may he have a trillion members living with him on his god planet!

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I am paying attention, Comrade. Looks like we now have some solid proof.

JPeterman on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Question is not what you and I can do about it, but what Boehner and McConnell will do? They are obviously fine with the results.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

The thing I find odd is the Romney?Ryan total votes is below McCain/Palin…….how can that be?

Tater Salad on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

There aren’t many, are there? I can’t even really think of one.

kim roy on November 8, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Sadly no, there aren’t. I don’t think the GOP much likes conservatives.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Yes, don’t forget Nevada 2010 was the beta test… Reid kept his Senate Seat Senate while his son gets crushed in the Governor race… Never did make sense… pacify the GOP by giving them enough victories that they won’t complain…

Plus with the massive expansion of the baseline budget in 2009 (coupled with mechanisms that create automatic annual increases) the House and the State Governors are no longer meaningful to Democrat Rule as budgets haven’t/won’t be passed again for years and everything else can be done via EO’s

phreshone on November 8, 2012 at 11:06 PM

You nailed it. Angle did not lose, she actually won. Too bad idiots in GOP claim she is a loone, idiot, whatever. SEIU runs the machines here in NV, I am sure they do so in most pro union states. I am in IT and all i can tell you is that you give me less than 1 minute with the database right after election and I can make millions of votes vanish, with one click of a button.

NV 2010 was a dry run, you’re right. And they did all they can here 2 days ago, came close to eliminating Heller, but I think they knew that Heller will fight back, a la West. Romney and GOP wouldn’t.

I keep saying that it is not the “loss” that is at stake here, but with GOP unwilling to challenge the results it shows the liberals that their model works well and can be used in the future.

riddick on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I don’t know but I thought this was interesting.

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html

Update: Obama also won 99.8% of the vote in 44 Cleveland districts.

Cindy Munford on November 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Even Hugo Chavez was modest enough to only win 54 percent of the vote.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Sadly no, there aren’t. I don’t think the GOP much likes conservatives.

sharrukin on November 8, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Newt, there is Newt. Believe it or not, he was more conservative than Reagan’s policies. Not that he necessarily was more conservative than Reagan was. Reagan was limited by the possible.

astonerii on November 8, 2012 at 11:12 PM

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